aristoenigma
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KLM cargo operations

Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:13 pm

How big is cargo for KLM. Does it outsource to other companies. With the impending 747 retirements will that change?
 
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Re: KLM cargo operations

Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:29 am

AFKL cargo right now is a fraction of its former self. In terms of freighter fleet size, KLM cargo has 3 744F (as per wiki) and 9 744 combi. I think one of the major reasons why they are shrinking is due to the overcapacity.
 
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Re: KLM cargo operations

Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:48 am

Cargo is more than freighters. Depending on the Business model of the individual carrier, more than half of the ton mileage is produced in the belly capacity if wide bodies. The cargo ops of AF and KL are combined BTW.
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Re: KLM cargo operations

Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:43 am

PanHAM wrote:
Cargo is more than freighters. Depending on the Business model of the individual carrier, more than half of the ton mileage is produced in the belly capacity if wide bodies. The cargo ops of AF and KL are combined BTW.


Once the 9 744 combis retire will the freight that normally went into the Combi fit in the bellies of other wide bodies?
 
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Re: KLM cargo operations

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:05 am

aristoenigma wrote:
PanHAM wrote:
Cargo is more than freighters. Depending on the Business model of the individual carrier, more than half of the ton mileage is produced in the belly capacity if wide bodies. The cargo ops of AF and KL are combined BTW.


Once the 9 744 combis retire will the freight that normally went into the Combi fit in the bellies of other wide bodies?


More than likely seeing that KLM are eventually retiring all of their B747 fleet of Combis and Freighters.

Aren't the 747F freighters actually flying for Martinair Cargo as I was under the impression that KLM Cargo now uses that brand for it's cargo operations with just a single 747F currently wearing the full Martinair Cargo colour scheme and the remaining 747F fleet still wearing the full KLM Cargo colours.

With the gradual withdrawal of the 747F freighter fleet does this mean the end of Martinair as a cargo entity for KLM and some of the off the beat routes that they currently serve discontinued such as the scheduled calls at London Stansted.
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Re: KLM cargo operations

Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:55 pm

AF phased out about 4 747-400ERF's, KLM got rid of their newest 747-400F and Martinair all of their 7 MD-11F's in a time period of about 3 years.
That's a loss of 11 full freighter planes.

Around the time the last Martinair MD-11F departed, KLM also started the phase-out of the 747-400(M) fleet; starting with -BFM; a combi 747-400.
When all the 747-400M's are gone at the end of 2019; that's a loss of 15 747-400 combi aircraft.
That's an huge loss of capacitity.

All that's left are 2 777F's (AF), 3 747F's (KLM) and 1 747F (Martinair) and no plans of adding new aircraft.
The new 777's, 787's and A350's may carry more cargo in their belly than (for example) the full pax 747's, but special cargo like horses can't be carried in the bellies.
AF/KLM used to carry the most horses per year of any airline; about half of al horses transported by air flew with AF/KLM.

The 747-400M's were fantastic aircraft in the sense that they were an excellent combination of pax and cargo. A fleet of al full pax 747's was way to much capacity for KLM so the cargo on the main deck reduced that capacity while offering profitible space for cargo. And with a fleet of 15 of those planes flying - pretty much daily - around the world it offered fast and efficient cargo transportation.

Amsterdam Schiphol is completely stuffed with cargo airlines and KLM has only 4 747 freighter there.
And Russia basically blackmailed the Netherlands/KLM by threatening to close the Russian airspace for Dutch aircraft if they didn't get their slots at Amsterdam; so KLM had to transfer some of their own slots to Air Bridge Cargo.
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Re: KLM cargo operations

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:24 pm

aristoenigma wrote:
Once the 9 744 combis retire will the freight that normally went into the Combi fit in the bellies of other wide bodies?


Somewhere on one of the 747 threads, a very solid case was made that the 777, with its long range, slightly smaller passenger capacity and slightly larger cargo hold, makes for an effective 747-combi replacement.

This argument means that KLM had a good replacement aircraft, but it also means that everyone else who is not replacing combies fly with a lot more cargo capacity then they once had.
 
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Re: KLM cargo operations

Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:18 pm

Iemand91 wrote:

Indeed, KLM Cargo is a shadow of its former self and Martinair Cargo. Some of its demise is self inflicted: under former CEO Eurlings KL's cargo clients were structurally neglected. Other factors were the increase of belly cargo capacity and (not always fair) competition from the Middle East.

The 747 combis were doomed anyway IMO, as a result of the huge belly cargo capacities of the 777, 787 and A350. For cargo which can't fit there, there's always the dedicated freighter.

Apparently KLM has no plans to retire the 747F's, unlike the pax/combi 747s. Some people have doubts about this, but other airlines like SQ and OZ also continue with their 747F's after the pax version have been retired.

IMO KL would be better off replacing the 747F's too though, 777F's would have commonality with KL's 77E/77W fleet and also AF's 777Fs. But the steep purchase price of new 777Fs was a bit of a hurdle. Maybe KL can take some 77F coming off lease, or buy 2nd hand straight from other airlines (EY?). Rumor goes KL is also looking for some used 77W to replace the remaining 744 full pax, perhaps making a combined deal would lower the price.
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