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London City Airport (EGLC/LCY) closed due to unexploded WW2 bomb (11 Feb '18)

Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:47 am

Although there are no overnight flights, this will impact flights on 12th February:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43027472

London City Airport has been closed after an unexploded World War Two bomb was found in the River Thames nearby.

The discovery was made at about 05:00 GMT on Sunday at George V Dock during pre-planned work at the airport in east London, the Met Police said.

Specialist officers and the Royal Navy confirmed the device was explosive and the airport was shut at 22:00.

London City Airport advised passengers not to travel to the airport and contact their airline.

The Met said it was working with the Royal Navy to remove the device.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:04 am

Oh jeez.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:45 am

I should imagine that there are quite a few unaccounted for unexploded bombs yet to be discovered in the muddy waters of the River Thames and the former London Docks so this latest development doesn't surprise me at all and it wouldn't surprise me either if others were found during the redevelopment process at LCY.

The Royal Navy had to deal with quite a few unexploded bombs when they were recently dredging Portsmouth Harbour over the last few years in readiness for the new aircraft carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.

There must be loads more undiscovered bombs scattered around the United Kingdom and I'm sure that the situation arises quite frequently but not overly reported in other countries such as Germany.
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Re: London City Airport (EGLC/LCY) closed due to unexploded WW2 bomb (11 Feb '18)

Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:13 am

Cunard wrote:
I should imagine that there are quite a few unaccounted for unexploded bombs yet to be discovered in the muddy waters of the River Thames and the former London Docks so this latest development doesn't surprise me at all and it wouldn't surprise me either if others were found during the redevelopment process at LCY.

The Royal Navy had to deal with quite a few unexploded bombs when they were recently dredging Portsmouth Harbour over the last few years in readiness for the new aircraft carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.

There must be loads more undiscovered bombs scattered around the United Kingdom and I'm sure that the situation arises quite frequently but not overly reported in other countries such as Germany.

I'm certain Germany has more to find. :duck:

I'd like to know more. A 214m exclusion zone implies they know the bomb size:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -in-thames
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:36 am

lightsaber wrote:
I'm certain Germany has more to find.


Practically every major construction project will face delays at some point due to WW2 bombs. Workers have been killed when they accidentially triggered them.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:15 am

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I remember when my local superstore was being built, they found an unexploded WW2 bomb. We are probably 0.5 miles away from an old munitions factory.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:44 am

UXO is definitely a major issue over a huge part of N. Europe. UXO tech is a very lucrative career choice in dealing with these.

I remember there was a large one in Frankfurt not too long ago. Anyone dealing with land development in N. Europe is well aware of the issue.

In France and Belgium it's even worse as there are still UXOs from WWI. I mean, there's still the 'zone rouge' restrictions in France 100 years after the war.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:04 am

There have been some huge evacuations in Germany while large bombs are dealt with, I recall a very large one was found in Hannover last year leading to several thousand people having to leave their homes for the day.

UK ones only tend to make the national news if they are large, or if they cause a lot of disruption, other then that it usually remains in the local paper.

The best ones are when the village idiot finds a bomb or grenade and takes it to the local police station, usually leading to the area being cleared, the bomb squad called and fresh underwear for the Desk Sergeant.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:19 am

That cases are pretty common also in quite some towns of Northern Italy... I would suppose this is the case for most of Europe. Really, it is not a news for us Europeans! (but it is for everyone else)
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:54 am

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Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:14 am

The good thing is that they found it Sunday giving the airlines plenty of notice for Monday morning.How long it stays closed is another matter, you can't rush these things. Also a controlled explosion may cause other problems, lots of underground telecoms in th area.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:15 am

lightsaber wrote:
A 214m exclusion zone implies they know the bomb size:


Unless that's the exclusion zone for the biggest bomb they know the Luftwaffe had and are preparing for worst case?
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:34 am

Cunard wrote:
I should imagine that there are quite a few unaccounted for unexploded bombs yet to be discovered in the muddy waters of the River Thames and the former London Docks so this latest development doesn't surprise me at all and it wouldn't surprise me either if others were found during the redevelopment process at LCY.

The Royal Navy had to deal with quite a few unexploded bombs when they were recently dredging Portsmouth Harbour over the last few years in readiness for the new aircraft carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.

There must be loads more undiscovered bombs scattered around the United Kingdom and I'm sure that the situation arises quite frequently but not overly reported in other countries such as Germany.


Mate, you get chased out of your house every 3 months in Germany, due to some new local development and ´yet another one found....´ (as they were digging up foundations or that new underground carpark) that needed to be made ´safe´.
That means a very dull day at a local school, or local sports venue etc that acted as evacuation sites, so yes, a huge issue in DE to this very day, especially in the major cities.

But, back to CivAV.........
I also remember, during the development of CGN Airport (UPS Hub expansion on what was a golfcourse before that), we - the local staff - all got an early day off as they were discovered during development of the new hub site. As I recall, all services were stopped during that time also at the airport .......
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:48 am

readytotaxi wrote:
The good thing is that they found it Sunday giving the airlines plenty of notice for Monday morning.How long it stays closed is another matter, you can't rush these things. Also a controlled explosion may cause other problems, lots of underground telecoms in th area.


They don´t generally ´blow them up´, specialists involved just remove the detonator and that's the end of it!

Edit, link (with pics, but german only) of one that was disarmed just near CGN/Cologne Airport in Germany a couple of weeks ago!

https://www.ksta.de/koeln/porz/zehn-zen ... t-29519798
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:13 am

Even rural Cambridgeshire where I live has its share of WW2 munitions, a new ice rink has been delayed for months in order to remove 198 incendiary bombs the Home Guard buried and forgot about, we had lots of bangs from clearing the former RAF Oakington before it is built on, and will soon have the same at the former RAF Waterbeach
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:28 am

I think the germans should pick it up, they left it there.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:35 am

keesje wrote:
I think the germans should pick it up, they left it there.


Does that mean the UK and US should clean up the ones they left in Germany.

It probably evens out :)
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:53 am

FabDiva wrote:
There have been some huge evacuations in Germany while large bombs are dealt with, I recall a very large one was found in Hannover last year leading to several thousand people having to leave their homes for the day.

UK ones only tend to make the national news if they are large, or if they cause a lot of disruption, other then that it usually remains in the local paper.

The best ones are when the village idiot finds a bomb or grenade and takes it to the local police station, usually leading to the area being cleared, the bomb squad called and fresh underwear for the Desk Sergeant.


Indeed so, as a kid in the late 70's I was playing with friends in the foundations of a new hospital under construction in our town and we found an unexploded German bomb. The army came along and dealt with it, and our little gang were lauded as local heroes, and given a front page story including our picture in the local newspaper. ;-)
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:00 am

lightsaber wrote:
I'd like to know more. A 214m exclusion zone implies they know the bomb size:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -in-thames

Usually I can de-code the rubbish printed in newspapers, but this 214m has me beat. (the usual answer is that somebody made a comment about a ¼mile exclusion zone, and a newspaper reporter from a younger generation then converted it to metres, totally failing to appreciate that converting an approximation to 3 s.f. is totally pointless). But 214metres doesn't convert to anything I recognise. I note that it was a spokesperson for the airport (not the Police) who mentioned 214m, and it seems perfectly possible he/she actually said "240m". :roll:
I conclude the Police probably looked at a street map, drew rough 200 yard (or metre) demarcation lines, and then stretched them out to avoid bisecting individual properties. Journalists did the rest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_precision

Second observation; the media headlines refer to a "bomb" but the Met Police & RN refer to "ordnance" and "device". Let us not forget that this is adjacent to the River Thames and could have been something that fell off a boat, although one would hope that in most cases, efforts were made to recover the device as soon as the problem was identified back in WWII. It is also possible that it is an unexploded AA shell; for instance the heaviest ack-ack gun in use would launch a 25kg shell, although there were numerous safeguards to prevent vast numbers of these from returning back to earth and causing more damage than the German bombers themselves. Finally, it could even be an old sea mine that either drifted in on the tide, or got dragged along in the wake behind some vessel.

Having said all that, it is most likely either a 50kg or 250kg bomb. And even if it isn't, media reports will continue to describe it as a bomb.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:26 am

readytotaxi wrote:
The good thing is that they found it Sunday giving the airlines plenty of notice for Monday morning.How long it stays closed is another matter, you can't rush these things. Also a controlled explosion may cause other problems, lots of underground telecoms in th area.

From the various clues (Royal Navy specialists, King George V dock, "bomb found in River Thames") I conclude this device was found under water.
The River Thames, and KGV dock are two distinct and different locations, but that's just sloppy journalism at work.
I don't believe underground telecoms are at threat in either case.

As it is, the worst scenario is that residents, onlookers and airport workers might get covered in filthy water.

If Royal Navy divers are de-fusing/clearing the device in-situ, the divers are potentially at risk from vibrations due to nearby aircraft movements, although the device has survived so far without any problem.

If the RN team are bringing it to the surface to deal with it there, then I would agree we have a bigger potential for trouble, and it would be at that point that I would instigate a 200m exclusion zone. But I also have utmost faith in the RN dealing with this without any drama, as they have done regularly for many years. Closing the airport for the entire day is ....... :roll:

****Update*****
The device has now been identified as a 500kg German bomb, one of the larger bomb sizes used by the Luftwaffe.

When work begins to lift and remove the device, the exclusion zone will be extended to 250m and more properties will need to be evacuated,

:D (see above...)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43027472
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Re: London City Airport (EGLC/LCY) closed due to unexploded WW2 bomb (11 Feb '18)

Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:13 pm

I'm pretty sure it's just a 700 ft. exclusion zone that got converted to meters in the press.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:59 pm

Reports suggest they are going to float it down river with the out going tide in the early hours of the morning and blow it up at sea so the airport should be operating first thing.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:19 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's just a 700 ft. exclusion zone that got converted to meters in the press.


Not in the UK would they are metric.

It would normally be 200m while they drill into the case by hand and inject salt water to make the fuse useless. They would them move the device take it offshore and do a controlled explosion under water.
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:21 pm

Cunard wrote:
There must be loads more undiscovered bombs scattered around the United Kingdom and I'm sure that the situation arises quite frequently but not overly reported in other countries such as Germany.


We've got enough of our own.
Some time ago all the wartime aerial reconnaissance photos were made available.
This lead to significantly increased search and recovery activities.
Still ongoing. Afaik they've found more unexploded ordinance in the last 10 years
than in the 50 before. Except for just after the war when traces were still fresh.

Was Britain ever in the possession of comparable German documentation?
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:25 pm

zeke wrote:
LupineChemist wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's just a 700 ft. exclusion zone that got converted to meters in the press.


Not in the UK would they are metric.


Distances are very much inches/feet/miles in the UK
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:41 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's just a 700 ft. exclusion zone that got converted to meters in the press.


There is a video message from the CEO of LCY on the airport's Facebook page and he clearly refers to a "214 metre cordon". He also confirms that the find is a 500kg WW2 bomb
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:18 pm

In a statement, Scotland Yard said: 'The device has been examined by Met Police and Royal Navy dive teams and is confirmed as being a 1,100lb tapered-end shell, measuring approximately 5-ft.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:55 am

kjeld0d wrote:
In a statement, Scotland Yard said: 'The device has been examined by Met Police and Royal Navy dive teams and is confirmed as being a 1,100lb tapered-end shell, measuring approximately 5-ft.


Except the statement did not say that

“The transportation of the device - confirmed by Met and Royal Navy dive teams as a 500kg tapered end shell measuring approximately 1.5m - will impact on river traffic and motorists are advised that bridges along the route will be temporarily closed to traffic.”

From http://news.met.police.uk/news/world-wa ... rea-294170
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:27 pm

Just to wrap this thread up....
LCY London City Airport re-opened this morning for business as usual.

Meanwhile the bomb itself has been lifted, and taken down the River Thames for disposal by controlled explosion somewhere off Southend

En route early this morning, it passed under the Dartford Crossing/QEII Bridge where at 08:55am the bridge was closed to traffic because of....

......another WWII bomb. :rotfl:

You know how the Brits love their special offers; BOGOF! Buy One - Get On Free.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l?ITO=1490

To be fair to the Daily Mail, the article above, whilst headlining the discovery of a second bomb 9 miles down the Thames, is probably the best summary of events at LCY that I have seen so far, particularly in terms of pics.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Zeke (& others)
Whilst the UK is nominally using the metric system, in many cases it reverts to good old imperial measures.
LupineChemist wrote:
Distances are very much inches/feet/miles in the UK

The proof of this is that whilst official statements refer to a "500kg" German bomb, 1.5m in length, these numbers are often translated for easier understanding by the masses.
Hence;
BBC; "500kg bomb, 1.5m length, 214m exclusion zone"
The Guardian; "500kg bomb, 1.5m length, 214m exclusion zone"
The Telegraph; "500kg bomb, 1.5m length, 214m exclusion zone"
The Daily Mail; "1,100 lb bomb, 5 ft long, 700 ft......" :lol:

To be fair, the younger generation, raised on metric measures, are only interested in facebook and what their favourite celebrity had for breakfast.
Whereas news of these WWII bombs is more relevant to an older generation who relate to imperial units, and who are concerned both from a historical perspective, and also because it interrupts their travel plans in terms of going to work; something they have to do so that the younger generation can laze around at home all day playing video games..... :roll:

:old: + :white:

Anyways...What was it you posted yesterday?
zeke wrote:
“The transportation of the device - confirmed by Met and Royal Navy dive teams as a 500kg tapered end shell measuring approximately 1.5m - will impact on river traffic and motorists are advised that bridges along the route will be temporarily closed to traffic.”

I guess you called it right. :spin:

Royal Navy team preparing to remove the "1,100lb bomb" by dragging it underwater for detonation by a controlled explosion
Note; Original picture is from UK Ministry of Defence, but here lifted from the Daily Mail site
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:11 pm

I still remember when ordnance survey went metric in the 1970s, maps went metric. Then they were no longer part of the MOD.

Moving it underwater is by far the safest due to the higher density of water, if it did explode little chance of shrapnel causing damage is low.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:10 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Just to wrap this thread up....
LCY London City Airport re-opened this morning for business as usual.

Meanwhile the bomb itself has been lifted, and taken down the River Thames for disposal by controlled explosion somewhere off Southend

En route early this morning, it passed under the Dartford Crossing/QEII Bridge where at 08:55am the bridge was closed to traffic because of....

......another WWII bomb. :rotfl:

You know how the Brits love their special offers; BOGOF! Buy One - Get On Free.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l?ITO=1490

To be fair to the Daily Mail, the article above, whilst headlining the discovery of a second bomb 9 miles down the Thames, is probably the best summary of events at LCY that I have seen so far, particularly in terms of pics.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Zeke (& others)
Whilst the UK is nominally using the metric system, in many cases it reverts to good old imperial measures.
LupineChemist wrote:
Distances are very much inches/feet/miles in the UK

The proof of this is that whilst official statements refer to a "500kg" German bomb, 1.5m in length, these numbers are often translated for easier understanding by the masses.
Hence;
BBC; "500kg bomb, 1.5m length, 214m exclusion zone"
The Guardian; "500kg bomb, 1.5m length, 214m exclusion zone"
The Telegraph; "500kg bomb, 1.5m length, 214m exclusion zone"
The Daily Mail; "1,100 lb bomb, 5 ft long, 700 ft......" :lol:

To be fair, the younger generation, raised on metric measures, are only interested in facebook and what their favourite celebrity had for breakfast.
Whereas news of these WWII bombs is more relevant to an older generation who relate to imperial units, and who are concerned both from a historical perspective, and also because it interrupts their travel plans in terms of going to work; something they have to do so that the younger generation can laze around at home all day playing video games..... :roll:

:old: + :white:

Anyways...What was it you posted yesterday?
zeke wrote:
“The transportation of the device - confirmed by Met and Royal Navy dive teams as a 500kg tapered end shell measuring approximately 1.5m - will impact on river traffic and motorists are advised that bridges along the route will be temporarily closed to traffic.”

I guess you called it right. :spin:

Royal Navy team preparing to remove the "1,100lb bomb" by dragging it underwater for detonation by a controlled explosion
Note; Original picture is from UK Ministry of Defence, but here lifted from the Daily Mail site
Image


Good news that the bomb has been safely disposed of.

Also, I am from the "younger generation" you speak of and I am much more interested in history than what people eat for breakfast. That said, I do enjoy video games, but I also work full time.
While I agree imperial units can be more historically relevant, I feel the rest of your post is a little rough and not a fair comment at all.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:39 pm

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Good news that the bomb has been safely disposed of.

Also, I am from the "younger generation" you speak of and I am much more interested in history than what people eat for breakfast. That said, I do enjoy video games, but I also work full time.
While I agree imperial units can be more historically relevant, I feel the rest of your post is a little rough and not a fair comment at all.

Hey, welcome to the boards, :D
.....and my post wasn't just a "little rough" on the younger generation, it was disgracefully so. And totally unfair. :lol: :white:

Besides, my nurse told me I should apologise to everyone under 35, or else she would park my wheelchair facing the wall, and confiscate the TV remote for the rest of the day. :hissyfit:

So, please don't mind my comments or take offence - hopefully you'll soon get used to my off-piste sense of humour.
(Indeed, I've been told that even I was young, once, long, long ago) :spin:

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:06 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
D7A330 wrote:
Good news that the bomb has been safely disposed of.

Also, I am from the "younger generation" you speak of and I am much more interested in history than what people eat for breakfast. That said, I do enjoy video games, but I also work full time.
While I agree imperial units can be more historically relevant, I feel the rest of your post is a little rough and not a fair comment at all.

Hey, welcome to the boards, :D
.....and my post wasn't just a "little rough" on the younger generation, it was disgracefully so. And totally unfair. :lol: :white:

Besides, my nurse told me I should apologise to everyone under 35, or else she would park my wheelchair facing the wall, and confiscate the TV remote for the rest of the day. :hissyfit:

So, please don't mind my comments or take offence - hopefully you'll soon get used to my off-piste sense of humour.
(Indeed, I've been told that even I was young, once, long, long ago) :spin:

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You, sir, have made my night! :D I'll have to smuggle a stiff drink past your nurse as a peace offering for jumping to conclusions :champagne:

Thank you for the warm welcome!

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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos