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pmartin wrote:Starting December
hynithuchi wrote:berari wrote:Manchester is now finally showing up in booking systems as announced via BRU 4x per week. BRU will be served via VIE on the rest of the days. VIE will cut back to 6 days per week.
Also new is that GVA will be served via FCO and not MXP as originally planned.
VIE as of now has three flights going on to MXP and three terminator service. I see the latter as being opportunity/precursor for expansion, but to where?
Where did you find that GVA is now served via FCO instead of MXP ? Their first flight last SUN was via MXP and I've checked flights up to mid NOV in their booking system and they are all still shown via MXP.
While the government will continue to hold the largest stake in these companies, "the rest of the shares will be offered to domestic and foreign investors," the Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF) said in a statement.
The policy is "to enable Ethiopia-born citizens living abroad who´ve long wished to work on the development of their country, and also to enable foreigners who have the knowledge and foreign currency, to play a positive role in our growth," the ruling party wrote on Facebook.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/ar ... lecom.html
2travel2know2 wrote:berari wrote:No analysis, unless you had insider information, could have landed one to bet on MAN. ET's primary targets have been Star Alliance hubs which they continue to expand into, which is where one would have better odds. At the same time, you have folks that suggest ET fly into PTY.
ET to PTY, that'd be the day. And perhaps before EK makes it to PTY.
Seriously, if ET wants to link Star Alliance hubs ADD and PTY, best would be to do it via a European airport not currently having flights to PTY in the likes of "an airport in London", BCN, AGP, FCO, MXP. If that airport happens to be another Star Alliance hub (like LIS, ZRH, CPH, MUC, VIE, ZAG, ATH, CAI) that'd really be a bonus.
aemoreira1981 wrote:2travel2know2 wrote:berari wrote:No analysis, unless you had insider information, could have landed one to bet on MAN. ET's primary targets have been Star Alliance hubs which they continue to expand into, which is where one would have better odds. At the same time, you have folks that suggest ET fly into PTY.
ET to PTY, that'd be the day. And perhaps before EK makes it to PTY.
Seriously, if ET wants to link Star Alliance hubs ADD and PTY, best would be to do it via a European airport not currently having flights to PTY in the likes of "an airport in London", BCN, AGP, FCO, MXP. If that airport happens to be another Star Alliance hub (like LIS, ZRH, CPH, MUC, VIE, ZAG, ATH, CAI) that'd really be a bonus.
ZRH would make perfect sense if you ask me, as Panama City is the major center of banking in Central America, and there is also banking in Switzerland. I would say maybe 2x ADD-ZRH-PTY and 2x ADD-GVA-PTY. I'm pretty sure LX and LH will be glad to apply their codes to the flight; neither Swiss nor Edelweiss serve PTY from ZRH, and Swiss doesn't do any long-haul from Geneva except to JFK. (LH does serve PTY from FRA using CityLine A343s.)
berari wrote:aemoreira1981 wrote:2travel2know2 wrote:ET to PTY, that'd be the day. And perhaps before EK makes it to PTY.
Seriously, if ET wants to link Star Alliance hubs ADD and PTY, best would be to do it via a European airport not currently having flights to PTY in the likes of "an airport in London", BCN, AGP, FCO, MXP. If that airport happens to be another Star Alliance hub (like LIS, ZRH, CPH, MUC, VIE, ZAG, ATH, CAI) that'd really be a bonus.
ZRH would make perfect sense if you ask me, as Panama City is the major center of banking in Central America, and there is also banking in Switzerland. I would say maybe 2x ADD-ZRH-PTY and 2x ADD-GVA-PTY. I'm pretty sure LX and LH will be glad to apply their codes to the flight; neither Swiss nor Edelweiss serve PTY from ZRH, and Swiss doesn't do any long-haul from Geneva except to JFK. (LH does serve PTY from FRA using CityLine A343s.)
What sort of traffic would ET be depending on to make this work? How much Africa-PTY traffic is there that could justify this?
berari wrote:The first arrival to GVA is captured here. Sadly no water gun salute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImH9FB5VY1o
seabosdca wrote:The network ET has been able to build is particularly impressive given conditions at ADD. They have to be very selective in their fleet choices, and cannot operate most stretch aircraft on any routes longer than regional routes. The entire fleet was clearly chosen with hot and high performance in mind, and is not as efficient as similarly modern fleets elsewhere.
If one of the airlines based from a sea-level hub in NE or W Africa ever gets as organized as ET, ET will have a battle on its hands. But for now what they're doing is incredible.
SCQ83 wrote:I think ADD-BCN-PTY could make sense since there is no carrier opening BCN-PTY in a foreseeable future.
Then ET could change the MAD-BCN tag and start a ADD-MAD-LIS tag.
evanb wrote:Addis might be high altitude, but it's hardly a "hot" city, because of the altitude. The record high is only 32 Celcius! In terms of fleet selection these days, it's difficult to purchase anything on the books of Airbus or Boeing these days which don't perform decently at altitude.
seabosdca wrote:ADD is high enough that it really does have an effect. The 787-9 can't fly to North America or the Far East with a reasonable payload. Even the mighty 77W doesn't typically fly farther than nine hours. The long stuff has to be flown by 788 or 77L, neither of which is known for outstanding economics. The 359 is the one aircraft that isn't a shrink that really does give them flexibility out of ADD.
berari wrote:seabosdca wrote:ADD is high enough that it really does have an effect. The 787-9 can't fly to North America or the Far East with a reasonable payload. Even the mighty 77W doesn't typically fly farther than nine hours. The long stuff has to be flown by 788 or 77L, neither of which is known for outstanding economics. The 359 is the one aircraft that isn't a shrink that really does give them flexibility out of ADD.
I have wondered why the A359 is relegated to only European and far East Asian destinations as it relates to long haul services, and not to destinations like IAD that could use the performance and/or payload it offers. IAD, which sees ET's largest aircraft, gets the 77W during peak season. With the addition of ORD as a new destination and better connectivity options at ORD, I wonder if ET will sustain the 77W on that route.
Also, from what I am seeing, ET deploys the B789 to CDG, while it deploys the A359 to FRA and LHR. The missions appear to be very similar, but why the difference in aircraft type? What contributing factors are there beyond passenger count?
seabosdca wrote:ADD is high enough that it really does have an effect. The 787-9 can't fly to North America or the Far East with a reasonable payload. Even the mighty 77W doesn't typically fly farther than nine hours. The long stuff has to be flown by 788 or 77L, neither of which is known for outstanding economics. The 359 is the one aircraft that isn't a shrink that really does give them flexibility out of ADD.
RainerBoeing777 wrote:Ethiopian Airlines launches Istanbul and Moscow! now there are 15 destinations in Europe without a doubt this 2018 has been a great growth, I hope that the arrival of the new airplanes continue opening much more and more destinations! I just want to see you soon in Australia
https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/1002998727601033216
SurlyBonds wrote:RainerBoeing777 wrote:Ethiopian Airlines launches Istanbul and Moscow! now there are 15 destinations in Europe without a doubt this 2018 has been a great growth, I hope that the arrival of the new airplanes continue opening much more and more destinations! I just want to see you soon in Australia
https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/1002998727601033216
This says that the route will be ADD-IST-SVO. Will ET have fifth-freedom rights to carry pax IST-SVO?
BawliBooch wrote:Ethiopian Govt is selling off a stake in ET - partly on the open market and partly to a strategic investor.
According to some sources, a South African Telecom major is leading the race.
In a related news, Ethiopian is planning to connect Africa with Australia by air transport. On the sidelines of the 74th Annual General Meeting of the International Air Transport Association (IATA) and World Air Transport Summit that was held in Sydney, Australia, Tewolde told The Reporter that Ethiopian was undertaking a study on the Australian market. “We are planning to open a new route between Addis Ababa and Melbourne. We are targeting Ethiopian and other African diaspora residing in Australia,” Tewolde said. The flag carrier is planning to fly to Melbourne via Bangkok, Singapore or Seychelles.
iadadd wrote:I'm hopping for a ADD-MEL nonstop, at least only a tech stop. ET needs to not add any more 5th freedoms; their European network is full of them and it looks so tacky and haphazard.
filipair wrote:ADD-SEZ-MEL would be amazing! Offering Australians easy access to the beautiful Seychelles as well connecting opportunities across Africa and Europe. That said, a flight via BKK and SIN would probably integrate better with Ethiopian's existing network. Would a A350 be able to fly direct?
Dreaming here, but ADD-PER non-stop and ADD-MRU-SYD could be in the cards as well.
devron wrote:https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/210347/ethiopian-airlines-cancels-planned-munich-service-from-december-2013/
I think Ethiopian would love to fly to MUN but no idea what is stoping them. The above artical even says that opened reservations once.
globetrotter94 wrote:In terms of Australia, I wonder if Ethiopian could become a competitive contender on the Kangaroo Route. According to Great Circle Mapper, LHR-ADD-SYD, at 11,500mi is only 1,000mi more than the great circle route between LHR and SYD.
[email protected] wrote:globetrotter94 wrote:In terms of Australia, I wonder if Ethiopian could become a competitive contender on the Kangaroo Route. According to Great Circle Mapper, LHR-ADD-SYD, at 11,500mi is only 1,000mi more than the great circle route between LHR and SYD.
Why would it want to? Very competitive routes (UK-Australia) and more expensive for ET to operate.
Ethiopian Airlines is procuring twelve General Electric engines valued at $444 million, as well as a separate $473.5 million 10-year maintenance contract. Ethiopian Airlines has also signed two contracts with Honeywell – a $10.2 million deal for the Bole Airport expansion and a $7.2 million Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) service contract.
https://www.borkena.com/2018/06/25/fbi- ... -airlines/
berari wrote:Who can speculate what these engines are for? B77Fs? Or more B788s?
berari wrote:Ethiopian is resuming flights to Asmara in Eritrea on July 18. It last flew there over 20 years ago.
berari wrote:Ethiopian is resuming flights to Asmara in Eritrea on July 18. It last flew there over 20 years ago.
iadadd wrote:berari wrote:Ethiopian is resuming flights to Asmara in Eritrea on July 18. It last flew there over 20 years ago.
Starts as 1 daily, but according to Tewolde flights will increase to multiple daily in addition to dedicated cargo flights. Exciting times ahead
berari wrote:Ethiopian took delivery of its first 737-8 MAX yesterday. There are 29 more to be delivered. The config on the MAX gives them 6 more seats than the 154-seat 738s they now fly.
berari wrote:iadadd wrote:berari wrote:Ethiopian is resuming flights to Asmara in Eritrea on July 18. It last flew there over 20 years ago.
Starts as 1 daily, but according to Tewolde flights will increase to multiple daily in addition to dedicated cargo flights. Exciting times ahead
I'm amazed at how hastily this is all evolving. It was only a month ago that Ethiopia accepted the border decision, and as though no animosity ever existed, it's all moving quite rapidly including Ethiopian starting daily flights and everything else that's being talked about. Fares start at around $247USD round trip and while the first flight on the 18th will be on a B788, subsequent flights will be on a B738 according to posted schedules.
RainerBoeing777 wrote:I hope for a bigger expansion in North Africa, increasing destinations in Egypt (CAI) and new routes such as ALG, CMN and TUN
Pepper456 wrote:Open LIS and OPO to do concorrence to TAAG and TAP in Africa. Do like JJ did recently in LIS.
RainerBoeing777 wrote:Ethiopian Airlines launches Istanbul and Moscow! now there are 15 destinations in Europe without a doubt this 2018 has been a great growth, I hope that the arrival of the new airplanes continue opening much more and more destinations! I just want to see you soon in Australia
https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/1002998727601033216