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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:30 am

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There's no data yet but a friend in QF tells me it's lower than QF anticipated, it seems that the double whammy of losing the former MEL-DXB-LHR A380 plus DXB now being swapped out for SIN which is much more appealing for passengers who can now do MEL-SIN-LHR, has taken a slice out of the PER-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR traffic.



You’re going to get some that go via SIN and some that go via PER. I used to make use of the SIN stop to swing by the Singapore office, so it’s good that it’s back.

Perth will work. When people try it and see how much easier it is they will love it.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:31 am

[quote="CraigAnderson"]There's no data yet but a friend in QF tells me it's lower than QF anticipated, quote]

Except the official word out of QF is that forward bookings are "higher than expected"...
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:35 am

I'm booked on LHR-PER-MEL (QF10)about a week after the service starts. No hassle getting availability in all classes even though it is the end of school holidays. I got an extra legroom seat in Y without any dramas also. Hard to say how full the flight is overall because lots won't have attempted seat allocation yet.
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:38 am

I also had the option of a points upgrade to W but turned it down. I think the extra legroom in Y will be a whole lot better than the "revolutionary" W class seat!!!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:55 am

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Now I know we think its not going to happen and seems really odd.. Norwegian Air Shuttle and Perth has come up again.
But
Not sure why there "preliminary discussions"
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the "route" would be a game changer.
https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88751880z


Methinks GT has 'game-changer' as a keyboard macro. Qantas Boeing 787 is a game-changer, the QF787's "revolutionary" premium economy seat is a game-changer, PER-LHR is a game-changer (despite reportedly low loads after first few months when first bloom is off this ultra-long-haul rose). I must have missed the report that the ex-JQ A320 in new QF livery was a game-changer too.


It was QF themselves that referred to this as a game changer, so it makes sense that media is going to refer to it as a game changer in their articles
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:58 am

Hi Tulla

As a percentage of cabin capacity the QF10 is fuller than the QF2 on the 1st of April. Having a quick look into the future of both flights, the QF10 seems to consistently be more popular than the QF2.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:58 am

According to the following article SQ could upgrade other their other flights to PER with 787-10 in the not distance future.

https://blueswandaily.com/singapore-air ... th-market/
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:06 am

CraigAnderson.

Both the QF10 and QF2 have similarly low loads after the initial few months. So I can't agree that the QF10 via Perth is somehow less popular than the QF2 via Singapore.
 
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:19 am

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I also had the option of a points upgrade to W but turned it down. I think the extra legroom in Y will be a whole lot better than the "revolutionary" W class seat!!!



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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:43 am

Qantas should have half of the 737's fitted with WIFI by June

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:51 am

QF 744ER VH-OEE is currently operating with one winglet missing

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:02 am

Another Carrier heads to Melbourne!

Cebu Pacific launches budget flights to Melbourne from Manila
James Dowling | February 26, 2018

A BUDGET airline has entered the Victorian market, flying direct flights from Manila to Melbourne.

Cebu Pacific will fly three new weekly services from the Filipino capital to Tullamarine from August, bringing 41,000 extra visitors to Victoria each year.

Another Asian low-cost carrier has announced it will start flying daily between Melbourne and Singapore.

Scoot Airline will increase its service from five to seven days a week, bringing an additional 14,000 visitors to Victoria each year.

Tourism and Major Events minister John Eren said Cebu Pacific’s new route will pave the way for more trade opportunities between Victoria, the Philippines and Asia.

“We’re thrilled to add more direct flights to Asia, opening up greater opportunities for Victorian jobs and businesses.”

With Cebu added there are now 35 airlines that fly in and out of Melbourne Airport.

Read More: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...la/news-story/
 
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:04 am

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There's no data yet but a friend in QF tells me it's lower than QF anticipated, it seems that the double whammy of losing the former MEL-DXB-LHR A380 plus DXB now being swapped out for SIN which is much more appealing for passengers who can now do MEL-SIN-LHR, has taken a slice out of the PER-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR traffic.


Anecdotally both are doing very well.

Looking at J/W classes on QF9/10 in the GDS for the six weeks of operation, on most days these classes are 75-100% full already. Very good for services still over a month away. Y is also doing very well.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:46 am

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Another Carrier heads to Melbourne!

Cebu Pacific launches budget flights to Melbourne from Manila

A BUDGET airline has entered the Victorian market, flying direct flights from Manila to Melbourne.

Cebu Pacific will fly three new weekly services from the Filipino capital to Tullamarine from August, bringing 41,000 extra visitors to Victoria each year.



Great news for MEL and Cebu! PR currently only fly MEL-MNL 3x a week so this is more than double the capacity.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:57 am

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Another Carrier heads to Melbourne!

Cebu Pacific launches budget flights to Melbourne from Manila

A BUDGET airline has entered the Victorian market, flying direct flights from Manila to Melbourne.

Cebu Pacific will fly three new weekly services from the Filipino capital to Tullamarine from August, bringing 41,000 extra visitors to Victoria each year.



Great news for MEL and Cebu! PR currently only fly MEL-MNL 3x a week so this is more than double the capacity.


It will be interesting to see how much 5J can stimulate the market.

PR have been suggesting they will move MEL-MNL to the A321LR, upgrading frequency to 6 or 7 times weekly. That would likely be the same amount of capacity, but providing greater choice of frequency.

I must say I expected a late curve ball to come through with 5J, which would have been for them to announce AVV instead. Either way, interesting to see if they finally make it to Victoria after years of talk.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:15 pm

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CraigAnderson wrote:
There's no data yet but a friend in QF tells me it's lower than QF anticipated, it seems that the double whammy of losing the former MEL-DXB-LHR A380 plus DXB now being swapped out for SIN which is much more appealing for passengers who can now do MEL-SIN-LHR, has taken a slice out of the PER-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR traffic.


Anecdotally both are doing very well.

Looking at J/W classes on QF9/10 in the GDS for the six weeks of operation, on most days these classes are 75-100% full already. Very good for services still over a month away. Y is also doing very well.


Erm... if you have actual data then it's not anecdotal.

The anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks a route is going to smash it from day one. Gone are the days of hoping for 65-75% LF in the startup period. But can understand - from Melbourne at least - the appeal of Singapore over Perth.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:20 pm

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QF 744ER VH-OEE is currently operating with one winglet missing

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:34 pm

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CraigAnderson wrote:
There's no data yet but a friend in QF tells me it's lower than QF anticipated, it seems that the double whammy of losing the former MEL-DXB-LHR A380 plus DXB now being swapped out for SIN which is much more appealing for passengers who can now do MEL-SIN-LHR, has taken a slice out of the PER-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR traffic.


Anecdotally both are doing very well.

Looking at J/W classes on QF9/10 in the GDS for the six weeks of operation, on most days these classes are 75-100% full already. Very good for services still over a month away. Y is also doing very well.


Erm... if you have actual data then it's not anecdøtal.

The anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise.


I meant anecdotally both QF1/2 and QF9/10 are doing well post-March 24. My evidence is just the first six weeks of operation of one of the routes.
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:00 pm

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Except the official word out of QF is that forward bookings are "higher than expected"...


And you would expect QF PR to say anything different?
 
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:06 pm

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It was QF themselves that referred to this as a game changer, so it makes sense that media is going to refer to it as a game changer in their articles


Have to respectfully disagree. Just because QF employs some colourful hype does not mean the media should deploy the same hype. Indeed, any media who repeat the same phrase without questioning it or measuring it against reality is just a second-rate echo chamber for QF. This might describe some media but not all. Many independent and independent-minded media would not automatically parrot the PR hype regardless of which airline it came from.
 
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:38 pm

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QF 744ER VH-OEE is currently operating with one winglet missing

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Does anyone know why?


According to another site it had a run in with an A380 on the ground at SYD. Not sure which A380 was involved though

EDIT: According to FR24 it looks like OQA was the only QF A380 on the ground in SYD at that time.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:58 pm

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SYDSpotter wrote:
Except the official word out of QF is that forward bookings are "higher than expected"...


And you would expect QF PR to say anything different?


Of course you would. “In line with expectations”, “showing potential”, “emerging market” could all mean anything, but better than expected means pretty much that. Of course it would be useful to know what they were forecasting to know whether that is a meaningful statement.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:17 pm

QF and AA have re-filed for a joint business venture with the US Department of Transport, claiming that QF may pull SYD-DFW if not approved, anyone else call BS on this?

http://traveldaily.com.au/news/td-break ... ion/304157

The talk has been that flights to DFW will be increased with the advent of the 789's arriving in fleet either from MEL or BNE, so severely doubt they would consider pulling SYD-DFW; having said that, I'm sure UA with their new SYD-IAH flight would love SYD to do a dummy spit and pull DFW.
 
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:14 pm

Qantas threatens to throw some toys out of the cot, including the SYD-DFW A380, if the US DoT doesn't approve its second application for a JV with AA. Of course, if the proposal does get a rubber stamp, QF and AA are talking up new routes such as BNE-DFW and BNE-ORD.
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:24 pm

Ahhh... more QF spin. Well if DOT calls their bluf, QF can, in turn, launch 789 DFW-BNE and not have 100 seats blocked each way... win/win. Using DFW & SYD (the JV's 2 biggest hubs) is probably not a good example to pick going into this fight (MEL-SFO may have been a better choice), but I seem to remember QF/AA's JV timing last time around screwed up AA's MEL plans.
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:17 am

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I must say QF colour scheme on the A320 is stunning! The Roo on the winglets icing on the cake.


I agree, a great livery on the A320, a shame the A320 is otherwise such a stubby-nosed ungainly-looking aircraft. I think the only time Airbus made better-looking frame than Boeing was the A350 vs the 787, for everything else Airbus jets look so chubby!


I think the A321 is the best in the A320 family and has the right proportions.

In my view though the A340-600 is the best proportioned airframe out there..... The long fuselage seems to really fit the wings it carries.
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:20 am

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There's no data yet but a friend in QF tells me it's lower than QF anticipated, it seems that the double whammy of losing the former MEL-DXB-LHR A380 plus DXB now being swapped out for SIN which is much more appealing for passengers who can now do MEL-SIN-LHR, has taken a slice out of the PER-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR traffic.


QF will still learn a lot about this route by operating it that can be used on SYD and MEL ULH routes, so im not so worried about low loads.
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:26 am

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Except the official word out of QF is that forward bookings are "higher than expected"...


And you would expect QF PR to say anything different?


To do so would be a lie and would contravene the ASX continuous disclosure rules for which QF could be penalised. So yes, I would expect every media release to be tuthful, albeit spun truthfulness.
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:30 am

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QF and AA have re-filed for a joint business venture with the US Department of Transport, claiming that QF may pull SYD-DFW if not approved, anyone else call BS on this?

http://traveldaily.com.au/news/td-break ... ion/304157

The talk has been that flights to DFW will be increased with the advent of the 789's arriving in fleet either from MEL or BNE, so severely doubt they would consider pulling SYD-DFW; having said that, I'm sure UA with their new SYD-IAH flight would love SYD to do a dummy spit and pull DFW.


Lets use the exact words:

"may be forced to reduce the frequency of, downgauge or potentially cancel its A380 service between Sydney and Dallas/Fort Worth"

Cancellation is the third of these options. Capacity cuts are the first and second options.....
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:34 am

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QF 744ER VH-OEE is currently operating with one winglet missing

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https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/9 ... 6443376640


Does anyone know why?


Surprised they operate it this way, my employer had the same issue on a 744F, but there was a kind of cap that was added in place of the winglet as a contingency until the new winglet was fitted. this picture at least looks like it is simply unscrewed & left that way , must add drag surely.
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:45 am

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HM7 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF 744ER VH-OEE is currently operating with one winglet missing

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https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/9 ... 6443376640


Does anyone know why?


Surprised they operate it this way, my employer had the same issue on a 744F, but there was a kind of cap that was added in place of the winglet as a contingency until the new winglet was fitted. this picture at least looks like it is simply unscrewed & left that way , must add drag surely.


Surprised they didn’t just drive out to the Mojave desert and pick one up :)

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Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:50 am

Hi Folks,would appreciate some advice from the more Informed A Netter's

CI 051 flew over my residence this morning on approach to 16 R and I was stunned by the noise generated on its approach.
I regularly get ANZ's 777's and 787's in addition to LATAM's 787's and the "noise" is nowhere as loud as CI's.
Is it the engine or the prevailing wind conditions that amplify the sound at ground level?
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:10 am

For the spotters, I've managed to find the following re Friday's delivery of Indigenous-liveried B789 VH-ZND (times are local and, obviously, subject to change):

* QF6026 PAE-ASP arrives at 0615;
* QF6627 operates ASP-ASP, departing 0845 and arriving at 0945;
* QF6628 ASP-SYD departs 1015, arrives 1435; and
* QF6628 continues SYD-MEL, departing 1535, arriving 1710.

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Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:13 am

325i wrote:
Hi Folks,would appreciate some advice from the more Informed A Netter's

CI 051 flew over my residence this morning on approach to 16 R and I was stunned by the noise generated on its approach.
I regularly get ANZ's 777's and 787's in addition to LATAM's 787's and the "noise" is nowhere as loud as CI's.
Is it the engine or the prevailing wind conditions that amplify the sound at ground level?
Boy those planes look impressive when looking skywards.
Cheers,325i.
p.s. The aircraft was their lares addition, the A350.


Someone correct me if im wrong but the wind condition at the time determines the power setting due a/c need to maintain a certain approach speed. Once i was flying on a A332 landing in mel with some 30k headwind, we basically glided onto the run way - the cabin was eerily quiet.
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:20 am

Any info on the exact date of the TG 359's expected sometime in March for Sydney?
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:30 am

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For the spotters, I've managed to find the following re Friday's delivery of Indigenous-liveried B789 VH-ZND (times are local and, obviously, subject to change):

* QF6026 PAE-ASP arrives at 0615;
* QF6627 operates ASP-ASP, departing 0845 and arriving at 0945;
* QF6628 ASP-SYD departs 1015, arrives 1435; and
* QF6628 continues SYD-MEL, departing 1535, arriving 1710


Is there a confirmed entry into service date?

I'm flying QF776 (scheduled as a 789) on Sunday and was desperately hoping to get this bird but I know it's a minuscule chance.
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:39 am

ben175 wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
For the spotters, I've managed to find the following re Friday's delivery of Indigenous-liveried B789 VH-ZND (times are local and, obviously, subject to change):

* QF6026 PAE-ASP arrives at 0615;
* QF6627 operates ASP-ASP, departing 0845 and arriving at 0945;
* QF6628 ASP-SYD departs 1015, arrives 1435; and
* QF6628 continues SYD-MEL, departing 1535, arriving 1710


Is there a confirmed entry into service date?

I'm flying QF776 (scheduled as a 789) on Sunday and was desperately hoping to get this bird but I know it's a minuscule chance.


ZNB was 5 days after delivery to MEL and ZNC was 6 days after delivery so you might miss out unless the ASP delivery flight changes things for QF.

Note: not counting ZNA as that went on tour!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:35 am

QF566 PER-SYD returned to PER about an hour after departure due to a warning light indication turning on in the cockpit. Passengers have been accommodated in PER overnight

https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/air- ... b88759124z
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ATSB releases final report into a Jetstar from 27 October 17 which ingested a foreign object in the left engine, VH-VGY was being prepared for a flight AKL-SYD at the time, the foreign object being a clipboard being left in the engine cowling

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Lets use the exact words:
"may be forced to reduce the frequency of, downgauge or potentially cancel its A380 service between Sydney and Dallas/Fort Worth"
Cancellation is the third of these options. Capacity cuts are the first and second options.....


Yes but don't ever expect the media to say "Qantas might not fly SYD-DFW daily" when they can scream "QANTAS TO AXE SYD-DFW AIRBUS A380!" LOL
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:20 pm

Virgin Australia to launch daily SYD-HKG A330 flights from mid-2018
https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:48 pm

Virgin announces a $4.4 million after tax profit, underlying profit before tax of $102.5 million

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 4z22j.html
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:12 pm

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Virgin Australia to launch daily SYD-HKG A330 flights from mid-2018
https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero


Interesting to see they were able to get consistent HKG slots. Can the SYD-HKG market really cope with 1x A380, 2x A330 and 3x 777?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:31 pm

Apart from VA Domestic, those results are embarrassing. VA can barely make a cent on international flying.

JBusworth wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin Australia to launch daily SYD-HKG A330 flights from mid-2018
https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero


Interesting to see they were able to get consistent HKG slots. Can the SYD-HKG market really cope with 1x A380, 2x A330 and 3x 777?


Prices are still depressed from all the capacity CX and QF have added over the past few years.

Kudos for VA for trying, however I still feel like management are just throwing darts on board hoping something sticks.
I'm that bad type.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:45 pm

One of the main reasons why VA is flying the MEL/SYD-HKG route is because the bilaterals on the HKG end is full, thus no room for HX to fly to the "big 4" in their own right. It is effectively a VA/HX JV.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:55 pm

CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin Australia to launch daily SYD-HKG A330 flights from mid-2018
https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero


You would of thought they might of sorted out their transcon flights first. New 737 product?
Just handed a bucket load business customers over the flying kangaroo....cos I know which business class I would prefer on a midnight horror in particular.

Funny as i had to call virgin about a flight and they asked if i was changing because the aircraft was changed from a330 to 737 (which it wasnt). Apparently its common issue even offered to look for a flight with an a330 on it. So kind of sounded to me there are some unhappy bunnies
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:44 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin Australia to launch daily SYD-HKG A330 flights from mid-2018
https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero


this is again going to have VA caught between two different masters to a degree.

the connection outbound from Australia on VA's flight to connect to VS' HKG-LHR flight is a bit of a wait in HKG, but they are at the mercy of the slots they've received, and also, if they move it any later, then they'll assist any LHR bound travellers, but lose any connections to China, Taipei etc on HX.

The connection going from LHR to Australia via HKG from VS to VA is a pretty good connection however, so it definitely works in that direction (and works for HX connections too).

Ideally, once VA have their codeshare on the VS HKG-LHR flight, they should ideally (in a perfect world), have the ability to book a VA fare to LHR (via SIN or via AUH), and then have it combinable with the via HKG fare on the way back, that would remove the un-necessary wait on the outbound.
There is history with this, VA fares used to be combinable, approx 5 or 6 years ago with codeshare on EY one way, and on SQ the other, but then they split it so had to be on the same airline in both directions.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:59 am

JB says VA’s performance on MEL-HKG is an indicator on the success on how SYD-HKG will perform

Still planning on having a flight to China

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:30 am

sq256 wrote:
One of the main reasons why VA is flying the MEL/SYD-HKG route is because the bilaterals on the HKG end is full, thus no room for HX to fly to the "big 4" in their own right. It is effectively a VA/HX JV.


Its not like VA are filling their MEL-HKG flights.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2018

Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:01 am

qf789 wrote:
JB says VA’s performance on MEL-HKG is an indicator on the success on how SYD-HKG will perform

Still planning on having a flight to China

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero


Well MEL-HKG can't be that successful if they scale it back from daily to 5pw and throw daily at SYD instead. But they will also have data on how many pax connect from SYD through MEL nowadays, so they will obviously go direct in the future.

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