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Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:16 am

On what routes/operations might Delta deploy their new A321neo upon delivery in 2020? Could we see any long and thin transatlantic routes, like with 757-200 ETOPS (75S configuration for Delta), or will they most likely be flying domestic routes alongside the A321ceo? Also, what cabin configuration and seating styles/types could we expect? Would it be more like the A321 or 75S?
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:16 am

Might want to add Delta to the title
 
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:06 am

In terms of routes, I think they'd focus this resource on long thin routes for sure. I'm thinking:
SLC-HNL
DTW-KEF
DTW-DUB
BOS-SNN
BOS-LIS
BOS-GLA
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:07 am

NateGreat wrote:
On what routes/operations might Delta deploy their new A321neo upon delivery in 2020? Could we see any long and thin transatlantic routes, like with 757-200 ETOPS (75S configuration for Delta), or will they most likely be flying domestic routes alongside the A321ceo? Also, what cabin configuration and seating styles/types could we expect? Would it be more like the A321 or 75S?

They won't be going international.

if anything it's more likely Delta would do a 739/321/321N sub fleet to replace the 75S on TCON routes and then use the 75S on international.


Hawaii from the west coast wouldn't shock me though.
BWIAirport wrote:
In terms of routes, I think they'd focus this resource on long thin routes for sure. I'm thinking:
SLC-HNL
DTW-KEF
DTW-DUB
BOS-SNN
BOS-LIS
BOS-GLA

Nothing says long and thin like a 333 route...... :? :?
 
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:32 am

BWIAirport wrote:
In terms of routes, I think they'd focus this resource on long thin routes for sure. I'm thinking:
SLC-HNL
DTW-KEF
DTW-DUB
BOS-SNN
BOS-LIS
BOS-GLA

To add frequency, I could see A321LRs on those routes. Every route you list is within A321NEO (current, non-LR) range in a 2-class configuration. Not as replacement on existing runs, but to add frequency.


With the A321LR with a lie-flat, either DL or B6 will offer the frequency from BOS to many European destinations. Who will go first?

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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:32 am

BWIAirport wrote:
In terms of routes, I think they'd focus this resource on long thin routes for sure. I'm thinking:
SLC-HNL
DTW-KEF
DTW-DUB
BOS-SNN
BOS-LIS
BOS-GLA

To add frequency, I could see A321LRs on those routes. Every route you list is within A321NEO (current, non-LR) range in a 2-class configuration. Not as replacement on existing runs, but to add frequency.


With the A321LR with a lie-flat, either DL or B6 will offer the frequency from BOS to many European destinations. Who will go first?

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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:59 am

Perhaps bring back DTW-DUS? (from the Northwest days)
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:02 am

DariusBieber wrote:
Perhaps bring back DTW-DUS? (from the Northwest days)
BCN, a larger market, would be done before DUS.
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:06 am

deltal1011man wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
On what routes/operations might Delta deploy their new A321neo upon delivery in 2020? Could we see any long and thin transatlantic routes, like with 757-200 ETOPS (75S configuration for Delta), or will they most likely be flying domestic routes alongside the A321ceo? Also, what cabin configuration and seating styles/types could we expect? Would it be more like the A321 or 75S?

They won't be going international.

if anything it's more likely Delta would do a 739/321/321N sub fleet to replace the 75S on TCON routes and then use the 75S on international.


Hawaii from the west coast wouldn't shock me though.
BWIAirport wrote:
In terms of routes, I think they'd focus this resource on long thin routes for sure. I'm thinking:
SLC-HNL
DTW-KEF
DTW-DUB
BOS-SNN
BOS-LIS
BOS-GLA

Nothing says long and thin like a 333 route...... :? :?

While we’re on subject of long and thin, what will eventually replace Delta’s 757-200 ETOPS (75S)?
 
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:59 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
On what routes/operations might Delta deploy their new A321neo upon delivery in 2020? Could we see any long and thin transatlantic routes, like with 757-200 ETOPS (75S configuration for Delta), or will they most likely be flying domestic routes alongside the A321ceo? Also, what cabin configuration and seating styles/types could we expect? Would it be more like the A321 or 75S?

They won't be going international.

if anything it's more likely Delta would do a 739/321/321N sub fleet to replace the 75S on TCON routes and then use the 75S on international.


Hawaii from the west coast wouldn't shock me though.
BWIAirport wrote:
In terms of routes, I think they'd focus this resource on long thin routes for sure. I'm thinking:
SLC-HNL
DTW-KEF
DTW-DUB
BOS-SNN
BOS-LIS
BOS-GLA

Nothing says long and thin like a 333 route...... :? :?

Ignore me :lol: Not sure how I managed to forget DL flies this route already. Maybe SLC-KOA/LIH/OGG.
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:32 pm

BDL-AMS?
MCO-BSB?
 
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:56 pm

MCO-PTY....that might be on a 737-900.
MCO-BOG? MCO-LIM?
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:57 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
On what routes/operations might Delta deploy their new A321neo upon delivery in 2020? Could we see any long and thin transatlantic routes, like with 757-200 ETOPS (75S configuration for Delta), or will they most likely be flying domestic routes alongside the A321ceo? Also, what cabin configuration and seating styles/types could we expect? Would it be more like the A321 or 75S?

They won't be going international.

if anything it's more likely Delta would do a 739/321/321N sub fleet to replace the 75S on TCON routes and then use the 75S on international.


Hawaii from the west coast wouldn't shock me though.
BWIAirport wrote:
In terms of routes, I think they'd focus this resource on long thin routes for sure. I'm thinking:
SLC-HNL
DTW-KEF
DTW-DUB
BOS-SNN
BOS-LIS
BOS-GLA

Nothing says long and thin like a 333 route...... :? :?

Ignore me :lol: Not sure how I managed to forget DL flies this route already. Maybe SLC-KOA/LIH/OGG.

BOS-LIS is also not a long and thin route.
TAP Portugal flies an A332 on the route for years.
BOS-SNN already EI 757 service and DL will have a tough time competing against EI, and there isn't space for 2 carriers IMO.
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:01 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
On what routes/operations might Delta deploy their new A321neo upon delivery in 2020? Could we see any long and thin transatlantic routes, like with 757-200 ETOPS (75S configuration for Delta), or will they most likely be flying domestic routes alongside the A321ceo? Also, what cabin configuration and seating styles/types could we expect? Would it be more like the A321 or 75S?

They won't be going international.

if anything it's more likely Delta would do a 739/321/321N sub fleet to replace the 75S on TCON routes and then use the 75S on international.


Hawaii from the west coast wouldn't shock me though.
BWIAirport wrote:
In terms of routes, I think they'd focus this resource on long thin routes for sure. I'm thinking:
SLC-HNL
DTW-KEF
DTW-DUB
BOS-SNN
BOS-LIS
BOS-GLA

Nothing says long and thin like a 333 route...... :? :?

Ignore me :lol: Not sure how I managed to forget DL flies this route already. Maybe SLC-KOA/LIH/OGG.


They fly SLC-OGG with a 763ER but Lihue is the 2nd largest unserved O/D market from SLC and I imagine SLC-LIH would be a good A320 route.
 
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:40 pm

Would it be crazy for DL to add a bunch of small European cities from a place like BOS with the A320neo and take a page out of UA's book? DL doesn't have a huge presence outside of the larger European cities currently. They could push alot of connecting traffic thru the hub to the smaller European cities without having to use up slots at JFK. Also it would give them a head start on B6's TATL plans.
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:02 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
Would it be crazy for DL to add a bunch of small European cities from a place like BOS with the A320neo and take a page out of UA's book? DL doesn't have a huge presence outside of the larger European cities currently. They could push alot of connecting traffic thru the hub to the smaller European cities without having to use up slots at JFK. Also it would give them a head start on B6's TATL plans.

I think that Delta could really utilize A321LR if they ordered them from BOS.
They have a capacity slightly smaller than a 757 and could connect smaller cities such as PRG, BRU(Possible widebody, higher demand), Berlin, Budapest.
Then they could be a true global carrier in BOS.
And it would likely be profitable for them as they would be the only airline flying these routes.
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:03 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
Would it be crazy for DL to add a bunch of small European cities from a place like BOS with the A320neo and take a page out of UA's book? DL doesn't have a huge presence outside of the larger European cities currently. They could push alot of connecting traffic thru the hub to the smaller European cities without having to use up slots at JFK. Also it would give them a head start on B6's TATL plans.


DL already offers connectivity to many smaller European cities via AMS and CDG. Arguably it's more likely that we'd see them deploy narrowbody equipment connecting smaller U.S. markets to CDG & AMS, just as we have already seen for PIT-CDG. There might be some opportunities to add a handful of markets focused on BOS O&D (i.e. SNN, MAN, LIS, MAD, FRA) but they simply don't have enough gates at BOS to implement anything approaching what UA does at EWR.
 
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:36 pm

Folks, what is the DOW (empty weight) difference between LR and non-LR A321?

What causes it?

My understading is that the primary difference comes from the extra tanks of LR. Is there anything else, like landing gear strengthening?
 
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:26 pm

jubguy3 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
They won't be going international.

if anything it's more likely Delta would do a 739/321/321N sub fleet to replace the 75S on TCON routes and then use the 75S on international.


Hawaii from the west coast wouldn't shock me though.
Nothing says long and thin like a 333 route...... :? :?

Ignore me :lol: Not sure how I managed to forget DL flies this route already. Maybe SLC-KOA/LIH/OGG.


They fly SLC-OGG with a 763ER but Lihue is the 2nd largest unserved O/D market from SLC and I imagine SLC-LIH would be a good A320 route.


Just out of curiosity, what is the largest unserved O/D market from SLC? KOA or something else.

Can the A321NEO do ATL-OGG? DL could resume that. They flew it with a 767-300ER at one time.
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:17 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
jubguy3 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Ignore me :lol: Not sure how I managed to forget DL flies this route already. Maybe SLC-KOA/LIH/OGG.


They fly SLC-OGG with a 763ER but Lihue is the 2nd largest unserved O/D market from SLC and I imagine SLC-LIH would be a good A320 route.


Just out of curiosity, what is the largest unserved O/D market from SLC? KOA or something else.

Can the A321NEO do ATL-OGG? DL could resume that. They flew it with a 767-300ER at one time.


It's Pittsburgh, which was just added. The data I am getting does not show the actual O/D PDEW except for PIT which is approximately 60,000/yr, but the remaining four largest markets are: Lihue, Columbus, Cleveland, and Buffalo. I would see all four, save maybe buffalo, as being very likely.
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:20 pm

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Can the A321NEO do ATL-OGG? DL could resume that. They flew it with a 767-300ER at one time.

I'm pretty sure that is far out of range even of an A321LR.
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:52 am

BOS would be great with the 321's...
 
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:07 am

pitbosflyer wrote:
Would it be crazy for DL to add a bunch of small European cities from a place like BOS with the A320neo and take a page out of UA's book? DL doesn't have a huge presence outside of the larger European cities currently. They could push alot of connecting traffic thru the hub to the smaller European cities without having to use up slots at JFK. Also it would give them a head start on B6's TATL plans.


It would be taking a page out of the AA handbook from the 80s when they did just that with 767s from ORD and JFK.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:32 am

NickolayAv wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
Can the A321NEO do ATL-OGG? DL could resume that. They flew it with a 767-300ER at one time.

I'm pretty sure that is far out of range even of an A321LR.


At 3,850nm it should be well within the range of the A321LR, especially as DL would not have it as a full Y at capacity.
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:09 am

gatibosgru wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
Can the A321NEO do ATL-OGG? DL could resume that. They flew it with a 767-300ER at one time.

I'm pretty sure that is far out of range even of an A321LR.


At 3,850nm it should be well within the range of the A321LR, especially as DL would not have it as a full Y at capacity.

My bad, then I guess the neo couldn't make it. Does Delta have any LR's on order?
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:30 am

Perhaps on the EWR-AMS/CDG routes. Those routes have been downsizing for years - they started out being flown by KL MD11s and AF 747s back in the 90s.
 
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NickolayAv wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
I'm pretty sure that is far out of range even of an A321LR.


At 3,850nm it should be well within the range of the A321LR, especially as DL would not have it as a full Y at capacity.

My bad, then I guess the neo couldn't make it. Does Delta have any LR's on order?


DL only has NEOs on order, no LRs yet.
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:54 am

gatibosgru wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
Can the A321NEO do ATL-OGG? DL could resume that. They flew it with a 767-300ER at one time.

I'm pretty sure that is far out of range even of an A321LR.


At 3,850nm it should be well within the range of the A321LR, especially as DL would not have it as a full Y at capacity.


Airbus' stated range is 4000nm in a 206-seat layout...and we all know that the manufacturers are, shall we say, optimistic when it comes to range. I'm a big fan of this aircraft but I don't think it could reliably run this route nonstop with a decent load. I'd love to be proved wrong.
 
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Re: Possible Delta A321neo TATL Service?

Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:17 am

Any reason the a321LR couldn't replace all 757 TATL routes given its range is that of the 757-200W? For sure there's the lack of performance, although I presume there's plenty of runway available at most airports and they aren't hot and/or high.
 
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flymco753 wrote:
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:28 am

CarlosSi wrote:
Any reason the a321LR couldn't replace all 757 TATL routes given its range is that of the 757-200W? For sure there's the lack of performance, although I presume there's plenty of runway available at most airports and they aren't hot and/or high.


My understanding is that Delta's transatlantic 757's have about 10 years left in them, so I wouldn't expect a 321LR order for quite a long time.

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