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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:35 am

N761CX, an ATI 767-200 dry-leased to Amazon, is done with its HMV at ILN and is back in service as of 11/9/18. ABX and ATI aircraft, including many dry-leased to Amazon, have been rotating through HMVs since mid-Summer 2018. Most were done at ILN, but at least 4 of the ABX 767s were done at GSO (i.e. outsourced to HAECO). In any event, ATI now has the whole fleet in service, ready for Peak.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:06 pm

I have been following this thread since it started (the original started by wjcandee) and it is nice not to see a bunch of bickering and insults. Having said that I will direct this question to wjcandee. Are there any plans being made for an interruption in the movement of goods by UPS? Sounds like they may go on strike. How would this affect the prime operation?
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:04 pm

travaz wrote:
I have been following this thread since it started (the original started by wjcandee) and it is nice not to see a bunch of bickering and insults. Having said that I will direct this question to wjcandee. Are there any plans being made for an interruption in the movement of goods by UPS? Sounds like they may go on strike. How would this affect the prime operation?


Hey, Trav. The UPS parcel drivers approved a contract a couple of weeks ago. The division that is going on strike is the LTL (Less Than Truckload) freight carrier, UPS Freight. This is the former Overnite Transportation, which UPS bought in like 2005 as a response to FedEx buying the LTL carriers Viking Freight and American Freightways a few years earlier. (FedEx Ground, of course, is a massive upgrade of the former RPS, or Roadway Package Service, which was a business-to-business ground parcel carrier that was started by and a division of Roadway Express. FedEx actually acquired related companies Viking and Roberts Express at the same time as RPS, and renamed Roberts as FedEx Custom Critical, because of Roberts's specialized business. They all continue to operate today under their new FedEx name and management.)

So, the immediate effect on Amazon of UPS Freight going down would likely be minimal, at least as far as Amazon-to-customer shipments. However, I suspect that a good deal of product arrives at the DCs on UPS Freight, so that might be an issue. And some LTL stuff might find its way into the parcel carrier networks, which are significantly more expensive, but if it has to get there and can be broken down into shippable quantities, some people will do it out of necessity, if the other LTL carriers are full. Of course, not a good time of year to push more volume onto the parcel carriers. That's when it's nice to have your own organic parcel network to move things between warehouses and the last-mile carrier.

So the effect would be indirect, IMHO.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:37 pm

Thanks for the reply. I was out of the country for a few weeks and I guess I missed the new contract approval. Cheers!
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:01 pm

I'm not sure if it's just seasonal, but it appears Amazon cargo has added a BDL to PDX flight................
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:14 pm

Looks like for Sunday Amazon did SEA-BDL-ONT and SCK-BDL-PDX.

Does anyone know where Amazon parks at BDL? UPS can have 3-4 planes on the ground at times as well as Fedex having 2 flights on the ground and a DHL 762 parking can get a bit tight.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:31 pm

uconn99 wrote:
Looks like for Sunday Amazon did SEA-BDL-ONT and SCK-BDL-PDX.

Does anyone know where Amazon parks at BDL? UPS can have 3-4 planes on the ground at times as well as Fedex having 2 flights on the ground and a DHL 762 parking can get a bit tight.


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Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:55 pm

Amazon leased two more of the Atlas airplanes last week. By my count, that makes 20, so the original lease agreement for 20 ATSG and 20 Atlas is complete.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:38 pm

Correct. There are now 21 conversions on the Atlas side. One is a maintenance spare held by the company.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:14 am

As a followup on the UPS thing that Trav asked about, looks like the UPS Freight division (11,000 folks vs 250,000+ at the parcel division) just ratified a new agreement, so no strike.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:34 pm

wjcandee wrote:
As a followup on the UPS thing that Trav asked about, looks like the UPS Freight division (11,000 folks vs 250,000+ at the parcel division) just ratified a new agreement, so no strike.


So as far as labor wildcards to play during peak (which will be upon us in just a few short days), where are we? Is ABX relatively quiet or are they ready to throw a wrench into the works again this year?

Which reminds me, I need to order 2500 pounds of baking soda. Better get that into the stream before Thanksgiving.
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:21 pm

Neither ABX nor Atlas have new contracts. Both are represented by Teamsters 1224. There is no question in my mind that 1224 will do something. As a practical matter, it has to, because a portion of its members demand that it try to bring pressure by exploiting Peak, no matter how significant the expense and/or repercussions have been or would be for doing so. Most likely, it will be more scary press releases and/or commercials about how "the pilots of Amazon's aircraft" are overworked and underpaid and how Johnny's firetruck might not make it in time for the holidays if you order from Amazon. But they might find some alleged "change in status quo", which was the basis of the ABX walkout last time. It also may be that ABX and/or Atlas pilots refuse to pick up open time, and that ABX pilots dodge answering the phone when called for involuntary overtime, despite the handsome rate at which it is paid there. How much of an effect either of these have on the operation and/or reputation of the carriers remains to be seen.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:23 pm

Confirmed that Amazon will be reopening ILN to handle excess capacity from CVG while their facility is built: https://www.whio.com/business/breaking- ... 3j7vcFf4N/.
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:26 pm

wjcandee wrote:
As a followup on the UPS thing that Trav asked about, looks like the UPS Freight division (11,000 folks vs 250,000+ at the parcel division) just ratified a new agreement, so no strike.


It might be a little off topic but does Amazon use any companies (UPS or FEDEX) to move products via ground? LAS or most of So Cal is a short (5 to 7 hours) to PHX so I am sure a lot of goods get trucked to PHX for delivery.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:30 pm

Looks like RIV-TPA being added..

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI6974
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:34 pm

Pretty obvious that a revived sort of some sort at ILN was going to happen. Obvious need PLUS obvious activity EQUALS likely-it-was-Amazon, although I have to say that ATSG went right to the edge of truthfulness with their "Hey, yeah, I've seen the activity over there too but I don't know what it is" line. I was actually wondering whether it was something as simple as Polaris expanding its on-airport facilities.

I had imagined that Amazon would supplement their existing DHL-operated sort with some kind of pallet/container cross-dock operation at ILN, because installing the equipment to do a highly-automated package-level sort for a couple of years only would be expensive, and while Amazon has lots of money, they have lots of money because they're very careful with their money. It will be interesting to see what they do. Certainly, sorting equipment runs the gamut from highly-automated to largely-manual, the latter of which is relatively-inexpensive as a capital investment but requires many more humans, who have to be available, trained and reliable. In the latter scenario, training and recruiting is a sunk cost in the same way that buying equipment is. One thing the folks in Amazon Logistics are is super-smart, so I can't wait to see what is revealed about how they (and/or their contractor) have solved the problem of inadequate capacity (and times) at DHL.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:40 pm

travaz wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
As a followup on the UPS thing that Trav asked about, looks like the UPS Freight division (11,000 folks vs 250,000+ at the parcel division) just ratified a new agreement, so no strike.


It might be a little off topic but does Amazon use any companies (UPS or FEDEX) to move products via ground? LAS or most of So Cal is a short (5 to 7 hours) to PHX so I am sure a lot of goods get trucked to PHX for delivery.


Amazon has a very-robust contract-trucking network to move parcels from Distribution Centers to Sort Centers, the latter of which are where the parcels are farmed out to the last-mile delivery carriers (AMZL, USPS, OnTrack, Lasership, etc.). Some time-sensitive packages are moved by UPS and FedEx end-to-end, but a huge proportion are now moved by Amazon line-haul from DC to SC, then by Amazon-contracted carrier to the last-mile companies. It's the primary way I get stuff in NYC.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:48 pm

wjcandee wrote:
travaz wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
As a followup on the UPS thing that Trav asked about, looks like the UPS Freight division (11,000 folks vs 250,000+ at the parcel division) just ratified a new agreement, so no strike.


It might be a little off topic but does Amazon use any companies (UPS or FEDEX) to move products via ground? LAS or most of So Cal is a short (5 to 7 hours) to PHX so I am sure a lot of goods get trucked to PHX for delivery.


Amazon has a very-robust contract-trucking network to move parcels from Distribution Centers to Sort Centers, the latter of which are where the parcels are farmed out to the last-mile delivery carriers (AMZL, USPS, OnTrack, Lasership, etc.). Some time-sensitive packages are moved by UPS and FedEx end-to-end, but a huge proportion are now moved by Amazon line-haul from DC to SC, then by Amazon-contracted carrier to the last-mile companies. It's the primary way I get stuff in NYC.


UPS Ground is not very common for me; it usually occurs when an item is shipped from a fulfillment center that is within ground range but not connected to the local sortation center or delivery station. I have never gotten anything via FedEx Ground or FedEx Home Delivery from an Amazon-fulfilled order. However, I do occasionally get UPS 2nd Day or UPS Next Day Air shipments during peak demand times (such as Prime Day or the holiday season), and occasionally (not always) Amazon will use UPS Next Day Air on backordered items that become available again.

However, since I live in Queen Creek, my ZIP code doesn't favor UPS, FedEx, or OnTrac shipments due to the delivery area surcharges, which is likely why most of my shipments go via AMZL or USPS. I know some parts of the Phoenix area OnTrac is a lot more common. I'm not sure why UPS/FedEx/OnTrac still charge a delivery area surcharge for my ZIP code, considering the growth in Queen Creek.
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:52 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Pretty obvious that a revived sort of some sort at ILN was going to happen. Obvious need PLUS obvious activity EQUALS likely-it-was-Amazon, although I have to say that ATSG went right to the edge of truthfulness with their "Hey, yeah, I've seen the activity over there too but I don't know what it is" line. I was actually wondering whether it was something as simple as Polaris expanding its on-airport facilities.

I had imagined that Amazon would supplement their existing DHL-operated sort with some kind of pallet/container cross-dock operation at ILN, because installing the equipment to do a highly-automated package-level sort for a couple of years only would be expensive, and while Amazon has lots of money, they have lots of money because they're very careful with their money. It will be interesting to see what they do. Certainly, sorting equipment runs the gamut from highly-automated to largely-manual, the latter of which is relatively-inexpensive as a capital investment but requires many more humans, who have to be available, trained and reliable. In the latter scenario, training and recruiting is a sunk cost in the same way that buying equipment is. One thing the folks in Amazon Logistics are is super-smart, so I can't wait to see what is revealed about how they (and/or their contractor) have solved the problem of inadequate capacity (and times) at DHL.


I'm pumped to see this, as the move in 2017 was another gut punch the area didn't need.

My concern is it sounds possible that ILN reopening is temporary and, once CVG is done, Wilmington gets the rug yanked out from under it for a third time. Is ILN (again) intended to be a permanent part of the Amazon operation, almost serving as a reliever hub in a way, or is this a stopgap?
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:11 pm

DeltaRules: I can't see it as highly-likely that they would keep an ILN operation around after the Amazon facility is fully-functional at CVG. Of course, who knows when that actually will be?

And there may well be some reason that I'm not thinking of that would support some kind of continued activity at ILN. Frankly, though, IMHO, Ohio and the ILN Airport Board had the opportunity to be the Amazon location, and botched it because they acted like Amazon was dependent on them, rather than the other way around. So Kentucky got the business.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:40 pm

Acey559 wrote:
uconn99 wrote:
Looks like for Sunday Amazon did SEA-BDL-ONT and SCK-BDL-PDX.

Does anyone know where Amazon parks at BDL? UPS can have 3-4 planes on the ground at times as well as Fedex having 2 flights on the ground and a DHL 762 parking can get a bit tight.


We use the air cargo area that’s adjoined to the southeast corner of the terminal ramp.


Is that the former USPS cargo ramp?
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:10 am

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DeltaRules: I can't see it as highly-likely that they would keep an ILN operation around after the Amazon facility is fully-functional at CVG. Of course, who knows when that actually will be?

And there may well be some reason that I'm not thinking of that would support some kind of continued activity at ILN. Frankly, though, IMHO, Ohio and the ILN Airport Board had the opportunity to be the Amazon location, and botched it because they acted like Amazon was dependent on them, rather than the other way around. So Kentucky got the business.


Admittedly, I don't know much about how ATSG/ABX does maintenance, but I've wondered if they might be able to design lines to rotate aircraft into and out of maintenance by using ILN as both a sort and MX stop rather than ferry planes into ILN. I've also heard suggestion that ILN could be the hub for an Amazon night sort even after CVG is up.
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:49 pm

N1487A, one of the Atlas aircraft flying for Amazon Air, did a round-trip yesterday from MIA-LGB and back, with a 9500 flight number. Relief supplies? Qualification flight? Maybe interesting, maybe just a one-off.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:52 pm

DeltaRules: insofar as most of the ABX and ATI aircraft are only being ferried in to ILN for maintenance from CVG, it's not that big a deal and they have been doing it that way for a long, long time. However, a penny saved is a penny saved, and I'm sure that if the requisite aircraft can be routed through ILN on a paid flight and pulled there for maintenance, they would do so, all other things being equal.

This would only be for the ATI and ABX aircraft, which are typically serviced at ILN. (Some have been done at GSO when ILN is too busy.) The Atlas aircraft are primarily getting their HMVs done at Flightstar at VQQ these days.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:22 pm

wjcandee wrote:
N1487A, one of the Atlas aircraft flying for Amazon Air, did a round-trip yesterday from MIA-LGB and back, with a 9500 flight number. Relief supplies? Qualification flight? Maybe interesting, maybe just a one-off.

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:25 pm

Awesome link, JB!! Thanks!! So 767 number 40 is now called "VALOR". Fantastic!
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:24 pm

Apparently, Amazon Air is adjusting their routings to certain destinations, at least from their DFW and IAH air hubs. At the very least, they're expanding their route network with the growth of their fleet.

For example, it looks as though there's a new IAH-RIV (March ARB, Riverside) daily flight (5Y3659):

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5y3659
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:28 pm

I've narrowed down what I believe are the ATN and GTI frames used for Amazon Air, but I can't seem to nail down the ABX Amazon planes. I haven't had time to scroll through the whole thread, but based on other sites, I see 22 GTI frames for Amazon Air and 8 for ATN. If my math is correct, that's 10 ships unaccounted for for ABX.
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:21 pm

ATN:
714AX
791AX
739AX
761CX
762CX
763CX
307AZ
311AZ
313AZ
331AZ
337AZ
347AZ
353AZ
359AZ
Those are the ones actually dry-leased to Amazon.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:14 am

On Atlas, they have 22 frames that fly for Amazon. 20 of these already are, or will eventually be, dry-leased to Amazon; I'm not sure which ones of them have actually been signed, as I understand that lags introduction by a bit. I had expected 1709A to be the Atlas-owned outlier/spare, but it may be that Amazon actually ended up dry-leasing that one. In any event, Amazon dry-leases 20 of the 22 and the other two are maintenance spares.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:15 am

On ABX, the airline actually uses more than just the dry-leased ones on a fairly-regular basis, but if I am correct, here are the six actually dry-leased to Amazon:

744AX
749AX
750AX
774AX
795AX
768AX

Spares sometimes seen on Amazon:
773AX
740AX
312AA

Many of the other ABX-operated 767-200s will occasionally do an Amazon turn, like 767AX.

There are currently I believe only 4 767-200s that are painted in DHL colors that are still operated for DHL by ABX. 752AX, 783AX, 797AX and 798AX.

Three of the CAM-owned, DHL-leased 767-200s have been removed from service at ABX and exported to DHL Aviation ME in Bahrain, one in April 2017 and two this year. 769AX, 784AX and 775AX, all of which now have new foreign tail numbers. Two more have been removed from service this year and are also going overseas. One, 788AX, is just out of paint and is going to Sky Taxi in Warsaw, Poland, as SP-MRF. The other, 787AX, is still getting mechanical work at ILN to prep it for export. 792AX is out of service and likely to be scrapped.

DHL routes are covered by other of the 762 fleet on a regular basis, except that the 762s dry-leased to Amazon never, ever fly for anyone but Amazon without express permission of Amazon on a case-by-case basis, which is rarely granted.

ABX also operates 9 767-300s, 7 of which are being flown for DHL.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:53 am

wjcandee wrote:
On ABX, the airline actually uses more than just the dry-leased ones on a fairly-regular basis, but if I am correct, here are the six actually dry-leased to Amazon:

744AX
749AX
750AX
774AX
795AX
768AX

Spares sometimes seen on Amazon:
773AX
740AX
312AA

Many of the other ABX-operated 767-200s will occasionally do an Amazon turn, like 767AX.

There are currently I believe only 4 767-200s that are painted in DHL colors that are still operated for DHL by ABX. 752AX, 783AX, 797AX and 798AX.

Three of the CAM-owned, DHL-leased 767-200s have been removed from service at ABX and exported to DHL Aviation ME in Bahrain, one in April 2017 and two this year. 769AX, 784AX and 775AX, all of which now have new foreign tail numbers. Two more have been removed from service this year and are also going overseas. One, 788AX, is just out of paint and is going to Sky Taxi in Warsaw, Poland, as SP-MRF. The other, 787AX, is still getting mechanical work at ILN to prep it for export. 792AX is out of service and likely to be scrapped.

DHL routes are covered by other of the 762 fleet on a regular basis, except that the 762s dry-leased to Amazon never, ever fly for anyone but Amazon without express permission of Amazon on a case-by-case basis, which is rarely granted.

ABX also operates 9 767-300s, 7 of which are being flown for DHL.


N797AX is no longer yellow. It’s white like 312, 767, 774 and 795.

I haven’t seen 773AX in a while
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:17 am

DeltaRules wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
DeltaRules: I can't see it as highly-likely that they would keep an ILN operation around after the Amazon facility is fully-functional at CVG. Of course, who knows when that actually will be?

And there may well be some reason that I'm not thinking of that would support some kind of continued activity at ILN. Frankly, though, IMHO, Ohio and the ILN Airport Board had the opportunity to be the Amazon location, and botched it because they acted like Amazon was dependent on them, rather than the other way around. So Kentucky got the business.


Admittedly, I don't know much about how ATSG/ABX does maintenance, but I've wondered if they might be able to design lines to rotate aircraft into and out of maintenance by using ILN as both a sort and MX stop rather than ferry planes into ILN. I've also heard suggestion that ILN could be the hub for an Amazon night sort even after CVG is up.

That would be really cool if that was the case. They have been saying CVG will be a 24/7 operation, so I am not sure what ILN would help with, but they definitely seem to be looking at a wide verity of options. I guess we will no know until CVG actually gets up and running.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:25 am

Amazon did a switch-a-roo on me last night, and instead of RIV-TPA...did SEA-TPA (red-eye) on a 4xxx flight number. Will see if SEA stick tonight.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:01 am

Allee wrote:

N797AX is no longer yellow. It’s white like 312, 767, 774 and 795.

I haven’t seen 773AX in a while


I failed to note the livery change on 797. Thanks for the correction!!

773 is in maintenance at ILN, since 9/26. It could be going back to ABX, or it could be going somewhere else.

Aren't 797, 312, 767, 774, and 796 all in ABX's livery, with all but the last having no A on the tail? I thought only 768AX was all-white. (I seem to recall a plan to have the Amazon-leased 762s all painted all-white, of which 768 was the first, but apparently that plan was abandoned.)
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:22 pm

373 finished conversion in TLV, delivery imminent.(Shows as departing TLV to SNN tomorrow although no test flight preformed yet). According to my source this one is going to Cargojet as well and not Amazon. ex NZ 767-300 N930WE also converted and should be out on a test flight in the next couple of weeks pending last finishing touches.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:23 pm

yochai wrote:
373 finished conversion in TLV, delivery imminent.(Shows as departing TLV to SNN tomorrow although no test flight preformed yet). According to my source this one is going to Cargojet as well and not Amazon. ex NZ 767-300 N930WE also converted and should be out on a test flight in the next couple of weeks pending last finishing touches.


Cargojet? or AmeriJet? I have it as Amerijet..

Thanks, Yochai, for the info!
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:33 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Amazon did a switch-a-roo on me last night, and instead of RIV-TPA...did SEA-TPA (red-eye) on a 4xxx flight number. Will see if SEA stick tonight.


Looks like it stuck.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:18 pm

wjcandee wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Amazon did a switch-a-roo on me last night, and instead of RIV-TPA...did SEA-TPA (red-eye) on a 4xxx flight number. Will see if SEA stick tonight.


Looks like it stuck.


BDL-TPA now flying

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI6970
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:28 pm

Good to see 373 will be flying again. Still think it was pretty neat to spot 373 at ILN on takeoff when it was going to TLV. Hopefully I can spot 930 when it comes back.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:32 pm

Allee wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
On ABX, the airline actually uses more than just the dry-leased ones on a fairly-regular basis, but if I am correct, here are the six actually dry-leased to Amazon:

744AX
749AX
750AX
774AX
795AX
768AX

Spares sometimes seen on Amazon:
773AX
740AX
312AA

Many of the other ABX-operated 767-200s will occasionally do an Amazon turn, like 767AX.

There are currently I believe only 4 767-200s that are painted in DHL colors that are still operated for DHL by ABX. 752AX, 783AX, 797AX and 798AX.

Three of the CAM-owned, DHL-leased 767-200s have been removed from service at ABX and exported to DHL Aviation ME in Bahrain, one in April 2017 and two this year. 769AX, 784AX and 775AX, all of which now have new foreign tail numbers. Two more have been removed from service this year and are also going overseas. One, 788AX, is just out of paint and is going to Sky Taxi in Warsaw, Poland, as SP-MRF. The other, 787AX, is still getting mechanical work at ILN to prep it for export. 792AX is out of service and likely to be scrapped.

DHL routes are covered by other of the 762 fleet on a regular basis, except that the 762s dry-leased to Amazon never, ever fly for anyone but Amazon without express permission of Amazon on a case-by-case basis, which is rarely granted.

ABX also operates 9 767-300s, 7 of which are being flown for DHL.


N797AX is no longer yellow. It’s white like 312, 767, 774 and 795.

I haven’t seen 773AX in a while


I saw 773AX at ILN. It is also all white. A few posts behind, I put a link to a picture of it that I got
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:37 pm

Thanks, CM! I looked back at the photo, and it does seem to be all-white, not white with partial ABX livery. Is that correct?
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:29 pm

My source at Bedek said it is going to Canada but he could be confused with the previous aircraft. 373 should be up tomorrow morning on a test flight with delivery set for Friday pending mx delays.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:39 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Thanks, CM! I looked back at the photo, and it does seem to be all-white, not white with partial ABX livery. Is that correct?



I could not see if it said ABX, but I’m pretty sure it does not
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:22 pm

Anyone have info on SLC Prime Air flights now that the Fullfilment center is open. Haven't seen any planes here yet.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:19 am

N788AX flew back to CVG from ILN today
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:07 am

N354AA flew to ILN today from ROW, where it has been stored since 2016. 30 years old. ln 211. Unclear what it's for, but it was registered to CAM on 11/13/18.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:09 am

Who knows what 354 will be used for. I’ll see if I can get a picture soon when it takes off again.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:36 am

BringBack757 wrote:
Anyone have info on SLC Prime Air flights now that the Fullfilment center is open. Haven't seen any planes here yet.


I doubt that there will be any Amazon Air flights to SLC; what will more likely happen is that anything that flown in for the SLC center will be moved by ground from DEN.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growth - 2018

Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:34 pm

yochai wrote:
My source at Bedek said it is going to Canada but he could be confused with the previous aircraft. 373 should be up tomorrow morning on a test flight with delivery set for Friday pending mx delays.


You know, you were probably correct. There was some swapping around about which aircraft was going to go to Amerijet, and it turns out that 383AN, renumbered as 347CM, was sent to Amerijet. I know they were going to get 3, and so I think that's it, unless they now want one more. The utilization they are getting out of these aircraft is INSANE. I saw one aircraft go basically 24 hours of turn after turn, stop for a few hours, and go back to it. Seems like a different airline than just a few years ago.

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