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Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:10 pm
by zeke
I think any ejet/A319 operator is fair game as a good for for the CS300.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:03 pm
by Arion640
Kadish wrote:
My bet is IAG, I see the CS opening new routes in Africa for IB and BA


BA no longer want anything smaller than a A320 anymore.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:09 pm
by PatrickZ80
Arion640 wrote:
BA no longer want anything smaller than a A320 anymore.


Unless you include BA CityFlyer. However with a fleet of only 21 aircraft (15 E-190s and 6 E-170s) all being fairly new I don't think this order is from BA CityFlyer. That doesn't have to mean we won't see these aircraft on London City airport of course, whoever ordered them may still fly them into that airport. But BA CityFlyer is totally on Embraer and I don't see them changing to Bombardier.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:12 pm
by devron
Indeed for LOT the order would also be to big, they seem to do small investments and this seems to be working well for them

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:24 pm
by AirbusMDCFAN
New customers could be:

Flypgs - growth in smaller European and Turkish destinations, BH Air- fleet replacement and growth, Blue Panorama - growth, and new base in Italy, Neos- to open new cities and feed their longhaul flights,

For fleet upgrades:

LH group replacing the E195s at Austrian and Air Dolomiti, IAG group replacing some Iberia and BA A319/A320s,

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:29 pm
by YXXMIKE
My bet is on IAG or EasyJet but leaning EasyJet. From memory I believe EZ went to the negotiating table before with BBD two years ago on the lead up to them ordering the NEO (I know somebody will happily correct me if I'm wrong there)? So they know the aircraft and with a support network now built in with a very well known manufacturer in Airbus I'd say this represents a great opportunity to introduce a low risk new aircraft type into their fleet. CS300 could be ideal for cities like GLA which see a lot of 319 service and as another poster mentioned in another forum it could open up some new routes which FR couldn't compete on (e.g. FLR or even LCY with a CS100).

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:39 pm
by talonone
flyingphil wrote:
Maybe a A318 operator ?
Air France, Tarom.. let the guessing game begin..

I am still wondering about the 10 C-Series on order for the crowdfunded airline - Odyssey ?
Supposed to have started operations out of London City.. http://www.flyody.com/
Anyone heard anything more about them?


Tarom is out of the question. A state company runned straight in to the ground by politicians. No dice with them.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:44 pm
by Arion640
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
BA no longer want anything smaller than a A320 anymore.


Unless you include BA CityFlyer. However with a fleet of only 21 aircraft (15 E-190s and 6 E-170s) all being fairly new I don't think this order is from BA CityFlyer. That doesn't have to mean we won't see these aircraft on London City airport of course, whoever ordered them may still fly them into that airport. But BA CityFlyer is totally on Embraer and I don't see them changing to Bombardier.


No of course it doesn’t mean you won’t ever see them at BACF, however some reference on this forum BA would seek an A319 replacement with the C Series.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:03 pm
by flyingcello
What about Easyjet? They were mentioned a few years back as being interested in the C-series. They've moved from the A319 to A320, reputedly because the cost of operating the A320 is almost the same as for the A319. So they effectively got 'free' capacity by upgrading. However, the C-series would fill the gap where the market can't support a 320. And 30 seems a reasonable number...

Edited, as I've just seen YYXMIKE's post above...I'm with him!

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:04 pm
by 9252fly
There are numerous possibilities,if I had to pick one...AF.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:10 pm
by VSMUT
shamrock350 wrote:
Aer Lingus...


You have some compelling reasons, but this LOI was for 30 to 60 aircraft. It just seems a tad on the big size for them, doesn't it?

OA940 wrote:
SAS, as we all know, has its 11 ageing 737-600's which they wanna replace with the A320neo, but it's a lot of extra capacity. They also have 28 737-700's which are also getting old, which they also wanna replace with the A320neo, but again, that's a quite the leap in capacity. So a mixed order would also make sense here.

Volotea has 28 planes in its fleet (17 717's and 11 A319's), with another 4 A319's on order. Both types are around 13-15 years of age, and we all know LCC's retire their planes earlier than other carriers, so a mixed fleet would make sense in terms of capacity and commonality for Volotea. It would also leave a bit of room for expansion.


Slash787 wrote:
I put my bet on SAS


LA704 wrote:
Did we mention the unlikely but possible SAS, Finnair and Aegean yet?


SAS just made the decision to replace all remaining 737s with 50 more A320NEO, and either way, 30+30 was a wrong number for SAS (even more so in the light of last weeks A320NEO decision). And besides, they already stated that anything smaller than the A320 will be contractor operated in the future, so if they were to make the decision, look for someone like CityJet, FlyBe or Air Nostrum to order them, not SAS.

Finnair seems unlikely, they have just 8 A319s and 10 A320s.

Aegean only has 1 A319. An order for them would have to replace a large number of 174 seat A320s too.

Volotea could be it, they have the right amount of right sized aircraft for this to be likely. As a low cost airline, launching an expansion that will double the fleet size doesn't seem so fetched.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:52 pm
by Andy33
YXXMIKE wrote:
My bet is on IAG or EasyJet but leaning EasyJet. From memory I believe EZ went to the negotiating table before with BBD two years ago on the lead up to them ordering the NEO (I know somebody will happily correct me if I'm wrong there)? So they know the aircraft and with a support network now built in with a very well known manufacturer in Airbus I'd say this represents a great opportunity to introduce a low risk new aircraft type into their fleet. CS300 could be ideal for cities like GLA which see a lot of 319 service and as another poster mentioned in another forum it could open up some new routes which FR couldn't compete on (e.g. FLR or even LCY with a CS100).

Possible, but EasyJet already has 143 A320s and 30 A321s on firm order, plus options for a further 136. There are just 133 A319s in the three EasyJet fleets, and the newest are just 7 years old so they could be used to destinations like FLR for quite a while before there was any actual need for replacement, EasyJet tend to replace at around age 14.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:42 pm
by OA940
LA704 wrote:
Did we mention the unlikely but possible SAS, Finnair and Aegean yet?


It's not Aegean. They will replace their fleet with the neo or MAX.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:53 pm
by Slash787
There are chances of Volotea, I have a few "friends" or well Ex Colleagues flying for Volotea, but I doubt they would know anything.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:15 pm
by opticalilyushin
Flybe to make an announcement tomorrow, apparantly. It could be unrelated, but the current CEO is well known for her erm..Q400-phobia.. and the airline has been speaking to manufacturers

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:18 pm
by Arion640
opticalilyushin wrote:
Flybe to make an announcement tomorrow, apparantly. It could be unrelated, but the current CEO is well known for her erm..Q400-phobia.. and the airline has been speaking to manufacturers


Interesting, where did you hear this information?

I know a few people who will avoid flybe because of the Q400. If I did expect flybe to swap out the Q400 for something though I'd expect them to go for ATR.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:27 pm
by opticalilyushin
ATR would be likely, but the airline now allows flights to be overbooked as the CEO wanted to prove the case for a larger aircraft. It was also suggested keeping a small number of props for shorter routes and replacing the others with jets.

Personally i like the Q400 for the speed, though i prefer the interior of the new ATR -600 series props.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:43 pm
by ahj2000
What about be Meridiana? Qatar has spoken of growing them, and some CSeries would work well along side the 7M8 which they have 20 of on ordet

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:10 pm
by cschleic
Maybe a leasing entity? With Airbus in the picture and the program more stable now, leasing companies could be more inclined to get involved.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:10 pm
by nicode
Do we know how much CS100 and 300 are in the 31 firm order ?

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:44 pm
by PigScroll
Jerry123 wrote:
zeke wrote:
I think Widerøe, Flybe, Air France/Cityjet, and LOT would be good candidates.

If Flybe do order more jets in the future i believe they'll be E175s or maybe the E190 e2. They are about the right size jet for them and what they do and i don't believe they'd put in a big order probably 10 or 12 with the option of 10 or 12 in the future.


Flybe have previously deferred and canceled E jet orders because they were "too expensive to operate". They are also looking for Q400 replacements, and another Bombardier aircraft could be logical for them.
TAP Portugal has a lot of old-ish A319s - this could be good for them, especially for routes to Portuguese islands such as Madeira and the Azores, and European flights from Lisbon and Porto.
Aer Lingus could also be a logical customer, as well as Aegean, as well as WizzAir, and a lot of others, actually.
Iberia and British Airways may also be well suited.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:02 pm
by Jerry123
PigScroll wrote:
Jerry123 wrote:
zeke wrote:
I think Widerøe, Flybe, Air France/Cityjet, and LOT would be good candidates.

If Flybe do order more jets in the future i believe they'll be E175s or maybe the E190 e2. They are about the right size jet for them and what they do and i don't believe they'd put in a big order probably 10 or 12 with the option of 10 or 12 in the future.


Flybe have previously deferred and canceled E jet orders because they were "too expensive to operate". They are also looking for Q400 replacements, and another Bombardier aircraft could be logical for them.
TAP Portugal has a lot of old-ish A319s - this could be good for them, especially for routes to Portuguese islands such as Madeira and the Azores, and European flights from Lisbon and Porto.
Aer Lingus could also be a logical customer, as well as Aegean, as well as WizzAir, and a lot of others, actually.
Iberia and British Airways may also be well suited.

Big upgrade in seats for Flybe from Q400s to CS100. Also wasn't it the E195s that were to expensive not the E175s?

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:08 pm
by LockheedBBD
Jerry123 wrote:
Big upgrade in seats for Flybe from Q400s to CS100. Also wasn't it the E195s that were to expensive not the E175s?


I think the E2s could still be in the picture. The improvements most likely have fixed or improved the operating costs compared to the old E1s.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:47 pm
by caaardiff
133 seats seems a lot for Flybe. Unless they are looking to push the regional market. The E195's weren't economical, but I was always puzzled why they went for the E75 and not cheaper E195's. The E75 capacity isn't much more than the Q400, with the latter being able to cover most 1.5hr flights, even the 2 hour on some routes!
If it were to happen I can see the Embraers being transferred to Stobart or other BE Franchises, the Q400's to be replaced on the busier shorter routes, more economical flying to the longer routes they serve and new routes and markets previously not operated such as Greece, Croatia, Bulgaria, North Africa.
BE seems to have been going through a tough time with financial issues, route cuts, expensive aircraft returned and 2nd hand taken on. The regional market is tough, but so is the low cost market.
It looks like BE will have 19 jets in the fleet once the others have left or tranferred to Stobart, and new E75's have been delivered. The last 4 new E75's aren't due until 2019
The biggest question is, can BE afford it?

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:07 pm
by george77300
IAG has been mentioned a lot but it won’t be them. Not for BA, Iberia, Aer Lingus or Vueling. IAG announce orders far in advance and they have confirmed all fleets until mid 2020s along with all orders. They have a load of neos coming starting March 2018. They won’t be ordering these C Series.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:44 pm
by Airdolomiti
I seem to remember initial reports on this LOI mentioning that it would be a new customer for BBD altogether, as opposed to just a new CS customer. If that is indeed the case, it world rule out existing Dash 8/CRJ operators (at least those that previously ordered directly from BBD), as well as any top-up orders.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:43 am
by hispanola
Here's how (I myself) think an IAG order would be used: IB could use the CSeries aircraft for the same role that the MD-87s played a while back. This would allow them to move some A320 family aircraft over to I2, and replace YW on some busy regional routes to allow their Iberia Regional brand to enter new markets. All of the remaining planes from that order could be split between EI (who could benefit from an aircraft between the ATR-72 and A320) and perhaps BA for their shorter routes. Both BA and VY seem pretty set on the A320, however, which makes the idea of such a large order from IAG quite difficult to believe.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:03 am
by Jerry123
LockheedBBD wrote:
Jerry123 wrote:
Big upgrade in seats for Flybe from Q400s to CS100. Also wasn't it the E195s that were to expensive not the E175s?


I think the E2s could still be in the picture. The improvements most likely have fixed or improved the operating costs compared to the old E1s.

Yes they seem to be the right fit for them. Plus Flybe i don't think need the upheaval of introducing a new type as well.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:11 am
by Jerry123
caaardiff wrote:
133 seats seems a lot for Flybe. Unless they are looking to push the regional market. The E195's weren't economical, but I was always puzzled why they went for the E75 and not cheaper E195's. The E75 capacity isn't much more than the Q400, with the latter being able to cover most 1.5hr flights, even the 2 hour on some routes!
If it were to happen I can see the Embraers being transferred to Stobart or other BE Franchises, the Q400's to be replaced on the busier shorter routes, more economical flying to the longer routes they serve and new routes and markets previously not operated such as Greece, Croatia, Bulgaria, North Africa.
BE seems to have been going through a tough time with financial issues, route cuts, expensive aircraft returned and 2nd hand taken on. The regional market is tough, but so is the low cost market.
It looks like BE will have 19 jets in the fleet once the others have left or tranferred to Stobart, and new E75's have been delivered. The last 4 new E75's aren't due until 2019
The biggest question is, can BE afford it?

I don't think they'd get problems getting finance but they would have to avoid expensive leases. Stobarts have their own leasing company so maybe they can do a deal with them. If they do put in an order i could see more jets on the European routes from BHX and MAN with the likes of AMS going all jet leaving the Q400s for domestic and then more leisure routes out of the likes of CWL EXT and SOU. I think for Flybe an order of 10 or 12 E190 e2 jets would be the right size.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:39 am
by angelopga
I will put my money on Portugalia Airlines and TAP - Air Portugal to replace the Ejet fleet + TP A319's. This will leave the TAP "group" fleet as:

CS fleet - operated by Portugalia
ATR - operated by White
Airbus (32S fleet + 330 fleet) - TAP mainline

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:12 am
by columba
LaunchDetected wrote:

My bet is on Eurowings, a lot of A319, but not so old...


My hope is for Germania to become the inofficial successor of Air Berlin and start more direction from Berlin with CSeries and A320Neos -unlikely but you are allowed to dream and hope ;-)

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:44 am
by opticalilyushin
Flybe's problem with the Embraers was not so much the day to day running costs, but more the horrendously expensive leases they got on them when they were delivered. That is why they desperately want rid of the 195s. Alas even the 'new' 2nd hand ex-Republic Q400s aren't always behsving themselves, so Flybe needs to do something.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:03 am
by Jomar777
Loew wrote:
There is a small chance this could be TAP Air Portugal, as they have some 20 A319s most of which are around 20 years old, as well as few A320s which are almost 20 years old too.


Definitely not TAP. They will order A320neos as replacements and, if needing a smaller aircraft, will go for E2s.

I am also not sure it is AF either because their A318/319s are still relatively young. They may consider a replacement for them in future so, even if we see a C-Series order from them, it is a future one, not a present LOI. Although this would only go ahead if Airbus pushes those rather than BBD (in case the JV is cancelled given that BBD won the US Trade Dispute). HOP operates E-Series.

I think the most likely destination of those are an EU Leasing Company or a Charter. BA/IAG will not take them with their A319s being replaced either by A320neos or maybe E2s since they are happy with their present EMB fleet.

The one that might consider them is LOT and a LOI now (for a posterior conversion in a firm order) may sound feasible for them.

SAS (through Lufthansa) may be a possible bet too.

Or, as mentioned before, the LOI is "empty" and will simply not materialize - in this case, we will never know who was behind (if anyone...).

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:02 pm
by VSMUT
Jomar777 wrote:
I am also not sure it is AF either because their A318/319s are still relatively young. They may consider a replacement for them in future so, even if we see a C-Series order from them, it is a future one, not a present LOI. Although this would only go ahead if Airbus pushes those rather than BBD (in case the JV is cancelled given that BBD won the US Trade Dispute). HOP operates E-Series.


The oldest Air France A319s are 21 years old now, and the first A318s are 15 years. Thats anything but relatively young.

Jomar777 wrote:
SAS (through Lufthansa) may be a possible bet too.


Why would SAS order through Lufthansa?

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:01 pm
by Jerry123
opticalilyushin wrote:
Flybe's problem with the Embraers was not so much the day to day running costs, but more the horrendously expensive leases they got on them when they were delivered. That is why they desperately want rid of the 195s. Alas even the 'new' 2nd hand ex-Republic Q400s aren't always behsving themselves, so Flybe needs to do something.

How many Q400s did they get from Republic?

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:34 pm
by opticalilyushin
15 so far. As for the announcement from flybe, it was something less exciting than a fleet announcement.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:01 pm
by Channex757
Hmmm....that Air Nostrum suggestion above has a lot going for it. Replace older aircraft and grow some routes, and the quote above doesn't specify the size does it? Could be a mixed order of CS1 and CS3

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:14 pm
by LXwing
Jomar777 wrote:
Loew wrote:
There is a small chance this could be TAP Air Portugal, as they have some 20 A319s most of which are around 20 years old, as well as few A320s which are almost 20 years old too.


Definitely not TAP. They will order A320neos as replacements and, if needing a smaller aircraft, will go for E2s.


Agreed, it's certainly not TAP. They already have quite a lot A320/1neos on order for fleet replacement and growth and the older A319s will likely not have a direct replacement. TAP Express are very happy with their recent E190/5s and they might even get a few more used ones (Azul could probably spare a few more E195 soon). An order for E2 E-jets would be far more likely in case they really wanted to replace the A319s in some way or expand the Express brand fleet with new metal. In any case, they would never make an order for 31+30 aircraft, those numberes are way above their fleet needs or financial ability.
I'd put my money on AF or BA being the undisclosed customer for this order.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:28 am
by Loew
LXwing wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
Loew wrote:
There is a small chance this could be TAP Air Portugal, as they have some 20 A319s most of which are around 20 years old, as well as few A320s which are almost 20 years old too.


Definitely not TAP. They will order A320neos as replacements and, if needing a smaller aircraft, will go for E2s.


Agreed, it's certainly not TAP. They already have quite a lot A320/1neos on order for fleet replacement and growth and the older A319s will likely not have a direct replacement. TAP Express are very happy with their recent E190/5s and they might even get a few more used ones (Azul could probably spare a few more E195 soon). An order for E2 E-jets would be far more likely in case they really wanted to replace the A319s in some way or expand the Express brand fleet with new metal. In any case, they would never make an order for 31+30 aircraft, those numberes are way above their fleet needs or financial ability.
I'd put my money on AF or BA being the undisclosed customer for this order.


I stand corrected :)

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:25 pm
by JetBuddy
I still believe it could be Air France. They have a total of 51 A318/A319 in service, and no narrowbody order on the books. The undisclosed order is for 31 firm and 30 options. This fits nicely with A318/A319 replacement.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:59 pm
by flyingphil
Its been interesting reading all the speculation.. however I am beginning to doubt if this undisclosed customer actually exists..

For a start you dont just order a bunch of jets on your credit card..
If it is a public listed company the shareholders, management, board, employees would have known about it.. there would be some reference to yje commitment on its published accounts..
Normally the company would have issued a public RFP Request for Proposals.. and done some sort of evaluation of the product and its competitors..

So let the speculation continue..

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:43 pm
by AirbusCanada
flyingphil wrote:

For a start you dont just order a bunch of jets on your credit card..
If it is a public listed company the shareholders, management, board, employees would have known about it.. there would be some reference to yje commitment on its published accounts..
Normally the company would have issued a public RFP Request for Proposals.. and done some sort of evaluation of the product and its competitors..



True, but this only applies to Public companies. There are no such rules for Private companies.
I presume this might be a privately owned airline.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:58 am
by deltal1011man
flyingphil wrote:
Its been interesting reading all the speculation.. however I am beginning to doubt if this undisclosed customer actually exists..

For a start you dont just order a bunch of jets on your credit card..
If it is a public listed company the shareholders, management, board, employees would have known about it.. there would be some reference to yje commitment on its published accounts..

If it was actually an order this may or may not be true, depending on the customer. Example, you can look at all the undisclosed orders Boeing has on its books.
But it doesn't matter because its not an order but an LOI for an order. There plenty of reasons why airlines do LOI/MOUs and not just order right away. Sometimes one of those reason is waiting for board approval.


As others in this thread have said, we may never know who the LOI belongs to.

flyingphil wrote:
Normally the company would have issued a public RFP Request for Proposals.. and done some sort of evaluation of the product and its competitors..

So let the speculation continue..

sometimes its done in the public sometimes it isn't. That comes down to the management of the airline.

Airline executives and OEM reps talk all the time. OEMs pitch ideas to the airlines all the time. Most of the time it turns into nothing.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:04 am
by wrongwayup
deltal1011man wrote:
Airline executives and OEM reps talk all the time. OEMs pitch ideas to the airlines all the time. Most of the time it turns into nothing.


Literally, ALL. THE. TIME. Meetings, presentations, plant visits, conferences, conferences, emails, lunches, dinners, golf games, etc etc etc. The industry is a lot smaller at the high levels than most people realize.

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:04 pm
by jnev3289
How quickly are any CSeries aircraft being finished and delivered? I feel like there are still so few out there flying today for how long they've been in service

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:37 pm
by Egerton
AirbusCanada wrote:
flyingphil wrote:

For a start you dont just order a bunch of jets on your credit card..
If it is a public listed company the shareholders, management, board, employees would have known about it.. there would be some reference to yje commitment on its published accounts..
Normally the company would have issued a public RFP Request for Proposals.. and done some sort of evaluation of the product and its competitors..



True, but this only applies to Public companies. There are no such rules for Private companies.
I presume this might be a privately owned airline.


I am not sure that every deal is preceded by either a secret or public RFP? Certainly airlines may need to get their finance committee to agree, and perhaps major shareholders before the contract is finally signed. Though not necessarily prior to a public announcement of the deal. Hence the time lag between 'ordering' and 'confirming' in the OEM's list of 'orders'

Re: The undisclosed european CSeries customer

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:49 pm
by Channex757
It could be an airline (like Air Nostrum) that is an existing Bombardier client, and the approach was made on that basis. An unsolicited bid or a direct request, not needing a bid process to be opened to other manufacturers.

If you own an Audi and want another one, you don't start asking for bids from Peugeot and BMW.