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Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:27 pm

Launched in 2008, the SAS has become a key world event for orders, both civilian & military. The SAS boasts it is the biggest in Asia & seems to position itself well for the future since Asia is the continent to have most of the world's aviation growth. Good article :
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... -next-week

So questions :

1. Is that position as No.1 tenable in the long term with both the Dubai Air Show ( technically also in Asia ) & China's Zhuhai Air Show which could contend that position anytime if they so choose, considering China is Asia's aviation behemoth ?

2. There have been rumours of a large SIA order for Airbus, the one after which Leahy would retire at last, based on a simple argument of arithmetic parity : as SIA has always had a 50/50 parity for both OEMs, their 2017 order for 39 Boeing WBs needs now to be counterbalanced in favour of the Europeans. All detailed with interesting graphics here
https://crucialperspective.com/singapor ... ng-airbus/

3. More seriously, what are SIA fleet requirements for say, the next decade ? for SQ, Silk Air & Scoot ?

4. What other orders & announcements should we be expecting ? By what airlines ?
( TG was considering a mega order at some point this year )

5. Singapore Airshow Will See Impact of "Disruptive Technologies" : really ?
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... chnologies
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:36 pm

The Singapore Air Show official page :
https://www.singaporeairshow.com/public/

Professional page :
https://www.singaporeairshow.com/trade/
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:04 pm

2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.

3. Singapore Airlines group has already more aircraft on order than it's current fleet and that with some brand new aircraft already flying. If they buy more they will be growing fast (more than 10%).
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:13 pm

Would be a nice opportunity to add an A380 top up for SQ
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:17 pm

Is this event officially Mr Leahy's good bye or is it going to be a 'long good bye'?
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:45 pm

I expect Leahy to bade farewell "comme il faut" days before leaving.
Observers & myself expect that to happen this month or March : his successor is already named & appointed.
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:26 am

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2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.

3. Singapore Airlines group has already more aircraft on order than it's current fleet and that with some brand new aircraft already flying. If they buy more they will be growing fast (more than 10%).

But why would SQ need the A35K if they already have the 777X? I just don't see them ordering any more aircrafts since they already have pretty big order book. However, if SQ really wants to do the 50/50, I think they will get more A380s or the A350-900
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:08 am

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mig17 wrote:
2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.

3. Singapore Airlines group has already more aircraft on order than it's current fleet and that with some brand new aircraft already flying. If they buy more they will be growing fast (more than 10%).

But why would SQ need the A35K if they already have the 777X? I just don't see them ordering any more aircrafts since they already have pretty big order book. However, if SQ really wants to do the 50/50, I think they will get more A380s or the A350-900

It's not necessarily SQ. The graphs are all about SIA.
How they ventilate that between their 3 airlines is the real question. If they choose to continue the political 50/50 parity.
Because of the new Bill crafted in the US, they cannot go below 50 for Boeing.
Because they fly more aircrafts to the EU, I don't think it is a good idea to go below 50 for Airbus.
Plus SQ have been launch carrier for several landmark Airbus WB models...
We should know in a few days... ;)

PS : why did you launch a mirror thread to this one ? There is no need for 2 threads on the 2018 Singapore Air Show...
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:36 am

Airbus boasts : "Airbus to be the leading exhibitor at Singapore Airshow 2018"
http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/events/s ... -2018.html

On a sidenote, on the importance of military orders & contracts at the Airshow
https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis ... eview.html
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:55 am

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2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.



If they were inclined to exercise conversion options for the A35K, they would have during the last RFP. With more planes on order than planes on property, I don't think they have the appetite for more planes, even for growth.
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:03 am

DWC wrote:
Planeyguy wrote:
mig17 wrote:
2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.

3. Singapore Airlines group has already more aircraft on order than it's current fleet and that with some brand new aircraft already flying. If they buy more they will be growing fast (more than 10%).

But why would SQ need the A35K if they already have the 777X? I just don't see them ordering any more aircrafts since they already have pretty big order book. However, if SQ really wants to do the 50/50, I think they will get more A380s or the A350-900

It's not necessarily SQ. The graphs are all about SIA.
How they ventilate that between their 3 airlines is the real question. If they choose to continue the political 50/50 parity.
Because of the new Bill crafted in the US, they cannot go below 50 for Boeing.
Because they fly more aircrafts to the EU, I don't think it is a good idea to go below 50 for Airbus.
Plus SQ have been launch carrier for several landmark Airbus WB models...
We should know in a few days... ;)

PS : why did you launch a mirror thread to this one ? There is no need for 2 threads on the 2018 Singapore Air Show...

My thread is more for orders. I thought you created this thread to ask questions... I can lock mine if you want
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:07 am

Planeyguy wrote:
DWC wrote:
PS : why did you launch a mirror thread to this one ? There is no need for 2 threads on the 2018 Singapore Air Show...

My thread is more for orders. I thought you created this thread to ask questions... I can lock mine if you want

Orders make two of my questions.
Air Shows are not just about orders, they tell about regional growth & airline ambitions, so expanded the topic a little ;)

Plus the Airbus newsroom title may suggest Airbus want to score big, Leahy is leaving after all, his last show...
http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/events/s ... -2018.html
 
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:38 am

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How they ventilate that between their 3 airlines is the real question. If they choose to continue the political 50/50 parity.
Because of the new Bill crafted in the US, they cannot go below 50 for Boeing.


What new bill? Do you have the number?

I happened across a beautiful picture of Singapore today on Boeing's homepage. http://www.boeing.com/
 
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:58 pm

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What new bill? Do you have the number?
I happened across a beautiful picture of Singapore today on Boeing's homepage. http://www.boeing.com/

I am sure Boeing should do well in Asia too ;)

As to the bill being studied ( not passed yet ), my memory fails me as to the specifics, but had to do with a recent discussion in the last months here on a-net, on new enforcements being developped for some countries not served by a US airline : that UA serves SIN saved Singapore. Might have been openskies or something.
Point is SIA wouldn't want to give more weight to those backing it by unduly tilting their orders in favour of Airbus, perhaps their ordering Boeings first in 2017 was also done in that line of thought.
 
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:54 pm

Planeyguy wrote:
mig17 wrote:
2. Firming the 16 options for A350 would do the trick. 16 A35K plus some conversion, like 14, from the 49 A359 to A35K.

3. Singapore Airlines group has already more aircraft on order than it's current fleet and that with some brand new aircraft already flying. If they buy more they will be growing fast (more than 10%).

But why would SQ need the A35K if they already have the 777X? I just don't see them ordering any more aircrafts since they already have pretty big order book. However, if SQ really wants to do the 50/50, I think they will get more A380s or the A350-900

A35K is not a new type since they have lots of A359. For now, SQ has only 20 779 on order while they still fly 27 77W. So some of the A359 on order may be to small. It's either they take the A35K or more 779.

But hell yeah if they go for 16 more A380 instead.
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:41 pm

DWC wrote:
2. There have been rumours of a large SIA order for Airbus, the one after which Leahy would retire at last, based on a simple argument of arithmetic parity : as SIA has always had a 50/50 parity for both OEMs, their 2017 order for 39 Boeing WBs needs now to be counterbalanced in favour of the Europeans. All detailed with interesting graphics here
https://crucialperspective.com/singapor ... ng-airbus/

The 2017 Boeing order was a return to parity to 50/50. Before that there was a massive imbalance with the 69 (now 67) A350s on order.
 
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:57 pm

I do think singapore will order further A380's before the A380's day is finally done - maybe 4 to 6 in a few years to maintain a replacement programme. But not anytime soon I wouldn't of thought.
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:31 pm

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I do think singapore will order further A380's before the A380's day is finally done - maybe 4 to 6 in a few years to maintain a replacement programme. But not anytime soon I wouldn't of thought.

I personally doubt it, they own the last 19 frames & unusually for SQ, they show every sign of wanting to use them way past their midlife.
More reasons very well explained here :

SIA expects to continue operating 19 A380s for several more years and is not likely to phase out the type until late next decade. This should give SIA sufficient time to recoup the USD850 million investment.
https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ity-381490


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DWC wrote:
2. There have been rumours of a large SIA order for Airbus, the one after which Leahy would retire at last, based on a simple argument of arithmetic parity : as SIA has always had a 50/50 parity for both OEMs, their 2017 order for 39 Boeing WBs needs now to be counterbalanced in favour of the Europeans. All detailed with interesting graphics here
https://crucialperspective.com/singapor ... ng-airbus/

The 2017 Boeing order was a return to parity to 50/50. Before that there was a massive imbalance with the 69 (now 67) A350s on order.

I don't know if you read the linked article above, but it says the opposite, in bigger & capital letters :

INCLUDING THE NEW BOEING AIRCRAFT ORDER WILL TILT SINGAPORE AIRLINES GROUP’S FLEET STRUCTURE IN FAVOUR OF BOEING, RAISING THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WILL ORDER MORE AIRBUS PLANES NEXT
 
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:36 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
I do think singapore will order further A380's before the A380's day is finally done - maybe 4 to 6 in a few years to maintain a replacement programme. But not anytime soon I wouldn't of thought.

I personally doubt it, they own the last 19 frames & unusually for SQ, they show every sign of wanting to use them way past their midlife.
More reasons very well explained here :

SIA expects to continue operating 19 A380s for several more years and is not likely to phase out the type until late next decade. This should give SIA sufficient time to recoup the USD850 million investment.
https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ity-381490


jeffrey0032j wrote:
DWC wrote:
2. There have been rumours of a large SIA order for Airbus, the one after which Leahy would retire at last, based on a simple argument of arithmetic parity : as SIA has always had a 50/50 parity for both OEMs, their 2017 order for 39 Boeing WBs needs now to be counterbalanced in favour of the Europeans. All detailed with interesting graphics here
https://crucialperspective.com/singapor ... ng-airbus/

The 2017 Boeing order was a return to parity to 50/50. Before that there was a massive imbalance with the 69 (now 67) A350s on order.

I don't know if you read the linked article above, but it says the opposite, in bigger & capital letters :

INCLUDING THE NEW BOEING AIRCRAFT ORDER WILL TILT SINGAPORE AIRLINES GROUP’S FLEET STRUCTURE IN FAVOUR OF BOEING, RAISING THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WILL ORDER MORE AIRBUS PLANES NEXT


Fair comment - i didn't previously know that.

Maybe the NEO then if it ever materialises.
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Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:30 pm

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jeffrey0032j wrote:
The 2017 Boeing order was a return to parity to 50/50. Before that there was a massive imbalance with the 69 (now 67) A350s on order.

I don't know if you read the linked article above, but it says the opposite, in bigger & capital letters :

INCLUDING THE NEW BOEING AIRCRAFT ORDER WILL TILT SINGAPORE AIRLINES GROUP’S FLEET STRUCTURE IN FAVOUR OF BOEING, RAISING THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WILL ORDER MORE AIRBUS PLANES NEXT

I would say that is just the opinion of the article, the fact is before the 2017 Boeing order, it was heavily tilted towards Airbus. So, now it is in balance and I honestly don't see them needing that many planes, so I don't expect any SQ orders.
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:19 am

jeffrey0032j wrote:
DWC wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
The 2017 Boeing order was a return to parity to 50/50. Before that there was a massive imbalance with the 69 (now 67) A350s on order.

I don't know if you read the linked article above, but it says the opposite, in bigger & capital letters :

INCLUDING THE NEW BOEING AIRCRAFT ORDER WILL TILT SINGAPORE AIRLINES GROUP’S FLEET STRUCTURE IN FAVOUR OF BOEING, RAISING THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WILL ORDER MORE AIRBUS PLANES NEXT

I would say that is just the opinion of the article, the fact is before the 2017 Boeing order, it was heavily tilted towards Airbus. So, now it is in balance and I honestly don't see them needing that many planes, so I don't expect any SQ orders.

Negative, assuming the wiki fleet data is correct.
SQ : if you take into account all the frames being replaced by A359s, you basically get what the article says : SQ had an AB/BC parity only until the 787-10 order, so that's 49 Boeing frames more than SQ has Airbus WBs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Airlines_fleet
Scoot (TR) have more AB, but NBs only, so they may match the 20 787s in value : parity again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoot#Fleet
SilkAir (MI) are actually going all Boeing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir#Fleet

So article is correct for both SQ & MI.
Safe to say the next SIA order is for Airbus, discrepancy in $$$ value is in the tune of 50 WBs & 40 NBs : ouch...

As to why so many planes, we must now consider major expansion plans to make for them. Asia is thriving after all...
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:37 am

BOMBARDIER have high expectations for their Q400s & CS300s in Asia & Oceania :

Bombardier Presence at Singapore Airshow Underscores its Significant Momentum in the Asia-Pacific Region
https://www.bombardier.com/en/media/new ... ercom.html
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:48 pm

Perhaps one shouldn't expect too much in civilian orders & MoUs :
Airbus and Boeing are sending the heads of their services divisions to Singapore as they look to increase their presence in the maintenance, repair and operations industry.

But on the sales side, a final push late last year by legendary Airbus commercial sales head John Leahy before he retired has pulled orders forward and is expected to result in a weak start to the year.

“I‘m not expecting much,” DVB Bank’s van Leeuwen said of Singapore Airshow orders. “I wouldn’t be disappointed if there are few orders or if the whole year in 2018 doesn’t bring many orders because this is an industry where there is an eight-year backlog of production.”

The buzz around product launches - a big sales driver at airshows - is expected to be missing at the Singapore event as Boeing’s keenly watched decision on introducing a potential new mid-market airplane is not expected until later in 2018.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sing ... SKBN1FL6OM
 
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LOVE to see some CS series orders for Oceania. Bring it on. Candidates?
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:42 pm

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Route66 wrote:
What new bill? Do you have the number?
I happened across a beautiful picture of Singapore today on Boeing's homepage. http://www.boeing.com/

I am sure Boeing should do well in Asia too ;)

As to the bill being studied ( not passed yet ), my memory fails me as to the specifics, but had to do with a recent discussion in the last months here on a-net, on new enforcements being developped for some countries not served by a US airline : that UA serves SIN saved Singapore. Might have been openskies or something.
Point is SIA wouldn't want to give more weight to those backing it by unduly tilting their orders in favour of Airbus, perhaps their ordering Boeings first in 2017 was also done in that line of thought.



I doubt very much that Singapore is weighing a rumor on Anet with any seriousness. I am discovering that if you read anything here of any political ramification - it probably has little truth.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:01 am

The Portuguese/Australian company SkyTech signed a intention order of 6 Embraer KC390 today.

Source: Embraer
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:28 am

Here are some recent announcements.

-GE Aviation will invest S$42 million ($31.8 million) in a new facility located in Singapore to manufacture components for its GE9X engine that will power Boeing's 777X aircraft. The new 50,000 sq. ft. facility will be located at the Seletar Aerospace Park and produce high pressure compressor vanes. The facility is expected to open in late 2018 with an initial workforce of 20 employees and could grow to employ about 100 skilled technicians and engineers by 2020.

-ST Aerospace secured a 5-year exclusive MD-11 heavy maintenance support contract worth $30 million from Lufthansa Cargo. With the agreement, ST Aerospace will become the sole service provider supporting Lufthansa Cargo’s MD-11 fleet in both light and heavy C-checks starting from 2019. ST Aerospace has been supporting Lufthansa Cargo in heavy C-checks for its MD-11 fleet since 2014.

-AerCap selected the GEnx-1B engine to power its 15 Boeing 787s with the option to purchase 10 additional aircraft. The engine order is valued at more than $780 million at list prices and increases AerCap’s GEnx-powered 787 fleet to 49 firm aircraft.

-ICAO Council president Olumuyiwa Benard Aliu formalized a new MOU between ICAO and Singapore for a new five-year, $6 million program, which will see 40 new scholarships and 600 new fellowships made available to young up-and-coming aviation professionals.

Source: http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engines/s ... feb-5-2018
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:19 am

Vistara may buy up to 60 NEO or MAX.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nst-boeing
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:30 am

A Korean Air Force's Black Eagles plane have just skidded off a runaway during takeoff!
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/si ... at-9932322
 
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Swiss has selected PW1100G engines to power its A320neo fleet.

http://newsroom.pw.utc.com/2018-02-06-S ... o-Aircraft
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And P&W sings a 15-year EngineWise fleet management agreement with Turkish Airlines.

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Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:21 am

Royal Brunei signed up CFM for their 7 A320neo on delivery end of their years. Read at their official IG account.
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Boeing has announced nearly $1 billion in service orders

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-02-06- ... re-Airshow
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:48 am

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And P&W sings a 15-year EngineWise fleet management agreement with Turkish Airlines.

http://newsroom.pw.utc.com/2018-02-06-P ... h-Airlines


TK is basically paying itself.
P&W and Turkish Technic since 2009 are 50/50 partners in Turkish Engine Center and last year they announced it would add GTF capability to the portfolio.
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chiad wrote:
Vistara may buy up to 60 NEO or MAX.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nst-boeing

Vistara will be operating 20 A320 ceo&neo by mid-year : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistara#Fleet
I don't know how seriously is Vistara considering a split fleet, but other than fleet commonality & considering SIA's SilkAir is going all Boeing, I could see an additional argument for SIA pushing for an A320 deal to make for SIA's marked present tilt towards Boeing orders (see #21)

On a sidenote, that article also says :
1. Budget operators IndiGo, run by InterGlobe Aviation Ltd., and SpiceJet Ltd. are now exploring the low-cost, long-haul model, which would need widebody aircraft on top of the more than 500 single-aisle jets already on order from them.

2. Jet Airways India Ltd. is also in talks to buy as many as 100 narrowbody jets.

3. Airbus’s new sales chief Eric Schulz said Tuesday in Singapore that the order book for its narrowbodies is “forcing” the planemaker to look at how it can raise production rates for the A320 above the 60 planes a month target by mid-2019.

4. The three Gulf carriers combined have about an 18 percent market share in India.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:05 pm

Airbus doesn't seem over confident on A380 prospects:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ng-445614/

Now that another Emirates follow-on deal is secured, Eric Schulz – head of sales, marketing and contracts at Airbus's commercial aircraft division – expects that further orders will come from the customer base.

"I was talking to a couple of customers who are still interested about the A380 and I believe that the door will continue to be open on some specific markets where growth is a big issue with restricted airspace, restricted airports," he says. "I think we continue to have some opportunities."

While he plays down the prospect of any large orders, he says the volume "will be probably sustainable and help us to continue the programme".
 
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Perhaps one shouldn't expect too much in civilian orders & MoUs :


Singapore Air Show has always been a bit of a low key event. Paris and Dubai are the air shows where big orders are being announced.
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:45 pm

BOC Aviation orders 12 shipsets of Pratt & Whitney GTF engines:

http://www.mrobusinesstoday.com/boc-avi ... raft-fleet
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:42 pm

Still waiting on Malaysia Airlines to firm their 787s...
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:57 pm

Aircalin Selects Pratt & Whitney Geared Turbofan™ Engines for Airbus A320neo Aircraft Order:

http://newsroom.aviator.aero/aircalin-s ... aft-order/
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:28 pm

Royal Brunei selects LEAP-1A engine for new A320neos:

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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:53 pm

Looks mostly like an engine show, up to now…
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:17 pm

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A Korean Air Force's Black Eagles plane have just skidded off a runaway during takeoff!
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/si ... at-9932322

Wow lucky the pilot got out alive, why is it that every video of aircraft on fire video that shows the emergency vehicles and fire trucks arriving to the scene they take forever to find the right spot for the nozzle to spray on the actual fire as opposed to right in front of the truck as if its pissing?
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:00 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Singapore Air Show has always been a bit of a low key event. Paris and Dubai are the air shows where big orders are being announced.

Absolutely !
I was actually expecting that big Asian order rumour to materialize, or some other panache order for Leahy's last show.
The article below adds how the Singapore Air Show is ill-timed & ignored by most airlines, even SIA & Boeing are not playing ball...
Main points :
  • Singapore has the disadvantage of taking place less than four months after Dubai. It is also early in the year, when order activity is generally low.
  • The Singapore Airshow will be Mr Leahy's last public appearance. Announcing the Emirates order would have made for a nice farewell party for Mr Leahy. However, Emirates and the Gulf carriers typically do not use the Singapore Airshow to make a splash.
  • Several Southeast Asian airlines always attend Singapore Airshow along with some airlines from other parts of Asia. However, the Singapore Airshow has not typically attracted airlines from outside Asia as is the case with Dubai, Farnborough and Paris.
  • Several airlines from the region are also not generally interested in airshow announcements. For example Singapore Airlines (SIA) never places orders at the Singapore Airshow - or any other show.
  • SIA and Boeing are not even using the show to showcase the 787-10, which will be delivered to launch customer SIA in Mar-2018.
  • Boeing also did not bring the 737 MAX 9 although the type is about to enter service and has a Southeast Asian launch customer (Indonesia's Lion Air). Lion already operates the 737 MAX 8 as does SIA regional subsidiary SilkAir and Garuda Indonesia.
  • The major manufacturers have relatively few sales campaigns close to conclusion, having ended 2017 with a flurry of orders following a relatively quiet year. Boeing pulled in orders for 265 aircraft in Dec-2017, while Airbus logged 841 orders in the month – better than three quarters of its deals for the year.
https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ket-396394
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:40 am

Bangkok Airways to order 4 ATR-72-600

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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:49 am

Elbe Flugzeugwerke (EFW) signed a deal to convert 10 A321s into freighters. Customer is Vallair.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/compani ... ssenger-to

ST Aerospace subsidiary, Elbe Flugzeugwerke (EFW), has landed a contract from Vallair Solutions Sàrl (Vallair) to convert 10 A321-200 passenger aircraft to 14-pallet freighters (P2F).

The first aircraft will be inducted in the last quarter of 2018, scheduled for redelivery by end of 2019. A value for the deal was not revealed.

Gregoire Lebigot, chief executive of aviation company Vallair, said: "We see a huge potential in the A321P2F, not only as a replacement of the B757 freighter, but as a key tool for the cargo industry to achieve the projected growth rate of the air freight market in general - in particular, driven by express services and e-commerce."
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:49 am

DWC wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Singapore Air Show has always been a bit of a low key event. Paris and Dubai are the air shows where big orders are being announced.

Absolutely !
I was actually expecting that big Asian order rumour to materialize, or some other panache order for Leahy's last show.
The article below adds how the Singapore Air Show is ill-timed & ignored by most airlines, even SIA & Boeing are not playing ball...
Main points :
  • Singapore has the disadvantage of taking place less than four months after Dubai. It is also early in the year, when order activity is generally low.
  • The Singapore Airshow will be Mr Leahy's last public appearance. Announcing the Emirates order would have made for a nice farewell party for Mr Leahy. However, Emirates and the Gulf carriers typically do not use the Singapore Airshow to make a splash.
  • Several Southeast Asian airlines always attend Singapore Airshow along with some airlines from other parts of Asia. However, the Singapore Airshow has not typically attracted airlines from outside Asia as is the case with Dubai, Farnborough and Paris.
  • Several airlines from the region are also not generally interested in airshow announcements. For example Singapore Airlines (SIA) never places orders at the Singapore Airshow - or any other show.
  • SIA and Boeing are not even using the show to showcase the 787-10, which will be delivered to launch customer SIA in Mar-2018.
  • Boeing also did not bring the 737 MAX 9 although the type is about to enter service and has a Southeast Asian launch customer (Indonesia's Lion Air). Lion already operates the 737 MAX 8 as does SIA regional subsidiary SilkAir and Garuda Indonesia.
  • The major manufacturers have relatively few sales campaigns close to conclusion, having ended 2017 with a flurry of orders following a relatively quiet year. Boeing pulled in orders for 265 aircraft in Dec-2017, while Airbus logged 841 orders in the month – better than three quarters of its deals for the year.
https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ket-396394


The purpose of the Singapore Airshow has never been to sell planes. It is to establish Singapore as hub for aerospace and help to attract investments. The GE manufacturing site or the EFW contract for the A321 P2F are the type of deals which are normal for this show. I have hardly ever seen a major aircraft purchase announced at the Singapore Airshow. Also there is a lot of defense stuff going on an often that does not lead to big public announcements.
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:35 pm

DWC wrote:
The Singapore Airshow will be Mr Leahy's last public appearance. Announcing the Emirates order would have made for a nice farewell party for Mr Leahy. However, Emirates and the Gulf carriers typically do not use the Singapore Airshow to make a splash.

http://aviationweek.com/singapore-airsh ... tion-rates reports that Leahy retired at the end of January.

We've seen plenty of quotes from Schulz (god I hope I spelled that right) to know he's now on the job.

For instance, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sing ... SKBN1FR144 :

Although Airbus beat Boeing in the order race last year, following a final flurry of business by Schulz’s predecessor, John Leahy, steadying the demand for Airbus wide-body fleet is a priority after Boeing took three in every four orders in 2017.

“This is an area where we have been most challenged...and I would be honest by saying that part of my success will be measured by my ability to change that,” said Schulz.

“The next 24 months, the next three years, are the years when things have to accelerate, that is for the A330neo and the A350-1000,” he said, adding it was common for airlines to wait until jets entered service before making major decisions.

Personally I think they will indeed accelerate.
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:02 pm

AngMoh wrote:
The purpose of the Singapore Airshow has never been to sell planes. It is to establish Singapore as hub for aerospace and help to attract investments. The GE manufacturing site or the EFW contract for the A321 P2F are the type of deals which are normal for this show. I have hardly ever seen a major aircraft purchase announced at the Singapore Airshow. Also there is a lot of defense stuff going on an often that does not lead to big public announcements.

Interesting... Yes, military displays are all over per the Show's official professional page.
That said, I return to my first point in opening post : considering the weight of asian aviation now & specially in the future, there is no reason that the SAS does not become prominent in civilian orders, if not Zhuhai will. The DAS may be technically in Asia but other than the ME3's WBs order race in past years, it is not seen as "asian" by major SE & East asian aviation powers, plus given the size of the Asian market to come, there is room for all these three shows.

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DWC wrote:
The Singapore Airshow will be Mr Leahy's last public appearance. Announcing the Emirates order would have made for a nice farewell party for Mr Leahy. However, Emirates and the Gulf carriers typically do not use the Singapore Airshow to make a splash.

http://aviationweek.com/singapore-airsh ... tion-rates reports that Leahy retired at the end of January.
We've seen plenty of quotes from Schulz (god I hope I spelled that right) to know he's now on the job.

Err... that in particular was actually a quote from my link ;)
Despite contradictory information in the media, it would make sense that he retired :
1. after securing the A380 future inasmuch was possible
2. frees Schulz' aura & authority from the patriarch's shadow looming behind... ( and you spelt it right, congrats ! ;) )
 
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Re: Singapore Air Show 6-9 FEB 2018

Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:48 pm

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Can't say I was expecting a Twotter order at Singapore. Glad to see another home for a Viking 400, don't know how close they are to running through their white tails.
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