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Varsity1 wrote:Delta knows if they sour the relationship with Boeing much more, it will ruin any negotiation advantage they have with Airbus. Airbus has a captive audience with Delta on anything larger than a C-Series and will price accordingly.
PixelPilot wrote:Interesting.
Did they get tired of being called "traitors" for not buying more from Boeing??![]()
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Jokes aside this could definitely be the deciding factor for Boeing to go all in.
ADrum23 wrote:Should probably buy some Dreamliners first, but this is an interesting development if true.
727200 wrote:I thought I read that UA and SW will be the launch customers; and more articles pointed to UA. Guess DL realized they missed the boat on the 787 and figure they better not be left all alone again.
jfk777 wrote:AS a huge user of 767 Delta and the world has been waiting too long for the 797. Boeing has been too worried about the "Emiratization" of the world's airplanes beling able to fly 8,000 miles. No one bothered to ask about the 5,000 mile market. The 787-9 and 777-9 fly up to 9,000 miles and that cost money in extra weight that has to be carried for all that extra fuel, one problem is many airlines use 777 & 787 on 5,000 flights. Seattle forgot about the 767, even though the A330 killed it. The 797 is a plane that should have been built circa 2005.
jubguy3 wrote:DL realized that the 787 wasn't the right aircraft at the right time for them.
Antarius wrote:727200 wrote:I thought I read that UA and SW will be the launch customers; and more articles pointed to UA. Guess DL realized they missed the boat on the 787 and figure they better not be left all alone again.
SW like Southwest?
I highly doubt WN/Southwest is abandoning its successful single type rating model to introduce a 797.
727200 wrote:I thought I read that UA and SW will be the launch customers; and more articles pointed to UA. Guess DL realized they missed the boat on the 787 and figure they better not be left all alone again.
jubguy3 wrote:727200 wrote:I thought I read that UA and SW will be the launch customers; and more articles pointed to UA. Guess DL realized they missed the boat on the 787 and figure they better not be left all alone again.
They missed the boat the same way AA is presumably going to "miss the boat" on the A350 when they are expected to cancel their A350 order. Certain aircraft meet certain demands, and DL realized that the 787 wasn't the right aircraft at the right time for them.
And SW isn't an airline code. It's funny how Delta chooses the right aircraft for their fleet and people lose their minds thinking they are abandoning Boeing. The 797 will fit well into Delta's fleet. Within the last few years it has made sense for Delta to order Airbus aircraft, but as with any large airline, a single brand will not meet their needs, so they are cyclicly going to gravitate towards Boeing aircraft that meet their needs. It's funny that DL has made an enemy in the Boeing fans on this website because they will still operate more Boeing aircraft in the future than Airbus aircraft.
Anyways, I feel that the 797 is a great fit for Deltas fleet based on everything we understand about it. They don't buy aircraft to appease to political standings...
NWAROOSTER wrote:Just my opinion. Delta has little or no interest in the Boeing 787. They cancelled their orders that they picked up due to their merger with Northwest Airlines. Delta took extra 737s. Delta had sufficient aircraft so the 787 did not fit into their needs. Now their is a need developing and and will retire aircraft that are starting to get long in the tooth when something like the 797 will be available.
ADrum23 wrote:jubguy3 wrote:DL realized that the 787 wasn't the right aircraft at the right time for them.
Which honestly is a little surprising, with all the p2p TATL flying they do. It just seems the 787-8 would have been a perfect replacement for the 767's they had on those routes. The order they had must not have been a good deal I guess. Perhaps the 797 will be in lieu of ordering the 787.
ikolkyo wrote:Antarius wrote:727200 wrote:I thought I read that UA and SW will be the launch customers; and more articles pointed to UA. Guess DL realized they missed the boat on the 787 and figure they better not be left all alone again.
SW like Southwest?
I highly doubt WN/Southwest is abandoning its successful single type rating model to introduce a 797.
If they want to grow internationally, the 797 will be logical next step for them and honestly I think it’s absolute perfect timing for them with when the 797 is expected to EIS.
ikolkyo wrote:Antarius wrote:727200 wrote:I thought I read that UA and SW will be the launch customers; and more articles pointed to UA. Guess DL realized they missed the boat on the 787 and figure they better not be left all alone again.
SW like Southwest?
I highly doubt WN/Southwest is abandoning its successful single type rating model to introduce a 797.
If they want to grow internationally, the 797 will be logical next step for them and honestly I think it’s absolute perfect timing for them with when the 797 is expected to EIS.
ADrum23 wrote:Exactly. They don't need to abandon their business model that has made them successful, but there are certains areas where WN needs to grow up and start acting like other airlines. Codesharing with foreign carriers and expanding international service are among those areas. The 797 would be the perfect plane for them to start TATL service with.
Antarius wrote:ADrum23 wrote:Exactly. They don't need to abandon their business model that has made them successful, but there are certains areas where WN needs to grow up and start acting like other airlines. Codesharing with foreign carriers and expanding international service are among those areas. The 797 would be the perfect plane for them to start TATL service with.
Why do they need to "grow up and start acting like other airlines"? If they have happy shareholders, happy customers and happy crew/staff then why break from your mold to try to flight with competitors while adding a large cost structure?
Codesharing would be great, but IMO, every airline does not need to fly the latest and greatest and expand internationally. \
Antarius wrote:ADrum23 wrote:Exactly. They don't need to abandon their business model that has made them successful, but there are certains areas where WN needs to grow up and start acting like other airlines. Codesharing with foreign carriers and expanding international service are among those areas. The 797 would be the perfect plane for them to start TATL service with.
Why do they need to "grow up and start acting like other airlines"? If they have happy shareholders, happy customers and happy crew/staff then why break from your mold to try to flight with competitors while adding a large cost structure?
Codesharing would be great, but IMO, every airline does not need to fly the latest and greatest and expand internationally. \
jfk777 wrote:AS a huge user of 767 Delta and the world has been waiting too long for the 797. Boeing has been too worried about the "Emiratization" of the world's airplanes beling able to fly 8,000 miles. No one bothered to ask about the 5,000 mile market. The 787-9 and 777-9 fly up to 9,000 miles and that cost money in extra weight that has to be carried for all that extra fuel, one problem is many airlines use 777 & 787 on 5,000 flights. Seattle forgot about the 767, even though the A330 killed it. The 797 is a plane that should have been built circa 2005.
ikolkyo wrote:Varsity1 wrote:Delta knows if they sour the relationship with Boeing much more, it will ruin any negotiation advantage they have with Airbus. Airbus has a captive audience with Delta on anything larger than a C-Series and will price accordingly.
Or they are interested in this aircraft like all the other US3 have shown (including Delta) since the first talks of this aircraft.
Revelation wrote:
Antarius wrote:I highly doubt WN/Southwest is abandoning its successful single type rating model to introduce a 797.
william wrote:So we have major airlines from around the world who have seen the preliminary specs for this aircraft are gushing about it. Boeing may have another order “euphoria” like they experienced with the 787.
Varsity1 wrote:Delta knows if they sour the relationship with Boeing much more, it will ruin any negotiation advantage they have with Airbus. Airbus has a captive audience with Delta on anything larger than a C-Series and will price accordingly.
DaufuskieGuy wrote:re dl and the 787, i think you can make the case that their 350s will fit into almost all the routes where they could have deployed the 787. Given the sizable 757/767 fleets in the US3, I think they are all ideal 797 candidates, the gap (that the 757/767 currently occupy) between the 321 and 330 is large, both in capacity and range. Also I think 787 use on northeast TATL routes is overkill, it was not designed for those missions.
MIflyer12 wrote:Varsity1 wrote:Delta knows if they sour the relationship with Boeing much more, it will ruin any negotiation advantage they have with Airbus. Airbus has a captive audience with Delta on anything larger than a C-Series and will price accordingly.
I would offer a different rationale: they think 788s and 338/339 aren't quite right for many of the TATL routes that see 763s today. Premium cabin passengers want non-stop. They can't push everything thru Paris and Amsterdam and have good yields.
MIflyer12 wrote:Varsity1 wrote:Delta knows if they sour the relationship with Boeing much more, it will ruin any negotiation advantage they have with Airbus. Airbus has a captive audience with Delta on anything larger than a C-Series and will price accordingly.
I would offer a different rationale: they think 788s and 338/339 aren't quite right for many of the TATL routes that see 763s today. Premium cabin passengers want non-stop. They can't push everything thru Paris and Amsterdam and have good yields.
dochawk2 wrote:Here is an article from Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... yptr=yahoo
Personally, I would love for this to be the case. We shall see! I guess they actually need to design and build one first. May the 797 take flight and create 30 years more of threads on Airliners.net!!!!
william wrote:Revelation wrote:
That post almost cost me a new keyboard when I first read it.
Revelation wrote:
jubguy3 wrote:And SW isn't an airline code.
Arion640 wrote:jfk777 wrote:AS a huge user of 767 Delta and the world has been waiting too long for the 797. Boeing has been too worried about the "Emiratization" of the world's airplanes beling able to fly 8,000 miles. No one bothered to ask about the 5,000 mile market. The 787-9 and 777-9 fly up to 9,000 miles and that cost money in extra weight that has to be carried for all that extra fuel, one problem is many airlines use 777 & 787 on 5,000 flights. Seattle forgot about the 767, even though the A330 killed it. The 797 is a plane that should have been built circa 2005.
The Emiratization of airplanes? You just said yourself the MOM should of been built in 2005. Boeing made the cock up by not re engining the 757 and/or 767 earlier. Not sure what Emirates has to do with this?