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Updated: Qantas let one of 15 787 options expire, confirms 18 A321LR aircraft

Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:03 am

Qantas will let the first of 15 787-9 options lapse and will decide on others in a “few more months". At the same time the Group considers switching some A320neo orders for Jetstar to the larger A321neo.

Australia’s Qantas Airways Ltd will let one of its 15 options over Boeing Co 787-9 Dreamliner jets lapse in February and will make a decision on some others in a “few more months”, its chief executive said on Monday.

The airline is looking to expand international flying but wants to be judicious about capital spending as it boosts returns to investors as part of a successful turnaround program.

CEO Alan Joyce said the airline was examining whether to take more 787s than the eight already ordered. At the same time it was considering a business case for its budget arm Jetstar to take Airbus’ A321neos, he said. Jetstar has 99 A320neo family jets on order. Joyce said the airline was considering whether to take some of the larger A321neo variant,


According to Joyce, A321neos could operate flights like Sydney-Bali which would free up 787s for other destinations.

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Re: Qantas Group lapse one of 15 787 options, mulls A321neo

Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:22 am

More of the march of the unstoppable A321neo-LR?
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:02 am

StTim wrote:
More of the march of the unstoppable A321neo-LR?


The sense of activity around the A321NEO and -LR are interesting indeed.
Some predict that these models will capture half of the NEO backlog. I am sure we'll see many conversion, but hopefully a flurry of new orders too.
 
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Re: Qantas Group lapse one of 15 787 options, mulls A321neo

Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:14 am

I expect that Qantas will convert their existing A321neo orders into A321LR orders, for those longer Jetstar routes. Qantas probably doesn't mind letting its options lapse, they have a lot of rights and probably don't need that many planes or the planes that soon.
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:30 am

8 787,s (8's) is hardly much of a fleet -no? Surely they are going to replace some of the 332's into 788's or similar? Just does not seem economic but perhaps I am wrong.
As for the A321NEO LR.Yup same old story being repeated all around the World.Perfect for Bali as stated.
 
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Re: Qantas Group lapse one of 15 787 options, mulls A321neo

Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:40 am

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8 787,s (8's) is hardly much of a fleet -no? Surely they are going to replace some of the 332's into 788's or similar? Just does not seem economic but perhaps I am wrong.
As for the A321NEO LR.Yup same old story being repeated all around the World.Perfect for Bali as stated.


QF made it crystal clear several times that they would not order more 789's until they were satisfied they were making the money. Its simply too early to decide that, there are currently 3 789's in service 2 on MEL-LAX and the other flying domestic routes. I am of the opinion that QF would not covert options into firm orders until August when their full year results are announced. Secondly QF also said last year that the 797 or something similar would replace some A332's for domestic as neither the A332 or the 789 economics stand up on domestic flights and an aircraft such as the 797 would be a lot more efficient. So basically the 15 options (which was likely to be mostly expansion) plus the 30 purchase rights (to replace A332 and A333 fleet) originally planned QF probably only need a fleet of 30-35 787's rather than 50ish 787's most thought would take.

I don't see it a big deal that 1 787 option is expired. What is perhaps more interesting is the 778/A359ULR decision has been pushed back at least a year and wont be announced until next year at the earliest

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Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:14 am

That statement was probably more rhetoric directed at its employees rather than an absolute die in the ditch line in the sand.

The economics of the 787 will be just as much based upon economies of scale (i.e. how many aircraft) as it is profitability on a route by route basis.

I think it should be considered a given that QANTAS will order more 787's.
 
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:36 am

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8 787,s (8's) is hardly much of a fleet -no? Surely they are going to replace some of the 332's into 788's or similar? Just does not seem economic but perhaps I am wrong.
As for the A321NEO LR.Yup same old story being repeated all around the World.Perfect for Bali as stated.


You are wrong, QF mainline operate 8 x B789’s and JQ 11 x B788’s.
I’m sure there is a lot more to it than topping up the B789’s order books at QF. They have a young A330 fleet which eventually would require replacement and the B789 is a good fit and even the B7810 is a great fit.

Let’s not forget those 99 NEO’s which make up the QF Group wouldn’t surprise me if they make their way to mainline too.

QF is just treading carefully (A380 ring any bells) and will evaluate once the PER-LHR services have kicked off and proven to be a successful decision.

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Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:54 am

Thx EK 413 I thought I had to be wrong.Missed the other aircraft - shouldn't take such a quick look at Wiki!.Makes far more sense with those.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:17 am

I've said it before many times and will say it again: I would be very surprised if, one way or another, the A321neo doesn't eventually end up in the QF fleet. QantasLink is getting some ex-JQ A320s soon.

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They have a young A330 fleet which eventually would require replacement

I think that the A330 fleet will be around for a very long time.
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:22 am

Good thing QF has is it’s increasing flexibility. If necessary they could take the 321NEO for QF Mainline - Tasman, Domestic, and SIN ex-ADL/PER, then when the 797 arrives move them over to JQ- they aren’t locked in for life with one part of the group.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:30 am

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I've said it before many times and will say it again: I would be very surprised if, one way or another, the A321neo doesn't eventually end up in the QF fleet. QantasLink is getting some ex-JQ A320s soon.


Works an very good training ground for Qantas - allows them to start building an pilot pool who already have exp without draining on JQ. It also allows them an back door to slowing introduce A320/321 into domestic flying while using cheaper QantasLink crews.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:58 am

Surprising, given how good the deal they supposedly got on the options
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:53 am

The A321LR are supposed to replace some 787-8 at Jetstar. I assume those 787-8 will than move over to Qantas itself.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:09 am

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The A321LR are supposed to replace some 787-8 at Jetstar. I assume those 787-8 will than move over to Qantas itself.


The plan was for the JQ B788’s move to QF mainline once the B789’s arrived but those plans have thankfully changed.
The B788 will continue to play a key role at JQ whilst NEO’s free up their long haul Ops.

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Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:04 am

zkojq wrote:
I've said it before many times and will say it again: I would be very surprised if, one way or another, the A321neo doesn't eventually end up in the QF fleet. QantasLink is getting some ex-JQ A320s soon.

EK413 wrote:
They have a young A330 fleet which eventually would require replacement

I think that the A330 fleet will be around for a very long time.


Without a doubt they’ll be around for a long time but a study on their replacement would be well underway that’s where A321LR/ B797 come into play.

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Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:38 pm

Unbelievably cautious decision. There are so many routes QF could operate successfully with the Dreamliner. Insofaras route network is concerned like Willie Walsh, Alan Joyce only knows how to cut, not how to develop an airline’s offering.
 
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Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:52 pm

zkojq wrote:

I've said it before many times and will say it again: I would be very surprised if, one way or another, the A321neo doesn't eventually end up in the QF fleet. QantasLink is getting some ex-JQ A320s soon.


The field performance of the A320 is better than the 737. As such the aircraft is better suited to some of the airport runways in WA.

Also remember the QANTAS group own many of the JQ A320's. With the NEO coming on-stream the resale value of 12-15 year old A320's probably isn't going to be the best. For QANTAS the best economic solution could be to keep the aircraft within the QANTAS group of airlines. In other words it is probably too early to read anything into Network getting ex Jetstar A320's.

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I’m sure there is a lot more to it than topping up the B789’s order books at QF. They have a young A330 fleet which eventually would require replacement and the B789 is a good fit and even the B7810 is a great fit.


The A330-300's have already been scheduled for replacement in the early 2020's. They are 2003 vintage so will be close to twenty years of age in this time period. Considering these aircraft are used for routes into Asia the 787-10's seems to be ideal replacement aircraft

The A330-200's are a little more interesting. There are four 200's that have the same vintage (2003) as the 300's making them ripe for replacement at the same time. In 2022 the other 14 aircraft will have an age in the range of 8-15 years. I'd suggest these aircraft could be used domestically or for flights to New Zealand. If this happens QF will have a dedicated fleet of 787's servicing the Asian markets.
 
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EK413 wrote:
I’m sure there is a lot more to it than topping up the B789’s order books at QF. They have a young A330 fleet which eventually would require replacement and the B789 is a good fit and even the B7810 is a great fit.


The A330-300's have already been scheduled for replacement in the early 2020's. They are 2003 vintage so will be close to twenty years of age in this time period. Considering these aircraft are used for routes into Asia the 787-10's seems to be ideal replacement aircraft

The A330-200's are a little more interesting. There are four 200's that have the same vintage (2003) as the 300's making them ripe for replacement at the same time. In 2022 the other 14 aircraft will have an age in the range of 8-15 years. I'd suggest these aircraft could be used domestically or for flights to New Zealand. If this happens QF will have a dedicated fleet of 787's servicing the Asian markets.


Time certainly flies I remember the B744ER, A330, A380 announcement as it was yesterday. Agreed, the A330’s are ancient. Question is will QF operate the aircraft into the ground like the B734 & B747 fleet not that there’s anything wrong with it after all QF don’t have the luxuries likes of EK,SQ.

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EK413 wrote:
travelhound wrote:
EK413 wrote:
I’m sure there is a lot more to it than topping up the B789’s order books at QF. They have a young A330 fleet which eventually would require replacement and the B789 is a good fit and even the B7810 is a great fit.


The A330-300's have already been scheduled for replacement in the early 2020's. They are 2003 vintage so will be close to twenty years of age in this time period. Considering these aircraft are used for routes into Asia the 787-10's seems to be ideal replacement aircraft

The A330-200's are a little more interesting. There are four 200's that have the same vintage (2003) as the 300's making them ripe for replacement at the same time. In 2022 the other 14 aircraft will have an age in the range of 8-15 years. I'd suggest these aircraft could be used domestically or for flights to New Zealand. If this happens QF will have a dedicated fleet of 787's servicing the Asian markets.


Time certainly flies I remember the B744ER, A330, A380 announcement as it was yesterday. Agreed, the A330’s are ancient. Question is will QF operate the aircraft into the ground like the B734 & B747 fleet not that there’s anything wrong with it after all QF don’t have the luxuries likes of EK,SQ.

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I remember the QF announcement for 65+50 787s. How times have changed.

As for the A321LR, it's sad for Boeing that for years they ignored the need for a true 757/767 replacement/successor and now Airbus is eating their lunch with one.
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:44 am

ikramerica wrote:
EK413 wrote:
travelhound wrote:
EK413 wrote:


The A330-300's have already been scheduled for replacement in the early 2020's. They are 2003 vintage so will be close to twenty years of age in this time period. Considering these aircraft are used for routes into Asia the 787-10's seems to be ideal replacement aircraft

The A330-200's are a little more interesting. There are four 200's that have the same vintage (2003) as the 300's making them ripe for replacement at the same time. In 2022 the other 14 aircraft will have an age in the range of 8-15 years. I'd suggest these aircraft could be used domestically or for flights to New Zealand. If this happens QF will have a dedicated fleet of 787's servicing the Asian markets.


Time certainly flies I remember the B744ER, A330, A380 announcement as it was yesterday. Agreed, the A330’s are ancient. Question is will QF operate the aircraft into the ground like the B734 & B747 fleet not that there’s anything wrong with it after all QF don’t have the luxuries likes of EK,SQ.

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I remember the QF announcement for 65+50 787s. How times have changed.

As for the A321LR, it's sad for Boeing that for years they ignored the need for a true 757/767 replacement/successor and now Airbus is eating their lunch with one.


Boeing totally screwed the pooch. They should have upgraded the 757 rather than just cancelling the program. Now the ball is in Airbus’s court.
 
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Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:43 am

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Surprising, given how good the deal they supposedly got on the options


Is it possible that the expiry wasn't simply Qantas giving it up, but Boeing stumping up some compensation of some kind so as to let it lapse and let them sell a higher priced 787 elsewhere?
 
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Boeing totally screwed the pooch. They should have upgraded the 757 rather than just cancelling the program. Now the ball is in Airbus’s court.


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Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:57 pm

Qantas could do what AA did and put A321s on all domestic, Trans-Tasman, and certain SEA flights so that 787s only do intercontinental.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:59 am

When was the last time a major legacy airline let an option expire?

This is odd to me considering that they (Qantas) would have had a plan for every one of these aircraft. It brings me to think that Qantas half assed this order?
 
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Qantas could do what AA did and put A321s on all domestic, Trans-Tasman, and certain SEA flights so that 787s only do intercontinental.


Qantas would not do that. They are up against DJ and the A330 Perth to Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne is their flagship domestic product.
 
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Qantas could do what AA did and put A321s on all domestic, Trans-Tasman, and certain SEA flights so that 787s only do intercontinental.


Qantas would not do that. They are up against DJ and the A330 Perth to Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne is their flagship domestic product.


Only a handful of flights on the East West services are widebody aircraft. Both QF & VA admit the aircraft are better off utilised on Asian routes and Tasman. VA have launched MEL-HKG with SYD, BNE to follow... eventually...

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Qantas could do what AA did and put A321s on all domestic, Trans-Tasman, and certain SEA flights so that 787s only do intercontinental.


Do you mean Qantas should fly the A321LR Australia to Seattle? Did I read that right?
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Swadian wrote:
Qantas could do what AA did and put A321s on all domestic, Trans-Tasman, and certain SEA flights so that 787s only do intercontinental.


Do you mean Qantas should fly the A321LR Australia to Seattle? Did I read that right?

I guess he meant South East Asia ...
 
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Arion640 wrote:
Swadian wrote:
Qantas could do what AA did and put A321s on all domestic, Trans-Tasman, and certain SEA flights so that 787s only do intercontinental.


Do you mean Qantas should fly the A321LR Australia to Seattle? Did I read that right?


I got confused too. In the aviation world I'm used to SEA being Seattle. If you mean South East Asia, just write it out.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:24 am

This article from Flightglobal relates to the topic:

"Since its financial turnaround in fiscal 2015, Qantas has used surplus capital to fund shareholder returns rather than to grow invested capital. We do not view this as sustainable," says S&P credit analyst Graeme Ferguson.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... di-445939/
 
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travelhound wrote:
zkojq wrote:

EK413 wrote:

I’m sure there is a lot more to it than topping up the B789’s order books at QF. They have a young A330 fleet which eventually would require replacement and the B789 is a good fit and even the B7810 is a great fit.


The A330-300's have already been scheduled for replacement in the early 2020's. They are 2003 vintage so will be close to twenty years of age in this time period. Considering these aircraft are used for routes into Asia the 787-10's seems to be ideal replacement aircraft

The A330-200's are a little more interesting. There are four 200's that have the same vintage (2003) as the 300's making them ripe for replacement at the same time. In 2022 the other 14 aircraft will have an age in the range of 8-15 years. I'd suggest these aircraft could be used domestically or for flights to New Zealand. If this happens QF will have a dedicated fleet of 787's servicing the Asian markets.


Or you do a simple swap: A330-200/300 replaced by A330-800/900 combo - with over 20 A330 (28?) in the fleet one could easily make a business case for such a solution vs. a 787-8/9/10 combo. At the end of the day it will all boil down to price - don´t see any of the two manufacturers really in a forward position here.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:26 am

Im not sure that the link to this article made it in to this thread:

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... 7-options/


Qantas later clarified Alan Joyce's remarks about the option lapsing saying that:

"The option that has lapsed will be picked up later"
 
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Or you do a simple swap: A330-200/300 replaced by A330-800/900 combo - with over 20 A330 (28?) in the fleet one could easily make a business case for such a solution vs. a 787-8/9/10 combo. At the end of the day it will all boil down to price - don´t see any of the two manufacturers really in a forward position here.


QF have been on record saying the A330 and 787 economics do not stand up for domestic sectors, currently A330's are used on domestic which are too heavy for those sectors. QF has been quite vocal about the 797. It would be quite silly of QF to get A338/339's when they have the 787 options/purchase rights which they got a good deal on to start with. From what was said last week a good proportion of the A332 fleet will be replaced by something like the 797 as most of the routes performed by A332's are 8 hours or less. QF have already stated the 787-10 would likely replace the A333's
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JBusworth wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Swadian wrote:
Qantas could do what AA did and put A321s on all domestic, Trans-Tasman, and certain SEA flights so that 787s only do intercontinental.


Do you mean Qantas should fly the A321LR Australia to Seattle? Did I read that right?


I got confused too. In the aviation world I'm used to SEA being Seattle. If you mean South East Asia, just write it out.


Yes I agree. Got a bit confused with that one.
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Or you do a simple swap: A330-200/300 replaced by A330-800/900 combo - with over 20 A330 (28?) in the fleet one could easily make a business case for such a solution vs. a 787-8/9/10 combo. At the end of the day it will all boil down to price - don´t see any of the two manufacturers really in a forward position here.


QF have been on record saying the A330 and 787 economics do not stand up for domestic sectors, currently A330's are used on domestic which are too heavy for those sectors. QF has been quite vocal about the 797. It would be quite silly of QF to get A338/339's when they have the 787 options/purchase rights which they got a good deal on to start with. From what was said last week a good proportion of the A332 fleet will be replaced by something like the 797 as most of the routes performed by A332's are 8 hours or less. QF have already stated the 787-10 would likely replace the A333's


So maybe no more A332s on domestic flights and only A321neo in pseudo-A321T configuration, which is competitive for premium traffic?
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Can 330 and 321NEO Crew be single type rated? Intro into the fleet may not be a huge expense, and a good temp solution until the797 by which time they can be moved to a Jq franchise somewhere
 
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travelhound wrote:
This article from Flightglobal relates to the topic:

"Since its financial turnaround in fiscal 2015, Qantas has used surplus capital to fund shareholder returns rather than to grow invested capital. We do not view this as sustainable," says S&P credit analyst Graeme Ferguson.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... di-445939/


I saw a similar article showing two potential probelms, the ability to raise capital from the markets, and second the cap they have on foreign investment.
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Qantas Group confirms 18 A321LR aircraft for Jetstar

Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:23 pm

Qantas Group has converted 18 A320neo aircraft into the larger A321LR. Aircraft will be operated by Jetstar.

Deliveries between 2020 and 2022.

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Re: Qantas Group confirms 18 A321LR aircraft for Jetstar

Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:26 pm

This does seem a great way to feed into DPS, and potential the Pacific. Good to see the 788 freed up to, from what I’ve heard Vietnam has been a good news story for JQ.
 
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Re: Qantas Group let one of 15 787 options expire, mulls A321neo

Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:27 pm

At today's earnings event Qantas confirms orders for 18 A321neo LRs for Jetstar, to be delivered between 2020 and 2022.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... l-results/

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http://investor.qantas.com/DownloadFile ... 953516.pdf
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Re: Qantas Group let one of 15 787 options expire, mulls A321neo

Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:40 pm

I am sure the A321LRs will not only provide growth opportunity for Jetstar, but free up 787s for other larger/longer missions.
 
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Re: Qantas Group confirms 18 A321LR aircraft for Jetstar

Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:49 pm

Wow, another big brand (QF Group) goes for the A321LR... this bird will be everywhere.

But 18 aircraft to fly mostly Denpasar?
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Re: Qantas Group confirms 18 A321LR aircraft for Jetstar

Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:03 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Qantas Group has converted 18 A320neo aircraft into the larger A321LR. Aircraft will be operated by Jetstar.

Deliveries between 2020 and 2022.

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https://twitter.com/rschuur_aero/status ... 1154458624

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Re: Qantas Group confirms 18 A321LR aircraft for Jetstar

Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:12 pm

Revelation wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Qantas Group has converted 18 A320neo aircraft into the larger A321LR. Aircraft will be operated by Jetstar.

Deliveries between 2020 and 2022.

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https://twitter.com/rschuur_aero/status ... 1154458624

Did Jetstar hire our very own keesje as their graphic artist? :-)



Hehe, i think Keesje and Jetstar draw inspiration from the same Airbus marketing charts.
 
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Re: Qantas Group confirms 18 A321LR aircraft for Jetstar

Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:24 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Qantas Group has converted 18 A320neo aircraft into the larger A321LR. Aircraft will be operated by Jetstar.

Deliveries between 2020 and 2022.

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https://twitter.com/rschuur_aero/status ... 1154458624


Completely unsurprising move. The A321LR is perfect for the Jetstar fleet as it ha that long range to get to Indonesia with extra capacity over the A320. I'd expect more than just Bali flights, but those routes to be the first two. Would 2 A321LR flights replace 1 787 flight?
 
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Re: Updated: Qantas let one of 15 787 options expire, confirms 18 A321LR aircraft

Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:37 pm

Great news.

18 aircraft strikes me as a lot of planes for Bali.
 
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Re: Qantas Group confirms 18 A321LR aircraft for Jetstar

Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Re: 18 aircraft

MEL-DPS can be double daily 787-800s at times, if the aim is to at least match the same capacity, they'll need a significant amount of frequencies.

JQ's 788s are 314 Y seats and another 21 of their premium economy seats.

A321LR likely to be around 200 seats. 3x daily frequency would match the capacity of 2x daily 788.

Separately, might they also have the legs to do MEL-SIN (3,254NM via GC) - another 788 route?
 
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Re: Updated: Qantas let one of 15 787 options expire, confirms 18 A321LR aircraft

Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:54 pm

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Re: Qantas Group confirms 18 A321LR aircraft for Jetstar

Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:24 am

tayser wrote:
A321LR likely to be around 200 seats.

In a single class configuration, the A321neo can have up to 236 seats.

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