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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:15 pm

vinniewinnie wrote:
I just flew this morning via ADD and must admit it is quite an impressive operation. All these inbound flights from Europe and Asia doing quick turn arounds to serve African destinations during the day before heading once again to Europe and Asia is proof that there is space for an African player.

Now I actually came from Kinshasa in order to connect to a flight to Yaoundé. Looking at other African flights arriving in the early morning, I was actually wondering whether there is scope for more night time African flights in order to provide further intra-African connections? were B737maxes scheduled to operate more flights such as these? Rather than thinking about fancy long haul destinations, maybe there is more opportunity at the African level?


Their operation at LFW accomplishes this.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:54 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
berari wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

You’re full of it. Go troll somewhere else.


Ethiopian is adding a fourth weekly flight to Houston starting in June. I expect to see it go daily within 2 years.


Very happy to hear that! Im taking it in April to JNB.

Good luck with that, air travel may be a thing of the past if the virus knocks out the US. You might be taking a slow boat to South Africa.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:08 pm

bravotango75 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
berari wrote:

Ethiopian is adding a fourth weekly flight to Houston starting in June. I expect to see it go daily within 2 years.


Very happy to hear that! Im taking it in April to JNB.

Good luck with that, air travel may be a thing of the past if the virus knocks out the US. You might be taking a slow boat to South Africa.


Please, save the hysteria. CONVID19 is a virus—a relatively mild one—that has infected the media and, by extension, the psyche of those unwilling to educate themselves with actual data.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:34 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines consolidates its operations in Europe much of its network go to see non-stop flights

Brussels, Vienna, Manchester, Marseilla and Milan become all non-stop without any stopover

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289817/ethiopian-airlines-europe-service-changes-from-july-2020/


Very positive for ET at MAN. I thought a TATL tag would be needed for that - hope it pays off.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:05 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines consolidates its operations in Europe much of its network go to see non-stop flights

Brussels, Vienna, Manchester, Marseilla and Milan become all non-stop without any stopover

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289817/ethiopian-airlines-europe-service-changes-from-july-2020/


Very positive for ET at MAN. I thought a TATL tag would be needed for that - hope it pays off.


If the passenger numbers are there, I would imagine it is also more efficient than having a crew change along the way and extra crew for the leg.

TATL is already served via DUB where the stop is only needed westbound. Unless ET is going into new thin territory, its current model works and meets the banks at ADD.

Who has flown the ADD-FCO-EWR-IAD run before? :old:
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:31 am

Not sure if anything has info on this. But given ET's European flights tend to have a 12-15 hour gap between morning arrival and evening departure, does this mean that the same crew which operated the incoming flight can return back the same night to ADD ?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:57 am

iadadd wrote:
Not sure if anything has info on this. But given ET's European flights tend to have a 12-15 hour gap between morning arrival and evening departure, does this mean that the same crew which operated the incoming flight can return back the same night to ADD ?

Yes that has been the case with all European destinations for a while now
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:52 am

dkny wrote:
iadadd wrote:
Not sure if anything has info on this. But given ET's European flights tend to have a 12-15 hour gap between morning arrival and evening departure, does this mean that the same crew which operated the incoming flight can return back the same night to ADD ?

Yes that has been the case with all European destinations for a while now



Including pilots?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:58 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines consolidates its operations in Europe much of its network go to see non-stop flights

Brussels, Vienna, Manchester, Marseilla and Milan become all non-stop without any stopover

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289817/ethiopian-airlines-europe-service-changes-from-july-2020/


This latest update has me thinking that ET now has the following terminator flights that are ripe for extension into new markets:
- FCO: 4 out of 7 weekly flights go to MAD. The other 3 days can be used to open new market.
- VIE: this 6 weekly terminator service is the shortest European terminator service with aircraft on the ground. Ripe for new market.
- MXP: daily terminator service that could extend to a new market

So what are your thoughts? What new markets can you think of?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:21 pm

gabep wrote:
avel may be a thing of the past if the virus knocks out the US. You might be taking a slow boat to South Africa.


Please, save the hysteria. CONVID19 is a virus—a relatively mild one—that has infected the media and, by extension, the psyche of those unwilling to educate themselves with actual data.[/quote]

Please save the ignorance. It's not mild. Do you think countries of the world are okay with wiping out billions of dollars for some snizzles? It's extremely virulent and proven deadly too.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:13 pm

calstanford wrote:
gabep wrote:
avel may be a thing of the past if the virus knocks out the US. You might be taking a slow boat to South Africa.


Please, save the hysteria. CONVID19 is a virus—a relatively mild one—that has infected the media and, by extension, the psyche of those unwilling to educate themselves with actual data.


Please save the ignorance. It's not mild. Do you think countries of the world are okay with wiping out billions of dollars for some snizzles? It's extremely virulent and proven deadly too.[/quote]

This is not comparable to SARS and Ebola which killed large numbers of able bodied people. This has a much lower death rate.
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:08 am

Any progression in terms of starting YUL? Or still problems with the government in terms of slots?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:05 am

bravotango75 wrote:
berari wrote:
Ethiopian started flights to Houston today. Looking at bookings for the next few weeks, flight out of Houston is almost or completely sold out.

Yields are what counts, not full cabins. I predict that Ethiopian will cut Houston inside 2 years, they would have been better selecting BOS.

Lol... this guy is never correct! They are increasing IAH service.
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:44 am

drerx7 wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
berari wrote:
Ethiopian started flights to Houston today. Looking at bookings for the next few weeks, flight out of Houston is almost or completely sold out.

Yields are what counts, not full cabins. I predict that Ethiopian will cut Houston inside 2 years, they would have been better selecting BOS.

Lol... this guy is never correct! They are increasing IAH service.

Perhaps, but with no end in sight with the Coronavirus, it is all moot. International flights will come to a halt, the US (and global) economy will collapse (see the stock market today), Trump will lose to Bolshevik Bernie in Nov, the Communists take over, Houston being an oil town will suffer under the Green New Deal to the point of becoming a wasteland, well, need I continue...?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:20 am

Lmao!!! Case in point
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:31 am

bravotango75 wrote:
drerx7 wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
Yields are what counts, not full cabins. I predict that Ethiopian will cut Houston inside 2 years, they would have been better selecting BOS.

Lol... this guy is never correct! They are increasing IAH service.

Perhaps, but with no end in sight with the Coronavirus, it is all moot. International flights will come to a halt, the US (and global) economy will collapse (see the stock market today), Trump will lose to Bolshevik Bernie in Nov, the Communists take over, Houston being an oil town will suffer under the Green New Deal to the point of becoming a wasteland, well, need I continue...?


Translation:

“WHAAAA. WHAAAA. ETHIOPIAN PICKED HOUSTON OVER BOSTON! I WANT MY BLANKIE!”
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:28 pm

LUKAS10 wrote:
dkny wrote:
iadadd wrote:
Not sure if anything has info on this. But given ET's European flights tend to have a 12-15 hour gap between morning arrival and evening departure, does this mean that the same crew which operated the incoming flight can return back the same night to ADD ?

Yes that has been the case with all European destinations for a while now



Including pilots?


I thought LHR was the only EU destination where they didn't park the aircraft on the ground for over 12-15 hours?
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:38 pm

Do they still fly to SG? Is it direct or via BKK? I am sure a few years back my fifth freedom on ET was BKK-SIN, but it may have been KUL-SIN, as I did so many of those flights 2011-2016 :D
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:53 am

lesfalls wrote:
LUKAS10 wrote:
dkny wrote:
Yes that has been the case with all European destinations for a while now



Including pilots?


I thought LHR was the only EU destination where they didn't park the aircraft on the ground for over 12-15 hours?


It depends, given LHR has an additional 3x weekly daytime flights those planes have a quick turnaround. Also some flights from ADD arrive late afternoon into LHR, so those planes have a shorter turnaround as well.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:59 am

iadadd wrote:
It depends, given LHR has an additional 3x weekly daytime flights those planes have a quick turnaround. Also some flights from ADD arrive late afternoon into LHR, so those planes have a shorter turnaround as well.


I don't think they run this anymore. They've managed to reorganize to get 6 out of 7 flights overnight on the northbound, and daily overnight on the southbound. Current schedule is as follows:

ET700 ADD LHR 00:20 06:35 S-TWTFS
ET710 ADD LHR 08:45 14:00 -M-----

ET701 LHR ADD 20:15 07:00+1 SMTWTFS
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:18 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines consolidates its operations in Europe much of its network go to see non-stop flights

Brussels, Vienna, Manchester, Marseilla and Milan become all non-stop without any stopover

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289817/ethiopian-airlines-europe-service-changes-from-july-2020/


Very positive for ET at MAN. I thought a TATL tag would be needed for that - hope it pays off.

SEA would be the natural choice for tag. Big Ethiopian diaspora in SEA, but also there is a void in the SEA-MAN market since Thomas Cook folded.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:04 pm

evanb wrote:
iadadd wrote:
It depends, given LHR has an additional 3x weekly daytime flights those planes have a quick turnaround. Also some flights from ADD arrive late afternoon into LHR, so those planes have a shorter turnaround as well.


I don't think they run this anymore. They've managed to reorganize to get 6 out of 7 flights overnight on the northbound, and daily overnight on the southbound. Current schedule is as follows:

ET700 ADD LHR 00:20 06:35 S-TWTFS
ET710 ADD LHR 08:45 14:00 -M-----

ET701 LHR ADD 20:15 07:00+1 SMTWTFS


Winter usually has an additional 3x weekly daytime flight, but it was removed late Jan/February due to low season

For Summer schedule:

ADD to LHR : 5x weekly overnight, 5x weekly daytime
LHR to ADD: Daily overnight, 3x weekly daytime

It's an odd schedule due to slot availability, but that's how ET maintains 10x weekly at Heathrow
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:24 am

Clackers wrote:
Do they still fly to SG? Is it direct or via BKK? I am sure a few years back my fifth freedom on ET was BKK-SIN, but it may have been KUL-SIN, as I did so many of those flights 2011-2016 :D


Singapore is served nonstop from ADD.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:42 pm

Guys what do you think about Ethiopian planning on constructing a new $5 billion airport/airport city? I personally think it's a great idea for both the airline and the country economy, but I'm a bit confused on where they are getting the money. They have to be taking a loan or credit because I don't think they just have a spare $5 billion laying around. The weird thing is that many are reporting that Airports Paris are construction the airport. I honest like this idea of not depending on China too much though so I'm all for it. I also know there are other airlines such as Air Malta, Ukraine International, Virgin Atlantic, and more planning on starting service to Addis Ababa, but would this mean they use the old airport where slots are probably less or the new one where slots are more expensive probably, but better service and connections. I think Star Alliance operators like Lufthansa, EgyptAir, Turkish and more, will move to the new airport to have connections with Ethiopian Airlines.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:59 am

ET has proven to be an exceptional airline! It is one of the few airlines that has made a profit in this era of COVID-19. They have remained very active thanks to their multiple cargo flights and humanitarian aid, and it is one of the few that has not made cuts and keeps its network active, for example in Europe they have kept a large of their network still flying ATH, BRU, FRA , GVA, IST, LHR, MAN, MXP, CDG, FCO, ARN, VIE and OSL and the same in its network of Southeast Asia SIN, KUL, BKK, CGK, MNL and East Asia CAN, PVG, CTU, NRT, ICN and HKG

They still have deliveries of Airbus A350-900, Boeing 787-9 and possibly in 2021 the Boeing 737MAX will return. ET could have chances of a new expansion in 2021, although the business market fell, the leisure market is very popular, which is currently more attractive for the current passenger


What possible routes could ET launch

ASIA

Islamabad (ISB) and Lahore (LHE): After the PIA ban, ET has a good chance of entering the Pakistani market with its extensive network in Europe and key destinations in the United States and Canada such as EWR, JFK, IAH, ORD, IAD and YYZ

Colombo (CMB), Ho Chi Minh (SGN) and Hanoi (HAN): Popular leisure and vacation destinations, in addition Sri Lankan and Vietnam were among the few countries affected by COVID-19 could be good markets

Amman (AMM) and Abu Dhabi (AUH): Of the immense network of the Middle East of ET, AMM and AUH are missing in the route map of ET

Destinations in doubt

Pre-Covid Ethiopian was looking for a mega expansion to China, although the demand in China under considerable continues to be one of the strongest markets for ET, when the pandemic began they maintained flights to China before the total closure of international flights, I still wonder if it will be good if launching Beijing Daxing (PKX) by 2021

Tokyo Haneda (HND) : The CEO of ET was negotiating with the Government of Japan to get the slots for HND, it is planned to fly daily with Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, it would be good to know what happened with these negotiations, it would be a great route for your network and more with the Tokyo 2021 Olympics


North America

Montreal (YUL): Another route planned by ET, which the bilaterals were negotiating with Canada, we may see it in the future in the COVID era ET did not stop operating in Canada

Europe

Lisbon (LIS), Copenhagen (CPH), Zurich (ZRH) and Munich (MUC):Most of these hubs are from its Star Alliance partners, where ET could easily connect these cities with its vast network of leisure and vacation destinations in Africa or business destinations in Africa such as CPT and JNB.

Amsterdam (AMS): It seemed to me a shame that in the past ET eliminated AMS from its route network, although the AMS Airport increased the slots, it could be a possibility that ET would return, and with its immense network in Africa it could make this route a success as LHR , FRA and CDG

Africa

Mauritius (MRU) and Reunion (RUN): Fantastic destinations for ET would easily connect to these Indian ocean islands, although there could be problems with the bilateral ones, MRU can be a great potential since many airlines from Africa and the Middle East fly MRU, the arrival of ET could further benefit MRU connectivity

Algiers (ALG) and Casablanca (CMN): Both destinations could work with the connections that ET has to the Middle East and China where there is an unserved market from both cities

Oceania

I discard any plan to Australia in the future, with the amount of restrictions by the Australian government, the market has fallen excessively, it is one of the markets most affected by COVID-19
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:32 am

Looks like JFK flights will resume 3 times a week via LFW instead of the usual ABJ, starting oct 17
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:56 pm

I clicked on this thread to see if anything was mentioned about the potential ET-SA linkup and I came across the post below.

The last line is perhaps the most telling of how little we knew about Covid-19 back in February.

LAXdude1023 wrote:
calstanford wrote:
gabep wrote:
air travel may be a thing of the past if the virus knocks out the US. You might be taking a slow boat to South Africa.


Please, save the hysteria. CONVID19 is a virus—a relatively mild one—that has infected the media and, by extension, the psyche of those unwilling to educate themselves with actual data.


Please save the ignorance. It's not mild. Do you think countries of the world are okay with wiping out billions of dollars for some snizzles? It's extremely virulent and proven deadly too.


This is not comparable to SARS and Ebola which killed large numbers of able bodied people. This has a much lower death rate.[/quote]
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:35 pm

What is ET's cash position? As a fast growth airline, I have concerns.

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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:37 pm

dkny wrote:
Looks like JFK flights will resume 3 times a week via LFW instead of the usual ABJ, starting oct 17


is this 100% confirmed now?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:41 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ET has proven to be an exceptional airline! It is one of the few airlines that has made a profit in this era of COVID-19. They have remained very active thanks to their multiple cargo flights and humanitarian aid, and it is one of the few that has not made cuts and keeps its network active, for example in Europe they have kept a large of their network still flying ATH, BRU, FRA , GVA, IST, LHR, MAN, MXP, CDG, FCO, ARN, VIE and OSL and the same in its network of Southeast Asia SIN, KUL, BKK, CGK, MNL and East Asia CAN, PVG, CTU, NRT, ICN and HKG

They still have deliveries of Airbus A350-900, Boeing 787-9 and possibly in 2021 the Boeing 737MAX will return. ET could have chances of a new expansion in 2021, although the business market fell, the leisure market is very popular, which is currently more attractive for the current passenger


What possible routes could ET launch

ASIA

Islamabad (ISB) and Lahore (LHE): After the PIA ban, ET has a good chance of entering the Pakistani market with its extensive network in Europe and key destinations in the United States and Canada such as EWR, JFK, IAH, ORD, IAD and YYZ

Colombo (CMB), Ho Chi Minh (SGN) and Hanoi (HAN): Popular leisure and vacation destinations, in addition Sri Lankan and Vietnam were among the few countries affected by COVID-19 could be good markets

Amman (AMM) and Abu Dhabi (AUH): Of the immense network of the Middle East of ET, AMM and AUH are missing in the route map of ET

Destinations in doubt

Pre-Covid Ethiopian was looking for a mega expansion to China, although the demand in China under considerable continues to be one of the strongest markets for ET, when the pandemic began they maintained flights to China before the total closure of international flights, I still wonder if it will be good if launching Beijing Daxing (PKX) by 2021

Tokyo Haneda (HND) : The CEO of ET was negotiating with the Government of Japan to get the slots for HND, it is planned to fly daily with Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, it would be good to know what happened with these negotiations, it would be a great route for your network and more with the Tokyo 2021 Olympics


North America

Montreal (YUL): Another route planned by ET, which the bilaterals were negotiating with Canada, we may see it in the future in the COVID era ET did not stop operating in Canada

Europe

Lisbon (LIS), Copenhagen (CPH), Zurich (ZRH) and Munich (MUC):Most of these hubs are from its Star Alliance partners, where ET could easily connect these cities with its vast network of leisure and vacation destinations in Africa or business destinations in Africa such as CPT and JNB.

Amsterdam (AMS): It seemed to me a shame that in the past ET eliminated AMS from its route network, although the AMS Airport increased the slots, it could be a possibility that ET would return, and with its immense network in Africa it could make this route a success as LHR , FRA and CDG

Africa

Mauritius (MRU) and Reunion (RUN): Fantastic destinations for ET would easily connect to these Indian ocean islands, although there could be problems with the bilateral ones, MRU can be a great potential since many airlines from Africa and the Middle East fly MRU, the arrival of ET could further benefit MRU connectivity

Algiers (ALG) and Casablanca (CMN): Both destinations could work with the connections that ET has to the Middle East and China where there is an unserved market from both cities

Oceania

I discard any plan to Australia in the future, with the amount of restrictions by the Australian government, the market has fallen excessively, it is one of the markets most affected by COVID-19


Out of your above post, the only routes that make commercial sense to me from 2023-24 onwards are ZRH, MRU and AMS. The rest don't unfortunately IMO.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:17 pm

Any updates on IAH?
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:27 pm

behramjee wrote:
dkny wrote:
Looks like JFK flights will resume 3 times a week via LFW instead of the usual ABJ, starting oct 17


is this 100% confirmed now?

That’s what their schedule shows
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:10 pm

dkny wrote:
behramjee wrote:
dkny wrote:
Looks like JFK flights will resume 3 times a week via LFW instead of the usual ABJ, starting oct 17


is this 100% confirmed now?

That’s what their schedule shows


yes thank you...i reconfirmed on the gds system and it shows ADD-NYC daily via LFW in W20 i.e. 4 EWR + 3 JFK

i dont know how in the current environment they can justify a daily NYC service in low winter season and that too with a split airport operation.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:45 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ET has proven to be an exceptional airline! It is one of the few airlines that has made a profit in this era of COVID-19. They have remained very active thanks to their multiple cargo flights and humanitarian aid, and it is one of the few that has not made cuts and keeps its network active, for example in Europe they have kept a large of their network still flying ATH, BRU, FRA , GVA, IST, LHR, MAN, MXP, CDG, FCO, ARN, VIE and OSL and the same in its network of Southeast Asia SIN, KUL, BKK, CGK, MNL and East Asia CAN, PVG, CTU, NRT, ICN and HKG

They still have deliveries of Airbus A350-900, Boeing 787-9 and possibly in 2021 the Boeing 737MAX will return. ET could have chances of a new expansion in 2021, although the business market fell, the leisure market is very popular, which is currently more attractive for the current passenger


What possible routes could ET launch

ASIA

Islamabad (ISB) and Lahore (LHE): After the PIA ban, ET has a good chance of entering the Pakistani market with its extensive network in Europe and key destinations in the United States and Canada such as EWR, JFK, IAH, ORD, IAD and YYZ

Colombo (CMB), Ho Chi Minh (SGN) and Hanoi (HAN): Popular leisure and vacation destinations, in addition Sri Lankan and Vietnam were among the few countries affected by COVID-19 could be good markets

Amman (AMM) and Abu Dhabi (AUH): Of the immense network of the Middle East of ET, AMM and AUH are missing in the route map of ET

Destinations in doubt

Pre-Covid Ethiopian was looking for a mega expansion to China, although the demand in China under considerable continues to be one of the strongest markets for ET, when the pandemic began they maintained flights to China before the total closure of international flights, I still wonder if it will be good if launching Beijing Daxing (PKX) by 2021

Tokyo Haneda (HND) : The CEO of ET was negotiating with the Government of Japan to get the slots for HND, it is planned to fly daily with Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, it would be good to know what happened with these negotiations, it would be a great route for your network and more with the Tokyo 2021 Olympics


North America

Montreal (YUL): Another route planned by ET, which the bilaterals were negotiating with Canada, we may see it in the future in the COVID era ET did not stop operating in Canada

Europe

Lisbon (LIS), Copenhagen (CPH), Zurich (ZRH) and Munich (MUC):Most of these hubs are from its Star Alliance partners, where ET could easily connect these cities with its vast network of leisure and vacation destinations in Africa or business destinations in Africa such as CPT and JNB.

Amsterdam (AMS): It seemed to me a shame that in the past ET eliminated AMS from its route network, although the AMS Airport increased the slots, it could be a possibility that ET would return, and with its immense network in Africa it could make this route a success as LHR , FRA and CDG

Africa

Mauritius (MRU) and Reunion (RUN): Fantastic destinations for ET would easily connect to these Indian ocean islands, although there could be problems with the bilateral ones, MRU can be a great potential since many airlines from Africa and the Middle East fly MRU, the arrival of ET could further benefit MRU connectivity

Algiers (ALG) and Casablanca (CMN): Both destinations could work with the connections that ET has to the Middle East and China where there is an unserved market from both cities

Oceania

I discard any plan to Australia in the future, with the amount of restrictions by the Australian government, the market has fallen excessively, it is one of the markets most affected by COVID-19

Unless ET can come to arrangement with the Government of Mauritius (perhaps as part of a deal to rescue Air Mauritius), there is no way that they will give rights to ET. QR have supposedly been trying for years to get rights for MRU, rumour has it that EK is not keen for them to have rights granted and have a codeshare agreement with MK aka the Gov. of Mauritius hence why they have never been granted access.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:09 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ET has proven to be an exceptional airline! It is one of the few airlines that has made a profit in this era of COVID-19. They have remained very active thanks to their multiple cargo flights and humanitarian aid, and it is one of the few that has not made cuts and keeps its network active, for example in Europe they have kept a large of their network still flying ATH, BRU, FRA , GVA, IST, LHR, MAN, MXP, CDG, FCO, ARN, VIE and OSL and the same in its network of Southeast Asia SIN, KUL, BKK, CGK, MNL and East Asia CAN, PVG, CTU, NRT, ICN and HKG

They still have deliveries of Airbus A350-900, Boeing 787-9 and possibly in 2021 the Boeing 737MAX will return. ET could have chances of a new expansion in 2021, although the business market fell, the leisure market is very popular, which is currently more attractive for the current passenger


What possible routes could ET launch



MRU is unlikely to happen, although ET Cargo started operations there in the last few weeks. Protectionism here. Emirates was flying multiple A380s per day into the Island. Mauritians have something against specific airlines it seems, ET being one of them.

There was no mega expansion expected into China, if anything, it was increased frequencies and one or two more destinations.

Unless compelling reasons exist, I don't expect ET to launch new routes while it focuses on relaunching those it has temporarily discontinued. And it is progressing well, at over 50 destinations now. Restrictions imposed by governments remain. With China for example, what looks like punitive measures also exist if an airline is found to have imported a positive case of COVID (ET had to suspend Shanghai a few weeks ago.) We also see services restarting to Argentina, discontinued pre-COVID. We also see nonstop service to Jakarta, which was a tag along to SIN. Manila gets the same, where HKG is no longer strong enough but a case remains for ET to continue serving MNL.

As markets reopen, the entire industry is shaken and the dust falls off, opportunities can arise: do some restricted airports have openings in slots? Opportunities for consolidations for example at NYC?

The speculations you had on the following cities are those that I think could be plausible: HND, SGN/HAN(was in the expansion plans,) YUL, MUC.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:01 pm

ET has scheduled daily flights into the NYC area this winter, split between EWR and JFK, but all going through LFW (JFK via ABJ is dropped.) I don't recall the partnership with Air Cote d'Ivoire working in terms of connectivity at ABJ, so looks like ET is consolidating at LFW. Don't know what the rationale for keeping the split between LFW and JFK is though.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:47 pm

China has suspended Ethiopian flights to Shanghai for 4 weeks after a number of passengers tested COVID positive

https://twitter.com/ETWatch/status/1318649606511726593

https://www.facebook.com/EthiopianAirlines/
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:06 pm

berari wrote:
ET has scheduled daily flights into the NYC area this winter, split between EWR and JFK, but all going through LFW (JFK via ABJ is dropped.) I don't recall the partnership with Air Cote d'Ivoire working in terms of connectivity at ABJ, so looks like ET is consolidating at LFW. Don't know what the rationale for keeping the split between LFW and JFK is though.


In addition, there is no rationale under the current climate for ET to operate daily to NYC period especially in low winter season. They should just focus on the original 4 weekly LOS LFW EWR v.v. using the B788.

ORD too should be suspended for the entire W20 season as the route is a big cash drainer. IAH is thankfully cancelled for the entire W20 season already and also does not show up in S21 on the gds system as yet.

W20 North America for ET should ideally only be EWR (4) IAD (5) and YYZ (3).
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:15 pm

behramjee wrote:
berari wrote:
ET has scheduled daily flights into the NYC area this winter, split between EWR and JFK, but all going through LFW (JFK via ABJ is dropped.) I don't recall the partnership with Air Cote d'Ivoire working in terms of connectivity at ABJ, so looks like ET is consolidating at LFW. Don't know what the rationale for keeping the split between LFW and JFK is though.


In addition, there is no rationale under the current climate for ET to operate daily to NYC period especially in low winter season. They should just focus on the original 4 weekly LOS LFW EWR v.v. using the B788.

ORD too should be suspended for the entire W20 season as the route is a big cash drainer. IAH is thankfully cancelled for the entire W20 season already and also does not show up in S21 on the gds system as yet.

W20 North America for ET should ideally only be EWR (4) IAD (5) and YYZ (3).


Is that your insider information (no rationale) or is this an outside guess?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:29 am

behramjee wrote:
berari wrote:
ET has scheduled daily flights into the NYC area this winter, split between EWR and JFK, but all going through LFW (JFK via ABJ is dropped.) I don't recall the partnership with Air Cote d'Ivoire working in terms of connectivity at ABJ, so looks like ET is consolidating at LFW. Don't know what the rationale for keeping the split between LFW and JFK is though.


In addition, there is no rationale under the current climate for ET to operate daily to NYC period especially in low winter season. They should just focus on the original 4 weekly LOS LFW EWR v.v. using the B788.

ORD too should be suspended for the entire W20 season as the route is a big cash drainer. IAH is thankfully cancelled for the entire W20 season already and also does not show up in S21 on the gds system as yet.

W20 North America for ET should ideally only be EWR (4) IAD (5) and YYZ (3).


ET is notorious for frequently shifting its frequency and capacity to market needs. If it's not making money, it'll adjust quickly
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:41 pm

behramjee wrote:
berari wrote:
ET has scheduled daily flights into the NYC area this winter, split between EWR and JFK, but all going through LFW (JFK via ABJ is dropped.) I don't recall the partnership with Air Cote d'Ivoire working in terms of connectivity at ABJ, so looks like ET is consolidating at LFW. Don't know what the rationale for keeping the split between LFW and JFK is though.


In addition, there is no rationale under the current climate for ET to operate daily to NYC period especially in low winter season. They should just focus on the original 4 weekly LOS LFW EWR v.v. using the B788.

ORD too should be suspended for the entire W20 season as the route is a big cash drainer. IAH is thankfully cancelled for the entire W20 season already and also does not show up in S21 on the gds system as yet.

W20 North America for ET should ideally only be EWR (4) IAD (5) and YYZ (3).


Sure, tell that to the airline that has maintained all service to North America save for IAH. They know their numbers best, and generally sweep in before anybody else with agility to meet current demands.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:14 am

ET's Latest Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner Deliveries Are Arriving With New Business Class 1-2-1

https://ibb.co/qj0BRh7
https://ibb.co/S0cdKc5
https://ibb.co/s1X7Fpr
https://ibb.co/XSYJ69R
CX - JL - LH - KE - KL - SQ - QR - QF - TG - UA
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:51 am

berari wrote:
behramjee wrote:
berari wrote:
ET has scheduled daily flights into the NYC area this winter, split between EWR and JFK, but all going through LFW (JFK via ABJ is dropped.) I don't recall the partnership with Air Cote d'Ivoire working in terms of connectivity at ABJ, so looks like ET is consolidating at LFW. Don't know what the rationale for keeping the split between LFW and JFK is though.


In addition, there is no rationale under the current climate for ET to operate daily to NYC period especially in low winter season. They should just focus on the original 4 weekly LOS LFW EWR v.v. using the B788.

ORD too should be suspended for the entire W20 season as the route is a big cash drainer. IAH is thankfully cancelled for the entire W20 season already and also does not show up in S21 on the gds system as yet.

W20 North America for ET should ideally only be EWR (4) IAD (5) and YYZ (3).


Sure, tell that to the airline that has maintained all service to North America save for IAH. They know their numbers best, and generally sweep in before anybody else with agility to meet current demands.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2020/

Does this mean ET is no longer to serve IAH just replace to JFK? I like to know it is end or will come back later or what?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:38 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ET's Latest Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner Deliveries Are Arriving With New Business Class 1-2-1

https://ibb.co/qj0BRh7
https://ibb.co/S0cdKc5
https://ibb.co/s1X7Fpr
https://ibb.co/XSYJ69R


That's great. What's also cool is that in the 789 front cabin, the 1-2-1 reverse herringbone and 2-2-2 layout they currently have both have a capacity of 30 seats. Hopefully ET will upgrade seats on 789 and 359 to the 1-2-1 as those 2 planes are the backbone of ET long-haul in the near term
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:40 pm

aircountry wrote:
berari wrote:
behramjee wrote:

In addition, there is no rationale under the current climate for ET to operate daily to NYC period especially in low winter season. They should just focus on the original 4 weekly LOS LFW EWR v.v. using the B788.

ORD too should be suspended for the entire W20 season as the route is a big cash drainer. IAH is thankfully cancelled for the entire W20 season already and also does not show up in S21 on the gds system as yet.

W20 North America for ET should ideally only be EWR (4) IAD (5) and YYZ (3).


Sure, tell that to the airline that has maintained all service to North America save for IAH. They know their numbers best, and generally sweep in before anybody else with agility to meet current demands.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2020/

Does this mean ET is no longer to serve IAH just replace to JFK? I like to know it is end or will come back later or what?


I interpret this as ET silently cancelling IAH.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:50 pm

Ethiopian have been serving Manchester direct on Sundays since the middle of October.

The other 2 weekly flights continue to fly via Brussels.
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:16 pm

iadadd wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ET's Latest Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner Deliveries Are Arriving With New Business Class 1-2-1

https://ibb.co/qj0BRh7
https://ibb.co/S0cdKc5
https://ibb.co/s1X7Fpr
https://ibb.co/XSYJ69R


That's great. What's also cool is that in the 789 front cabin, the 1-2-1 reverse herringbone and 2-2-2 layout they currently have both have a capacity of 30 seats. Hopefully ET will upgrade seats on 789 and 359 to the 1-2-1 as those 2 planes are the backbone of ET long-haul in the near term


Has the Y capacity changed?
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:54 am

berari wrote:
iadadd wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ET's Latest Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner Deliveries Are Arriving With New Business Class 1-2-1

https://ibb.co/qj0BRh7
https://ibb.co/S0cdKc5
https://ibb.co/s1X7Fpr
https://ibb.co/XSYJ69R


That's great. What's also cool is that in the 789 front cabin, the 1-2-1 reverse herringbone and 2-2-2 layout they currently have both have a capacity of 30 seats. Hopefully ET will upgrade seats on 789 and 359 to the 1-2-1 as those 2 planes are the backbone of ET long-haul in the near term


Has the Y capacity changed?


It shouldn't. J is only in the front cabin
 
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:43 am

iadadd wrote:
aircountry wrote:
berari wrote:

Sure, tell that to the airline that has maintained all service to North America save for IAH. They know their numbers best, and generally sweep in before anybody else with agility to meet current demands.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2020/

Does this mean ET is no longer to serve IAH just replace to JFK? I like to know it is end or will come back later or what?


I interpret this as ET silently cancelling IAH.


Then Houston lose 6 continents again twice!
 
iadadd
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Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:44 am

aircountry wrote:
iadadd wrote:
aircountry wrote:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2020/

Does this mean ET is no longer to serve IAH just replace to JFK? I like to know it is end or will come back later or what?


I interpret this as ET silently cancelling IAH.


Then Houston lose 6 continents again twice!


I also noticed that ET has been removed from IAH's wiki page, I know it's not the most reliable source, but still probably means something ..

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