hello,

there is some talk around Vancouver Airport that Air Canada is looking at YVR-BKK and YVR-SIN flights? It would be a nice addition but hard to believe there is enough high yielding traffic to support either. I also noticed Canada and Thailand updated the air agreement give an airline from Thailand access to Vancouver.
I am curious to why the agreement had been updated when Thai is not interested in Vancouver but looking at service to Seattle?

Any thoughts/

CPA62 wrote:

hello,

there is some talk around Vancouver Airport that Air Canada is looking at YVR-BKK and YVR-SIN flights? It would be a nice addition but hard to believe there is enough high yielding traffic to support either. I also noticed Canada and Thailand updated the air agreement give an airline from Thailand access to Vancouver.
I am curious to why the agreement had been updated when Thai is not interested in Vancouver but looking at service to Seattle?

Any thoughts/

I don't think Air Canada mainline would do so well on YVR-BKK. Better leave it to Air Canada Rouge.

SQ actually served YVR for a while (I think it was via ICN) but the route was cut a while back, I forget the year however. I would assume there is an market between the cities. Air Canada using the 787-9 on an daily YVR-SIN would do well it seems.

NichCage wrote:

CPA62 wrote:

hello,

there is some talk around Vancouver Airport that Air Canada is looking at YVR-BKK and YVR-SIN flights? It would be a nice addition but hard to believe there is enough high yielding traffic to support either. I also noticed Canada and Thailand updated the air agreement give an airline from Thailand access to Vancouver.
I am curious to why the agreement had been updated when Thai is not interested in Vancouver but looking at service to Seattle?

Any thoughts/

I don't think Air Canada mainline would do so well on YVR-BKK. Better leave it to Air Canada Rouge.

SQ actually served YVR for a while (I think it was via ICN) but the route was cut a while back, I forget the year however. I would assume there is an market between the cities. Air Canada using the 787-9 on an daily YVR-SIN would do well it seems.

763 isn't going to make it nonstop YVR-BKK.

Nor should anyone want to be on that product for that amount of time. Flew Rouge 763 long-haul to Japan, vowed never again. Would pay the difference for a proper carrier across the pacific.

SIN and BKK would be great. I just wonder how these would do? There are so many one stop connections to these cities through Asia. But I guess Canadian travelers do seem to heavily favour Canadian carriers so it might not be much of an issue if they're focusing on Canadians. With how AC has been expanding YVRs US routes it might capture some decent American origin traffic that wants to avoid the likes of LAX/SFO? They might be able to fill a 788 a 3-4 times/week to each city? It's alot of maybes but AC seems to be on an expansion roll and really starting to use YVR as a Pacific hub.

Seems odd that there would be flights between YVR and Thailand when there aren't even any flights between the US and Thailand anymore. No US carriers fly to BKK and Thai doesnt fly to the US.

Also YVR-SIN failed, SQ pulled out.

That being said, Canadian Airlines did fly YVR-HKG-BKK at one stage.

YVR broke through 24 million pax in 2017 and is accelerating some of its expansion projects.


http://www.timescolonist.com/news/b-c/v ... 1.23152050

And WestJet has announced 60 more flights per week, adding frequency on existing routes (primarily domestic) out of Vancouver. In addition to the new MEX flight beginning in March.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news ... re-flights

Link to previous thread:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1344727

Air Canada’s YVR-DEL service to go year round:

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2018-01-30-Air-Canadas-787-Dreamliner-non-stop-Vancouver-Delhi-Flights-Become-Year-Round-Beginning-June-2018

Is CANADA and UAE in the process of re-negotiating the current bi-lateral. Apparantly Emirates is opening an office in Vancouver? At least that is the talk and they will open service to Vancouver. I think the rumour is not real, maybe to do with Dnata setting up shop in Vancouver and some confusion. But just thought i would check if anybody knows anything about this.

CPA62 wrote:

Is CANADA and UAE in the process of re-negotiating the current bi-lateral. Apparantly Emirates is opening an office in Vancouver? At least that is the talk and they will open service to Vancouver. I think the rumour is not real, maybe to do with Dnata setting up shop in Vancouver and some confusion. But just thought i would check if anybody knows anything about this.

DNATA solely has an upcoming catering contract for YVR. It's quite possible that could expand over the coming years though.

No Canada-UAE bilateral talks currently ongoing that I’m aware of.

Don't think there's much money to be made on YVR-BKK. I'm going there in a week and I paid $730 all in.

Any idea which contracts DNATA won? I hope they appreciate the labour constraints on Sea Island. Both CLS/LSG and Gate Gourmet have huge hiring banners year round to attract talent and always seem to just get by.

IST YVR IST will be announced soon and will be done by TK 777 thrice weekly by Turkish Airlines. Turkey Canada Air Service Agreement amendment is expected in the next 60 days and first flight to operate mid-summer 2018. TK will also launch SEA, DFW and EWR in North America this summer as 4 new destinations for Turkish Airlines.
TK just announced for a firm order or 25 B787-9 and 25 A350. I will expect the B787 to be utilized to YVR once it starts joining the fleet in 2019.

The talk is Turkish will start service in the winter spring 2019, not 2018. this is from the Turkish GSA. Also indicated if they are given daily flights to YVR they will not start Seattle for a little while. Turkish will surely not get daily flights into YVR.

Ottawa is expected to control the timing of TK's YVR operation. TK already decided to commence SEA and it will be thrice weekly to start with. YVR is also going to be thrice weekly, that is how it was agreed to during the Canadian Turkish CAA meetings. If Canada makes the final approval TK will start asap but if Canadians drag their fee longer it will take longer of course.

CPA62 wrote:

The talk is Turkish will start service in the winter spring 2019, not 2018. this is from the Turkish GSA. Also indicated if they are given daily flights to YVR they will not start Seattle for a little while. Turkish will surely not get daily flights into YVR.

B.C.-based Orca Airways grounded by feds 'in the interest of public safety'

Although recently bought by Integra Air, appears TC put the final nail in Orca Airways (surprisingly?) long run out of YVR South Terminal.

Good time for Pasco to start their service to YAZ this Spring/Summer.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-based-orca-airways-grounded-by-feds-in-the-interest-of-public-safety-1.4577784

teriyaki wrote:

Nor should anyone want to be on that product for that amount of time. Flew Rouge 763 long-haul to Japan, vowed never again. Would pay the difference for a proper carrier across the pacific.

I believe KIX is going to mainline soon? Can anyone confirm?

1900Driver wrote:

teriyaki wrote:

Nor should anyone want to be on that product for that amount of time. Flew Rouge 763 long-haul to Japan, vowed never again. Would pay the difference for a proper carrier across the pacific.

I believe KIX is going to mainline soon? Can anyone confirm?

KIX is seasonal so this summer it’s Rouge. I’m guessing next summer, if it doesn’t go year round before, it’ll be mainline as the Rouge pilot base is closing in yvr

I'm pleased to see that AC is increasing their Jazz service to SAN this summer to triple-daily service, along with up-gauging all three flights to the CR9! The flights are nicely scheduled throughout the day with one RON in SAN.

I can't help but think back to a few years ago when AC abruptly cancelled their service between YVR and SAN - in Fall 2012 -- and the route remained totally unserved for several years! In June of 2016, the route magically reappeared and has been expanding ever since! I never did find an explanation for what happened to a market that obviously has traffic! (WS also serves the market seasonally now.)

I look forward to continued growth between our two cities' airports. I expect one of these days, AC mainline (rouge?) might reappear in the market. I also wonder if a U.S. carrier such as AS or WN might eventually enter the market as well?

I note that our two airports are even similar now in annual pax served, with SAN hitting over 22M in 2017! Lots of similarities between our 2 beautiful west coast cities!

bb

SANFan wrote:

I'm pleased to see that AC is increasing their Jazz service to SAN this summer to triple-daily service, along with up-gauging all three flights to the CR9! The flights are nicely scheduled throughout the day with one RON in SAN.

I can't help but think back to a few years ago when AC abruptly cancelled their service between YVR and SAN - in Fall 2012 -- and the route remained totally unserved for several years! In June of 2016, the route magically reappeared and has been expanding ever since! I never did find an explanation for what happened to a market that obviously has traffic! (WS also serves the market seasonally now.)

I look forward to continued growth between our two cities' airports. I expect one of these days, AC mainline (rouge?) might reappear in the market. I also wonder if a U.S. carrier such as AS or WN might eventually enter the market as well?

I note that our two airports are even similar now in annual pax served, with SAN hitting over 22M in 2017! Lots of similarities between our 2 beautiful west coast cities!

bb

The route has always be with the CRJ705/900

SANFan wrote:

I'm pleased to see that AC is increasing their Jazz service to SAN this summer to triple-daily service, along with up-gauging all three flights to the CR9! The flights are nicely scheduled throughout the day with one RON in SAN.

I can't help but think back to a few years ago when AC abruptly cancelled their service between YVR and SAN - in Fall 2012 -- and the route remained totally unserved for several years! In June of 2016, the route magically reappeared and has been expanding ever since! I never did find an explanation for what happened to a market that obviously has traffic! (WS also serves the market seasonally now.)

I look forward to continued growth between our two cities' airports. I expect one of these days, AC mainline (rouge?) might reappear in the market. I also wonder if a U.S. carrier such as AS or WN might eventually enter the market as well?

I note that our two airports are even similar now in annual pax served, with SAN hitting over 22M in 2017! Lots of similarities between our 2 beautiful west coast cities!

bb

I’m wondering if WS would eventually go year round, maybe to feed the Asian routes once the 787s arrive?

Congrats SAN on 22 million in 2017! It really is a beautiful city!

What impact Amazon's tech hub arrival will have for YVR?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4641765

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:

What impact Amazon's tech hub arrival will have for YVR?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4641765

Don't know about YVR but Kenmore Air and Harbour Air had already begun Coal Harbour to Lake Union flights even prior to this announcement, largely based on Amazon's existing operations in the two cities. Could definitely see that operation (which has started at two round trips each way per weekday) expanding.

http://vancouversun.com/business/local- ... ake-flight

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:

What impact Amazon's tech hub arrival will have for YVR?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4641765

several widebodies a day from SEA to YVR......

So, today May 1st Lufthansa is resuming its seasonal MUC-YVR-MUC LH476/477 service, this year with an A350-900 instead of the usual A333s.

LH476 dep. 15:35 arr. 16:45

LH477 dep. 18:20 arr. 13:20 +1

Icelandair plans to double its winter 2018/19 schedule, going from 2 to 4x weekly with 75W. That's a nice addition for Europe during winter.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-w18/

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:

So, today May 1st Lufthansa is resuming its seasonal MUC-YVR-MUC LH476/477 service, this year with an A350-900 instead of the usual A333s.

LH476 dep. 15:35 arr. 16:45

LH477 dep. 18:20 arr. 13:20 +1

I'll be flying on LH477 tomorrow, first A350 for me, excited! I'll be in their rather mediocre biz class, however, looking forward the their A350's getting the new LH product.

There it is, D-AIXC just departed MUC: https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH476/1139fce8

ankaraflyjet wrote:

IST YVR IST will be announced soon and will be done by TK 777 thrice weekly by Turkish Airlines. Turkey Canada Air Service Agreement amendment is expected in the next 60 days and first flight to operate mid-summer 2018. TK will also launch SEA, DFW and EWR in North America this summer as 4 new destinations for Turkish Airlines.
TK just announced for a firm order or 25 B787-9 and 25 A350. I will expect the B787 to be utilized to YVR once it starts joining the fleet in 2019.

Whats the update on this?

yycdel wrote:

ankaraflyjet wrote:

IST YVR IST will be announced soon and will be done by TK 777 thrice weekly by Turkish Airlines. Turkey Canada Air Service Agreement amendment is expected in the next 60 days and first flight to operate mid-summer 2018. TK will also launch SEA, DFW and EWR in North America this summer as 4 new destinations for Turkish Airlines.
TK just announced for a firm order or 25 B787-9 and 25 A350. I will expect the B787 to be utilized to YVR once it starts joining the fleet in 2019.

Whats the update on this?

Considering TK hasn't announced EWR, DFW, SEA or YVR, and summer 2018 is pretty much here, guess that means ankaraflyjet is full of hot air. Not to say some of these routes won't be announced at a later date.

Swissport has been designated the cargo handler for Turkish at YVR. A startup date has not been given but likly spring 2019. I believe they are still trying to negotiate daily flights into YVR? we will see.

Flying next week Air Canada direct YVR to FRA and on to VIE with Austrian then back VIE to ZRH with Swiss and Air Canada direct ZRH to YVR. Both A.C. flights are on 788. These are both new services within the past month or two.

With regards to Turkish, I heard from a contact that the holdup is that they have requested 5th freedom rights to serve MEX, which are presumably being negotiated.

On the same token, VN is also in negotiations to serve YVR and YYZ, however, according again to my contact, they are not being offered sufficient service rights to accomplish what they want, so they continue to negotiate.

whywhyzee wrote:

With regards to Turkish, I heard from a contact that the holdup is that they have requested 5th freedom rights to serve MEX, which are presumably being negotiated.

Interesting. IST-MEX can be flown non stop, no problem. They need a stop over on the eastbound leg, due to MEX's elevation. YUL or YYZ are ideal stop over points for them, as both are pretty much on the great circle route between IST and MEX.

Thenoflyzone wrote:

whywhyzee wrote:

With regards to Turkish, I heard from a contact that the holdup is that they have requested 5th freedom rights to serve MEX, which are presumably being negotiated.

Interesting. IST-MEX can be flown non stop, no problem. They need a stop over on the eastbound leg, due to MEX's elevation. YUL or YYZ are ideal stop over points for them, as both are pretty much on the great circle route between IST and MEX.

Agreed. I don't have any more details unfortunately, so it's hard to actually decipher what they are looking for in terms of 5th freedoms. I would think it would make more sense to go non-stop to MEX if they were interested, YYZ and YUL both already have pretty ample service to MEX, there isn't a real need for 5th freedoms in my opinion.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but some big expansion plans for YVR.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4707435

Thenoflyzone wrote:

yycdel wrote:

ankaraflyjet wrote:

IST YVR IST will be announced soon and will be done by TK 777 thrice weekly by Turkish Airlines. Turkey Canada Air Service Agreement amendment is expected in the next 60 days and first flight to operate mid-summer 2018. TK will also launch SEA, DFW and EWR in North America this summer as 4 new destinations for Turkish Airlines.
TK just announced for a firm order or 25 B787-9 and 25 A350. I will expect the B787 to be utilized to YVR once it starts joining the fleet in 2019.

Whats the update on this?

Considering TK hasn't announced EWR, DFW, SEA or YVR, and summer 2018 is pretty much here, guess that means ankaraflyjet is full of hot air. Not to say some of these routes won't be announced at a later date.

The thing is he said Mid summer so there's still time for an announcement

Planes4you wrote:

Thenoflyzone wrote:

yycdel wrote:

Whats the update on this?

Considering TK hasn't announced EWR, DFW, SEA or YVR, and summer 2018 is pretty much here, guess that means ankaraflyjet is full of hot air. Not to say some of these routes won't be announced at a later date.

The thing is he said Mid summer so there's still time for an announcement

There's still a chance these routes may come to fruition. After all, EK's EWR-ATH-DXB service was announced less than a month before it started, so there's a chance that this may be the case with these apparent new TK flights too.