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BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:14 am

I know BA used to fly to CLT back in the 90s. Wondering if there's a possibility that they would return? After the US AA merger in 2013, I remember that the BA CEO stated that the airline would look to expand operations into some US strongholds. Given the connecting opportunities that CLT has, in addition to the new terminal expansions and growing O&D market, is there a possibility that BA will return to CLT within the next few years? If not, do you expect to see any other European or international carriers give it a shot?
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:26 am

Not BA, but Norwegian is a strong possibility.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:35 am

I think BA will return.

Charlotte has grown since the 90s, is a key AA hub and BA reintroducing their brand and a BA option into this hub alongside AA makes sense, especially when you consider this is the only one of AA’s international hubs they don’t fly to.

Further, Charlotte provides different connecting opportunities than other AA hubs and also has a significant catchment area for both business and leisure.

However I suspect its launch is not a priority atm as BA are keen to use any new aircraft in new markets, as recent launches have shown. I think it’ll happen in the 2020s though.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:58 am

This has been discussed many times. Tbh, I'm surprised BA have not jumped on the bandwagon yet, especially, as I think LHR-CLT is just daily service now instead of twice daily?
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:05 am

Unlikely. AA already flies twice daily to LHR. And with the JV agreement, there would be no benefit to BA doing this.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:37 pm

BA started flights to CLT in the early 1990's because it started a marketing and JV with USAir, where some USAIr 767-200ERs were repainted into BA's livery. The end of Bermuda II, making it possible for CLT to be served nonstop from LHR, means it is served well as is, and now since the merger, AA flies it under the merged brand. If there is demand/need for more frequency, then maybe BA would return but it seems cheaper and more cost effective to just hand that over to AA as they have the hub and the staff there rather than have BA staff for 1 daily flight.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:44 pm

1) BA’s presence is not needed to due to AA and their JV.
2) Most of BA’s aircraft are too premium heavy for CLT, AA’s exUS A330s are better suited for the market.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:13 pm

Polot wrote:
1) BA’s presence is not needed to due to AA and their JV.
2) Most of BA’s aircraft are too premium heavy for CLT, AA’s exUS A330s are better suited for the market.


Darn I was hoping to see a 777 or 747 coming to CLT. Oh well... I'll continue to dream..
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:16 pm

BA are in the JV and costs them nothing for AA to fly this for them currently.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:36 pm

GatorClark wrote:
Polot wrote:
1) BA’s presence is not needed to due to AA and their JV.
2) Most of BA’s aircraft are too premium heavy for CLT, AA’s exUS A330s are better suited for the market.


Darn I was hoping to see a 777 or 747 coming to CLT. Oh well... I'll continue to dream..


Yeah although I'm not a dreamer myself I suggest you continue dreaming as that's the only time your see a BA B744 at Charlotte unless of course one arrives on a diversion :-)

People underestimate the power of the JV as AA don't even operate BOS to LHR as that's left to BA and Charlotte is left for AA it's all neutral metal at the end of the day.
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:14 pm

why add even more capacity? Just codeshare with their boo AA !
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:55 pm

LHR-CLT makes no sense with the JV. I think it would make a lot more sense for BA to take over the LHR-RDU route from AA. This is a tongue in cheek comment but that AA 772 looks very out of place at RDU. And yes i understand that AA has been flying that route for a very long time.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:11 pm

And don't you think a British Airways Boeing 777 would look even more out of place at RDU :-)

AA have been flying RDU LGW/LHR daily for over twenty five years so why would they bother letting British Airways take over the route what would be the point of that!
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:38 pm

flydude380 wrote:
This has been discussed many times. Tbh, I'm surprised BA have not jumped on the bandwagon yet, especially, as I think LHR-CLT is just daily service now instead of twice daily?


The service is still twice daily. The last two weeks of January and first of February only see one a day for whatever reason but after that twice daily is a normal service for the rest of the year on the A330-300
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:48 pm

This has been discussed many times.

BA served the city between 1994 and 2002. Between 1994 and 1998, the flights were operated in coperation with US, using a US 762 painted in BA colors, with US crews in full BA uniforms, delivering BA onboard service. From 1998 to October 2001, BA operated the flight independently of US, who started their own CLT-LGW flight when they receieved their new A333s in 2000. The BA flight alternated between a 777 and a 763.

After October 2001, the flight operated CLT-BWI-LHR. The CLT-BWI tag was eliminated in October 2002.
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:50 pm

GatorClark wrote:
Polot wrote:
1) BA’s presence is not needed to due to AA and their JV.
2) Most of BA’s aircraft are too premium heavy for CLT, AA’s exUS A330s are better suited for the market.


Darn I was hoping to see a 777 or 747 coming to CLT. Oh well... I'll continue to dream..


I wouldn't be surprised to see AA switch to 777 as they work through crossing the fleet between the two legacy carriers. I say this only because there might be some advantages from a cost perspective to making LHR a 777 only market. Since BA doesn't fly 330's and therefore can't "lend AA parts or anything on maintenance issues, it might help AA to not have to inventory parts, etc. for the 330s. It might also help scheduling as you can send a 777 from a legacy AA hub to a legacy US hub (CLT/PHL) to make the flying more efficient.

The other problem might simply be space at CLT for having BA here. While the JV does make it neutral, maybe there's some benefit to BA flying the route as well as AA as they do in some markets. The problem is there's just limited gate space in CLT. In announcing the new routes from CLT, AA's rep noted that int'l growth won't happen until more gates are available.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:50 pm

Andy33 wrote:
Cunard wrote:
And don't you think a British Airways Boeing 777 would look even more out of place at RDU :-)

AA have been flying RDU LGW/LHR daily for over twenty five years so why would they bother letting British Airways take over the route what would be the point of that!


There's a very strong argument along the lines of "it ain't broke and doesn't need fixing"
Since AA no longer has a crew or mx base in RDU, planes and crews circulate through LHR, and this may be slightly more expensive than operating directly from a hub, but it is doubtful if any saving is worth the disruption and potential loss of business contracts.

I thought AA still had an FA base at RDU, no?
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:53 pm

Cunard wrote:
And don't you think a British Airways Boeing 777 would look even more out of place at RDU :-)

AA have been flying RDU LGW/LHR daily for over twenty five years so why would they bother letting British Airways take over the route what would be the point of that!


There's a very strong argument along the lines of "it ain't broke and doesn't need fixing"
Since AA no longer has a crew or mx base in RDU, planes and crews circulate through LHR, and this may be slightly more expensive than operating directly from a hub, but it is doubtful if any saving is worth the disruption and potential loss of business contracts.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:04 pm

BA does serve LHR-CLT now, through their joint venture with AA and IB. BA metal could go on the route, whenever it is convenient. CLT is one of the main hubs of the BA/AA/IB trans Atlantic joint venture. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:46 pm

I expect BA to add CLT at some point. I was under the impression AA was going to pick up 5 or 6 gates on the A concourse once A north opens I’m May of this year....if all goes as planned. I say that because I was under the impression that CLT built the A/B connector with the thought of AA getting some gates on the A concourse.

5 or 6 gates would really help AA next summer if this comes to fruition.
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:59 pm

Flighty wrote:
BA does serve LHR-CLT now, through their joint venture with AA and IB. BA metal could go on the route, whenever it is convenient. CLT is one of the main hubs of the BA/AA/IB trans Atlantic joint venture. Please correct me if I am wrong.


Correct. All AA hubs are major hubs for the AA/BA/IB/AY JV. Now that being said, the JV as a whole would need to determine that there would be benefit to swap a flight or add a flight on BA metal. All flights over the atlantic are metal neutral
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:04 pm

They’re “metal neutral” but people have a preference. I prefer to avoid the intrusive and pointless security theatre from G4S whenever I fly a US airline transatlantic. If there was a case for BA deploying a B788 then it would be a good thing for the market. The reason AA dropped BOS-LHR was the hard product wasn’t up to spec once the market showed a preference for BA over the AA B757......
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:40 pm

flydude380 wrote:
This has been discussed many times. Tbh, I'm surprised BA have not jumped on the bandwagon yet, especially, as I think LHR-CLT is just daily service now instead of twice daily?


No it used to be once daily but is now twice daily
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:20 pm

Somewhat off topic-why does the AF/KL/DL JV seem to “flip-flop” routes between carriers more so than the AA/BA/AY/IB JV?
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:24 pm

skipness1E wrote:
They’re “metal neutral” but people have a preference. I prefer to avoid the intrusive and pointless security theatre from G4S whenever I fly a US airline transatlantic. If there was a case for BA deploying a B788 then it would be a good thing for the market. The reason AA dropped BOS-LHR was the hard product wasn’t up to spec once the market showed a preference for BA over the AA B757......


Exactly. As a CLT spotter and somebody who frequently flies out of CLT, I would love to have a better product. The A330 is a beautiful aircraft, but unfortunately the 330s in AAs fleet just feel so dated to fly on. Additionally, although I have not flown BA, I have heard universally that their long haul product is superior to that of AA or any of the US3 for that matter.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:28 pm

ayoungblood2 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
They’re “metal neutral” but people have a preference. I prefer to avoid the intrusive and pointless security theatre from G4S whenever I fly a US airline transatlantic. If there was a case for BA deploying a B788 then it would be a good thing for the market. The reason AA dropped BOS-LHR was the hard product wasn’t up to spec once the market showed a preference for BA over the AA B757......


Exactly. As a CLT spotter and somebody who frequently flies out of CLT, I would love to have a better product. The A330 is a beautiful aircraft, but unfortunately the 330s in AAs fleet just feel so dated to fly on. Additionally, although I have not flown BA, I have heard universally that their long haul product is superior to that of AA or any of the US3 for that matter.


Unfortunately you have been misinformed. The new products from all the US3 eclipse BA quite handily. AA have already refitted all their TATL fleet with the new products.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:49 pm

Andy33 wrote:
Cunard wrote:
And don't you think a British Airways Boeing 777 would look even more out of place at RDU :-)

AA have been flying RDU LGW/LHR daily for over twenty five years so why would they bother letting British Airways take over the route what would be the point of that!


There's a very strong argument along the lines of "it ain't broke and doesn't need fixing"
Since AA no longer has a crew or mx base in RDU, planes and crews circulate through LHR, and this may be slightly more expensive than operating directly from a hub, but it is doubtful if any saving is worth the disruption and potential loss of business contracts.


I don’t know about the pilots but RDU is a flight attendant base.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:32 am

Why does AA serve RDU-LHR? What market does it serve? I know it was operated before the merger, but it's weird to see a non-AA hub have a flight to LHR.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:35 am

neomax wrote:
Not BA, but Norwegian is a strong possibility.


There are bigger markets that they would enter first before CLT.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:37 am

Why would BA come to CLT when AA already covers the segment well? It's not like Charlotte is a huge market or anything where a frequency needs to be added. There are other markets that would make much more sense to add or upgauge frequency.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:47 am

NichCage wrote:
Why does AA serve RDU-LHR? What market does it serve? I know it was operated before the merger, but it's weird to see a non-AA hub have a flight to LHR.


It was initially subsidized by some of the pharma companies in the Research Triangle and started at a time when RDU was still something of a focus city for them.

ADrum23 wrote:
Why would BA come to CLT when AA already covers the segment well? It's not like Charlotte is a huge market or anything where a frequency needs to be added. There are other markets that would make much more sense to add or upgauge frequency.


BA also doesn't have many spare planes to launch new routes. The only thing they have that would even be appropriate to the market is a 788. Everything else is too premium-heavy.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:52 am

TWFlyGuy wrote:
GatorClark wrote:
Polot wrote:
1) BA’s presence is not needed to due to AA and their JV.
2) Most of BA’s aircraft are too premium heavy for CLT, AA’s exUS A330s are better suited for the market.


Darn I was hoping to see a 777 or 747 coming to CLT. Oh well... I'll continue to dream..


I wouldn't be surprised to see AA switch to 777 as they work through crossing the fleet between the two legacy carriers. I say this only because there might be some advantages from a cost perspective to making LHR a 777 only market. Since BA doesn't fly 330's and therefore can't "lend AA parts or anything on maintenance issues, it might help AA to not have to inventory parts, etc. for the 330s. It might also help scheduling as you can send a 777 from a legacy AA hub to a legacy US hub (CLT/PHL) to make the flying more efficient.

The other problem might simply be space at CLT for having BA here. While the JV does make it neutral, maybe there's some benefit to BA flying the route as well as AA as they do in some markets. The problem is there's just limited gate space in CLT. In announcing the new routes from CLT, AA's rep noted that int'l growth won't happen until more gates are available.

...which happens this year right? A-North adds enough to move Delta and United our of A, right?
Armodeen wrote:
ayoungblood2 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
They’re “metal neutral” but people have a preference. I prefer to avoid the intrusive and pointless security theatre from G4S whenever I fly a US airline transatlantic. If there was a case for BA deploying a B788 then it would be a good thing for the market. The reason AA dropped BOS-LHR was the hard product wasn’t up to spec once the market showed a preference for BA over the AA B757......


Exactly. As a CLT spotter and somebody who frequently flies out of CLT, I would love to have a better product. The A330 is a beautiful aircraft, but unfortunately the 330s in AAs fleet just feel so dated to fly on. Additionally, although I have not flown BA, I have heard universally that their long haul product is superior to that of AA or any of the US3 for that matter.


Unfortunately you have been misinformed. The new products from all the US3 eclipse BA quite handily. AA have already refitted all their TATL fleet with the new products.

Yhe 333 have been kind of overlooked. The seats were far above L-AA quality (actually US was one of if not the first to get reversed herringbone seats) so they have survived. Kind of a very bare bones, 2005 feeling 77W seat.
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:15 am

What is up with the CLT "crowd" on this forum? It has officially replaced the PDX crowd! It seems that there is a real push on this forum for everything CLT. I wonder when they are going to announce CLT-PER?
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:37 am

ADrum23 wrote:
Why would BA come to CLT when AA already covers the segment well? It's not like Charlotte is a huge market or anything where a frequency needs to be added. There are other markets that would make much more sense to add or upgauge frequency.


Charlotte is one the fastest growing markets in the country and is the 17th largest city in the US it definitely is a pretty big market I could see BA entering sometime in the 2020s as CLT and the city expand.
TWFlyGuy wrote:
GatorClark wrote:
Polot wrote:
1) BA’s presence is not needed to due to AA and their JV.

2) Most of BA’s aircraft are too premium heavy for CLT, AA’s exUS A330s are better suited for the market.


Darn I was hoping to see a 777 or 747 coming to CLT. Oh well... I'll continue to dream..


I wouldn't be surprised to see AA switch to 777 as they work through crossing the fleet between the two legacy carriers. I say this only because there might be some advantages from a cost perspective to making LHR a 777 only market. Since BA doesn't fly 330's and therefore can't "lend AA parts or anything on maintenance issues, it might help AA to not have to inventory parts, etc. for the 330s. It might also help scheduling as you can send a 777 from a legacy AA hub to a legacy US hub (CLT/PHL) to make the flying more efficient.

The other problem might simply be space at CLT for having BA here. While the JV does make it neutral, maybe there's some benefit to BA flying the route as well as AA as they do in some markets. The problem is there's just limited gate space in CLT. In announcing the new routes from CLT, AA's rep noted that int'l growth won't happen until more gates are available.


With A North opening in a few months and another 38 gates to be added in total over the next 10 years by the time BA would likely enter the market gate space would be most likely available.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:54 am

tom02 wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
Why would BA come to CLT when AA already covers the segment well? It's not like Charlotte is a huge market or anything where a frequency needs to be added. There are other markets that would make much more sense to add or upgauge frequency.


Charlotte is one the fastest growing markets in the country and is the 17th largest city in the US it definitely is a pretty big market I could see BA entering sometime in the 2020s as CLT and the city expand.
TWFlyGuy wrote:
GatorClark wrote:

Darn I was hoping to see a 777 or 747 coming to CLT. Oh well... I'll continue to dream..


I wouldn't be surprised to see AA switch to 777 as they work through crossing the fleet between the two legacy carriers. I say this only because there might be some advantages from a cost perspective to making LHR a 777 only market. Since BA doesn't fly 330's and therefore can't "lend AA parts or anything on maintenance issues, it might help AA to not have to inventory parts, etc. for the 330s. It might also help scheduling as you can send a 777 from a legacy AA hub to a legacy US hub (CLT/PHL) to make the flying more efficient.

The other problem might simply be space at CLT for having BA here. While the JV does make it neutral, maybe there's some benefit to BA flying the route as well as AA as they do in some markets. The problem is there's just limited gate space in CLT. In announcing the new routes from CLT, AA's rep noted that int'l growth won't happen until more gates are available.


With A North opening in a few months and another 38 gates to be added in total over the next 10 years by the time BA would likely enter the market gate space would be most likely available.


North Carolina hasn't exactly earned a reputation as a place Brits and Europeans in general want to visit and contribute to financially.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:53 am

bagoldex wrote:
tom02 wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
Why would BA come to CLT when AA already covers the segment well? It's not like Charlotte is a huge market or anything where a frequency needs to be added. There are other markets that would make much more sense to add or upgauge frequency.


Charlotte is one the fastest growing markets in the country and is the 17th largest city in the US it definitely is a pretty big market I could see BA entering sometime in the 2020s as CLT and the city expand.
TWFlyGuy wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised to see AA switch to 777 as they work through crossing the fleet between the two legacy carriers. I say this only because there might be some advantages from a cost perspective to making LHR a 777 only market. Since BA doesn't fly 330's and therefore can't "lend AA parts or anything on maintenance issues, it might help AA to not have to inventory parts, etc. for the 330s. It might also help scheduling as you can send a 777 from a legacy AA hub to a legacy US hub (CLT/PHL) to make the flying more efficient.

The other problem might simply be space at CLT for having BA here. While the JV does make it neutral, maybe there's some benefit to BA flying the route as well as AA as they do in some markets. The problem is there's just limited gate space in CLT. In announcing the new routes from CLT, AA's rep noted that int'l growth won't happen until more gates are available.


With A North opening in a few months and another 38 gates to be added in total over the next 10 years by the time BA would likely enter the market gate space would be most likely available.


North Carolina hasn't exactly earned a reputation as a place Brits and Europeans in general want to visit and contribute to financially.


I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. With regards to tourism, I agree that there isn't too much in the Carolinas that attracts European tourists. However, Charlotte has a lot of businesses and is probably the second largest banking center in the US after NYC. Also, just an hour away in South Carolina BMW has a massive operation where all of the X3s, X4s, X5s, and X6s in the world are made.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:52 am

ayoungblood2 wrote:
bagoldex wrote:
tom02 wrote:

Charlotte is one the fastest growing markets in the country and is the 17th largest city in the US it definitely is a pretty big market I could see BA entering sometime in the 2020s as CLT and the city expand.


With A North opening in a few months and another 38 gates to be added in total over the next 10 years by the time BA would likely enter the market gate space would be most likely available.


North Carolina hasn't exactly earned a reputation as a place Brits and Europeans in general want to visit and contribute to financially.


I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. With regards to tourism, I agree that there isn't too much in the Carolinas that attracts European tourists. However, Charlotte has a lot of businesses and is probably the second largest banking center in the US after NYC. Also, just an hour away in South Carolina BMW has a massive operation where all of the X3s, X4s, X5s, and X6s in the world are made.


Oh really?

Another merger means Charlotte will soon be down to one bank headquarters

By Rick Rothacker

January 23, 2018 10:28 AM

An Ohio-based bank has agreed to buy Charlotte-based NewDominion Bank, a move that will leave the city with just one bank headquartered here after a spate of mergers…


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/b ... 11549.html

Although technically headquarters for B of A, the vast majority of their employees in Charlotte work in consumer and small/medium business banking, customer service and other operations and support functions. The divisions that drive the bulk of the bank's international travel - investment banking, commercial banking and asset management plus several of the senior executives themselves - are concentrated in New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston and Miami.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:35 am

airbazar wrote:
LHR-CLT makes no sense with the JV. I think it would make a lot more sense for BA to take over the LHR-RDU route from AA. This is a tongue in cheek comment but that AA 772 looks very out of place at RDU. And yes i understand that AA has been flying that route for a very long time.


If BA enters CLT, methinks AA will leave. Just like they did at BOS. With the JV, it should be seamless for one o the other airlines to keep the flight active.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:12 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
LHR-CLT makes no sense with the JV. I think it would make a lot more sense for BA to take over the LHR-RDU route from AA. This is a tongue in cheek comment but that AA 772 looks very out of place at RDU. And yes i understand that AA has been flying that route for a very long time.


If BA enters CLT, methinks AA will leave. Just like they did at BOS. With the JV, it should be seamless for one o the other airlines to keep the flight active.


BA doesn't have anything with such a low J to Y ratio as AA's A330s. If BA replaced AA's two daily flights with 788s they'd be adding 14 more J seats plus 50 premium economy seats for which there's likely not a market.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:34 pm

BA to CLT is fast approaching:

MIA - Asia
PHL - Asia
ORD - TLV (guilty)
DTW - Everywhere
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:06 am

TWFlyGuy wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see AA switch to 777 as they work through crossing the fleet between the two legacy carriers. I say this only because there might be some advantages from a cost perspective to making LHR a 777 only market. Since BA doesn't fly 330's and therefore can't "lend AA parts or anything on maintenance issues, it might help AA to not have to inventory parts, etc. for the 330s. It might also help scheduling as you can send a 777 from a legacy AA hub to a legacy US hub (CLT/PHL) to make the flying more efficient.


As far as pars are concerned, there are other A330s flying int LHR, I am sure there is a support network in place.

Next, If you replan PHL and CTL with 777s, what do you do with the A330s? Why up-gage (seats and range) if it is not needed?
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:47 am

FrmrKSEngr wrote:
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...Next, If you replan PHL and CTL with 777s, what do you do with the A330s? Why up-gage (seats and range) if it is not needed?

Use them for Latin America.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:13 am

The A333's are going in a few years max so why is that a point? AA/BA will have to figure something out and chances are it will be the AA low J 772's. The BA 772 and 744 provide too many premium seats and the 788 / 789 don't provide enough Y seats

Why are we talking about gate space? BA will use AA gates, just like they do in other airports like PHL.
 
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Re: BA to CLT?

Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:57 am

bagoldex wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
LHR-CLT makes no sense with the JV. I think it would make a lot more sense for BA to take over the LHR-RDU route from AA. This is a tongue in cheek comment but that AA 772 looks very out of place at RDU. And yes i understand that AA has been flying that route for a very long time.


If BA enters CLT, methinks AA will leave. Just like they did at BOS. With the JV, it should be seamless for one o the other airlines to keep the flight active.


BA doesn't have anything with such a low J to Y ratio as AA's A330s. If BA replaced AA's two daily flights with 788s they'd be adding 14 more J seats plus 50 premium economy seats for which there's likely not a market.


Um yeah, considering that it's a different airline! BA is a different airline from AA, so if BA is going to launch CLT, it's because they can offer something appealing to the customer that AA can't. A lot of people are missing this. Nobody gives a damn about metal neutral JV's if people don't even want to fly AA, because then BA is definitely not getting any of that money. Metal neutral JV's are only practical if a pax is flying at least one of the two airlines on a given route. It does absolutely nothing if the worse of the two is the only option available and causes people to book away, thus neither AA nor BA make that money. Conventional wisdom is to put the better product of the two on a route and use metal neutral JV's to split the profit with the less popular airline. Doing this the other way around typically does not yield great results. I'm not an expert by any means, but I think most people would prefer a BA 787 over an AA A330, which would benefit both AA and BA in a metal neutral JV more than it does right now.

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