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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:43 pm

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Providing DPS goes all A321LR from MEL, SYD and BNE, on current capacity MEL-DPS will require 3 daily and both SYD and BNE to DPS will required to go from a daily service to 10 weekly. By DPS going to A321LR it would free up 4 788's, what sort of new routes could we see?

Unfortunately, probably just a further entrenchment of an Asian leisure strategy from the East Coast, like SYD / MEL - CTS (seasonal) and SYD / MEL - PNH.

Thinking outside the box, IMO, a JQ 788 hub could work well out of PER (PER - BOM / CPT / NRT). Some AKL flights to the likes of NRT would be good too.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:58 pm

qf789 wrote:
According to the following re JQ A321LR order

Providing DPS goes all A321LR from MEL, SYD and BNE, on current capacity MEL-DPS will require 3 daily and both SYD and BNE to DPS will required to go from a daily service to 10 weekly. By DPS going to A321LR it would free up 4 788's, what sort of new routes could we see?

https://blueswandaily.com/delving-deepe ... a321neolr/


I would expect 3 daily on MEL-DPS and 2 daily on BNE/SYD-DPS. I would imagine that MEL/SYD-CTS would have to be considered for the 787s, surely even 2 weekly on each would be very successful.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:13 am

JBusworth wrote:
qf789 wrote:
According to the following re JQ A321LR order

Providing DPS goes all A321LR from MEL, SYD and BNE, on current capacity MEL-DPS will require 3 daily and both SYD and BNE to DPS will required to go from a daily service to 10 weekly. By DPS going to A321LR it would free up 4 788's, what sort of new routes could we see?

https://blueswandaily.com/delving-deepe ... a321neolr/


I would expect 3 daily on MEL-DPS and 2 daily on BNE/SYD-DPS. I would imagine that MEL/SYD-CTS would have to be considered for the 787s, surely even 2 weekly on each would be very successful.


I wonder though if they wouldn’t keep one 788 on the routes plus two 321, the market will have grown by the time the 321s are delivered. I can’t imagine DPS is frequency dependabt route. They would need to use Aussie Cabin crew more expensive than the Thai crew, be curious to see per seat which aircraft was cheaper to DPS. Still frees up 788 for more routes.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:40 am

The A321LR being deployed on BNE-DPS will likely allow for the 788 to be re-deployed back to MEL or SYD.

It will likely make things more efficient operationally if they did that, so unfortubately I don’t see them expanding BNE ops with the freed up 788’s.

Overall, there are still a few opportunities available for them that the 788 would certainly help with out of MEL, but over the next few years JQ will have time to study what their next moves are.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:42 am

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I appreciate your point, but will (with global) market demands, a 797 be optimized for the east coast triangle? Yes, I know, some Asian sectors in between etc etc, but I do not see Boeing providing an Aircraft to suit this type of operation, especially considering the other operators (and their requirements & potential purchase volumes) who have indicated interest. Has Airbus got anything more optimized? No, not really, so no fanboyism here, but in my humble personal opinion, AJ s signals are too early to be taken serious, they may just as well be something we have seen a lot of recently at various global carriers to get the leverage on pricing they desire with both OEMs. I dare not judge which way this one is going, am just a little weary at the fact that it appears as though all eggs are in the 797 basket just yet, despite the fanfare.....


I disagree. Look at the list of 10 world's busiest air routes:
http://www.traveller.com.au/worlds-busi ... est-h0e7ha

The average length is 830km. The shortest is Rio to Sao Paulo at 350km. The longest is Cape Town to Johannesburg at 1,260km. Similar story for the busiest international routes. Hong to Taipei is only 810km.

Their is sufficient demand for a WB aircraft that can carry 250 - 300 people that is optimised for flights under 2,000km. This is the market I can see the 797 targeting, or at least one variant of the 797.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:00 am

Hornberger wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
I appreciate your point, but will (with global) market demands, a 797 be optimized for the east coast triangle? Yes, I know, some Asian sectors in between etc etc, but I do not see Boeing providing an Aircraft to suit this type of operation, especially considering the other operators (and their requirements & potential purchase volumes) who have indicated interest. Has Airbus got anything more optimized? No, not really, so no fanboyism here, but in my humble personal opinion, AJ s signals are too early to be taken serious, they may just as well be something we have seen a lot of recently at various global carriers to get the leverage on pricing they desire with both OEMs. I dare not judge which way this one is going, am just a little weary at the fact that it appears as though all eggs are in the 797 basket just yet, despite the fanfare.....


I disagree. Look at the list of 10 world's busiest air routes:
http://www.traveller.com.au/worlds-busi ... est-h0e7ha

The average length is 830km. The shortest is Rio to Sao Paulo at 350km. The longest is Cape Town to Johannesburg at 1,260km. Similar story for the busiest international routes. Hong to Taipei is only 810km.

Their is sufficient demand for a WB aircraft that can carry 250 - 300 people that is optimised for flights under 2,000km. This is the market I can see the 797 targeting, or at least one variant of the 797.


I’d agree I think the long haul routes have had a strong focus from A&B - the regional market, infra Asia as you’ve said, Aus, and also North America where slowly we are seeing uogauges and airport capacity stretched. Domestic China, perhaps also India in the coming years also seems like a markets that would benefit from a regioVal widebody with quick turn times to reduce frames.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:04 am

Hornberger wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
I appreciate your point, but will (with global) market demands, a 797 be optimized for the east coast triangle? Yes, I know, some Asian sectors in between etc etc, but I do not see Boeing providing an Aircraft to suit this type of operation, especially considering the other operators (and their requirements & potential purchase volumes) who have indicated interest. Has Airbus got anything more optimized? No, not really, so no fanboyism here, but in my humble personal opinion, AJ s signals are too early to be taken serious, they may just as well be something we have seen a lot of recently at various global carriers to get the leverage on pricing they desire with both OEMs. I dare not judge which way this one is going, am just a little weary at the fact that it appears as though all eggs are in the 797 basket just yet, despite the fanfare.....


I disagree. Look at the list of 10 world's busiest air routes:
http://www.traveller.com.au/worlds-busi ... est-h0e7ha

The average length is 830km. The shortest is Rio to Sao Paulo at 350km. The longest is Cape Town to Johannesburg at 1,260km. Similar story for the busiest international routes. Hong to Taipei is only 810km.

Their is sufficient demand for a WB aircraft that can carry 250 - 300 people that is optimised for flights under 2,000km. This is the market I can see the 797 targeting, or at least one variant of the 797.


Agreed. I expect the 797 to be pretty much custom designed for Delta and United, meaning range optimised for routes such as NYC-LAX and LAX-HNL. By default that would mean that it is better suited to flights in the 500-1000 mile range than any other wide body on the market.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:23 am

planemanofnz wrote:

Unfortunately, probably just a further entrenchment of an Asian leisure strategy from the East Coast, like SYD / MEL - CTS (seasonal) and SYD / MEL - PNH.

I don’t see that as “unfortunate” at all. If Asian leisure routes are the airline’s strategy, then it’s entirely consistent. You’re arguing for a change of strategy, in effect, and that’s not something any airline does on a whim.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:25 am

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The first QLink a320 was rolled out earlier today, it is due to arrive in Perth this weekend, I don't have any times or images, just repeating what I have been told.

Descending into Perth now as JQ8996.

Photo here:

 
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:54 am

The QF colours look superb on the A320. A beautiful balance.

I wouldn't mind seeing this expanded to the mainline fleet too. ( I can hope).
 
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am

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angusjt wrote:
The first QLink a320 was rolled out earlier today, it is due to arrive in Perth this weekend, I don't have any times or images, just repeating what I have been told.

Descending into Perth now as JQ8996.

Photo here:



Wonder what the interior is like.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:42 am

Looks weird to see an A320 in QF colours!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:00 am

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Looks weird to see an A320 in QF colours!


Indeed, but she wears the colours well, looks great!
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:46 pm

Looks good but strange.

I don't know whats weirder. QF colours on a A320 or Qantaslink titles on a 180 seat aircraft
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:33 pm

vhqpa wrote:
Looks good but strange.

I don't know whats weirder. QF colours on a A320 or Qantaslink titles on a 180 seat aircraft

DavidByrne wrote:
Looks weird to see an A320 in QF colours!

Indeed. Who would have thought a few years ago that that these would be in circulation now:




All in WA via subsidiary companies focused on the regional and FIFO markets too.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:49 am

Perth airport to gets Perths first Costco

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.per ... 55146z.amp

Should be a nice boost to the coffers
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:46 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Hornberger wrote:
I disagree. Look at the list of 10 world's busiest air routes:
http://www.traveller.com.au/worlds-busi ... est-h0e7ha

The average length is 830km. The shortest is Rio to Sao Paulo at 350km. The longest is Cape Town to Johannesburg at 1,260km. Similar story for the busiest international routes. Hong to Taipei is only 810km.

Their is sufficient demand for a WB aircraft that can carry 250 - 300 people that is optimised for flights under 2,000km. This is the market I can see the 797 targeting, or at least one variant of the 797.


Agreed. I expect the 797 to be pretty much custom designed for Delta and United, meaning range optimised for routes such as NYC-LAX and LAX-HNL. By default that would mean that it is better suited to flights in the 500-1000 mile range than any other wide body on the market.


If you look at the top 10 USA domestic routes, with the exception of New York - LA (4,000km) and Chicago - LA (2,800km), they are all under 2,000km.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/bus ... e-usa.html

I can see the 797 having both a medium haul and a short haul variants.

A medium haul variant with 220 - 250 seats, optimised for 4,000 km - 6,000 km routes. For the American airlines this would cover flights like NYC-LAX and LAX-HNL and TATL routes that don't require the capacity of an 339 or 787-10.

A short haul variant with 270 - 300 seats, optimised for short thick routes (good for Chicago - NYC or Atlanta - Miami).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:16 am

QF A380 VH-OQD has departed SYD to DXB as the first aircraft to enter maintenance as part of the new EK maintenance agreement.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:40 am

Dan23 wrote:
angusjt wrote:
The first QLink a320 was rolled out earlier today, it is due to arrive in Perth this weekend, I don't have any times or images, just repeating what I have been told.

Descending into Perth now as JQ8996.

Photo here:



I think it looks great. Hopefully a glimpse into the not-too-distant future.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:16 am

US carriers want 797 for transatlantic routes, not domestic flights. They want a 757 with the range of a 767
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:20 am

With all these repaints going on, does anyone think QF will ever repaint their atlas 747s? Or does their agreement prevent it?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:53 am

qf789 wrote:
According to the following re JQ A321LR order

Providing DPS goes all A321LR from MEL, SYD and BNE, on current capacity MEL-DPS will require 3 daily and both SYD and BNE to DPS will required to go from a daily service to 10 weekly. By DPS going to A321LR it would free up 4 788's, what sort of new routes could we see?

https://blueswandaily.com/delving-deepe ... a321neolr/


My tip would be consolidation of the current strategy out of SYD and MEL to the SE Asian markets. BNE may get to try some secondary markets with the A321LR (e.g SUB, CEB or even MNL). The later to MNL could compete with PR's A321neo non-stop service in the future.

I would've suggested OOL-KIX could be restored with JQ's freed up 788s, but there are rumours flying around that QF may be flying BNE-KIX instead with the A330s. Which would likely rule out that suggestion. This would mean the 788 allocated to the BNE-DPS flights currently would likely be redeployed back to SYD or MEL.
 
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:31 am

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With all these repaints going on, does anyone think QF will ever repaint their atlas 747s? Or does their agreement prevent it?


The Atlas freighters are not theirs to repaint so id say no. If I understand the Atlas contracts too, it is not airframe specific, ie Atlas can rotate their fleet through the QF contract, so repainting isnt possible as the frame could go off and work for another carrier at any stage.
 
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:02 am

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US carriers want 797 for transatlantic routes, not domestic flights. They want a 757 with the range of a 767


They want a 762/763 sized aircraft with the operating costs (per seat) of a 321, or at least as close as possible. Think of a light weight 762 using 25-30 % less fuel than the original.
 
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:48 am

qf2220 wrote:
HM7 wrote:
With all these repaints going on, does anyone think QF will ever repaint their atlas 747s? Or does their agreement prevent it?


The Atlas freighters are not theirs to repaint so id say no. If I understand the Atlas contracts too, it is not airframe specific, ie Atlas can rotate their fleet through the QF contract, so repainting isnt possible as the frame could go off and work for another carrier at any stage.


Correct, the Atlas Air freighters (N409MC, 412, 418, 419, & 492 if I’m not mistaken) operate Polar Air charters / other carrier charters from time to time therefore repaint in QF colorscheme highly unlikely. There are 3 freighters which operate on behalf of QF but I believe additional 2 fill in from time to time.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:49 am

sq256 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
According to the following re JQ A321LR order

Providing DPS goes all A321LR from MEL, SYD and BNE, on current capacity MEL-DPS will require 3 daily and both SYD and BNE to DPS will required to go from a daily service to 10 weekly. By DPS going to A321LR it would free up 4 788's, what sort of new routes could we see?

https://blueswandaily.com/delving-deepe ... a321neolr/


My tip would be consolidation of the current strategy out of SYD and MEL to the SE Asian markets. BNE may get to try some secondary markets with the A321LR (e.g SUB, CEB or even MNL). The later to MNL could compete with PR's A321neo non-stop service in the future.

I would've suggested OOL-KIX could be restored with JQ's freed up 788s, but there are rumours flying around that QF may be flying BNE-KIX instead with the A330s. Which would likely rule out that suggestion. This would mean the 788 allocated to the BNE-DPS flights currently would likely be redeployed back to SYD or MEL.


PR’s A321neo service has been put on indefinte hold, which was reported by airlineroute a few weeks ago. Not sure when it’ll convert over to to it, but the A343 will be here from late March, which nicely compliments the HiFly jets.
 
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:40 am

^^Is the indefinite hold due to manufacturers engine issues? Are you suggesting the A343 is on charter from HiFly?
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:50 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
Looks good but strange.

I don't know whats weirder. QF colours on a A320 or Qantaslink titles on a 180 seat aircraft

DavidByrne wrote:
Looks weird to see an A320 in QF colours!

Indeed. Who would have thought a few years ago that that these would be in circulation now:




All in WA via subsidiary companies focused on the regional and FIFO markets too.

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Shows just how far Australian aviation has come and changed from the TAA and Ansett 2 airline policy days.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:53 am

SAA280/281 JNB-PER-JNB was/is for the first time today operated by an A332 ZS-SXY.

Flight time showing as 9:05hrs which is around the same as the usual A343/346.

Kind of begs the question could QF operate A330's on this route?

For some reason I thought quads had to operate this route due to ETOPS requirements but clearly I'm wrong.
 
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:16 am

    TN486 wrote:
    ^^Is the indefinite hold due to manufacturers engine issues? Are you suggesting the A343 is on charter from HiFly?


    Not at all suggesting either - I haven’t heard of any potential delays due to engine issues for PR’s A321neo’s, and am well aware the PR will be flying their own A343’s to BNE - am saying that it makes a nice addition to BNE for more A340’s here, particularly some that have more colour on them than just all white.

    As for how long - probably more of a waiting game as to how long it lasts, unless someone here knows more than what I do.
     
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    Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:15 am

    QF744ER wrote:
    SAA280/281 JNB-PER-JNB was/is for the first time today operated by an A332 ZS-SXY.

    Flight time showing as 9:05hrs which is around the same as the usual A343/346.

    Kind of begs the question could QF operate A330's on this route?

    For some reason I thought quads had to operate this route due to ETOPS requirements but clearly I'm wrong.

    PER-JNB is perfectly legal for ETDO 180 twins, provided they make a small detour [nominally around 200 nm, it varies depending on conditions] to remain within the ETDO 180 requirements

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    ... JNB-PER-JNB ... could QF operate A330's on this route?

    Yes - however a PER - CPT flight (even seasonally) might be more realistic, so as to 1) avoid direct competition with SA and 2) minimize cannibalizing SYD - JNB. That being said, I'm not sure that QF actually has A330 capacity for this, and even less so now that many A330s have been re-distributed from PER across to AKL. One option might be to extend any QF AKL - PER service to JNB or CPT (there was talk of the former going year round). Another might be to use a JQ 788 instead. Things in South Africa are mixed, but generally looking up - markets have responded positively to the latest political moves, and tourism to CPT has boomed of late.

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    Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:52 pm

    QF744ER wrote:
    SAA280/281 JNB-PER-JNB was/is for the first time today operated by an A332 ZS-SXY.

    Flight time showing as 9:05hrs which is around the same as the usual A343/346.

    Kind of begs the question could QF operate A330's on this route?

    For some reason I thought quads had to operate this route due to ETOPS requirements but clearly I'm wrong.


    EDTO rules changed almost three years ago - Australian operators can now apply to CASA for twin engine flights in any EDTO category, as well as for polar operations. CASA finally caught up to the real world... except that, of course, it's all meaningless if (a) no operator applies to CASA and/or (b) CASA refuses applications, all of which remains to be seen. Point is, though, the rules have changed and such operations are theoretically allowed.
     
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:17 am

    planemanofnz wrote:
    QF744ER wrote:
    ... JNB-PER-JNB ... could QF operate A330's on this route?

    Yes - however a PER - CPT flight (even seasonally) might be more realistic, so as to 1) avoid direct competition with SA and 2) minimize cannibalizing SYD - JNB. That being said, I'm not sure that QF actually has A330 capacity for this, and even less so now that many A330s have been re-distributed from PER across to AKL. One option might be to extend any QF AKL - PER service to JNB or CPT (there was talk of the former going year round). Another might be to use a JQ 788 instead. Things in South Africa are mixed, but generally looking up - markets have responded positively to the latest political moves, and tourism to CPT has boomed of late.


    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but has QF given any indication that they are looking at PER-South Africa flights or is this just a rumour that has stayed around A.net since they ended their codeshare with SA? I'd be surprised if QF has any plans for additional capacity to South Africa at the moment and certainly wouldn't expect it until the 747s are eventually retired and they have to replace them with (likely) a 789 on SYD-JNB... then maybe we will see SYD-CPT or PER-JNB/CPT.
     
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:37 am

    @Qantas16 - I think all we are reading is harmless theorising, not industry rumour or anything more.
     
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:06 am

    Now I know we think its not going to happen and seems really odd.. Norwegian Air Shuttle and Perth has come up again.

    But
    Not sure why there "preliminary discussions"
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    the "route" would be a game changer.

    https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88751880z
     
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:54 am

    For what it's worth, that A320 looks awesome in the Qantas livery. I'd go as far as to say it would look even better than the former QF livery, but that's obviously just a hunch.

    It is interesting how the QF and VA fleets have developed. The WA market almost necessitates an exception to the fleet simplification mantra. F100s and, apparently, A320s appear more suited to that market, or perhaps FIFO operations. Are we seeing a repeat of the days of Ansett, which operated F27s, F50s, F28s, BAe146s, 737s, 320s, 727s? Contrast with QF's D8s, 717s, F100s, 737s and (now) A320s and VA's AT72s, F100s, 737s and A320s.

    AN got criticised heavily for its expansive fleet choices - are carriers just better at managing these disparities now? Or is it that because these extra types were brought in on the back of purchases of other carriers (ie. VA and Skywest, QF and Network) that they're essentially considered as operated by another carrier? If VA does remove the 320 then they're down to just three domestic types, once the 330 is reassigned to international. That's pretty good.
     
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:01 am

    aerokiwi wrote:
    For what it's worth, that A320 looks awesome in the Qantas livery. I'd go as far as to say it would look even better than the former QF livery, but that's obviously just a hunch.

    It is interesting how the QF and VA fleets have developed. The WA market almost necessitates an exception to the fleet simplification mantra. F100s and, apparently, A320s appear more suited to that market, or perhaps FIFO operations. Are we seeing a repeat of the days of Ansett, which operated F27s, F50s, F28s, BAe146s, 737s, 320s, 727s? Contrast with QF's D8s, 717s, F100s, 737s and (now) A320s and VA's AT72s, F100s, 737s and A320s.

    AN got criticised heavily for its expansive fleet choices - are carriers just better at managing these disparities now? Or is it that because these extra types were brought in on the back of purchases of other carriers (ie. VA and Skywest, QF and Network) that they're essentially considered as operated by another carrier? If VA does remove the 320 then they're down to just three domestic types, once the 330 is reassigned to international. That's pretty good.


    I must say QF colour scheme on the A320 is stunning! The Roo on the winglets icing on the cake.

    Regarding the mix of types must say QF had kept it tidy up until Network was absorbed which meant QF went from 5 types to 8 types. Considering Network continue to be identified as a separate division I’d say costs would be managed in a similar manner opposed to the one umbrella so to speak wearing all the costs.

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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:18 am

    IASC has issied a determination to QF allocating 1260 extra seats per week in each direction between Australia and Indonesia

    https://blueswandaily.com/qantas-renews ... indonesia/

    IASC has issued a determination to VA allocating 242 extra seats per week in each direction between Australia and Fiji

    https://blueswandaily.com/iasc-grants-v ... s-to-fiji/
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    Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

    Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:34 am

    QF744ER wrote:
    SAA280/281 JNB-PER-JNB was/is for the first time today operated by an A332 ZS-SXY.

    Flight time showing as 9:05hrs which is around the same as the usual A343/346.

    Kind of begs the question could QF operate A330's on this route?

    For some reason I thought quads had to operate this route due to ETOPS requirements but clearly I'm wrong.


    Yes first visit, there's already a photo in the database as well

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    Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

    Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:19 am

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    I must say QF colour scheme on the A320 is stunning! The Roo on the winglets icing on the cake.


    I agree, a great livery on the A320, a shame the A320 is otherwise such a stubby-nosed ungainly-looking aircraft. I think the only time Airbus made better-looking frame than Boeing was the A350 vs the 787, for everything else Airbus jets look so chubby!
     
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:25 am

    CraigAnderson wrote:
    EK413 wrote:
    I must say QF colour scheme on the A320 is stunning! The Roo on the winglets icing on the cake.


    I agree, a great livery on the A320, a shame the A320 is otherwise such a stubby-nosed ungainly-looking aircraft. I think the only time Airbus made better-looking frame than Boeing was the A350 vs the 787, for everything else Airbus jets look so chubby!


    Stubby nose indeed! The A350 is by far the hottest aircraft Airbus built to date. The A380 always appeared deformed probably a lot to do with the over sized wings to accomodate any stretched version should Airbus ever produce a A380-900.

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    until Network was absorbed which meant QF went from 5 types to 8 types.


    Trying to figure out what the 3rd type you are alluding to is - at the time of purchase (2010), Network's fleet consisted of F100s and E120s, the latter of which were retired a few years ago.
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:07 am

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    I agree, a great livery on the A320, a shame the A320 is otherwise such a stubby-nosed ungainly-looking aircraft. I think the only time Airbus made better-looking frame than Boeing was the A350 vs the 787, for everything else Airbus jets look so chubby!


    Despite the fact that the 737 was nick-named Fat Albert?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Alber ... mbiguation)

    Boeing 737, the older models were often referred to as "Fat Albert" due to its three-by-three fuselage width and short body

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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:31 am

    waoz1 wrote:
    Now I know we think its not going to happen and seems really odd.. Norwegian Air Shuttle and Perth has come up again.

    But
    Not sure why there "preliminary discussions"
    and
    the "route" would be a game changer.

    https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88751880z


    Geoffrey Thomas and Seven West Media combined really do make for some bad articles.

    This was discussed a few months ago; airlines always ask for rights to fly from point A to point B, with them actually ever flying the route is a different story, and I think we can safely say this will be extremely unlikely to come to fruition.
     
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:38 am

    BAeRJ100 wrote:
    EK413 wrote:
    until Network was absorbed which meant QF went from 5 types to 8 types.


    Trying to figure out what the 3rd type you are alluding to is - at the time of purchase (2010), Network's fleet consisted of F100s and E120s, the latter of which were retired a few years ago.


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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:56 am

    waoz1 wrote:
    Now I know we think its not going to happen and seems really odd.. Norwegian Air Shuttle and Perth has come up again.
    But
    Not sure why there "preliminary discussions"
    and
    the "route" would be a game changer.
    https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88751880z


    Methinks GT has 'game-changer' as a keyboard macro. Qantas Boeing 787 is a game-changer, the QF787's "revolutionary" premium economy seat is a game-changer, PER-LHR is a game-changer (despite reportedly low loads after first few months when first bloom is off this ultra-long-haul rose). I must have missed the report that the ex-JQ A320 in new QF livery was a game-changer too.
     
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:02 am

    CraigAnderson wrote:
    waoz1 wrote:
    Now I know we think its not going to happen and seems really odd.. Norwegian Air Shuttle and Perth has come up again.
    But
    Not sure why there "preliminary discussions"
    and
    the "route" would be a game changer.
    https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88751880z


    Methinks GT has 'game-changer' as a keyboard macro. Qantas Boeing 787 is a game-changer, the QF787's "revolutionary" premium economy seat is a game-changer, PER-LHR is a game-changer (despite reportedly low loads after first few months when first bloom is off this ultra-long-haul rose). I must have missed the report that the ex-JQ A320 in new QF livery was a game-changer too.


    Didnt think there were any data out there on the loads Mel-Per-Lhr
    Would have to wait and see the actually figures....not on scuttlebutt.

    Tho I agree the "game changer" phrase does get bandied around too much.
     
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    Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:18 am

    There's no data yet but a friend in QF tells me it's lower than QF anticipated, it seems that the double whammy of losing the former MEL-DXB-LHR A380 plus DXB now being swapped out for SIN which is much more appealing for passengers who can now do MEL-SIN-LHR, has taken a slice out of the PER-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR traffic.

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