Southwest Schedule Extension 02/15/18

southwest1675 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:48 pm

tphuang wrote:
Delta is not going to be happy here.

Really wanna know how they'll respond to this.

Jshank83 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:53 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
CVG-DEN

I still don't understand why some folks on here thought DAL, HOU or even year-round PHX would come before DEN. WN is pretty predictable about how they roll out new stations.

I thought since they already were going to PHX they would just go back there or LAS just becuase of less competition and basically all the same connection options. The other two I didn't understand as much. But Denver is a beast for WN so apparently being the 5th airline on it doesnt matter. I also thought they would add more than one when they added it though. I am guessing G4 drops it at some point now?

ADrum23 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:53 pm

Surprised they are doing a whole WN rally/announcement just for BNA-ATL. I thought there would be at least two destinations added.

And 5x daily is over 700 seats! There must have been a huge push from the business community for this one.

SteveXC500 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:58 pm

Nothing new for MSP. 25 weekday departures in total. Loss of DAL Sunday service and a loss of one MDW flight. So, not counting DAL, MSP goes from 26 Summer weekday flights to 25 in Sept.

AVLAirlineFreq · Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:58 pm

Aside from the O&D, what markets does ATL have on WN that BNA doesn't? GSP is one. What else?

southwest1675 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:06 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Aside from the O&D, what markets does ATL have on WN that BNA doesn't? GSP is one. What else?

RIC, IND, and GSP.

southwest1675 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:08 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
Surprised they are doing a whole WN rally/announcement just for BNA-ATL. I thought there would be at least two destinations added.

And 5x daily is over 700 seats! There must have been a huge push from the business community for this one.

I'm shocked that they would do all that too. I would expect one around 10AM today.

Jshank83 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:10 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Aside from the O&D, what markets does ATL have on WN that BNA doesn't? GSP is one. What else?

RIC, IND, and GSP.

and PUJ, PBI (not sure if they are seasonal though)

jplatts · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:22 pm

flydulles wrote:
Is mdw not a big hub for swa I am shocked they don't bring back Dulles mdw. I also think they be good if they went to dallas love from dulles and phoneix Dulles. Also shocked they don't run ago Dulles or lax dulles. DULLES has not been getting much LUV lately! Is it gate problems?

WN has been recently expanding in California in order to better compete against AS, and WN still does have opportunities to add IAD-OAK and IAD-LAX.

I agree that WN could bring back IAD-MDW nonstop service, and WN could also bring back IAD-SAN and IAD-LAS nonstop service.

WN could add IAD-AUS nonstop service since AUS is located in the capital city of Texas, since AUS is restricted to 1 daily nonstop from DCA with perimeter restrictions at DCA, and since many of the hi-tech businesses in the DC area are closer to IAD than to DCA or BWI.

I also agree that WN could add IAD-PHX nonstop service since PHX is one of the largest WN focus cities.

SCHATC422 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:23 pm

Finally BDL! It's about time STL got restored since AA was the last one to do it with E145's back in the mid 2000's. Good add for BDL and should do very well.

Jshank83 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:30 pm

I went through the entire STL schedule.

BDL 1x daily
SFO goes to 2x daily on Sunday
PHL goes from 2x to 3x daily
ECP goes from daily to Saturday only (it ended in August last year)
CHS goes away (last year it went from daily to Saturday/Sunday only in August last year)
Down 1 weekly daily total from the Summer schedule to 114 but up 9 from last year for this extension (last year it went down 5 daily on this extension)

ADrum23 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:37 pm

BNA will have an annoucement at 9:30 am central to formally announce ATL.

HeyHey · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:39 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Aside from the O&D, what markets does ATL have on WN that BNA doesn't? GSP is one. What else?

RIC, IND, and GSP.

and PUJ, PBI (not sure if they are seasonal though)

On the flip side, BNA serves PNS, ECP, CLT, and CHS.

RJNUT · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:42 pm

seems ATL-BNA is more for ATL passengers additional connectivity to the WN network than the other way around. It signifies BNA as being bigger future for WN than ATL in some ways

flydulles · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:42 pm

Just went on swa routemap clicked on dulles dont see any new cities that mean we not getting noting

flydulles · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:43 pm

Jplatts does swa have a gate problem i wonder at dulles??? I did look up united only has 1 daily Phoenix from dulles each way....

jplatts · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:44 pm

HeyHey wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:

RIC, IND, and GSP.

and PUJ, PBI (not sure if they are seasonal though)

On the flip side, BNA serves PNS, ECP, CLT, and CHS.

WN also has nonstop service to SEA from BNA, but not from ATL.

flydulles · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:49 pm

Southwest.com next schedule release due 8 March it says

jplatts · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:54 pm

flydulles wrote:
Jplatts does swa have a gate problem i wonder at dulles??? I did look up united only has 1 daily Phoenix from dulles each way....

According to the WN city fact sheet for IAD (which can be found at https://www.swamedia.com/media_storage/city_fact_sheets/IAD.pdf), WN currently has 2 gates at IAD, and WN only currently does 7 daily departures of IAD. WN definitely does have room to add more flights out of IAD, and WN probably has enough room to do at least 20 departures a day out of IAD.

OzarkD9S · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:56 pm

flydulles wrote:

I take it mdw not a big hub for them i miss iad mdw! I would love to see iad dal and iad phx and iad lax! They need to up the pressure!

Don't blame MDW, blame the IAD/DCA dynamic and the preference for many domestic flyers in the DC area to chose DCA or BWI over IAD. Considering WN's history with IAD, you should be thankful they haven't closed the station altogether.

flydulles · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:59 pm

Jplatts I believe they got 3 gates now at dulles under southwest airport information

lakeeffect · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:59 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Looks like MKE-SFO and MKE-SAN are only to be run during the summer peak, but MKE-SEA continues in the new fall schedule. As things stand this fall MIlwaukee will have three mainline nonstops daily to SEA on AS, DL and WN with 452 seats but to the entire state of California...one 143-seat flight to LAX. Maddening.

Interestingly, that SEA-MKE flight continues on to CLE for part of this extension. With CLE not having a daily nonstop to SEA, the no plane change in MKE will be the shortest routing available. The CLE-MKE sector is also timed perfectly to connect to SEA. I can see there being a lot of connecting traffic on those segments.

FlyerTalkUserNa · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:00 pm

avi8 wrote:
According to SWA’s website, WN is at around 122 daily flights as of January 18th from TPA. That is unreal, since I always thought WN was at around 80ish departures on average from TPA.

Excited to hear about the LAX addition.

I guess I typically miss Sunday afternoons but baggage claim was slammed (partially due to renovations?) this past Sunday and it was the longest TSA line I've ever seen at Airside C. WN was doing some serious volume both in and out.

Cubsrule · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:03 pm

jplatts wrote:
HeyHey wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

and PUJ, PBI (not sure if they are seasonal though)

On the flip side, BNA serves PNS, ECP, CLT, and CHS.

WN also has nonstop service to SEA from BNA, but not from ATL.

These lists demonstrate, I think, that the connections on BNA-ATL are or will be more about additional options in existing markets than about new markets, although BNA-PBI isn't easy now so there are a few "new market" benefits. It's a tremendous number of seats to fill; it will be interesting to see how or whether DL responds. DL does not make a serious play for BNA-ATL O&D today with roundtrip prices routinely over $1,000.

southwest1675 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:16 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
jplatts wrote:
HeyHey wrote:

On the flip side, BNA serves PNS, ECP, CLT, and CHS.

WN also has nonstop service to SEA from BNA, but not from ATL.

These lists demonstrate, I think, that the connections on BNA-ATL are or will be more about additional options in existing markets than about new markets, although there BNA-PBI isn't easy now so there are a few "new market" benefits. It's a tremendous number of seats to fill; it will be interesting to see how or whether DL responds. DL does not make a serious play for BNA-ATL O&D today with roundtrip prices routinely over $1,000.

Those people flying BNA-ATL on DL are definitely connecting.

cranberrysaus · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:25 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
jplatts wrote:

WN also has nonstop service to SEA from BNA, but not from ATL.

These lists demonstrate, I think, that the connections on BNA-ATL are or will be more about additional options in existing markets than about new markets, although there BNA-PBI isn't easy now so there are a few "new market" benefits. It's a tremendous number of seats to fill; it will be interesting to see how or whether DL responds. DL does not make a serious play for BNA-ATL O&D today with roundtrip prices routinely over $1,000.

Those people flying BNA-ATL on DL are definitely connecting.

Yeah with it being a ~3:45 drive, it's not worth it to fly most of the time if you live in either city.

Cubsrule · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:30 pm

cranberrysaus wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

These lists demonstrate, I think, that the connections on BNA-ATL are or will be more about additional options in existing markets than about new markets, although there BNA-PBI isn't easy now so there are a few "new market" benefits. It's a tremendous number of seats to fill; it will be interesting to see how or whether DL responds. DL does not make a serious play for BNA-ATL O&D today with roundtrip prices routinely over $1,000.

Those people flying BNA-ATL on DL are definitely connecting.

Yeah with it being a ~3:45 drive, it's not worth it to fly most of the time if you live in either city.

. . . if it were a 3:45 drive. But generally it isn't. For some folks, the barrier to flying BNA-ATL today is price. For Murfreesboro-Alpharetta, flying makes no sense regardless of the price. But downtown to downtown is a different story, especially with MARTA a viable option in Atlanta.

flydulles · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:48 pm

Did any Hawaii news dump in this Schedule releae???

cranberrysaus · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:50 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
cranberrysaus wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:

Those people flying BNA-ATL on DL are definitely connecting.

Yeah with it being a ~3:45 drive, it's not worth it to fly most of the time if you live in either city.

. . . if it were a 3:45 drive. But generally it isn't. For some folks, the barrier to flying BNA-ATL today is price. For Murfreesboro-Alpharetta, flying makes no sense regardless of the price. But downtown to downtown is a different story, especially with MARTA a viable option in Atlanta.

True, I live on the north side of Atlanta and I do the drive up to Lebanon all the time, so I'm used to thinking about it that way.

Runway28L · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:54 pm

I'm sorry if this has previously been asked, but when does the official blog summarizing the system-wide changes typically go up?

AAvgeek744 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:58 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
BNA-ATL, was not expecting that

5x daily at that.

I know..... how are they going to compete with the 12 DL flights on that one?

I’m surprised IND and/or SJC didn’t come[/quoteI

I think Airlineroute reported awhile back that DL is going down to 11 then 10 dailies to DL but I could be wrong. They may opt to keep them. Surprised at WN going in, especially 5x to start.

SteveXC500 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:59 pm

Runway28L wrote:
I'm sorry if this has previously been asked, but when does the official blog summarizing the system-wide changes typically go up?

Widely varies. Sometimes never. Usually later in the day, though.

FlyPNS1 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:01 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
jplatts wrote:
HeyHey wrote:

On the flip side, BNA serves PNS, ECP, CLT, and CHS.

WN also has nonstop service to SEA from BNA, but not from ATL.

These lists demonstrate, I think, that the connections on BNA-ATL are or will be more about additional options in existing markets than about new markets, although BNA-PBI isn't easy now so there are a few "new market" benefits. It's a tremendous number of seats to fill; it will be interesting to see how or whether DL responds. DL does not make a serious play for BNA-ATL O&D today with roundtrip prices routinely over $1,000.

It's certainly a market that can be stimulated. In Q2 2017, BNA-ATL only had 243 O&D passengers daily (both directions combined). For comparison, ATL-JAX (which is only about 60 miles longer) had 546 O&D passengers. Of course, ATL-JAX has average fares that are 30% lower than BNA-ATL.

I could see the market being stimulated up to 600 O&D passengers pretty easily. Granted, that's still not going to fill all of WN's seats given that DL will take a sizeable piece of that pie.

Dominion301 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:04 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
jplatts wrote:
HeyHey wrote:

On the flip side, BNA serves PNS, ECP, CLT, and CHS.

WN also has nonstop service to SEA from BNA, but not from ATL.

These lists demonstrate, I think, that the connections on BNA-ATL are or will be more about additional options in existing markets than about new markets, although BNA-PBI isn't easy now so there are a few "new market" benefits. It's a tremendous number of seats to fill; it will be interesting to see how or whether DL responds. DL does not make a serious play for BNA-ATL O&D today with roundtrip prices routinely over $1,000.

Exactly. This is all about connections AND network connectivity. It allows for additional options at both stations for handling misconnects. Like others have said, it'll also break DL's monopoly and drive down their ridiculous fares, which will easily at least double O&D demand on the city pair.

RJNUT · Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:09 pm

blhp68 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
MCI-RDU (I think this is new) 1x daily
STL-BDL 1x daily

MCI-RDU ran for a few years in the early 2000s. Essentially connected rdu with sjc via mci. Glad to see it back!

I dont beleive that is qute right about WN on MCI-RDU. The only service NS MCI-RDU was Midwest Express, then Express Jet solo branding and also American Eagle. Recently Frontier just announced and now WN

Jshank83 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:22 pm

The MCI-RDU route announced today starts in April not August. Probably trying to push F9 off it early.

blhp68 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:41 pm

RJNUT wrote:
blhp68 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
MCI-RDU (I think this is new) 1x daily
STL-BDL 1x daily

MCI-RDU ran for a few years in the early 2000s. Essentially connected rdu with sjc via mci. Glad to see it back!

I dont beleive that is qute right about WN on MCI-RDU. The only service NS MCI-RDU was Midwest Express, then Express Jet solo branding and also American Eagle. Recently Frontier just announced and now WN

YX served it as well. I can confirm it was operational as I used to take it during my days in college to visit my parents in Raleigh.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/southwe ... i-sjc.html

jplatts · Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:53 pm

Here is the link of the press release on swamedia.com of the new WN nonstop routes being announced today:
https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-7cccde9046059e960296b2f5c6157207-southwest-airlines-extends-flight-schedule-through-oct-1-2018

RJNUT · Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:12 pm

blhp68 wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
blhp68 wrote:

MCI-RDU ran for a few years in the early 2000s. Essentially connected rdu with sjc via mci. Glad to see it back!

I dont beleive that is qute right about WN on MCI-RDU. The only service NS MCI-RDU was Midwest Express, then Express Jet solo branding and also American Eagle. Recently Frontier just announced and now WN

YX served it as well. I can confirm it was operational as I used to take it during my days in college to visit my parents in Raleigh.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/southwe ... i-sjc.html

Huh! OK cool, it must have been very short lived. maybe after 9/11 or something like that as there were tons of cuts nationwide on all airlines .
.

MKE22 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:45 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Looks like MKE-SFO and MKE-SAN are only to be run during the summer peak, but MKE-SEA continues in the new fall schedule. As things stand this fall MIlwaukee will have three mainline nonstops daily to SEA on AS, DL and WN with 452 seats but to the entire state of California...one 143-seat flight to LAX. Maddening.

Couldn't agree more, especially seeing that SEA-MKE will be a direct/no-plane change through to CLE and the CLE-MKE matches up very well to connect onto the MKE-SEA leg. I get that WN keeping SEA year-round is partially to compete with AS & DL, but I don't get why WN doesn't see MKE as a better option to connect passengers through to the west coast as an alternative to MDW or DEN or LAS (all have more competition). FL seemed to do it better just based off the comparison of frequencies over the years, my humble opinion.

Seems like AS and WN are competing more on California routes anyways, why not add a little more capacity to keep that going?

evank516 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:47 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
jplatts wrote:

WN also has nonstop service to SEA from BNA, but not from ATL.

These lists demonstrate, I think, that the connections on BNA-ATL are or will be more about additional options in existing markets than about new markets, although BNA-PBI isn't easy now so there are a few "new market" benefits. It's a tremendous number of seats to fill; it will be interesting to see how or whether DL responds. DL does not make a serious play for BNA-ATL O&D today with roundtrip prices routinely over $1,000.

Exactly. This is all about connections AND network connectivity. It allows for additional options at both stations for handling misconnects. Like others have said, it'll also break DL's monopoly and drive down their ridiculous fares, which will easily at least double O&D demand on the city pair.

Good. I paid $700 to fly LGA-ATL-BNA on DL a month ago. I look at random dates to go see my sister and it's $600. While I won't fly WN, I do hope to see the prices on DL drop.

masonh2479 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:48 pm

Any word about new service to AUS, DAL, HOU, and SAT?

MrNuke · Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:00 pm

joeljack wrote:
OMA-LAX continues through this extension as daily. It’s operated summer seasonal for past 3 years maybe? I wonder if this means it is going year-round?

Confirmed http://www.omaha.com/money/southwest-wi ... 6f7f3.html

SunsetLimited · Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:03 pm

3x daily LAX-MSY. Impressive. That will make 8 daily nonstops in the market.

swacle · Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:04 pm

fun2fly wrote:
swacle wrote:
Nothing new for CLE.

I see CLE>MCO was that already in the plan prior to this release?

MCO operates weekends only from March through August. Both MCO and RSW weekend service are gone on this release.

flydulles · Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:24 pm

The next schedule release due march 8th will that likely have thanksgiving Christmas on it ?

Jshank83 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:33 pm

flydulles wrote:
The next schedule release due march 8th will that likely have thanksgiving Christmas on it ?

No. It only goes to Nov 2

alggag · Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:51 pm

The route map shows HOU-GCM but I can't actually find a nonstop by randomly looking through the schedule. Edit: Nevermind, the nonstop flying is Saturday during the summer. I didn't realize they had added that.

HOU-LIR seems to go Saturday only unless it's a glitch.

WNflyer1523 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:01 pm

Nothing new for ISP. Lost a TPA and MCO nonstop frequency... probably shifting those over to LGA

jco613 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:15 pm

also of note, FLL-BZE goes to Saturday only...

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