a1rwan
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Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:37 pm

I was just wondering why do governments paint their aircraft in their flag carrier's liveries? A lot of government and head of state aircraft, such as India and Azerbaijan, have aircraft painted with their flag carrier's livery. Is this to stay 'camouflaged' so to speak or is it because they are aircraft that are lent to them by these airlines. The Sultan of Brunei also uses 2 aircraft that are painted in their national flag carrier, Royal Brunei. I do know for a fact that the 2 planes used, an a340-200 and a B767-200ER, are not lent or used by Royal Brunei and are exclusively for use of carrying the head of state or any royal family members. Despite having indications that it is a government aircraft, for example, the yellow flag next to the 'Royal Brunei' title, I simply do not understand why they would paint the aircraft in the Royal Brunei livery. Why couldn't they just have a plain white livery with some graphics or something? Anyways I just wanted to discuss this topic because I am just so curious as to why.
 
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:31 pm

To go one further Qatar painted its C17military transports in the QR livery...
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:07 pm

In most such cases the airline is owned by the government so the airline livery IS the government paint.
 
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:09 pm

a320fan wrote:
To go one further Qatar painted its C17military transports in the QR livery...

Yes that is very true and one of the more unique and intriguing cases as it is not for transporting people.
 
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:14 pm

airbazar wrote:
In most such cases the airline is owned by the government so the airline livery IS the government paint.

I see. That would make a lot of sense, although I feel like it is a little bit weird because I feel as though the airline is more of a brand rather than something for important people like government officials and heads of state, in other words its almost informal i guess.
 
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:23 pm

a320fan wrote:
To go one further Qatar painted its C17military transports in the QR livery...


It's not unknown for a government to paint one or two of its military aircraft in a civilian scheme for diplomatic clearance reasons.
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:40 pm

PR plays a role too. Gets your airline brand out there. The QR painted C-17 for example is for humanitarian and other positive work, so when Qatar is pushing aid they are also pushing the QR brand. Their other C-17 in a more typical military livery is for the more discreet operations.
 
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:12 pm

Camouflage is one reason, and the other reason is "camouflage". These autocratic leaders don't want to flaunt too much that they spent huge amounts of money for large aircraft, then use them for vacation, shopping sprees, transporting supercars and mistresses, etc.
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:30 pm

a1rwan wrote:
I was just wondering why do governments paint their aircraft in their flag carrier's liveries? A lot of government and head of state aircraft, such as India


Not correct....the Indian govt uses 744s chartered from AI for transporting the PM or President on international visits....those aircrafts are part of the AI fleet and are normally used for revenue passenger flights.....that's why they are in AI colors....the Indian Air Force also has a couple of 737s used for transporting the same politicians locally and those planes are painted with air force markings...
 
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:10 pm

Actually, most countries have a dedicated fleet with a special livery ( usually run by the Air Force ) and all major countries do so : US, China, Russia, Japan, France, Germany... no "camouflage whatsoever". So as said above, the comaratively few who share their national commercial airline livery do so for PR & marketing purposes.

For a detailed review of all country govenment fleets :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_trans ... government

Fun fact : the US bugged China's presidential 763 :
A Boeing 767-300ER was purchased by the Chinese government for use by former leader Jiang Zemin in 2000. This Boeing 767 was originally ordered by Delta Air Lines. An international incident occurred in 2001 when the government claimed it had discovered 27 bugs embedded in the aircraft's interior[citation needed]; the plane had been refitted in San Antonio, Texas. It had since been converted back to a normal passenger airliner and transferred to Air China as B-2499.
 
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:20 pm

DWC wrote:
Actually, most countries have a dedicated fleet with a special livery ( usually run by the Air Force ) and all major countries do so : US, China, Russia, Japan, France, Germany... no "camouflage whatsoever". So as said above, the comaratively few who share their national commercial airline livery do so for PR & marketing purposes.

For a detailed review of all country govenment fleets :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_trans ... government

Fun fact : the US bugged China's presidential 763 :
A Boeing 767-300ER was purchased by the Chinese government for use by former leader Jiang Zemin in 2000. This Boeing 767 was originally ordered by Delta Air Lines. An international incident occurred in 2001 when the government claimed it had discovered 27 bugs embedded in the aircraft's interior[citation needed]; the plane had been refitted in San Antonio, Texas. It had since been converted back to a normal passenger airliner and transferred to Air China as B-2499.

So China means Republic of China (situated on Taiwan) to you? Their presidential 737 is a dedicated one and in a military livery.
For People's Republic of China, their head of state aircraft are two 747-400s in ordinary Air China livery.
 
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:42 pm

yonahleung wrote:
So China means Republic of China (situated on Taiwan) to you? Their presidential 737 is a dedicated one and in a military livery.
For People's Republic of China, their head of state aircraft are two 747-400s in ordinary Air China livery.

What are you talking about ??? Alternate facts ?
1. China is the PRC or I would have stated Taiwan ( never mind their self-proclaimed "ROC" ).
2. Both the link & the quote refer to the PRC & Jiang Zemin never ruled over Taiwan that I know of.
3. Per wiki, the PRC does not have "two 747-400s in ordinary Air China livery" ( aren't you confusing with Japan's two gov 744s ? ), but :
A commercial Air China Boeing 747-4J6 is converted for international travel when necessary. The plane is registered as B-2472. It is specially retrofitted during official use and returns to commercial service afterwards

This is the wiki quote in extenso :
Air transportation for the general secretary, President, Premier or other government officials of China is managed and operated by the 34th division of People's Liberation Army Air Force. Eight Boeing 737-300s and two 737-700s are used for these missions.

A Boeing 767-300ER was purchased by the Chinese government for use by former leader Jiang Zemin in 2000. This Boeing 767 was originally ordered by Delta Air Lines. An international incident occurred in 2001 when the government claimed it had discovered 27 bugs embedded in the aircraft's interior[citation needed]; the plane had been refitted in San Antonio, Texas. It had since been converted back to a normal passenger airliner and transferred to Air China as B-2499.

A commercial Air China Boeing 747-4J6 is converted for international travel when necessary. The plane is registered as B-2472. It is specially retrofitted during official use and returns to commercial service afterwards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_trans ... c_of_China)
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Re: Why do governments paint their aircraft in airline liveries?

Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

yonahleung wrote:
So China means Republic of China (situated on Taiwan) to you? Their presidential 737 is a dedicated one and in a military livery.
For People's Republic of China, their head of state aircraft are two 747-400s in ordinary Air China livery.


Well the PRC uses B-2472 (B744) as the dedicated head-of-state plane. That plane has not flown commercial for years. The other two B744s (B-2445/7) flies commercial flights and B-2447 occasionally serves to transport the prime minister and serves as a spare when B-2472 is in use. Those 744s are in standard Air China livery. I believe B-2472 is to be replaced by B-2479 B-748i.
PLAAF also operates a few airliners (several B737s, A319s, CRJs) painted in air force livery. Any plane you see registered in China as B-4xxx is operated by the air force.
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/PLAAF

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