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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:11 am

DEN to MSY? DEN to ATL????

Am I reading this wrong?
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:18 am

Midwestindy wrote:
spinkid wrote:
The lastest OAG has them dropping a bunch of flights. I imagine some were seasonal, but they seem like odd times of the season to end. Have they already announced new routes to cover the usage of these AC, or should we keep an eye out?

F9 ATL-DEN DEC 1.3>1.0[1.3]
F9 AUS-CMH JAN 0.3>0.0[0]
F9 AUS-MSY JAN 0.3>0.1[0.4]
F9 AUS-ONT JAN 0.3>0.1[0.4]
F9 AUS-RDU JAN 0.5>0.1[0.4] FEB 0.6>0.3[0.4]
*F9 AUS-SJC JAN 0.3>0.0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0.3]
*F9 BNA-TTN JAN 0.3>0.1[0] FEB 0.3>0[0]
F9 CHS-PHL JAN 0.3>0.1[0]
F9 CLT-PHL JAN 1.0>0.6[0.6]
*F9 CVG-SAT JAN 0.5>0.1[0] FEB 0.4>0[0] MAR 0.4>0[0] APR 0.4>0[0.3]
F9 DEN-GEG JAN 0.3>0.0[0]
F9 DEN-MSY DEC 0.9>0.7[1.0]
*F9 GSP-LAS JAN 0.3>0.1[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
*F9 GSP-MCO JAN 0.3>0.1[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
F9 IAH-RDU JAN 0.3>0.0[0]
F9 ISP-MCO DEC 1.4>1.1[2.0]
F9 LAS-MEM JAN 0.3>0.1[0.6]
F9 LAS-RDU JAN 1.0>0.6[1.0]
*F9 MCI-RDU JAN 0.3>0.1[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0.4]
F9 MCO-MSY JAN 0.7>0.1[1.0] FEB 0.7>0.4[1.0]
*F9 MCO-PIT JAN 0.3>0.0[0.4] FEB 0.3>0[0.4] MAR 0.3>0[0.4] APR 0.3>0[0.1]
F9 MCO-SAN DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.4[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.7[1.0]
F9 MSY-SAT JAN 0.4>0.1[0.6] FEB 0.4>0.2[0.6]
F9 ONT-SAT JAN 0.3>0.0[0.6]
*F9 PIT-SAN JAN 0.3>0.0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
*F9 RDU-SAT JAN 0.5>0.1[0] FEB 0.4>0[0] MAR 0.4>0[0] APR 0.4>0[0.2]
F9 SAN-SAT JAN 0.4>0.1[0.6] FEB 0.4>0.2[0.6]


I'd give it a 95% chance new routes get announced in the next 2-3 weeks


I was actually thinking about this today ..... F9 musical chairs airport wise.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:52 pm

Frontier has extended its schedule through August
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:34 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Frontier has extended its schedule through August


Looks like ORD-SYR got the axe.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:34 pm

Glad to see BMI (Bloomington/Normal) to DEN come back in the spring.

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:57 pm

Their online route map is a joke. Still doesn't show cities that they are now flying to (LFT), and it is such a jumble now anyway.
BOI ends today and resumes June 12, according to the extended schedule.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:29 pm

mtnwest1979 wrote:
Their online route map is a joke. Still doesn't show cities that they are now flying to (LFT), and it is such a jumble now anyway.
BOI ends today and resumes June 12, according to the extended schedule.


Feeling mutal in that. I went on there site today as well looking at there seasonal schedule and they are really lazy at updating them. See how long it takes them to make online changes
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:07 am

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:41 am

You wanna be in a city they serve! By the time the area passengers figure out where F9 goes, what days of the week and the routes starts to catch on and grow, Frontier is already ending it or making it seasonal. I have no idea how this works for them.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:54 am

lat41 wrote:
You wanna be in a city they serve! By the time the area passengers figure out where F9 goes, what days of the week and the routes starts to catch on and grow, Frontier is already ending it or making it seasonal. I have no idea how this works for them.

They actually keep a fair amount of the routes they open up for multiple seasons and increase frequency. Some examples can be seen in Tampa: MKE, BUF, PVD, MSP, MKE, AUS and ISP. But still they dropped STL, MCI, IND, BNA, CMH and COS.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:44 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
lat41 wrote:
You wanna be in a city they serve! By the time the area passengers figure out where F9 goes, what days of the week and the routes starts to catch on and grow, Frontier is already ending it or making it seasonal. I have no idea how this works for them.

They actually keep a fair amount of the routes they open up for multiple seasons and increase frequency. Some examples can be seen in Tampa: MKE, BUF, PVD, MSP, MKE, AUS and ISP. But still they dropped STL, MCI, IND, BNA, CMH and COS.


This is very true ..... BNIA / Buffalo only has daily DEN service from F9. The rest of the routes are are Orlando 5x week and rest are a couple days a week.


They also axed AUS and JAX. Both highly questionable routes from the beginning. F9 shouldve gone with route that is actually a NEED in Buffalo.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:37 pm

Does anyone have the TTN load factors from over the summer?
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:32 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Does anyone have the TTN load factors from over the summer?


Yeah

(LFs are one way only)
June:
TTN-ORD-95.6%
TTN-TPA-93.9%
TTN-CLT-93.8%
TTN-ATL-93.4%
TTN-RDU-92.3%
TTN-MCO-91.4%
TTN-CHS-87.8%
TTN-DTW-87.3%
TTN-JAX-86.5%
TTN-BNA-84.0%
TTN-PBI-83.4%
TTN-MSP-81.7%
TTN-MYR-75.6%

July:
TTN-ORD-98.0%
TTN-TPA-98.4%
TTN-CLT-96.9%
TTN-ATL-95.2%
TTN-RDU-94.4%
TTN-MCO-95.7%
TTN-CHS-70.9%
TTN-DTW-90.2%
TTN-JAX-93.4%
TTN-BNA-84.2%
TTN-PBI-93.5%
TTN-MSP-88.3%
TTN-MYR-69.5%
TTN-RSW-93.8%

August:
TTN-ORD-97.3%
TTN-TPA-97.5%
TTN-CLT-96.7%
TTN-ATL-94.0%
TTN-RDU-96.2%
TTN-MCO-97.9%
TTN-CHS-89.6%
TTN-DTW-95.4%
TTN-JAX-93.6%
TTN-BNA-89.1%
TTN-PBI-97.6%
TTN-MSP-94.3%
TTN-MYR-92.9%
TTN-RSW-96.3%

Based on these LFs, I think F9 will be very pleased
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:04 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Does anyone have the TTN load factors from over the summer?


Yeah

(LFs are one way only)
June:
TTN-ORD-95.6%
TTN-TPA-93.9%
TTN-CLT-93.8%
TTN-ATL-93.4%
TTN-RDU-92.3%
TTN-MCO-91.4%
TTN-CHS-87.8%
TTN-DTW-87.3%
TTN-JAX-86.5%
TTN-BNA-84.0%
TTN-PBI-83.4%
TTN-MSP-81.7%
TTN-MYR-75.6%

July:
TTN-ORD-98.0%
TTN-TPA-98.4%
TTN-CLT-96.9%
TTN-ATL-95.2%
TTN-RDU-94.4%
TTN-MCO-95.7%
TTN-CHS-70.9%
TTN-DTW-90.2%
TTN-JAX-93.4%
TTN-BNA-84.2%
TTN-PBI-93.5%
TTN-MSP-88.3%
TTN-MYR-69.5%
TTN-RSW-93.8%

August:
TTN-ORD-97.3%
TTN-TPA-97.5%
TTN-CLT-96.7%
TTN-ATL-94.0%
TTN-RDU-96.2%
TTN-MCO-97.9%
TTN-CHS-89.6%
TTN-DTW-95.4%
TTN-JAX-93.6%
TTN-BNA-89.1%
TTN-PBI-97.6%
TTN-MSP-94.3%
TTN-MYR-92.9%
TTN-RSW-96.3%

Based on these LFs, I think F9 will be very pleased


Very impressive. I figured it was strong (they’ve been there for what... 6 years now?) but I didn’t know it was this strong.

I’m surprised more competition isn’t in there yet.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:02 pm

F9 has loaded CVG-SFO effective June 2, 2019, 3x/wk A320.
A319/320/321/330, B717/727/737/757/767/777/787, CRJ-100/200/700/900, DC-9, ERJ-140/145/170/175, MD-80/90, S340
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:49 am

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/new ... -jose.html
"San Jose's role as connecting hub between Frontier and Volaris airlines emerges"
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:56 am

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/08/10/frontier-volaris-codeshare-sjc-san-jose.html
"San Jose's role as connecting hub between Frontier and Volaris airlines emerges"

Why post a paywall article? You can’t read it!
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:03 am

Details of how the code-sharing agreement between Frontier Airlines and Volaris airlines could create an international mini-hub at San Jose began to emerge today through a schedule filing by the two carriers.

Both airlines began selling connecting tickets on a total of 171 routes offering hundreds of origination and destination possibilities last week, and passengers can begin flying those trips by the end of this month.

“Our mission is to enable more people to fly and to fly more often," Barry Biffle, Frontier’s president and CEO, said in a press release. "The total of more than 200 codeshare routes makes that even easier on both sides of the border.”

Four Frontier routes between San Jose and Cincinnati, Denver, Las Vegas and Tulsa would be part of the agreement, as would Volaris routes between San Jose and Guadalajara, Morelia and Zacatecas in Mexico. In addition, Frontier routes between San Francisco and Denver and Las Vegas and Volaris routes between SFO and Guadalajara and Mexico City are also included.

As a practical matter, it’s clear from the filing that most of the connections between the airlines would occur at their main hubs of Denver and Guadalajara, and that’s the way airport officials here have treated it.

San Jose and other airports common to both airlines likely would be secondary options because they have fewer origination and destination points to connect and often have lower flight frequencies. For example, Frontier's Cincinnati-San Jose service operates only three days per week.

Only 976 international passengers connected at Mineta San Jose International in the past year, according to airport statistics, compared to the 937,000 international passengers it served. The airport terminals were designed primarily for origination and destination business.

San Jose airport spokeswoman Rosemary Barnes said international passengers on either Frontier or Volaris likely would have to clear customs here and then go through security again to board their connecting flights because of limited staffing for security re-checks in the airport’s U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility.

“As this comes to fruition and as it matures, we can certainly look to see how we can support (passengers’) needs for easier access,” Barnes said.

Neither airline has yet responded to a Silicon Valley Business Journal request for information on how they intend to deal with customs issues or whether flights will be rescheduled to make connections more convenient.

Frontier, based in Denver, operates 120 routes, and Mexico-based Volaris operates 51 routes that would be subject to the codeshare agreement intended to facilitate connections between the airlines, which was approved in early July by the U.S. Department of Transportation.

Under the agreement, each airline will operate its flights to some U.S. and Mexican airports that are served by both airlines under the branding of both airlines in schedule and reservations systems.

For example, a passenger wanting to fly from Cincinnati to Guadalajara would find a Frontier connection through San Jose using Frontier flight numbers on both segments and could buy the ticket from Frontier. However, the San Jose-Guadalajara portion of that trip would actually be aboard a Volaris flight.

What is unusual about the Frontier-Volaris codeshare is that they are both low-cost carriers and they are both owned by Indigo Partners, a Phoenix investment group controlled by former airline executive William Franke.

Codeshares are much more common among large legacy airlines with international routes such as the agreements between American and British Airways, Delta and KLM or United and Lufthansa.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:04 am

Atlwarrior wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/08/10/frontier-volaris-codeshare-sjc-san-jose.html
"San Jose's role as connecting hub between Frontier and Volaris airlines emerges"

Why post a paywall article? You can’t read it!


I wouldn't have posted it if I couldn't read it
If you have google chrome you can get around these paywalls, anyway here are the important pieces:

"Details of how the code-sharing agreement between Frontier Airlines and Volaris airlines could create an international mini-hub at San Jose began to emerge today through a schedule filing by the two carriers."

"Four Frontier routes between San Jose and Cincinnati, Denver, Las Vegas and Tulsa would be part of the agreement, as would Volaris routes between San Jose and Guadalajara, Morelia and Zacatecas in Mexico."

"San Jose and other airports common to both airlines likely would be secondary options because they have fewer origination and destination points to connect and often have lower flight frequencies."
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:44 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/08/10/frontier-volaris-codeshare-sjc-san-jose.html
"San Jose's role as connecting hub between Frontier and Volaris airlines emerges"


Wow, very interesting. :)
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:52 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/08/10/frontier-volaris-codeshare-sjc-san-jose.html
"San Jose's role as connecting hub between Frontier and Volaris airlines emerges"

Why post a paywall article? You can’t read it!


I wouldn't have posted it if I couldn't read it
If you have google chrome you can get around these paywalls, anyway here are the important pieces:

"Details of how the code-sharing agreement between Frontier Airlines and Volaris airlines could create an international mini-hub at San Jose began to emerge today through a schedule filing by the two carriers."

"Four Frontier routes between San Jose and Cincinnati, Denver, Las Vegas and Tulsa would be part of the agreement, as would Volaris routes between San Jose and Guadalajara, Morelia and Zacatecas in Mexico."

"San Jose and other airports common to both airlines likely would be secondary options because they have fewer origination and destination points to connect and often have lower flight frequencies."


Do they really expect someone to do a CVG/TUL-SJC-GDL routing? This is inane way of going IMO.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:50 am

mtnwest1979 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
Why post a paywall article? You can’t read it!


I wouldn't have posted it if I couldn't read it
If you have google chrome you can get around these paywalls, anyway here are the important pieces:

"Details of how the code-sharing agreement between Frontier Airlines and Volaris airlines could create an international mini-hub at San Jose began to emerge today through a schedule filing by the two carriers."

"Four Frontier routes between San Jose and Cincinnati, Denver, Las Vegas and Tulsa would be part of the agreement, as would Volaris routes between San Jose and Guadalajara, Morelia and Zacatecas in Mexico."

"San Jose and other airports common to both airlines likely would be secondary options because they have fewer origination and destination points to connect and often have lower flight frequencies."


Do they really expect someone to do a CVG/TUL-SJC-GDL routing? This is inane way of going IMO.


Is that any more crazy than a 14 hour layover in Denver?

Besides, low fare seekers might be a bit more flexible in search of cheap transportation.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:33 am

Appears that Frontier has added another 321-ceo to its' fleet as of the end of November.

Frontier 14
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:52 am

Frontier14 wrote:
Appears that Frontier has added another 321-ceo to its' fleet as of the end of November.

Frontier 14


One more coming:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/worldairli ... lines/amp/
 
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:33 am

Is AUS-PDX dropped?
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:33 am

FA9295 wrote:
Is AUS-PDX dropped?


Looks like it. I don’t see PDX-CLE either.
Next: AS PDX-PVR-PDX
 
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:41 pm

jbpdx wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Is AUS-PDX dropped?


Looks like it. I don’t see PDX-CLE either.

I think it was already announced some time ago that PDX/SEA-CLE were both getting dropped. The routes did quite well, but they really don't fit Frontier's business model at all.

Dropping PDX-AUS surprises me, as they originally increased it from 3x weekly to 4x weekly. Thought it was doing well.
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:15 pm

Why doesn’t CLE PDX/SEA fit the business model?? Yet F9 introducing CVG SFO— it can’t be the stage length…
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:21 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Why doesn’t CLE PDX/SEA fit the business model?? Yet F9 introducing CVG SFO— it can’t be the stage length…

It's not about flight length, it's about market demand.

Yes, Frontier has a lot of long and thin routes, but most of them are to and from vacation-oriented seasonal airports/markets (i.e. Florida airports).
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:35 pm

??? But you said in your post that the route did quite well?? So did it do quite well or is it long and thin?? I’m confused!
 
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:39 pm

ncflyer wrote:
??? But you said in your post that the route did quite well?? So did it do quite well or is it long and thin?? I’m confused!

By "quite well" I meant that those routes had stuck around for a good amount of time (albeit being only summer seasonal).

Apologies, I should have been more clear with that.
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:46 pm

Yes they did, particular SEA where F9 had a nonstop exclusive on the route for many years— longer than PDX, surprised that something changed in a good economy to lead to the cut. It is a great mystery to me why CLE doesn’t have reliable nonstop nonstop to SEA but that’s a post for the cleveland forum.

Meantime I’m looking forward to my $24 flight CLE to PBI…because surely a long flight with pricing like that won’t be around long.
 
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:52 pm

SEA-CLE 4x/week starting in May.
Next: AS PDX-PVR-PDX
 
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:57 pm

jbpdx wrote:
SEA-CLE 4x/week starting in May.

Hmm...

Maybe the PDX routes will be added in later on. That's what happened with jetblue on PDX-ANC/BOS. SEA-ANC was loaded into the schedule, but it took them a good three weeks later to load in PDX-ANC.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:11 pm

Interesting... many many years later...
From Chile to Romania only one ticket with Indigo Partners Airline

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:17 pm

Is it just me or if F9 down in a lot of stations this winter/spring year over year? PVD year over year is down considerably, my hope is they realize they tried a lot of stupid stuff ( MSY on Tuesdays and 9pm flights to AUS and launched first ever MYR service with a 321). They pulled ATL too early in my opinion, and dropped TPA entirely for the summer after running over 90% all summer long. (this may have been a game of chicken with G4 in which both blinked).

Seems like a lot of other are down too, Im wondering if they are holding capacity back until they have a better idea what fuel prices will be.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:24 pm

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jbpdx wrote:
SEA-CLE 4x/week starting in May.

Hmm...

Maybe the PDX routes will be added in later on. That's what happened with jetblue on PDX-ANC/BOS. SEA-ANC was loaded into the schedule, but it took them a good three weeks later to load in PDX-ANC.


If the past couple of years scheduling is any indication, you may well see a resumption of some PDX service announced the first quarter of 2019. I scratch my head wondering at times why they do things the way they do. It is just the way Frontier works these days.

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:36 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
Is it just me or if F9 down in a lot of stations this winter/spring year over year? PVD year over year is down considerably, my hope is they realize they tried a lot of stupid stuff ( MSY on Tuesdays and 9pm flights to AUS and launched first ever MYR service with a 321). They pulled ATL too early in my opinion, and dropped TPA entirely for the summer after running over 90% all summer long. (this may have been a game of chicken with G4 in which both blinked).

Seems like a lot of other are down too, Im wondering if they are holding capacity back until they have a better idea what fuel prices will be.

To me, it seems like they're going the "Sun Country" route (no pun intended), in which they're adding routes from smaller-stations to vacation-oriented destinations. MCO has a lot of odd routes from Frontier, such as BMI and GRR. Also routes like SLC-RSW/ATL as well are also odd ones.

Fuel prices may be a factor, but I think it's more-or-less of them just changing up their overall strategy/business model.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:38 pm

Frontier14 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
SEA-CLE 4x/week starting in May.

Hmm...

Maybe the PDX routes will be added in later on. That's what happened with jetblue on PDX-ANC/BOS. SEA-ANC was loaded into the schedule, but it took them a good three weeks later to load in PDX-ANC.


If the past couple of years scheduling is any indication, you may well see a resumption of some PDX service announced the first quarter of 2019. I scratch my head wondering at times why they do things the way they do. It is just the way Frontier works these days.

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No kidding! It seems like quite an odd strategy, but if it's working for them--then kudos to them...
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:44 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
Is it just me or if F9 down in a lot of stations this winter/spring year over year? PVD year over year is down considerably, my hope is they realize they tried a lot of stupid stuff ( MSY on Tuesdays and 9pm flights to AUS and launched first ever MYR service with a 321). They pulled ATL too early in my opinion, and dropped TPA entirely for the summer after running over 90% all summer long. (this may have been a game of chicken with G4 in which both blinked).

Seems like a lot of other are down too, Im wondering if they are holding capacity back until they have a better idea what fuel prices will be.



Maybe PVD can play a role in the WW transaction if it goes through?
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:14 am

What do you guy's think the weirdest non hub route F9 has is the most successful?
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