American Airlines Network Thread 2018

gdg9 · Wed May 02, 2018 8:00 pm

Sure. Well thank you for sharing your thoughts. I agree on 5x being a lot in the winter, I think even in past summers 4x has been the most. I'd hate to see BA go (its an old BCAL route) and also find it hard to kind of believe overall, but with the JV anything is possible.

WaywardMemphian · Wed May 02, 2018 8:21 pm

gdg9 wrote:
Sure. Well thank you for sharing your thoughts. I agree on 5x being a lot in the winter, I think even in past summers 4x has been the most. I'd hate to see BA go (its an old BCAL route) and also find it hard to kind of believe overall, but with the JV anything is possible.

Fend off possible new entrant? Norwegian perhaps?

ADrum23 · Wed May 02, 2018 10:18 pm

BA isn't leaving DFW, they will continue to operate one of the frequencies. It wouldn't make sense for BA not to fly into the 4th largest market in the country.

AA321T · Wed May 02, 2018 10:58 pm

The AA flight from MIA will be a 772 and BA is staying in DFW.

redwingspilot · Wed May 02, 2018 11:15 pm

N62NA wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

Are there carriers other than VX/AS, F9, or U2 that AA could acquire used A319 planes from?

No, just those 3. No others exist. None.

Maybe - just MAYBE - the engines on the A319s of the 3 airlines he mentioned are the engines that AA prefers on their A319s? You probably should apologize for your post.

It's F9

Brickell305 · Sun May 13, 2018 11:54 am

AA321T wrote:
The AA flight from MIA will be a 772 and BA is staying in DFW.

Just looked up the schedule on aa.com (which was just updated). It actually appears as if the remaining AA flight to LHR from MIA will be on a 77W and that the remaining BA flight to DFW will be a 744.

jplatts · Sat May 19, 2018 7:53 pm

Will AA ever add service to HRL? HRL will be the only destination other than DAL and MDW that has service on WN but not on AA after AA starts service out of ECP on June 7th. While AA doesn't serve DAL or MDW, AA does have its main hub at DFW and a hub at ORD.

deltaffindfw · Sat May 19, 2018 8:18 pm

jplatts wrote:
Will AA ever add service to HRL? HRL will be the only destination other than DAL and MDW that has service on WN but not on AA after AA starts service out of ECP on June 7th. While AA doesn't serve DAL or MDW, AA does have its main hub at DFW and a hub at ORD.

AA flies to BRO and MFE. That pretty much covers the Valley.

DanDun · Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:56 pm

A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

TYSflyer · Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:27 pm

DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

Nice to see MIA-TYS return. It operated from 2010 to about the time American went into bankruptcy. At one point it was running twice daily. I’m assuming it’ll be operated with an ER4.

Aliqiout · Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:30 pm

DanDun wrote:
MIA-TYS starts 12/19

They tried this a few years ago, it was very short lived.

WaywardMemphian · Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:52 pm

Selfishly hoping for LAX/MEM from AA considering their growth in MEM. That would cover all their Hubs outside of JFK. I think American grew somewhere around 30% from MEM in 2017

FSDan · Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:54 pm

DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

About time AA flew DFW-BUF! I'm surprised MIA-BUF wasn't added as well. Will LGA-CHS/SAV be daily, or Saturday only?

SyracuseAvGeek · Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:37 pm

FSDan wrote:
DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

About time AA flew DFW-BUF! I'm surprised MIA-BUF wasn't added as well. Will LGA-CHS/SAV be daily, or Saturday only?

Wonder what aircraft DFW-BUF will be served with.

shaneam12 · Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:47 pm

DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

MIA-IAD will still be served. However, it will go down from 3x daily to 2x daily on the 738 and 319.

qcpilotxf · Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:09 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
BA isn't leaving DFW, they will continue to operate one of the frequencies. It wouldn't make sense for BA not to fly into the 4th largest market in the country.

While I do agree with you that BA won't be leaving DFW, they would leave DFW if for some reason it made sense for the joint venture to utilize a different aircraft that didn't happen to be a BA aircraft.

Rookie87 · Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:30 pm

qcpilotxf wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
BA isn't leaving DFW, they will continue to operate one of the frequencies. It wouldn't make sense for BA not to fly into the 4th largest market in the country.

While I do agree with you that BA won't be leaving DFW, they would leave DFW if for some reason it made sense for the joint venture to utilize a different aircraft that didn't happen to be a BA aircraft.

Like what exactly?

maximairways · Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:06 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
FSDan wrote:
DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

About time AA flew DFW-BUF! I'm surprised MIA-BUF wasn't added as well. Will LGA-CHS/SAV be daily, or Saturday only?

Wonder what aircraft DFW-BUF will be served with.

1x daily A319 according to someone in the DFW thread

MAH4546 · Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:16 pm

DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

To clarify, American Eagle will discontinue it's one daily Miami-Dulles flight, but American Airlines will continue it's two daily mainline flights.

washingtonflyer · Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:17 am

shaneam12 wrote:
DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

MIA-IAD will still be served. However, it will go down from 3x daily to 2x daily on the 738 and 319.

AA really does not like IAD. No PHX, no PHL, no NYC, and no ORD.

Brickell305 · Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:43 am

washingtonflyer wrote:
shaneam12 wrote:
DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

MIA-IAD will still be served. However, it will go down from 3x daily to 2x daily on the 738 and 319.

AA really does not like IAD. No PHX, no PHL, no NYC, and no ORD.

Don’t they fly all of those out of DCA?

chepos · Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:50 am

Brickell305 wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
shaneam12 wrote:

MIA-IAD will still be served. However, it will go down from 3x daily to 2x daily on the 738 and 319.

AA really does not like IAD. No PHX, no PHL, no NYC, and no ORD.

Don’t they fly all of those out of DCA?

Yep, and they seem to get a premium flying those routes to DCA over IAD. Hence why AA rather
Focus much of it’s flying to DCA, which they consider a focus city.

alasizon · Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:26 am

chepos wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:

AA really does not like IAD. No PHX, no PHL, no NYC, and no ORD.

Don’t they fly all of those out of DCA?

Yep, and they seem to get a premium flying those routes to DCA over IAD. Hence why AA rather
Focus much of it’s flying to DCA, which they consider a focus city.

PHX-IAD is long and thin when DCA and BWI cover the region just fine and it would cannibalize those two markets for AA to add it. NYC simply isn't worth the competition when the Shuttle is going to provide the best yields going hub to hub. Why PHL and ORD are not there, I couldn't tell you as even 2-3x Eagle flights would cover the demand.

soflaflyer · Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:56 am

chepos wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:

Yep, and they seem to get a premium flying those routes to DCA over IAD. Hence why AA rather
Focus much of it’s flying to DCA, which they consider a focus city.

DCA is considered a hub by AA
About American Airlines Group
American Airlines and American Eagle offer an average of nearly 6,700 flights per day to nearly 350 destinations in more than 50 countries. American has hubs in Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia, Phoenix and Washington, D.C.

Firephotog · Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:09 am

high but realistic expectations,

DFW-AMS (year round)
DFW-TPE
DFW-BER
DFW-FCO

LAX-TPE
LAX-BOI
LAX-GEG
LAX-MEL
LAX-ICN

PHX-LHR
PHX-CDG
PHX-FRA
PHX-NRT

jplatts · Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:41 am

soflaflyer wrote:
chepos wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:

DCA is considered a hub by AA
About American Airlines Group
American Airlines and American Eagle offer an average of nearly 6,700 flights per day to nearly 350 destinations in more than 50 countries. American has hubs in Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia, Phoenix and Washington, D.C.

I agree with your point since AA also does connect some passengers to other East Coast destinations through its DCA hub in addition to serving non-hub destinations nonstop from DCA.

miaami · Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:43 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

To clarify, American Eagle will discontinue it's one daily Miami-Dulles flight, but American Airlines will continue it's two daily mainline flights.

Thats not what an internal memo from the MIA station manager suggests.

"As we continue to position ourselves for long-term success, we also have made the decision to discontinue service to Washington Dulles (IAD). Our customer loyalty and capacity is stronger at Washington Reagan (DCA) where we have nine daily flights; we can better utilize the IAD aircraft elsewhere. We will still continue to be the leader in seat share between DCA/IAD and MIA/FLL when this change takes effect on December 19."

TYSflyer · Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:04 pm

FSDan wrote:
DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

About time AA flew DFW-BUF! I'm surprised MIA-BUF wasn't added as well. Will LGA-CHS/SAV be daily, or Saturday only?

In my opinion, the lack of DFW-BUF was one of the bigger holes in American’s domestic network. I always found it perplexing that BUF had flights to LAX, LAS and PHX (on other carriers granted) but lacked service to DFW. Anyway, nice to see that get filled.

miaami · Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:04 am

MIA-IAD is indeed cut 12/19/18.

Buffalomatt1027 · Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:26 am

FSDan wrote:
DanDun wrote:
A few Fall/winter additions were announced today

LGA-CHS starts 8/25
LGA-SAV starts 8/25
DFW-DRT starts 11/14
DFW-SRQ starts 12/19
DFW-BUF starts 12/19
DFW-ILM starts 12/19
MIA-TYS starts 12/19
MIA- GSP starts 12/19

MIA-IAD. Ends Dec 19

About time AA flew DFW-BUF! I'm surprised MIA-BUF wasn't added as well. Will LGA-CHS/SAV be daily, or Saturday only?

I was also shocked DFW - BUF took so long. They have been trying to get that route for awhile now.

Frontier has a winter route from BUF - MIA. AA did try the BUF - MIA last winter for a short period of time. But yeah, Canadians love flying to anywhere in Florida. It would probly do VERY WELL.

ibthebigd · Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:28 am

I would like to see LEX-MIA

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TYSflyer · Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:04 am

Looks like SAV/CHS-LGA is Sat/Sun only both on E175.

ADrum23 · Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:10 am

qcpilotxf wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
BA isn't leaving DFW, they will continue to operate one of the frequencies. It wouldn't make sense for BA not to fly into the 4th largest market in the country.

While I do agree with you that BA won't be leaving DFW, they would leave DFW if for some reason it made sense for the joint venture to utilize a different aircraft that didn't happen to be a BA aircraft.

And considering the size of the DFW market, it wouldn't make any sense for BA not to operate one flight on their own metal on the route. If DFW was a smaller market like CLT, I could understand why AA would want to operate all the flights on their own metal, but DFW is a large global metropolis. For onward connections, BA is better as you don't have to change terminals at LHR unlike AA.

washingtonflyer · Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:08 am

chepos wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:

AA really does not like IAD. No PHX, no PHL, no NYC, and no ORD.

Don’t they fly all of those out of DCA?

Yep, and they seem to get a premium flying those routes to DCA over IAD. Hence why AA rather
Focus much of it’s flying to DCA, which they consider a focus city.

This makes very little sense. DCA is a good 20 to 40 miles from the catchment are that IAD would serve. Areas like Reston, Great Falls, Leesburg, South Riding, Ashburn, etc. are all flush with cash and are much closer to IAD than DCA. This is akin to saying that AA shouldn't bother serving SNA because AA serves LAX.

ahj2000 · Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:21 am

washingtonflyer wrote:
chepos wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
Don’t they fly all of those out of DCA?

Yep, and they seem to get a premium flying those routes to DCA over IAD. Hence why AA rather
Focus much of it’s flying to DCA, which they consider a focus city.

This makes very little sense. DCA is a good 20 to 40 miles from the catchment are that IAD would serve. Areas like Reston, Great Falls, Leesburg, South Riding, Ashburn, etc. are all flush with cash and are much closer to IAD than DCA. This is akin to saying that AA shouldn't bother serving SNA because AA serves LAX.

I’m struggling with thhis one too. At dead least, there’s should be 2-3x on this route. Doesn't have to be mainline-175/CR7/9 would be fine. I know a few people in Northern VA, probably half of which are UA and half are former US/AA who prefer (and in one Guy’s case, increasingly) prefer IAD. I

redwingspilot · Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:54 pm

Just announced

This weekend, we will add six daily winter seasonal routes from MIA starting Dec. 19, including Houston, Texas (HOU); Grand Rapids, Michigan (GRR); Buffalo, New York (BUF); Providence, Rhode Island (PVD); Omaha, Nebraska (OMA); and Fort Myers, Florida (RSW). We are also adding new routes from CLT including daily service to Champaign/Urbana, Illinois (CMI), starting Dec. 19, and Saturday service to Ithaca, New York (ITH), starting Dec. 22. And, we’ll bring back Saturday service from LGA to Nassau, The Bahamas (NAS), starting Dec. 22. All routes will be available for sale beginning July 15.

Buffalomatt1027 · Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:57 am

redwingspilot wrote:
Just announced

This weekend, we will add six daily winter seasonal routes from MIA starting Dec. 19, including Houston, Texas (HOU); Grand Rapids, Michigan (GRR); Buffalo, New York (BUF); Providence, Rhode Island (PVD); Omaha, Nebraska (OMA); and Fort Myers, Florida (RSW). We are also adding new routes from CLT including daily service to Champaign/Urbana, Illinois (CMI), starting Dec. 19, and Saturday service to Ithaca, New York (ITH), starting Dec. 22. And, we’ll bring back Saturday service from LGA to Nassau, The Bahamas (NAS), starting Dec. 22. All routes will be available for sale beginning July 15.

BUF - MIA season worked out well for AA last year. F9 flights their seasonally too.

Canadians during the winter ALWAYS will fly anywhere in Florida. Its pretty crazy!

727LOVER · Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:35 am

How has CLT done since the merger? Grown or shrunk?

phluser · Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:21 am

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

Canadians during the winter ALWAYS will fly anywhere in Florida. Its pretty crazy!

You probably mean anywhere Orlando area and south. If you drive just 80 miles north from Orlando to Ocala, well, it's a very different place.

travaz · Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:48 am

They Like Arizona a lot too. Frequencies increase every winter

OKCDCA · Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:10 am

redwingspilot wrote:
Just announced

This weekend, we will add six daily winter seasonal routes from MIA starting Dec. 19, including Houston, Texas (HOU); Grand Rapids, Michigan (GRR); Buffalo, New York (BUF); Providence, Rhode Island (PVD); Omaha, Nebraska (OMA); and Fort Myers, Florida (RSW). We are also adding new routes from CLT including daily service to Champaign/Urbana, Illinois (CMI), starting Dec. 19, and Saturday service to Ithaca, New York (ITH), starting Dec. 22. And, we’ll bring back Saturday service from LGA to Nassau, The Bahamas (NAS), starting Dec. 22. All routes will be available for sale beginning July 15.

HOU-MIA seems interesting to me. I’m guessing they’re going after connecting traffic to the Carribean around the holidays. I figured when AA expanded at HOU it was going to be CLT or ORD to get business travelers.

Still waiting on COS-PHX...

MLIAA · Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:50 am

Still waiting on MLI-CLT, since apparently every other similar sized urban area in the Midwest has flights to CLT now.

BatonOps · Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:57 am

Glad to see the ITH-CLT route added. Hopefully it is successful enough to go daily.

PVD757 · Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:00 pm

PVD-MIA has been talked about for so long I can hardly believe they are actually going to add it! Any idea on flight schedule details?

UpNAWAy · Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:19 pm

727LOVER wrote:
How has CLT done since the merger? Grown or shrunk?

Up about 200 flights a month from 2015. It will grow much more once additional gates become available.

usairways85 · Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:35 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
How has CLT done since the merger? Grown or shrunk?

Up about 200 flights a month from 2015. It will grow much more once additional gates become available.

Not sure about that. I don't have 2015 numbers, but as far back as 2012, US at CLT had ~631 daily flights. As of May '18 AA had 675.

freakyrat · Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:03 pm

usairways85 wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
How has CLT done since the merger? Grown or shrunk?

Up about 200 flights a month from 2015. It will grow much more once additional gates become available.

Not sure about that. I don't have 2015 numbers, but as far back as 2012, US at CLT had ~631 daily flights. As of May '18 AA had 675.

Added twice daily to SBN in June of this year. So thats 677 flights on AA and Eagle.

727LOVER · Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:45 pm

I was asking because we were told by EXPERTS on here that CLT would be shrunk/right-sized

UpNAWAy · Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:03 pm

I averaged mainline monthly departures for the year and subtracted, that was all I did. I didn't factor in Express which is where I think much of the recent growth has come from. But either way flying has increased in the last few years.

graham697 · Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:20 pm

I wish they would bring weekend service back on DCA-SBY during the summers. Call it the beach express or bay bridge buster.

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