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Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:04 pm

So I was looking at this photo C-FRYV, WestJet's latest Max8 parked at Renton, and the rudder has been been painted differently then the current fleet (the widget is significantly lower) and there is a different shade of green/teal on the lower portion. Any bets WS is doing an upgrade to the current livery? If so hope it looks good..

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/status/962401689599815680
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:26 pm

Looks about the same as usual to me. I thought their 'big' livery enhancement was the widget maple leaf when the 767s arrived on scene?
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:33 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Looks about the same as usual to me. I thought their 'big' livery enhancement was the widget maple leaf when the 767s arrived on scene?


I thought the maplewidget was before the 767s but anyways...

Yea except maybe a modified winglet the tail logo looks the same as ever?
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:40 pm

There's no difference.



The different shade of teal is a reflection of the horizontal stabilizer.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:53 pm

Looks the same to me. I imagine any changes will come with the Dreamliners
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:00 pm

This is the second thread where reflections of a horizontal stabilizer cause speculation about a livery change or update. Aren't those reflections obvious when one sees such photos?

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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:01 pm

I think people should just wait for the whole aircraft to be painted instead of guessing unless it’s a completely different tail art.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:12 pm

You are correct. Expect more teal.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:17 pm

There will be a new livery, this is confirmed, but as far as I know, it will come with the 787s. With that being said, there is a big event on the 28th of this month that hints on an unveil of something.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:24 pm

There will be a new livery, 787 for sure not about rest of the fleet. The MAX pic you've shown is normal livery. The 28th is the unveiling.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:23 am

Whiteguy wrote:
There will be a new livery, 787 for sure not about rest of the fleet. The MAX pic you've shown is normal livery. The 28th is the unveiling.


The 28th - new livery reveal or something else like more route additions?
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:27 am

Dominion301 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
There will be a new livery, 787 for sure not about rest of the fleet. The MAX pic you've shown is normal livery. The 28th is the unveiling.


The 28th - new livery reveal or something else like more route additions?


I doubt it. Summer schedule was already announced and GS said, recently, the '87 routes would probably be announced in the summer with the winter sked. From what I've seen it will be livery...
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:34 am

Dominion301 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

The 28th - new livery reveal or something else like more route additions?


I doubt it. Summer schedule was already announced and GS said, recently, the '87 routes would probably be announced in the summer with the winter sked. From what I've seen it will be livery...


A complete rebrand would be nice, but at least getting rid of the Eurowhite fuselage would be good.


Looks like there will be lots of color
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:34 am

Whiteguy wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
There will be a new livery, 787 for sure not about rest of the fleet. The MAX pic you've shown is normal livery. The 28th is the unveiling.


The 28th - new livery reveal or something else like more route additions?


I doubt it. Summer schedule was already announced and GS said, recently, the '87 routes would probably be announced in the summer with the winter sked. From what I've seen it will be livery...


A complete rebrand would be nice, but at least getting rid of the Eurowhite fuselage would be good.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:15 am

Dominion301 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

The 28th - new livery reveal or something else like more route additions?


I doubt it. Summer schedule was already announced and GS said, recently, the '87 routes would probably be announced in the summer with the winter sked. From what I've seen it will be livery...


A complete rebrand would be nice, but at least getting rid of the Eurowhite fuselage would be good.


They need a complete rebrand and should also ditch the "WestJet" name and make is sound more Canadian.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:37 am

New livery is coming. It will be revealed Feb 28. I saw a blurred image of the new livery on a 737. Looks like there will be more teal back fuselage / tail like QANTAS. Sorry can’t share the image.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:12 am

Hopefully the WestJet livery on the tail will get a much needed refresh - every time I see it I wince. Subjective I realize, and not that United (the airline I fly most) has a very inspiring livery as the merger resulted in just painting the UNITED name on the Continental livery. Half-assed. But those WestJet tails really bother me to the point that I would try to avoid using them. The weird jagged angle and all that teal is really pretty awful, again IMHO. Look forward to seeing what they come up with!!
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:50 pm

adambrau wrote:
But those WestJet tails really bother me to the point that I would try to avoid using them. The weird jagged angle and all that teal is really pretty awful, again IMHO. Look forward to seeing what they come up with!!


Made no sense to me either until I realized that it was a snow capped mountain under the kind of evening sky we get in the prairies in the summer. Then it made a lot more sense, to the point where I like it.
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:58 pm

They could remove the 'west jet.com' from the winglets too, I think we all know how to google WestJet. Most airlines have ditched slapping their URL's on their planes, it's not 2002.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:51 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
They could remove the 'west jet.com' from the winglets too, I think we all know how to google WestJet. Most airlines have ditched slapping their URL's on their planes, it's not 2002.


True it's not 2002, but teal was also very popular in 2002 (and the latter half of the 90s when WestJet was founded).
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:56 pm

YYZatcboy wrote:
adambrau wrote:
But those WestJet tails really bother me to the point that I would try to avoid using them. The weird jagged angle and all that teal is really pretty awful, again IMHO. Look forward to seeing what they come up with!!


Made no sense to me either until I realized that it was a snow capped mountain under the kind of evening sky we get in the prairies in the summer. Then it made a lot more sense, to the point where I like it.


It took me about 16 years for me to figure that out. Bad livery, IMO.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:53 pm

Here's a news story confirming what was said above that we'll see a new livery on the 28th:
https://www.trymodern.com/3153/westjet- ... ruary-28th

Sounds good to me. WestJet's livery isn't exactly terrible, but I find it to be pretty boring. I always thought it was too bad that they didn't make more extensive use of their very unique color scheme, so it looks like I'll finally be getting my wish. It would be great if someone would leak a super sneaky spy photo of this blurred rendering of the livery alluded to in the article.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:45 pm

I have a feeling the identity / branding / livery was probably conceived and implemented quickly and cheaply based on a couple of used 737-200's crossing the rockies in 1996. Had they known they'd eventually evolve into basically the new Canadi>n, I have a feeling far more time and effort would have been spent on the branding. Perhaps now we'll see a livery which reflects what's become Canada's second flag carrier.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:49 pm

Teal. Lmao.

The NHL seemed to have teal everywhere. In the 90s. Then it went where it belongs the garbage heap. Teal? Really?
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:19 pm

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Teal. Lmao.

The NHL seemed to have teal everywhere. In the 90s. Then it went where it belongs the garbage heap. Teal? Really?


Besides the San Jose Sharks and the Anaheim Mighty Ducks, what other NHL teams had teal in the 90s?

Hartford Whalers had "green" not teal.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:52 pm

Noise wrote:
YYZatcboy wrote:
adambrau wrote:
But those WestJet tails really bother me to the point that I would try to avoid using them. The weird jagged angle and all that teal is really pretty awful, again IMHO. Look forward to seeing what they come up with!!


Made no sense to me either until I realized that it was a snow capped mountain under the kind of evening sky we get in the prairies in the summer. Then it made a lot more sense, to the point where I like it.


It took me about 16 years for me to figure that out. Bad livery, IMO.



If you were to turn the tail on its side, you would also notice that the delta actually forms a "W"...and it works on both sides. THAT is a bit of brilliant marketing, regardless of colours...
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:31 pm

rikkus67 wrote:
Noise wrote:
YYZatcboy wrote:

Made no sense to me either until I realized that it was a snow capped mountain under the kind of evening sky we get in the prairies in the summer. Then it made a lot more sense, to the point where I like it.


It took me about 16 years for me to figure that out. Bad livery, IMO.



If you were to turn the tail on its side, you would also notice that the delta actually forms a "W"...and it works on both sides. THAT is a bit of brilliant marketing, regardless of colours...


Eh, that's a bit of a stretch. I don't see the W that well.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:52 pm

The current branding push is to use teal as the primary color utilizing shades, to emphasize part of the logo such as the delta, or the maple leaf. If I had to guess expect, the new scheme to incorporate shades of teal similar to design of the gift card as well as elements of the Maple Leaf. That seems to be what the current branding is moving to.

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Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:05 pm

The color extends down off the tail and onto the rear fuselage from what I have been told.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:43 pm

Hopefully it will be better than their Clip Art Swoop branding
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:33 pm

They really need to rename themselves.

Even something like CanadianJet, so that it keeps a certain element of "WestJet", would be good.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:11 am

ACCS300 wrote:
I have a feeling the identity / branding / livery was probably conceived and implemented quickly and cheaply based on a couple of used 737-200's crossing the rockies in 1996. Had they known they'd eventually evolve into basically the new Canadi>n, I have a feeling far more time and effort would have been spent on the branding. Perhaps now we'll see a livery which reflects what's become Canada's second flag carrier.


And hopefully a new name too. "WestJet" sounds far too regional, and has its roots in its founding as a smallish west-based carrier. With the global reach of the 789s, I don't feel it's an appropriate name any longer.

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Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:16 am

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They really need to rename themselves.


I agree. Don't think it will happen though.

Can they go for Canadian Airlines, or does AC own that..... :stirthepot:
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:20 am

Noise wrote:
They really need to rename themselves.

Even something like CanadianJet, so that it keeps a certain element of "WestJet", would be good.


Sounds way too much like CanJet and Canadi>n. Both rather ill-fated enterprises. I thought of Trans Canada (works in both French and English if you drop "Airlines"), but I suspect AC still owns the rights to that name. But still not global enough.

And I think they can drop the "jet", unless they're planning to fly DC6s or something :D

Someone in marketing will think of something clever that works in both official languages.

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Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:09 am

New livery and rebranded name ... this was all announced last year already ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUssmXKehw

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Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:42 am

Well, as everyone knows I’m usually not in favor of change for change sake, or (especially) more than a minor branding refresh of an aviation icon: but I’d make an exception here. I personally think the current livery is simply awful and hope that the new “identity” (which extends far beyond the livery) is inspired and well done.
I like Air Canada’s new livery a lot. As WestJet is now Canada’s #2 carrier, they must lose that dated ULLC look. Teal is fine, yes it’s very 80’s, but used correctly it could live onwards if the design is well done.
As for the name: yes, it does sound limiting (as just Western Canada) but Southwest and Northwest were able to overcome being geographically pigeon holed.
I have a very soft spot in my heart for Canada in general and think their President is cute - so let’s hear it for a groovy new identity!
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:39 am

I'm gonna wait until I see a new announcement to believe they're rebranding. And Westjet won't pull anything bad. It's physically impossible for them to ruin this livery. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like this livery, but there are like a million ways to improve it.
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:09 pm

beechnut wrote:
And hopefully a new name too. "WestJet" sounds far too regional, and has its roots in its founding as a smallish west-based carrier. With the global reach of the 789s, I don't feel it's an appropriate name any longer.



That is as ludicrous as suggesting Norweigan should change their name because they fly longhaul to other places in Europe beside Norway. WestJet has been WestJet for over 20 years, and is an established brand. Really why so much hate for WestJet as a name?
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:54 pm

I think WestJet could use a brand refresh. The livery is perfectly fine. It does not necessarily look dated. It is just boring. The cabin interiors also could do with a touch up. It all looks decidedly 1990s.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:26 pm

I agree. I don't see them changing names. Its a well established brand and most of their traffic will orginate in Canada. They may change their logo to make it more clear that they're a Canadian airline.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:32 pm

They could probably stretch the meaning of West in "Westjet" to incorporate the western world rather than Western Canada ;)
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:30 pm

Noise wrote:
sixtyseven wrote:
Teal. Lmao.

The NHL seemed to have teal everywhere. In the 90s. Then it went where it belongs the garbage heap. Teal? Really?


Besides the San Jose Sharks and the Anaheim Mighty Ducks, what other NHL teams had teal in the 90s?

Hartford Whalers had "green" not teal.


That whalers green was hideous enough to be lumped into the teal heap.

Ducks, Sharks, Caps, Whalers, Islanders all had some terrible form of that baby green/blue. 2003 came around and people started coming to their senses.

If there’s someone in WJ corporate banging their fists on a table for “more teal” then it could give the “more cowbell” skit a run for its money.

Brutal colours from a blip on the radar fad era.
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:08 pm

I could see a name change happen. Canadian Airways or Canada Airways anyone?

I for one do like the teal. It complements the quirky mid Blue and it’s also not so common in aircraft liveries now NZ have evolved to reflecting their national flag colour identity.

Guess we’ll have to wait another 11 days or so to find out.

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I have a very soft spot in my heart for Canada in general and think their President is cute - so let’s hear it for a groovy new identity!


Hahahaha well yes he is rather easy on the eye. It’s nice to see a good looking politician for a change. Along with DJing, politics really doesn’t seem to attract many decent looking people, rather the average and the mundane.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:20 pm

VC10er wrote:
I have a very soft spot in my heart for Canada in general and think their President is cute - so let’s hear it for a groovy new identity!


Just FYI he's our Prime Minister not President, yes Justin is great, polar opposites to the creep south of the border.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:23 pm

Let’s keep politics out of it because I think he’s an incompetent fool. Trudeau that is.

Lets focus on the matter at hand. Teal.

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Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:13 pm

There is re-branding and then there is brand recognition. The latter is FAR more valuable for something that is essentially a commodity service. Changing the name to something completely different would be kindergarten class marketing foolishness. The livery matters to 1% - price and service 99%. We have to get off the self-obsessed airline fandom bandwagon and start thinking as a rational business would.
 
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:50 pm

Prime Minister...how stupid of me apologies!

Well all I truly meant (tongue in cheek) pretty Prime Minister plus a pretty new WestJet design would be good.
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Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:01 am

ACCS300 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I have a very soft spot in my heart for Canada in general and think their President is cute - so let’s hear it for a groovy new identity!


Just FYI he's our Prime Minister not President, yes Justin is great, polar opposites to the creep south of the border.


Canadians always feel as though we need to teach/correct others about ourselves. In this case, we all understood what VC10er was communicating. In addition, your opinions on "that creep" is not shared by everyone on either side of the border, and you should keep that in mind. It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Westjet's livery could use an update. However, not sure about changing their name. They have absolutely no name recognition outside of Canada, and if they plan on being a flag carrier, it might be a good idea. I will wait and see.
 
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Re: Possible WestJet Livery Update?

Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:12 am

matthew11 wrote:
New livery is coming. It will be revealed Feb 28. I saw a blurred image of the new livery on a 737. Looks like there will be more teal back fuselage / tail like QANTAS. Sorry can’t share the image.


A Feb 28th unveiling makes sense as that is the airline’s de facto anniversary 3 out of every 4 years.
 
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Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:28 am

I welcome a new livery to replace that tired, boring one they have had for too long.

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