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AF022
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:15 pm

vinniewinnie wrote:
I just flew this morning via ADD and must admit it is quite an impressive operation. All these inbound flights from Europe and Asia doing quick turn arounds to serve African destinations during the day before heading once again to Europe and Asia is proof that there is space for an African player.

Now I actually came from Kinshasa in order to connect to a flight to Yaoundé. Looking at other African flights arriving in the early morning, I was actually wondering whether there is scope for more night time African flights in order to provide further intra-African connections? were B737maxes scheduled to operate more flights such as these? Rather than thinking about fancy long haul destinations, maybe there is more opportunity at the African level?


Their operation at LFW accomplishes this.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:54 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
berari wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

You’re full of it. Go troll somewhere else.


Ethiopian is adding a fourth weekly flight to Houston starting in June. I expect to see it go daily within 2 years.


Very happy to hear that! Im taking it in April to JNB.

Good luck with that, air travel may be a thing of the past if the virus knocks out the US. You might be taking a slow boat to South Africa.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:08 pm

bravotango75 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
berari wrote:

Ethiopian is adding a fourth weekly flight to Houston starting in June. I expect to see it go daily within 2 years.


Very happy to hear that! Im taking it in April to JNB.

Good luck with that, air travel may be a thing of the past if the virus knocks out the US. You might be taking a slow boat to South Africa.


Please, save the hysteria. CONVID19 is a virus—a relatively mild one—that has infected the media and, by extension, the psyche of those unwilling to educate themselves with actual data.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:34 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines consolidates its operations in Europe much of its network go to see non-stop flights

Brussels, Vienna, Manchester, Marseilla and Milan become all non-stop without any stopover

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289817/ethiopian-airlines-europe-service-changes-from-july-2020/


Very positive for ET at MAN. I thought a TATL tag would be needed for that - hope it pays off.
 
berari
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:05 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines consolidates its operations in Europe much of its network go to see non-stop flights

Brussels, Vienna, Manchester, Marseilla and Milan become all non-stop without any stopover

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289817/ethiopian-airlines-europe-service-changes-from-july-2020/


Very positive for ET at MAN. I thought a TATL tag would be needed for that - hope it pays off.


If the passenger numbers are there, I would imagine it is also more efficient than having a crew change along the way and extra crew for the leg.

TATL is already served via DUB where the stop is only needed westbound. Unless ET is going into new thin territory, its current model works and meets the banks at ADD.

Who has flown the ADD-FCO-EWR-IAD run before? :old:
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:31 am

Not sure if anything has info on this. But given ET's European flights tend to have a 12-15 hour gap between morning arrival and evening departure, does this mean that the same crew which operated the incoming flight can return back the same night to ADD ?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:57 am

iadadd wrote:
Not sure if anything has info on this. But given ET's European flights tend to have a 12-15 hour gap between morning arrival and evening departure, does this mean that the same crew which operated the incoming flight can return back the same night to ADD ?

Yes that has been the case with all European destinations for a while now
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:52 am

dkny wrote:
iadadd wrote:
Not sure if anything has info on this. But given ET's European flights tend to have a 12-15 hour gap between morning arrival and evening departure, does this mean that the same crew which operated the incoming flight can return back the same night to ADD ?

Yes that has been the case with all European destinations for a while now



Including pilots?
 
berari
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:58 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines consolidates its operations in Europe much of its network go to see non-stop flights

Brussels, Vienna, Manchester, Marseilla and Milan become all non-stop without any stopover

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289817/ethiopian-airlines-europe-service-changes-from-july-2020/


This latest update has me thinking that ET now has the following terminator flights that are ripe for extension into new markets:
- FCO: 4 out of 7 weekly flights go to MAD. The other 3 days can be used to open new market.
- VIE: this 6 weekly terminator service is the shortest European terminator service with aircraft on the ground. Ripe for new market.
- MXP: daily terminator service that could extend to a new market

So what are your thoughts? What new markets can you think of?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:21 pm

gabep wrote:
avel may be a thing of the past if the virus knocks out the US. You might be taking a slow boat to South Africa.


Please, save the hysteria. CONVID19 is a virus—a relatively mild one—that has infected the media and, by extension, the psyche of those unwilling to educate themselves with actual data.[/quote]

Please save the ignorance. It's not mild. Do you think countries of the world are okay with wiping out billions of dollars for some snizzles? It's extremely virulent and proven deadly too.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:13 pm

calstanford wrote:
gabep wrote:
avel may be a thing of the past if the virus knocks out the US. You might be taking a slow boat to South Africa.


Please, save the hysteria. CONVID19 is a virus—a relatively mild one—that has infected the media and, by extension, the psyche of those unwilling to educate themselves with actual data.


Please save the ignorance. It's not mild. Do you think countries of the world are okay with wiping out billions of dollars for some snizzles? It's extremely virulent and proven deadly too.[/quote]

This is not comparable to SARS and Ebola which killed large numbers of able bodied people. This has a much lower death rate.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
 
jumbojettony
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:08 am

Any progression in terms of starting YUL? Or still problems with the government in terms of slots?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:05 am

bravotango75 wrote:
berari wrote:
Ethiopian started flights to Houston today. Looking at bookings for the next few weeks, flight out of Houston is almost or completely sold out.

Yields are what counts, not full cabins. I predict that Ethiopian will cut Houston inside 2 years, they would have been better selecting BOS.

Lol... this guy is never correct! They are increasing IAH service.
HOUSTON, TEXAS
 
bravotango75
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:44 am

drerx7 wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
berari wrote:
Ethiopian started flights to Houston today. Looking at bookings for the next few weeks, flight out of Houston is almost or completely sold out.

Yields are what counts, not full cabins. I predict that Ethiopian will cut Houston inside 2 years, they would have been better selecting BOS.

Lol... this guy is never correct! They are increasing IAH service.

Perhaps, but with no end in sight with the Coronavirus, it is all moot. International flights will come to a halt, the US (and global) economy will collapse (see the stock market today), Trump will lose to Bolshevik Bernie in Nov, the Communists take over, Houston being an oil town will suffer under the Green New Deal to the point of becoming a wasteland, well, need I continue...?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:20 am

Lmao!!! Case in point
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:31 am

bravotango75 wrote:
drerx7 wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
Yields are what counts, not full cabins. I predict that Ethiopian will cut Houston inside 2 years, they would have been better selecting BOS.

Lol... this guy is never correct! They are increasing IAH service.

Perhaps, but with no end in sight with the Coronavirus, it is all moot. International flights will come to a halt, the US (and global) economy will collapse (see the stock market today), Trump will lose to Bolshevik Bernie in Nov, the Communists take over, Houston being an oil town will suffer under the Green New Deal to the point of becoming a wasteland, well, need I continue...?


Translation:

“WHAAAA. WHAAAA. ETHIOPIAN PICKED HOUSTON OVER BOSTON! I WANT MY BLANKIE!”
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:28 pm

LUKAS10 wrote:
dkny wrote:
iadadd wrote:
Not sure if anything has info on this. But given ET's European flights tend to have a 12-15 hour gap between morning arrival and evening departure, does this mean that the same crew which operated the incoming flight can return back the same night to ADD ?

Yes that has been the case with all European destinations for a while now



Including pilots?


I thought LHR was the only EU destination where they didn't park the aircraft on the ground for over 12-15 hours?
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:38 pm

Do they still fly to SG? Is it direct or via BKK? I am sure a few years back my fifth freedom on ET was BKK-SIN, but it may have been KUL-SIN, as I did so many of those flights 2011-2016 :D
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:53 am

lesfalls wrote:
LUKAS10 wrote:
dkny wrote:
Yes that has been the case with all European destinations for a while now



Including pilots?


I thought LHR was the only EU destination where they didn't park the aircraft on the ground for over 12-15 hours?


It depends, given LHR has an additional 3x weekly daytime flights those planes have a quick turnaround. Also some flights from ADD arrive late afternoon into LHR, so those planes have a shorter turnaround as well.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:59 am

iadadd wrote:
It depends, given LHR has an additional 3x weekly daytime flights those planes have a quick turnaround. Also some flights from ADD arrive late afternoon into LHR, so those planes have a shorter turnaround as well.


I don't think they run this anymore. They've managed to reorganize to get 6 out of 7 flights overnight on the northbound, and daily overnight on the southbound. Current schedule is as follows:

ET700 ADD LHR 00:20 06:35 S-TWTFS
ET710 ADD LHR 08:45 14:00 -M-----

ET701 LHR ADD 20:15 07:00+1 SMTWTFS
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:18 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines consolidates its operations in Europe much of its network go to see non-stop flights

Brussels, Vienna, Manchester, Marseilla and Milan become all non-stop without any stopover

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289817/ethiopian-airlines-europe-service-changes-from-july-2020/


Very positive for ET at MAN. I thought a TATL tag would be needed for that - hope it pays off.

SEA would be the natural choice for tag. Big Ethiopian diaspora in SEA, but also there is a void in the SEA-MAN market since Thomas Cook folded.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:04 pm

evanb wrote:
iadadd wrote:
It depends, given LHR has an additional 3x weekly daytime flights those planes have a quick turnaround. Also some flights from ADD arrive late afternoon into LHR, so those planes have a shorter turnaround as well.


I don't think they run this anymore. They've managed to reorganize to get 6 out of 7 flights overnight on the northbound, and daily overnight on the southbound. Current schedule is as follows:

ET700 ADD LHR 00:20 06:35 S-TWTFS
ET710 ADD LHR 08:45 14:00 -M-----

ET701 LHR ADD 20:15 07:00+1 SMTWTFS


Winter usually has an additional 3x weekly daytime flight, but it was removed late Jan/February due to low season

For Summer schedule:

ADD to LHR : 5x weekly overnight, 5x weekly daytime
LHR to ADD: Daily overnight, 3x weekly daytime

It's an odd schedule due to slot availability, but that's how ET maintains 10x weekly at Heathrow
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:24 am

Clackers wrote:
Do they still fly to SG? Is it direct or via BKK? I am sure a few years back my fifth freedom on ET was BKK-SIN, but it may have been KUL-SIN, as I did so many of those flights 2011-2016 :D


Singapore is served nonstop from ADD.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:42 pm

Guys what do you think about Ethiopian planning on constructing a new $5 billion airport/airport city? I personally think it's a great idea for both the airline and the country economy, but I'm a bit confused on where they are getting the money. They have to be taking a loan or credit because I don't think they just have a spare $5 billion laying around. The weird thing is that many are reporting that Airports Paris are construction the airport. I honest like this idea of not depending on China too much though so I'm all for it. I also know there are other airlines such as Air Malta, Ukraine International, Virgin Atlantic, and more planning on starting service to Addis Ababa, but would this mean they use the old airport where slots are probably less or the new one where slots are more expensive probably, but better service and connections. I think Star Alliance operators like Lufthansa, EgyptAir, Turkish and more, will move to the new airport to have connections with Ethiopian Airlines.

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