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F9LASDEN
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:39 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:
SYR-DEN/RDU/ORD all gone after November in the schedule update. They just started SYR-DEN/RDU and they haven't even started SYR-ORD and they've already been discontinued.


I never expected to see those past November however some or all of those will be back next summer I imagine. I was expecting to see them add more in Florida though like 2x Tampa Miami and fort Myers etc.

I’m wondering if this was an extension of the “no brainer” stuff while they continue to flush out the rest


I’m actually wondering the same thing. A few mainstay routes from past winters aren’t listed for this winter (DEN-SJD is the biggest missing route IMO), so I’m wondering if they haven’t fully loaded the schedule yet, or if another announcement will be made some time in the near future.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:38 pm

I haven't seen any new routes, but RDU-MBJ/PUJ/CUN were loaded into the schedule after being previously announced. MBJ and PUJ are 2x weekly, and CUN is 3x weekly. These three routes begin in mid-November.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:42 pm

717atOGG wrote:
I haven't seen any new routes, but RDU-MBJ/PUJ/CUN were loaded into the schedule after being previously announced. MBJ and PUJ are 2x weekly, and CUN is 3x weekly. These three routes begin in mid-November.


RDU-PHX/PBI/RSW were loaded as well.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:58 pm

With BUF, SYR, and ALB now all either active or announced for F9, any chance we see ROC on the horizon for them?
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:16 pm

ROCDLFAN wrote:
With BUF, SYR, and ALB now all either active or announced for F9, any chance we see ROC on the horizon for them?
At this point, I don't see why not. NK probably won't do it. F9 has a good chance at ROC. I'd even throw it out there and say they could add ELM-MCO/DEN too.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:21 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
including virtually no MIA service from anywhere in the northeast (PVD ISP or TTN is what I checked)


It's keeping MIA-PHL. For TTN and ISP, it has daily PBI but no MIA as you noted. I thought it once flew PHL-PBI seasonally as well, but it's not on the schedule.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:15 pm

MDT-RDU/DEN are not extended past November. When they were here last time they kept DEN thru New Years. MCO stays at 3x week.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:14 pm

Looks like BUF-DEN is extended to year round.
RDU ends 11/14
AUS ends 11/12
MCO goes from 4x weekly to daily A321 on 11/15
TPA end 8/9 returns 11/16
RSW starts back 11/15
JAX ends 11/12

MIA doesn't return
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:19 pm

It appears that a bunch of DEN flights that have previously been summer seasonal, or were initially announced as summer-seasonal, have been extended to year round, including:
-RDU
-BZN
-CLE
-ELP
-LIT
-FAR
-CID
-BOI
-CHS
-JAX
-FAT
-SBA
-SMF
-MEM
-GRR
-BUF
-YYC
-TYS
-SDF
-PIT
-SAV
-FSD
-GEG

In addition to this, DEN-OKC will be running daily through the winter (random thing I noticed). Also, TPA and RSW will be running daily, and MCO will be running 2x daily. One noticeable missing flight from DEN's winter schedule, however, is DEN-SJD. DEN-PVR is returning though.

LAS appears to have remained quite stable during this extension, with only MIA not returning, both TPA and BNA appear to be extended to year round (TPA assumingly coming at the expense of LAS-MIA), SFO returning for the season, and new additions YYC, SMF, GSP, ORF, JAX, and GEG all staying through the winter. (Contrary to what the LAS wikipedia page says, IAD is staying as well)

At MCO, it looks like ABQ, TUL, AUS, and SAT have been extended to year round. CLT, BUF, and BNA are all running daily this winter. SAN, TYS, MSN, and MSP are back for the winter, but it looks like CID, SFO, and PHX are not returning. It also looks like DSM also will not be running through the winter, but it may return next summer.

I randomly noticed ATL-SFO is returning, but SJC-ATL is being cut.

TPA and MIA were both huge surprises to me in the sense of how many routes aren't returning this winter.

TPA lost GSP (was this route cut before it even began? It won't show up on their website even for the fall), CMH, IND, MCI, and STL, managing to only keep MKE and MSP from last winter. However, DEN is going back to daily and LAS is staying through the winter after having previously been a summer-only flight, and will be daily.

The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.

RSW fared better than TPA and MIA in regards to cuts, with CMH, MCI, OMA, PVD, and STL not returning from last winter. However, CVG, CLE, DEN, MKE, and PHL will all be running daily this winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

PBI-PHL does not appear to be returning, but TTN-PBI and ISP-PBI both are running daily through the winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

JAX did better than I would have expected in terms of cuts. BUF, CVG, MKE, and SAT won't be running this winter, but DEN, LAS, AUS, ORD, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL, and TTN will all be running through the winter.

AUS did better than I would have expected as well. CVG and PHX were cut, but ATL, CMH, JAX, SNA, MCO, and PHL were extended to year round.

SAT did not fare as well, however. ATL, COS, PHX, SJC, and IAD all appear to be cut, and only CLT, SNA, and MCO were extended to year round.

RDU did exceedingly well, with no year-round flights being cut and DEN, IAH, MCI, MSY, SAT, SAN, SJU, and TTN all being extended to year-round. Also, the schedules were loaded for MBJ, PUJ, CUN, RSW, PBI, and PHX. MBJ, PUJ, and RSW each running 2x weekly, and PHX, CUN, and PBI each running 3x weekly.

A second PHL-SJU and MCO-SJU frequency will both be running on Tu/Th/Su through the winter. In addition, ATL-SJU and RDU-SJU will be running through the winter.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:49 pm

F9LASDEN wrote:
It appears that a bunch of DEN flights that have previously been summer seasonal, or were initially announced as summer-seasonal, have been extended to year round, including:
-RDU
-BZN
-CLE
-ELP
-LIT
-FAR
-CID
-BOI
-CHS
-JAX
-FAT
-SBA
-SMF
-MEM
-GRR
-BUF
-YYC
-TYS
-SDF
-PIT
-SAV
-FSD
-GEG

In addition to this, DEN-OKC will be running daily through the winter (random thing I noticed). Also, TPA and RSW will be running daily, and MCO will be running 2x daily. One noticeable missing flight from DEN's winter schedule, however, is DEN-SJD. DEN-PVR is returning though.

LAS appears to have remained quite stable during this extension, with only MIA not returning, both TPA and BNA appear to be extended to year round (TPA assumingly coming at the expense of LAS-MIA), SFO returning for the season, and new additions YYC, SMF, GSP, ORF, JAX, and GEG all staying through the winter. (Contrary to what the LAS wikipedia page says, IAD is staying as well)

At MCO, it looks like ABQ, TUL, AUS, and SAT have been extended to year round. CLT, BUF, and BNA are all running daily this winter. SAN, TYS, MSN, and MSP are back for the winter, but it looks like CID, SFO, and PHX are not returning. It also looks like DSM also will not be running through the winter, but it may return next summer.

I randomly noticed ATL-SFO is returning, but SJC-ATL is being cut.

TPA and MIA were both huge surprises to me in the sense of how many routes aren't returning this winter.

TPA lost GSP (was this route cut before it even began? It won't show up on their website even for the fall), CMH, IND, MCI, and STL, managing to only keep MKE and MSP from last winter. However, DEN is going back to daily and LAS is staying through the winter after having previously been a summer-only flight, and will be daily.

The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.

RSW fared better than TPA and MIA in regards to cuts, with CMH, MCI, OMA, PVD, and STL not returning from last winter. However, CVG, CLE, DEN, MKE, and PHL will all be running daily this winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

PBI-PHL does not appear to be returning, but TTN-PBI and ISP-PBI both are running daily through the winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

JAX did better than I would have expected in terms of cuts. BUF, CVG, MKE, and SAT won't be running this winter, but DEN, LAS, AUS, ORD, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL, and TTN will all be running through the winter.

AUS did better than I would have expected as well. CVG and PHX were cut, but ATL, CMH, JAX, SNA, MCO, and PHL were extended to year round.

SAT did not fare as well, however. ATL, COS, PHX, SJC, and IAD all appear to be cut, and only CLT, SNA, and MCO were extended to year round.

RDU did exceedingly well, with no year-round flights being cut and DEN, IAH, MCI, MSY, SAT, SAN, SJU, and TTN all being extended to year-round. Also, the schedules were loaded for MBJ, PUJ, CUN, RSW, PBI, and PHX. MBJ, PUJ, and RSW each running 2x weekly, and PHX, CUN, and PBI each running 3x weekly.

A second PHL-SJU and MCO-SJU frequency will both be running on Tu/Th/Su through the winter. In addition, ATL-SJU and RDU-SJU will be running through the winter.


MIA-ORD also resumes.

This is not the final winter schedule. More additiona coming in August.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:08 am

isp2 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:
It appears that a bunch of DEN flights that have previously been summer seasonal, or were initially announced as summer-seasonal, have been extended to year round, including:
-RDU
-BZN
-CLE
-ELP
-LIT
-FAR
-CID
-BOI
-CHS
-JAX
-FAT
-SBA
-SMF
-MEM
-GRR
-BUF
-YYC
-TYS
-SDF
-PIT
-SAV
-FSD
-GEG

In addition to this, DEN-OKC will be running daily through the winter (random thing I noticed). Also, TPA and RSW will be running daily, and MCO will be running 2x daily. One noticeable missing flight from DEN's winter schedule, however, is DEN-SJD. DEN-PVR is returning though.

LAS appears to have remained quite stable during this extension, with only MIA not returning, both TPA and BNA appear to be extended to year round (TPA assumingly coming at the expense of LAS-MIA), SFO returning for the season, and new additions YYC, SMF, GSP, ORF, JAX, and GEG all staying through the winter. (Contrary to what the LAS wikipedia page says, IAD is staying as well)

At MCO, it looks like ABQ, TUL, AUS, and SAT have been extended to year round. CLT, BUF, and BNA are all running daily this winter. SAN, TYS, MSN, and MSP are back for the winter, but it looks like CID, SFO, and PHX are not returning. It also looks like DSM also will not be running through the winter, but it may return next summer.

I randomly noticed ATL-SFO is returning, but SJC-ATL is being cut.

TPA and MIA were both huge surprises to me in the sense of how many routes aren't returning this winter.

TPA lost GSP (was this route cut before it even began? It won't show up on their website even for the fall), CMH, IND, MCI, and STL, managing to only keep MKE and MSP from last winter. However, DEN is going back to daily and LAS is staying through the winter after having previously been a summer-only flight, and will be daily.

The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.

RSW fared better than TPA and MIA in regards to cuts, with CMH, MCI, OMA, PVD, and STL not returning from last winter. However, CVG, CLE, DEN, MKE, and PHL will all be running daily this winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

PBI-PHL does not appear to be returning, but TTN-PBI and ISP-PBI both are running daily through the winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

JAX did better than I would have expected in terms of cuts. BUF, CVG, MKE, and SAT won't be running this winter, but DEN, LAS, AUS, ORD, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL, and TTN will all be running through the winter.

AUS did better than I would have expected as well. CVG and PHX were cut, but ATL, CMH, JAX, SNA, MCO, and PHL were extended to year round.

SAT did not fare as well, however. ATL, COS, PHX, SJC, and IAD all appear to be cut, and only CLT, SNA, and MCO were extended to year round.

RDU did exceedingly well, with no year-round flights being cut and DEN, IAH, MCI, MSY, SAT, SAN, SJU, and TTN all being extended to year-round. Also, the schedules were loaded for MBJ, PUJ, CUN, RSW, PBI, and PHX. MBJ, PUJ, and RSW each running 2x weekly, and PHX, CUN, and PBI each running 3x weekly.

A second PHL-SJU and MCO-SJU frequency will both be running on Tu/Th/Su through the winter. In addition, ATL-SJU and RDU-SJU will be running through the winter.


MIA-ORD also resumes.

This is not the final winter schedule. More additiona coming in August.


You’re right. I forgot MIA-ORD.

I’m excited to see what else may be announced next month, and hopeful nothing else is cut.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:22 am

F9LASDEN wrote:
The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.


Thanks for taking the time to get all of this analysis.
Just wanted to point out ISP-MIA isn’t returning either.
I wonder why they have all of these cuts. Maybe they’re planning to add FLL back? I remember reading in a Newsday article a few months ago that Frontier “intends” to add Miami service from ISP, or another airport in the area. Ruling out PBI as they already serve PBI from ISP.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:24 am

WNflyer1523 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:
The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.


Thanks for taking the time to get all of this analysis.
Just wanted to point out ISP-MIA isn’t returning either.
I wonder why they have all of these cuts. Maybe they’re planning to add FLL back? I remember reading in a Newsday article a few months ago that Frontier “intends” to add Miami service from ISP, or another airport in the area. Ruling out PBI as they already serve PBI from ISP.


Yes, it appears I forgot to list ISP-MIA was cut. I saw that article too, and was one of the first routes I checked when I saw that the schedule was extended this morning. I suppose it’s possible that the route may be loaded at a later time, but in the interim, at least PBI-ISP is daily.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:35 am

F9LASDEN wrote:
WNflyer1523 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:
The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.


Thanks for taking the time to get all of this analysis.
Just wanted to point out ISP-MIA isn’t returning either.
I wonder why they have all of these cuts. Maybe they’re planning to add FLL back? I remember reading in a Newsday article a few months ago that Frontier “intends” to add Miami service from ISP, or another airport in the area. Ruling out PBI as they already serve PBI from ISP.


Yes, it appears I forgot to list ISP-MIA was cut. I saw that article too, and was one of the first routes I checked when I saw that the schedule was extended this morning. I suppose it’s possible that the route may be loaded at a later time, but in the interim, at least PBI-ISP is daily.

If they were to go in to FLL, I could see pretty much all of those cut MIA routes working out well at FLL. The only thing would be sorta limited gate space, but if most of those flights were less than daily, they could probably make it work with 2 gates, maybe even 1.
Does anyone know what terminal/concourse Frontier operated out of before they left FLL?
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:37 am

WNflyer1523 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:
WNflyer1523 wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to get all of this analysis.
Just wanted to point out ISP-MIA isn’t returning either.
I wonder why they have all of these cuts. Maybe they’re planning to add FLL back? I remember reading in a Newsday article a few months ago that Frontier “intends” to add Miami service from ISP, or another airport in the area. Ruling out PBI as they already serve PBI from ISP.


Yes, it appears I forgot to list ISP-MIA was cut. I saw that article too, and was one of the first routes I checked when I saw that the schedule was extended this morning. I suppose it’s possible that the route may be loaded at a later time, but in the interim, at least PBI-ISP is daily.

If they were to go in to FLL, I could see pretty much all of those cut MIA routes working out well at FLL. The only thing would be sorta limited gate space, but if most of those flights were less than daily, they could probably make it work with 2 gates, maybe even 1.
Does anyone know what terminal/concourse Frontier operated out of before they left FLL?


I’m not 100% sure, but I believe they operated out of Concourse C
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:54 am

F9LASDEN wrote:
It appears that a bunch of DEN flights that have previously been summer seasonal, or were initially announced as summer-seasonal, have been extended to year round, including:
-RDU
-BZN
-CLE
-ELP
-LIT
-FAR
-CID
-BOI
-CHS
-JAX
-FAT
-SBA
-SMF
-MEM
-GRR
-BUF
-YYC
-TYS
-SDF
-PIT
-SAV
-FSD
-GEG

In addition to this, DEN-OKC will be running daily through the winter (random thing I noticed). Also, TPA and RSW will be running daily, and MCO will be running 2x daily. One noticeable missing flight from DEN's winter schedule, however, is DEN-SJD. DEN-PVR is returning though.

LAS appears to have remained quite stable during this extension, with only MIA not returning, both TPA and BNA appear to be extended to year round (TPA assumingly coming at the expense of LAS-MIA), SFO returning for the season, and new additions YYC, SMF, GSP, ORF, JAX, and GEG all staying through the winter. (Contrary to what the LAS wikipedia page says, IAD is staying as well)

At MCO, it looks like ABQ, TUL, AUS, and SAT have been extended to year round. CLT, BUF, and BNA are all running daily this winter. SAN, TYS, MSN, and MSP are back for the winter, but it looks like CID, SFO, and PHX are not returning. It also looks like DSM also will not be running through the winter, but it may return next summer.

I randomly noticed ATL-SFO is returning, but SJC-ATL is being cut.

TPA and MIA were both huge surprises to me in the sense of how many routes aren't returning this winter.

TPA lost GSP (was this route cut before it even began? It won't show up on their website even for the fall), CMH, IND, MCI, and STL, managing to only keep MKE and MSP from last winter. However, DEN is going back to daily and LAS is staying through the winter after having previously been a summer-only flight, and will be daily.

The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.

RSW fared better than TPA and MIA in regards to cuts, with CMH, MCI, OMA, PVD, and STL not returning from last winter. However, CVG, CLE, DEN, MKE, and PHL will all be running daily this winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

PBI-PHL does not appear to be returning, but TTN-PBI and ISP-PBI both are running daily through the winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

JAX did better than I would have expected in terms of cuts. BUF, CVG, MKE, and SAT won't be running this winter, but DEN, LAS, AUS, ORD, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL, and TTN will all be running through the winter.

AUS did better than I would have expected as well. CVG and PHX were cut, but ATL, CMH, JAX, SNA, MCO, and PHL were extended to year round.

SAT did not fare as well, however. ATL, COS, PHX, SJC, and IAD all appear to be cut, and only CLT, SNA, and MCO were extended to year round.

RDU did exceedingly well, with no year-round flights being cut and DEN, IAH, MCI, MSY, SAT, SAN, SJU, and TTN all being extended to year-round. Also, the schedules were loaded for MBJ, PUJ, CUN, RSW, PBI, and PHX. MBJ, PUJ, and RSW each running 2x weekly, and PHX, CUN, and PBI each running 3x weekly.

A second PHL-SJU and MCO-SJU frequency will both be running on Tu/Th/Su through the winter. In addition, ATL-SJU and RDU-SJU will be running through the winter.


Wow! Thank you for compiling this. It's very helpful. On a personal note, I'm disappointed in F9's ability to sustain growth at CVG.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:58 am

F9LASDEN wrote:
It appears that a bunch of DEN flights that have previously been summer seasonal, or were initially announced as summer-seasonal, have been extended to year round, including:
-RDU
-BZN
-CLE
-ELP
-LIT
-FAR
-CID
-BOI
-CHS
-JAX
-FAT
-SBA
-SMF
-MEM
-GRR
-BUF
-YYC
-TYS
-SDF
-PIT
-SAV
-FSD
-GEG

In addition to this, DEN-OKC will be running daily through the winter (random thing I noticed). Also, TPA and RSW will be running daily, and MCO will be running 2x daily. One noticeable missing flight from DEN's winter schedule, however, is DEN-SJD. DEN-PVR is returning though.

LAS appears to have remained quite stable during this extension, with only MIA not returning, both TPA and BNA appear to be extended to year round (TPA assumingly coming at the expense of LAS-MIA), SFO returning for the season, and new additions YYC, SMF, GSP, ORF, JAX, and GEG all staying through the winter. (Contrary to what the LAS wikipedia page says, IAD is staying as well)

At MCO, it looks like ABQ, TUL, AUS, and SAT have been extended to year round. CLT, BUF, and BNA are all running daily this winter. SAN, TYS, MSN, and MSP are back for the winter, but it looks like CID, SFO, and PHX are not returning. It also looks like DSM also will not be running through the winter, but it may return next summer.

I randomly noticed ATL-SFO is returning, but SJC-ATL is being cut.

TPA and MIA were both huge surprises to me in the sense of how many routes aren't returning this winter.

TPA lost GSP (was this route cut before it even began? It won't show up on their website even for the fall), CMH, IND, MCI, and STL, managing to only keep MKE and MSP from last winter. However, DEN is going back to daily and LAS is staying through the winter after having previously been a summer-only flight, and will be daily.

The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.

RSW fared better than TPA and MIA in regards to cuts, with CMH, MCI, OMA, PVD, and STL not returning from last winter. However, CVG, CLE, DEN, MKE, and PHL will all be running daily this winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

PBI-PHL does not appear to be returning, but TTN-PBI and ISP-PBI both are running daily through the winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

JAX did better than I would have expected in terms of cuts. BUF, CVG, MKE, and SAT won't be running this winter, but DEN, LAS, AUS, ORD, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL, and TTN will all be running through the winter.

AUS did better than I would have expected as well. CVG and PHX were cut, but ATL, CMH, JAX, SNA, MCO, and PHL were extended to year round.

SAT did not fare as well, however. ATL, COS, PHX, SJC, and IAD all appear to be cut, and only CLT, SNA, and MCO were extended to year round.

RDU did exceedingly well, with no year-round flights being cut and DEN, IAH, MCI, MSY, SAT, SAN, SJU, and TTN all being extended to year-round. Also, the schedules were loaded for MBJ, PUJ, CUN, RSW, PBI, and PHX. MBJ, PUJ, and RSW each running 2x weekly, and PHX, CUN, and PBI each running 3x weekly.

A second PHL-SJU and MCO-SJU frequency will both be running on Tu/Th/Su through the winter. In addition, ATL-SJU and RDU-SJU will be running through the winter.


Not too many changes at PHL. AUS, CHS, and BNA appear to be extended to year round, but PBI isn’t returning. Also, as previously mentioned, PHL-SJU is going from daily to 10x weekly with a second daily frequency on Tu/Th/Su
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:09 am

AirportRival wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:
It appears that a bunch of DEN flights that have previously been summer seasonal, or were initially announced as summer-seasonal, have been extended to year round, including:
-RDU
-BZN
-CLE
-ELP
-LIT
-FAR
-CID
-BOI
-CHS
-JAX
-FAT
-SBA
-SMF
-MEM
-GRR
-BUF
-YYC
-TYS
-SDF
-PIT
-SAV
-FSD
-GEG

In addition to this, DEN-OKC will be running daily through the winter (random thing I noticed). Also, TPA and RSW will be running daily, and MCO will be running 2x daily. One noticeable missing flight from DEN's winter schedule, however, is DEN-SJD. DEN-PVR is returning though.

LAS appears to have remained quite stable during this extension, with only MIA not returning, both TPA and BNA appear to be extended to year round (TPA assumingly coming at the expense of LAS-MIA), SFO returning for the season, and new additions YYC, SMF, GSP, ORF, JAX, and GEG all staying through the winter. (Contrary to what the LAS wikipedia page says, IAD is staying as well)

At MCO, it looks like ABQ, TUL, AUS, and SAT have been extended to year round. CLT, BUF, and BNA are all running daily this winter. SAN, TYS, MSN, and MSP are back for the winter, but it looks like CID, SFO, and PHX are not returning. It also looks like DSM also will not be running through the winter, but it may return next summer.

I randomly noticed ATL-SFO is returning, but SJC-ATL is being cut.

TPA and MIA were both huge surprises to me in the sense of how many routes aren't returning this winter.

TPA lost GSP (was this route cut before it even began? It won't show up on their website even for the fall), CMH, IND, MCI, and STL, managing to only keep MKE and MSP from last winter. However, DEN is going back to daily and LAS is staying through the winter after having previously been a summer-only flight, and will be daily.

The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.

RSW fared better than TPA and MIA in regards to cuts, with CMH, MCI, OMA, PVD, and STL not returning from last winter. However, CVG, CLE, DEN, MKE, and PHL will all be running daily this winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

PBI-PHL does not appear to be returning, but TTN-PBI and ISP-PBI both are running daily through the winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

JAX did better than I would have expected in terms of cuts. BUF, CVG, MKE, and SAT won't be running this winter, but DEN, LAS, AUS, ORD, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL, and TTN will all be running through the winter.

AUS did better than I would have expected as well. CVG and PHX were cut, but ATL, CMH, JAX, SNA, MCO, and PHL were extended to year round.

SAT did not fare as well, however. ATL, COS, PHX, SJC, and IAD all appear to be cut, and only CLT, SNA, and MCO were extended to year round.

RDU did exceedingly well, with no year-round flights being cut and DEN, IAH, MCI, MSY, SAT, SAN, SJU, and TTN all being extended to year-round. Also, the schedules were loaded for MBJ, PUJ, CUN, RSW, PBI, and PHX. MBJ, PUJ, and RSW each running 2x weekly, and PHX, CUN, and PBI each running 3x weekly.

A second PHL-SJU and MCO-SJU frequency will both be running on Tu/Th/Su through the winter. In addition, ATL-SJU and RDU-SJU will be running through the winter.


Wow! Thank you for compiling this. It's very helpful. On a personal note, I'm disappointed in F9's ability to sustain growth at CVG.


It’s unfortunate to see how hard CVG got hit with cuts during this extension. This winter, it appears that CVG will only keep flights to DEN, LAS, MCO, TPA, RSW, PHX, and SAN. LGA was daily last winter, but is not running at all this winter. CUN is another notable missing route.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:00 am

    Buddys747 wrote:
    MDT-RDU/DEN are not extended past November. When they were here last time they kept DEN thru New Years. MCO stays at 3x week.


    I’m a bit disappointed with the MDT service this time around, though I hope it’s doing well in terms of sales so far and will eventually be expanded. Was hoping for Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday, or at least one more frequency on DEN-MDT.
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:28 am

    F9LASDEN wrote:
    It appears that a bunch of DEN flights that have previously been summer seasonal, or were initially announced as summer-seasonal, have been extended to year round, including:
    -RDU
    -BZN
    -CLE
    -ELP
    -LIT
    -FAR
    -CID
    -BOI
    -CHS
    -JAX
    -FAT
    -SBA
    -SMF
    -MEM
    -GRR
    -BUF
    -YYC
    -TYS
    -SDF
    -PIT
    -SAV
    -FSD
    -GEG

    In addition to this, DEN-OKC will be running daily through the winter (random thing I noticed). Also, TPA and RSW will be running daily, and MCO will be running 2x daily. One noticeable missing flight from DEN's winter schedule, however, is DEN-SJD. DEN-PVR is returning though.

    LAS appears to have remained quite stable during this extension, with only MIA not returning, both TPA and BNA appear to be extended to year round (TPA assumingly coming at the expense of LAS-MIA), SFO returning for the season, and new additions YYC, SMF, GSP, ORF, JAX, and GEG all staying through the winter. (Contrary to what the LAS wikipedia page says, IAD is staying as well)

    At MCO, it looks like ABQ, TUL, AUS, and SAT have been extended to year round. CLT, BUF, and BNA are all running daily this winter. SAN, TYS, MSN, and MSP are back for the winter, but it looks like CID, SFO, and PHX are not returning. It also looks like DSM also will not be running through the winter, but it may return next summer.

    I randomly noticed ATL-SFO is returning, but SJC-ATL is being cut.

    TPA and MIA were both huge surprises to me in the sense of how many routes aren't returning this winter.

    TPA lost GSP (was this route cut before it even began? It won't show up on their website even for the fall), CMH, IND, MCI, and STL, managing to only keep MKE and MSP from last winter. However, DEN is going back to daily and LAS is staying through the winter after having previously been a summer-only flight, and will be daily.

    The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.

    RSW fared better than TPA and MIA in regards to cuts, with CMH, MCI, OMA, PVD, and STL not returning from last winter. However, CVG, CLE, DEN, MKE, and PHL will all be running daily this winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

    PBI-PHL does not appear to be returning, but TTN-PBI and ISP-PBI both are running daily through the winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

    JAX did better than I would have expected in terms of cuts. BUF, CVG, MKE, and SAT won't be running this winter, but DEN, LAS, AUS, ORD, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL, and TTN will all be running through the winter.

    AUS did better than I would have expected as well. CVG and PHX were cut, but ATL, CMH, JAX, SNA, MCO, and PHL were extended to year round.

    SAT did not fare as well, however. ATL, COS, PHX, SJC, and IAD all appear to be cut, and only CLT, SNA, and MCO were extended to year round.

    RDU did exceedingly well, with no year-round flights being cut and DEN, IAH, MCI, MSY, SAT, SAN, SJU, and TTN all being extended to year-round. Also, the schedules were loaded for MBJ, PUJ, CUN, RSW, PBI, and PHX. MBJ, PUJ, and RSW each running 2x weekly, and PHX, CUN, and PBI each running 3x weekly.

    A second PHL-SJU and MCO-SJU frequency will both be running on Tu/Th/Su through the winter. In addition, ATL-SJU and RDU-SJU will be running through the winter.


    Where did you get the data?

    Any more cuts at SJC?
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:55 am

    flymco753 wrote:
    ROCDLFAN wrote:
    With BUF, SYR, and ALB now all either active or announced for F9, any chance we see ROC on the horizon for them?
    At this point, I don't see why not. NK probably won't do it. F9 has a good chance at ROC. I'd even throw it out there and say they could add ELM-MCO/DEN too.


    ELM-DEN...seriously? ELM-ORD didn't work on a 50-seat RJ. I'll be surprised if ELM-EWR lasts too long. ELM already has G4 to SFB.
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:19 pm

    AirFiero wrote:
    F9LASDEN wrote:
    It appears that a bunch of DEN flights that have previously been summer seasonal, or were initially announced as summer-seasonal, have been extended to year round, including:
    -RDU
    -BZN
    -CLE
    -ELP
    -LIT
    -FAR
    -CID
    -BOI
    -CHS
    -JAX
    -FAT
    -SBA
    -SMF
    -MEM
    -GRR
    -BUF
    -YYC
    -TYS
    -SDF
    -PIT
    -SAV
    -FSD
    -GEG

    In addition to this, DEN-OKC will be running daily through the winter (random thing I noticed). Also, TPA and RSW will be running daily, and MCO will be running 2x daily. One noticeable missing flight from DEN's winter schedule, however, is DEN-SJD. DEN-PVR is returning though.

    LAS appears to have remained quite stable during this extension, with only MIA not returning, both TPA and BNA appear to be extended to year round (TPA assumingly coming at the expense of LAS-MIA), SFO returning for the season, and new additions YYC, SMF, GSP, ORF, JAX, and GEG all staying through the winter. (Contrary to what the LAS wikipedia page says, IAD is staying as well)

    At MCO, it looks like ABQ, TUL, AUS, and SAT have been extended to year round. CLT, BUF, and BNA are all running daily this winter. SAN, TYS, MSN, and MSP are back for the winter, but it looks like CID, SFO, and PHX are not returning. It also looks like DSM also will not be running through the winter, but it may return next summer.

    I randomly noticed ATL-SFO is returning, but SJC-ATL is being cut.

    TPA and MIA were both huge surprises to me in the sense of how many routes aren't returning this winter.

    TPA lost GSP (was this route cut before it even began? It won't show up on their website even for the fall), CMH, IND, MCI, and STL, managing to only keep MKE and MSP from last winter. However, DEN is going back to daily and LAS is staying through the winter after having previously been a summer-only flight, and will be daily.

    The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.

    RSW fared better than TPA and MIA in regards to cuts, with CMH, MCI, OMA, PVD, and STL not returning from last winter. However, CVG, CLE, DEN, MKE, and PHL will all be running daily this winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

    PBI-PHL does not appear to be returning, but TTN-PBI and ISP-PBI both are running daily through the winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

    JAX did better than I would have expected in terms of cuts. BUF, CVG, MKE, and SAT won't be running this winter, but DEN, LAS, AUS, ORD, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL, and TTN will all be running through the winter.

    AUS did better than I would have expected as well. CVG and PHX were cut, but ATL, CMH, JAX, SNA, MCO, and PHL were extended to year round.

    SAT did not fare as well, however. ATL, COS, PHX, SJC, and IAD all appear to be cut, and only CLT, SNA, and MCO were extended to year round.

    RDU did exceedingly well, with no year-round flights being cut and DEN, IAH, MCI, MSY, SAT, SAN, SJU, and TTN all being extended to year-round. Also, the schedules were loaded for MBJ, PUJ, CUN, RSW, PBI, and PHX. MBJ, PUJ, and RSW each running 2x weekly, and PHX, CUN, and PBI each running 3x weekly.

    A second PHL-SJU and MCO-SJU frequency will both be running on Tu/Th/Su through the winter. In addition, ATL-SJU and RDU-SJU will be running through the winter.


    Where did you get the data?

    Any more cuts at SJC?


    I used the “airlines and destinations” section of the Wikipedia page for each airport, and punched each route in F9’s website to see what was bookable and what wasn’t. For reference, I typically used dates in early January, but poked around on different days to make sure I wasn’t missing any nonstop flights on days other than the ones I was checking. It’s not a perfect method, and one that is prone to mistakes (as other users have noticed and pointed out), so if you notice any other errors, definitely bring them up.

    In addition, to ATL (which is moving to SFO) and SAT mentioned above, it looks like TUL is cut, and CVG is not running for the winter (though this route was initially announced as a seasonal route, so it may return next spring/summer). Of the routes that are left at SJC, DEN is going from daily to 3x weekly, LAS is going from 4x weekly to 3x weekly, (though F9 is running LAS-SFO 4x weekly on the days SJC isn’t running), and AUS is going from 3x weekly to 2x weekly. To me, these frequency reductions make sense for the slow winter season, and I’d look for them to increase back to what they’re at now next summer.
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:26 pm

    WeatherPilot wrote:
    SYR-DEN/RDU/ORD all gone after November in the schedule update. They just started SYR-DEN/RDU and they haven't even started SYR-ORD and they've already been discontinued.


    Those are all seasonal routes. They announced that when they announced the routes back in April. The only route that is year round is MCO.
    "I haven't been everywhere yet, but it's on my list."
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:19 pm

    F9LASDEN wrote:
    AirFiero wrote:
    F9LASDEN wrote:
    It appears that a bunch of DEN flights that have previously been summer seasonal, or were initially announced as summer-seasonal, have been extended to year round, including:
    -RDU
    -BZN
    -CLE
    -ELP
    -LIT
    -FAR
    -CID
    -BOI
    -CHS
    -JAX
    -FAT
    -SBA
    -SMF
    -MEM
    -GRR
    -BUF
    -YYC
    -TYS
    -SDF
    -PIT
    -SAV
    -FSD
    -GEG

    In addition to this, DEN-OKC will be running daily through the winter (random thing I noticed). Also, TPA and RSW will be running daily, and MCO will be running 2x daily. One noticeable missing flight from DEN's winter schedule, however, is DEN-SJD. DEN-PVR is returning though.

    LAS appears to have remained quite stable during this extension, with only MIA not returning, both TPA and BNA appear to be extended to year round (TPA assumingly coming at the expense of LAS-MIA), SFO returning for the season, and new additions YYC, SMF, GSP, ORF, JAX, and GEG all staying through the winter. (Contrary to what the LAS wikipedia page says, IAD is staying as well)

    At MCO, it looks like ABQ, TUL, AUS, and SAT have been extended to year round. CLT, BUF, and BNA are all running daily this winter. SAN, TYS, MSN, and MSP are back for the winter, but it looks like CID, SFO, and PHX are not returning. It also looks like DSM also will not be running through the winter, but it may return next summer.

    I randomly noticed ATL-SFO is returning, but SJC-ATL is being cut.

    TPA and MIA were both huge surprises to me in the sense of how many routes aren't returning this winter.

    TPA lost GSP (was this route cut before it even began? It won't show up on their website even for the fall), CMH, IND, MCI, and STL, managing to only keep MKE and MSP from last winter. However, DEN is going back to daily and LAS is staying through the winter after having previously been a summer-only flight, and will be daily.

    The biggest surprise of this extension, IMO, was the huge cutdown at MIA compared to last winter. LAS, BUF, CVG, CLE, DTW, MKE, PVD, and TTN are all not returning, leaving LGA as the only flight to return from last winter.

    RSW fared better than TPA and MIA in regards to cuts, with CMH, MCI, OMA, PVD, and STL not returning from last winter. However, CVG, CLE, DEN, MKE, and PHL will all be running daily this winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

    PBI-PHL does not appear to be returning, but TTN-PBI and ISP-PBI both are running daily through the winter, and RDU is beginning in November.

    JAX did better than I would have expected in terms of cuts. BUF, CVG, MKE, and SAT won't be running this winter, but DEN, LAS, AUS, ORD, MCI, MSP, PHL, STL, and TTN will all be running through the winter.

    AUS did better than I would have expected as well. CVG and PHX were cut, but ATL, CMH, JAX, SNA, MCO, and PHL were extended to year round.

    SAT did not fare as well, however. ATL, COS, PHX, SJC, and IAD all appear to be cut, and only CLT, SNA, and MCO were extended to year round.

    RDU did exceedingly well, with no year-round flights being cut and DEN, IAH, MCI, MSY, SAT, SAN, SJU, and TTN all being extended to year-round. Also, the schedules were loaded for MBJ, PUJ, CUN, RSW, PBI, and PHX. MBJ, PUJ, and RSW each running 2x weekly, and PHX, CUN, and PBI each running 3x weekly.

    A second PHL-SJU and MCO-SJU frequency will both be running on Tu/Th/Su through the winter. In addition, ATL-SJU and RDU-SJU will be running through the winter.


    Where did you get the data?

    Any more cuts at SJC?


    I used the “airlines and destinations” section of the Wikipedia page for each airport, and punched each route in F9’s website to see what was bookable and what wasn’t. For reference, I typically used dates in early January, but poked around on different days to make sure I wasn’t missing any nonstop flights on days other than the ones I was checking. It’s not a perfect method, and one that is prone to mistakes (as other users have noticed and pointed out), so if you notice any other errors, definitely bring them up.

    In addition, to ATL (which is moving to SFO) and SAT mentioned above, it looks like TUL is cut, and CVG is not running for the winter (though this route was initially announced as a seasonal route, so it may return next spring/summer). Of the routes that are left at SJC, DEN is going from daily to 3x weekly, LAS is going from 4x weekly to 3x weekly, (though F9 is running LAS-SFO 4x weekly on the days SJC isn’t running), and AUS is going from 3x weekly to 2x weekly. To me, these frequency reductions make sense for the slow winter season, and I’d look for them to increase back to what they’re at now next summer.


    Thank you for the information.

    So we should assume that the routes that were cut were seasonal from the beginning?
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:32 pm

    AirFiero wrote:
    F9LASDEN wrote:
    AirFiero wrote:

    Where did you get the data?

    Any more cuts at SJC?


    I used the “airlines and destinations” section of the Wikipedia page for each airport, and punched each route in F9’s website to see what was bookable and what wasn’t. For reference, I typically used dates in early January, but poked around on different days to make sure I wasn’t missing any nonstop flights on days other than the ones I was checking. It’s not a perfect method, and one that is prone to mistakes (as other users have noticed and pointed out), so if you notice any other errors, definitely bring them up.

    In addition, to ATL (which is moving to SFO) and SAT mentioned above, it looks like TUL is cut, and CVG is not running for the winter (though this route was initially announced as a seasonal route, so it may return next spring/summer). Of the routes that are left at SJC, DEN is going from daily to 3x weekly, LAS is going from 4x weekly to 3x weekly, (though F9 is running LAS-SFO 4x weekly on the days SJC isn’t running), and AUS is going from 3x weekly to 2x weekly. To me, these frequency reductions make sense for the slow winter season, and I’d look for them to increase back to what they’re at now next summer.


    Thank you for the information.

    So we should assume that the routes that were cut were seasonal from the beginning?


    The SJC-TUL and SJC-SAT routes seem like seasonal routes to me, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back next summer (though I’d be more surprised if SJC-TUL returned than if SJC-SAT returned).

    In general, cuts in cities like AUS, JAX, and SAT all seemed like routes that were geared more towards the summer season so a lot of them may just be seasonal suspensions.
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:43 pm

    F9LASDEN wrote:
    AirFiero wrote:
    F9LASDEN wrote:

    I used the “airlines and destinations” section of the Wikipedia page for each airport, and punched each route in F9’s website to see what was bookable and what wasn’t. For reference, I typically used dates in early January, but poked around on different days to make sure I wasn’t missing any nonstop flights on days other than the ones I was checking. It’s not a perfect method, and one that is prone to mistakes (as other users have noticed and pointed out), so if you notice any other errors, definitely bring them up.

    In addition, to ATL (which is moving to SFO) and SAT mentioned above, it looks like TUL is cut, and CVG is not running for the winter (though this route was initially announced as a seasonal route, so it may return next spring/summer). Of the routes that are left at SJC, DEN is going from daily to 3x weekly, LAS is going from 4x weekly to 3x weekly, (though F9 is running LAS-SFO 4x weekly on the days SJC isn’t running), and AUS is going from 3x weekly to 2x weekly. To me, these frequency reductions make sense for the slow winter season, and I’d look for them to increase back to what they’re at now next summer.


    Thank you for the information.

    So we should assume that the routes that were cut were seasonal from the beginning?


    The SJC-TUL and SJC-SAT routes seem like seasonal routes to me, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back next summer (though I’d be more surprised if SJC-TUL returned than if SJC-SAT returned).

    In general, cuts in cities like AUS, JAX, and SAT all seemed like routes that were geared more towards the summer season so a lot of them may just be seasonal suspensions.


    I’d guess that SJC-TUL was just cheap access to the Bay Area at large.
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:14 am

    AirFiero wrote:
    F9LASDEN wrote:
    AirFiero wrote:

    Thank you for the information.

    So we should assume that the routes that were cut were seasonal from the beginning?


    The SJC-TUL and SJC-SAT routes seem like seasonal routes to me, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back next summer (though I’d be more surprised if SJC-TUL returned than if SJC-SAT returned).

    In general, cuts in cities like AUS, JAX, and SAT all seemed like routes that were geared more towards the summer season so a lot of them may just be seasonal suspensions.


    I’d guess that SJC-TUL was just cheap access to the Bay Area at large.


    Another interesting thing about SJC-TUL is that operated as a SJC-TUL-IAD same plane, same flight number service, which makes wonder if F9 was using it, at least in part, to guage the feasibility of an SJC-IAD nonstop flight. If this route is successful this summer (if a lot of people stayed on in TUL and continued to IAD), I'd think it may be at least somewhat possible that F9 could be looking into launching an SJC-IAD nonstop flight next spring/summer. If not that, it at least likely gave the Washington metro area, in addition to the TUL area, cheap access to the Bay Area
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:34 am

    F9LASDEN wrote:
    AirFiero wrote:
    F9LASDEN wrote:

    The SJC-TUL and SJC-SAT routes seem like seasonal routes to me, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back next summer (though I’d be more surprised if SJC-TUL returned than if SJC-SAT returned).

    In general, cuts in cities like AUS, JAX, and SAT all seemed like routes that were geared more towards the summer season so a lot of them may just be seasonal suspensions.


    I’d guess that SJC-TUL was just cheap access to the Bay Area at large.


    Another interesting thing about SJC-TUL is that operated as a SJC-TUL-IAD same plane, same flight number service, which makes wonder if F9 was using it, at least in part, to guage the feasibility of an SJC-IAD nonstop flight. If this route is successful this summer (if a lot of people stayed on in TUL and continued to IAD), I'd think it may be at least somewhat possible that F9 could be looking into launching an SJC-IAD nonstop flight next spring/summer. If not that, it at least likely gave the Washington metro area, in addition to the TUL area, cheap access to the Bay Area


    SJC could use an IAD nonstop. It has been flown before, by UA, some years ago. I wouldn’t be surprised to see AS pick it up. I would think it’s a business route, so I’m not sure it would be a summer route without connections available at IAD. SJC-CLT has been a seasonal red eye on AA for two or three years now, with the season getting longer. Obviously, AA has its hub at the end to make the flight viable.
     
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    Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

    Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:29 pm

    jeepyjeep wrote:
      Buddys747 wrote:
      MDT-RDU/DEN are not extended past November. When they were here last time they kept DEN thru New Years. MCO stays at 3x week.


      I’m a bit disappointed with the MDT service this time around, though I hope it’s doing well in terms of sales so far and will eventually be expanded. Was hoping for Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday, or at least one more frequency on DEN-MDT.


      3-4 weekly is what they need at the least to compete with the local traffic heading to BWI.
      MDT-RDU now ends 9/5, there was some marketing for it but now it will operate for only a month and a half. Probably another victim of 2 weekly flights, not enough to stimulate traffic.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:44 pm

      For all practical purposes, it is probably prudent to consider ALL NEW FRONTIER ROUTE ANNOUNCEMENTS as "seasonal". Even though they (F9) may indicate the city pairings are to be flown daily, do not count on it. It has been validated a number of times over, should the post announcement bookings be soft the route may not even start. Should the route fair okay initially, once a competitor enters the market and minimizes the route potential, F9 will often abandon it. Should the route not meet the revenue and operational requirements that are projected, it will not come back. Frontier does not allow for a lot of time, dollars or patience to be given for a route to develop which is one of the ULCC mantras.

      Looking at the early winter extensions and cuts, I am not surprised. Frontier will fly where the $$$$ are, hence the reductions. Come next summer with the addition of a number of new planes, many of these routes will have a chance at coming back. F9 is going to fly them where they have had some success, along with probably a slew of new city pairs on a less than daily basis.

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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:56 pm

      Better yet, just consider all new routes "temporary" and then that way they never cut anything!
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:30 pm

      I've noticed in Syracuse F9 uses a set of stairs to board passengers from the rear of the plane as well. Is this a normal thing for F9? Do they do this in other cities? It'll be interesting come winter with the lake effect this area gets if they continue to board this way when the snow flies.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BlfsgXsnpFX ... 761e7307tg
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:39 pm

      Frontier14 wrote:
      For all practical purposes, it is probably prudent to consider ALL NEW FRONTIER ROUTE ANNOUNCEMENTS as "seasonal". Even though they (F9) may indicate the city pairings are to be flown daily, do not count on it. It has been validated a number of times over, should the post announcement bookings be soft the route may not even start. Should the route fair okay initially, once a competitor enters the market and minimizes the route potential, F9 will often abandon it. Should the route not meet the revenue and operational requirements that are projected, it will not come back. Frontier does not allow for a lot of time, dollars or patience to be given for a route to develop which is one of the ULCC mantras.

      Looking at the early winter extensions and cuts, I am not surprised. Frontier will fly where the $$$$ are, hence the reductions. Come next summer with the addition of a number of new planes, many of these routes will have a chance at coming back. F9 is going to fly them where they have had some success, along with probably a slew of new city pairs on a less than daily basis.

      Frontier 14


      So what do they do with all of their planes in the off season?
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:39 pm

      So what do they do with all of their planes in the off season?[/quote]

      There are no off seasons. Frontier flies their planes primarily east - west during the summer and north - south during the winter. As with most airlines the spring and fall shoulder seasons see reduced flying because the pax traffic drops off. This winds up being a good time for major maintenance etc......

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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:16 pm

      WeatherPilot wrote:
      I've noticed in Syracuse F9 uses a set of stairs to board passengers from the rear of the plane as well. Is this a normal thing for F9? Do they do this in other cities? It'll be interesting come winter with the lake effect this area gets if they continue to board this way when the snow flies.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BlfsgXsnpFX ... 761e7307tg

      I've wondered the same thing. If they're boarding only the rear of the plane through the stairs and the front portion through the jetway, my guess is the DEN flights are doing quite well.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:28 am

      TucsonDave wrote:
      WeatherPilot wrote:
      I've noticed in Syracuse F9 uses a set of stairs to board passengers from the rear of the plane as well. Is this a normal thing for F9? Do they do this in other cities? It'll be interesting come winter with the lake effect this area gets if they continue to board this way when the snow flies.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BlfsgXsnpFX ... 761e7307tg

      I've wondered the same thing. If they're boarding only the rear of the plane through the stairs and the front portion through the jetway, my guess is the DEN flights are doing quite well.


      If they were doing well you'd think they'd keep DEN year round. Although, I think it may happen considering the airport just lost out on that $400,000 grant they wanted to use as a revenue guarantee for UA to start DEN service.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:19 pm

      Boarding from the rear of the plane isn't unusual as Jetblue used to that in SYR. It's the kind of thing that they only do in good weather otherwise everyone uses the jetway. The seasonal nature of the DEN route doesn't surprise me as during the winter the traffic out of SYR is more north-south than east west as many people go south to escape the cold.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:36 am

      Thought I'd sum up the recent F9 W18 adds here from the "More F9 route announcements" thread: viewtopic.php?p=20634089#p20634089
      Most of these start in November.
      RSW-ALB/LAS/PHX/PWM/SLC/SYR/ISP
      TPA-GRR/CLT/ORF/PWM/SYR
      PHX-MSN/ORF/GRR
      TUS-DEN (resumption from pre-ULCC days)
      FLL-ISP/TTN
      SRQ-CLE
      PBI-PIT/STL/CMH/CLE
      PUJ-CVG/CLE/STL Strangely enough, PUJ-CVG is Saturday-only for some reason. I thought that F9 didn't do many of these routes.
      MCO-LGA
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:17 am

      ^has anyone beside CLE announced any of these. It seems weird that most airports and F9 hasn't said anything yet.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:21 am

      Jshank83 wrote:
      ^has anyone beside CLE announced any of these. It seems weird that most airports and F9 hasn't said anything yet.

      F9 normally announces routes on Tuesdays, so I'd expect a press release tomorrow. They typically load the routes a day before, but I haven't ever seen them loaded this early. (the RSW and TPA adds have been for sale for almost a week now) I guess F9 is just really bad at keeping new routes under wraps and us avgeeks find out.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:26 am

      While F9 has recently re-entered or already announced plans to re-enter destinations that it previously pulled out of, there are some destinations previously served by F9 such as CAK, ANC, BWI, BIL, CZM, DAY, FAI, BDL, LIR, MZT, PIE, SJO, YVR, and ZIH that F9 hasn't yet re-entered.

      Out of F9's DEN home base, F9 could bring back DEN-BWI, DEN-FLL, and DEN-BDL nonstop service and add DEN-ISP, DEN-ROC, DEN-SRQ, and DEN-TTN nonstop service.

      Will F9 announce plans to bring back DEN-BWI, DEN-FLL, and/or DEN-BDL nonstop service either later this year or early next year? Will F9 announce plans to add DEN-ISP, DEN-ROC, DEN-SRQ, and/or DEN-TTN nonstop service either later this year or early next year?
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:15 pm

      I see on their route map they added a bunch of Volaris codeshares I guess. Also, Lafayette,LA was never shown on map, but listed as coming soon route. But now that is gone as well. Haven't looked if bookable, but not a good sign either way.
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:34 pm

      mtnwest1979 wrote:
      I see on their route map they added a bunch of Volaris codeshares I guess. Also, Lafayette,LA was never shown on map, but listed as coming soon route. But now that is gone as well. Haven't looked if bookable, but not a good sign either way.


      Both DEN-LFT and MCO-LFT are bookable through mid-February (as far as their schedule extends). Both twice weekly, DEN on an A319 and MCO on an A320.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:51 pm

      mtnwest1979 wrote:
      I see on their route map they added a bunch of Volaris codeshares I guess. Also, Lafayette,LA was never shown on map, but listed as coming soon route. But now that is gone as well. Haven't looked if bookable, but not a good sign either way.

      It's still bookable on the F9 website. Even though it's a little bit strange that it's not on the route map, I'm not worried about it. Other than in cities where F9 has a bigger presence, I get the feeling that most of their travelers stumble across them via a website such as Google Flights or from hearing on the news that they're starting service, so they probably won't be checking their route map anyways.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:19 pm

      Frontier14 wrote:
      So what do they do with all of their planes in the off season?


      There are no off seasons. Frontier flies their planes primarily east - west during the summer and north - south during the winter. As with most airlines the spring and fall shoulder seasons see reduced flying because the pax traffic drops off. This winds up being a good time for major maintenance etc......

      Frontier 14[/quote]

      The east - west in summer; north - south in winter is Mariner's first law of Frontier route planning. I wish they could generate some sort of exception for MSO - DEN.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:17 am

      ROCDLFAN wrote:
      With BUF, SYR, and ALB now all either active or announced for F9, any chance we see ROC on the horizon for them?


      I would think BTV would be next. Very similar market to those airports listed too.

      The legacies have a really good hold on the airport with the LCCs over in Plattsburgh. I could see BTV next. The airport really wants a Denver link too.
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:14 am

      I was just thinking, I find it kinda funny/ironic that 2 of Frontier's biggest northeast/mid atlantic stations (TTN and ISP) are the only ones in the northeast/mid atlantic that don't have a DEN nonstop
       
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:24 am

      WNflyer1523 wrote:
      I was just thinking, I find it kinda funny/ironic that 2 of Frontier's biggest northeast/mid atlantic stations (TTN and ISP) are the only ones in the northeast/mid atlantic that don't have a DEN nonstop

      Yeah, that is a bit odd...

      Most of Frontier's flights out of TTN and ISP run north to south (mainly to/from destinations in Florida), so having a DEN connection is kind of worthless. People in DEN are not going to fly DEN-TTN/ISP-Florida. The only benefit of a DEN flight out of those two airports would be local traffic to/from Denver and onward connections westward. With that being said, demand for west coast travel to/from those two airports must be low enough for DEN flights to/from TTN and ISP to not be worthwhile...
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      Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread 2018

      Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:20 am

      WNflyer1523 wrote:
      I was just thinking, I find it kinda funny/ironic that 2 of Frontier's biggest northeast/mid atlantic stations (TTN and ISP) are the only ones in the northeast/mid atlantic that don't have a DEN nonstop


      Not sure why for ISP but I know for TTN the runway is to short for that long of a flight. Longerts runway is only 6,002 Feet. The furtherest it flies West is Minneapolis. TTN doesn’t have any intention of extending the runway so F9 can only expand but so much distance wise
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      Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:31 am

      I think an ISP-DEN route would do exceptional. ISP used to have nonstop service to LAS via WN but was cancelled due to frequent flier mileage or something to that effect, and were losing money on that route. Many people can connect in DEN for service to LAS and LAX and I think that these routes would be very profitable. Many people from LI go to these destinations and would give them an incentive to try F9.
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