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Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:06 pm

As certification is imminent, Embraer reveals that E190-E2 flight testing has beaten all design targets.

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Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:22 pm

Congratulations Embraer. I look forward to seeing if the E2 sells well.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:29 pm

Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:49 pm

I'd be incredibly curious what the early results are for the 195E2. My hunch is it might see similar amounts of exceeding targets.

I would think we'll be hearing on certification any day now, as they have said they were very close, and April for entry into service isn't that far away.
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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:42 pm

With regard to the E195E2, since its launch many improvements have been revealed:
- New and bigger wings
- Larger MTOW, longer range
- Less noise, longer landing gear life
- Much better take-off performance
- Higher power (23,000 -> 25,000 pounds)

If there is interest in the market, I think that all the elements for an extension of the fuselage in 2 rows of seats are ready. It would be the 196E2 (43 m), with a true 140 seat capacity.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:22 pm

I’m sure there are reasons, but what are they, as to why they couldn’t stretch it by three or four rows? E200?
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:23 pm

Good job to the Embraer employees that made this project possible.
 
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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:24 pm

avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.



I truly hope so too. They could open up so many areas of the country with this plane, and it could solve all of their long beach and west coast issues with it. (yes I know it was tried before, just put the tools needed like a maintenance base out west too). the E190 could turn the tables on Southwest at so many west coast airports. No way could they keep under-pricing flying 737s to small airports with their double the labor cost vs. JetBlues 100 seater flown by cheaper labor. Also the 190 is 1000x more comfortable to fly in than a 737.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:41 pm

iceberg210 wrote:
I'd be incredibly curious what the early results are for the 195E2. My hunch is it might see similar amounts of exceeding targets.


Given the additional effort that went into the E195-E2 (wing improvements etc), I would be surprised if it doesn't exceed expectations.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:33 pm

texl1649 wrote:
I’m sure there are reasons, but what are they, as to why they couldn’t stretch it by three or four rows? E200?

Tail strike. Same reason the Q400 will never exceed 90 seats.
That's why the CSeries went 5 across - 25% more capacity for given length.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:35 pm

Does this have transcon range?
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:54 pm

I wonder how Boeing is viewing this given the possibility of the two tying up?
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:03 pm

avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.

The cseries still beats it and delivers a better transcon performances than the E2. Jfk-abq/rno/oak/Pdx/psp/slc or bos-slc/Dfw/msy/Pdx on the cseries offers better range and better cost per seat vs the E2. I still think the cseries will offer better overall cost savings and better network opportunities with its performance over the E2. It would be incumbent upon JetBlue to look at the long term cost benefits of the cseries over the E2 and not just sticker price.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:04 pm

dbo861 wrote:
Does this have transcon range?


2600 NM.

It's tight in winter on the westbound legs.

The CSeries is a better option for B6.
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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:07 pm

Abeam79 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.

The cseries still beats it and delivers a better transcon performances than the E2. Jfk-abq/rno/oak/Pdx/psp/slc or bos-slc/Dfw/msy/Pdx on the cseries offers better range and better cost per seat vs the E2. I still think the cseries will offer better overall cost savings and better network opportunities with its performance over the E2. It would be incumbent upon JetBlue to look at the long term cost benefits of the cseries over the E2 and not just sticker price.


Abeam79,

Rest assured, with the help of Canadian taxpayers the the CS-100's price will be unbeatable.
 
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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:09 pm

Abeam79 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.

The cseries still beats it and delivers a better transcon performances than the E2. Jfk-abq/rno/oak/Pdx/psp/slc or bos-slc/Dfw/msy/Pdx on the cseries offers better range and better cost per seat vs the E2. I still think the cseries will offer better overall cost savings and better network opportunities with its performance over the E2. It would be incumbent upon JetBlue to look at the long term cost benefits of the cseries over the E2 and not just sticker price.

At least what information there has been sounds like they are VERY close between the CS100 and E195E2, with perhaps the E2 thanks to maintenance etc having a very slight edge (or at least that's what I've seen on the site previously) does anyone know if that's still how they line up currently?

But I do think it is very interesting to see if the extra performance from the 190E2, moves into the 195E2 in enough of a way for it to be a transcon machine. Big if, but one I'm sure Embraer is trying very hard to make sure happens. I know the last time they announced performance increases it was from 16 to 17% better, I'm curious whether the extra 0.3% is just they left off a decimal last time, or if since then they've found another 0.3% efficiency running around.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:18 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
dbo861 wrote:
Does this have transcon range?


2600 NM.

It's tight in winter on the westbound legs.

The CSeries is a better option for B6.

I agree, winter westbound will be tough, vs cs100 has a 3200nm range which it can do comfortably and efficiently with long thin routes.
Nean1 wrote:
Abeam79 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.

The cseries still beats it and delivers a better transcon performances than the E2. Jfk-abq/rno/oak/Pdx/psp/slc or bos-slc/Dfw/msy/Pdx on the cseries offers better range and better cost per seat vs the E2. I still think the cseries will offer better overall cost savings and better network opportunities with its performance over the E2. It would be incumbent upon JetBlue to look at the long term cost benefits of the cseries over the E2 and not just sticker price.


Abeam79,

Rest assured, with the help of Canadian taxpayers the the CS-100's price will be unbeatable.

That sounds promising!
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:22 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
dbo861 wrote:
Does this have transcon range?


2600 NM.

It's tight in winter on the westbound legs.


Actually, since January 2018 the range for E190-E2 is 2.880 nm and for the E195-E2 is 2.600 nm
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:32 pm

There are rumors that the E195E2's range will gain ~200 nm, giving 2800 nm. Let's see.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:35 pm

Is there really demand (high enough yield) for transcon flights in 100 seaters?
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:44 pm

Flighty wrote:
Is there really demand (high enough yield) for transcon flights in 100 seaters?


According to FlightGlobal, 95% of flights between city pairs are under 1.500nm.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:54 pm

EMBSPBR wrote:
Flighty wrote:
Is there really demand (high enough yield) for transcon flights in 100 seaters?


According to FlightGlobal, 95% of flights between city pairs are under 1.500nm.


Can you please post a link: i like to know more about it.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:59 pm

Abeam79 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.

The cseries still beats it and delivers a better transcon performances than the E2. Jfk-abq/rno/oak/Pdx/psp/slc or bos-slc/Dfw/msy/Pdx on the cseries offers better range and better cost per seat vs the E2. I still think the cseries will offer better overall cost savings and better network opportunities with its performance over the E2. It would be incumbent upon JetBlue to look at the long term cost benefits of the cseries over the E2 and not just sticker price.


Interesting thoughts. This assumes that B6 is looking at the E2 and CSeries not just as replacements of the E190, but also as replacements for certain flying currently done by the A320.

Although B6 management has not publicly stated this, I'm sure they find it very appealing to only need to fill up 100 seats instead of 162 on long, thinner routes like JFK-ABQ/RNO.

Flighty wrote:
Is there really demand (high enough yield) for transcon flights in 100 seaters?


I don't think there would ever be a business case to put 100-seaters in markets like JFK-LAX and IAD-SEA, but it could very well make thinner routes (like those I mentioned above) more viable/profitable, especially as fuel prices continue to march higher.

Perhaps it could even open up smaller cities like BOI, GEG, and TUS to nonstop flights to the East Coast, and cities like BUF, RIC, and CHS to the West Coast.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:00 pm

EMBSPBR wrote:
Flighty wrote:
Is there really demand (high enough yield) for transcon flights in 100 seaters?


According to FlightGlobal, 95% of flights between city pairs are under 1.500nm.

A more meaningless statistic would be hard to devise. Passenger demand is what matters, not "flights". PWM-ORD-GEG for example, both flights are under 1,500mi, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the demand is by passengers who are going 2,398mi.

The question is: "Are there enough markets where there is demand for a non-stop flight with Transcon range that are not large enough for an existing narrowbody?"
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:01 pm

Abeam79 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.

The cseries still beats it and delivers a better transcon performances than the E2. Jfk-abq/rno/oak/Pdx/psp/slc or bos-slc/Dfw/msy/Pdx on the cseries offers better range and better cost per seat vs the E2. I still think the cseries will offer better overall cost savings and better network opportunities with its performance over the E2. It would be incumbent upon JetBlue to look at the long term cost benefits of the cseries over the E2 and not just sticker price.


based on .... ????
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:05 pm

What were the expectations again? :-)
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:22 pm

I doubt too many orders are going to happen for more gtf planes until a real delivery stream and reliable feedback is available.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:56 pm

I think JetBlue will most likely go with some E2s, but we'll have to wait and see.
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:03 pm

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Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.


Lets hope so and without a 30% tax hike to queer the pitch!
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:50 pm

Abeam79 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.

The cseries still beats it and delivers a better transcon performances than the E2. Jfk-abq/rno/oak/Pdx/psp/slc or bos-slc/Dfw/msy/Pdx on the cseries offers better range and better cost per seat vs the E2. I still think the cseries will offer better overall cost savings and better network opportunities with its performance over the E2. It would be incumbent upon JetBlue to look at the long term cost benefits of the cseries over the E2 and not just sticker price.


What airline is wanting to fly these regional jets/ small mainline jets on those routes?
Airlines want the lower casm/higher RSM potential of the 738/A320/A321/739 on those routes.
Both the EMB and BBD are niche in that above 100 passenger space. They are awesome regional jet upgauges. If they are chasing Transcon, they arent going to be landing any orders.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:47 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
dbo861 wrote:
Does this have transcon range?


2600 NM.

It's tight in winter on the westbound legs.

The CSeries is a better option for B6.


Most of the transcons are or are going to 321 MINT planes so the CSeries won't have much use there anyways. E190 is perfect for the mid-cons and short legs with frequency.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:41 am

I personally think E2-95 will get picked by JetBlue, but Embraer would need to offer a really great deal.

Such a replacement would drastically reduce CASM on all of those ex-BOS business routes without diluting yield too much.

They can also look into adding more thin routes out of FLL to intra-Florida stations like MCO/TPA/TLH/DAB.

I can't see them setting up a E90 base out in west coast when their focus is in expanding BOS and FLL station. And really, there is not much need in competing against SouthWest on those intra-Cali routes. Get deeper relationship with JetSuiteX. They have plenty of space at SFO and LAX to add more flights.

I don't think C-Series range is needed.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:51 am

"Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected"

Either the expectation (target) was too low or there has been some design changes during development (relative to the initial expectation) or they have lost the opportunity to sell more aircraft at higher value.

The good thing is that the backlog is quite small today, thus from now on they can sell the E190-E2 at its right value.

As for the range, it is about right for an aircraft in its category. This is one of those "Regional jets that are getting a little bigger".
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:21 am

I would love to see this or the C Series in the SWA livery but it’ll never happen :(
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:44 am

Can the E195E2 do london city ?
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:57 am

Between the C-Series and E2 there's no much in regards to performance. Given that headline performance not always are reached when the aircraft is in service, you could quite say that they are evenly matched.
Pricewise, again the same thing - When will a CSeries be sold by its REAL Price? Until that happens, it is too hard to consider who will go for what.
A lot of people are dying to see B6 ordering C-Series. If they do and BBD gets away with it again on dumping (should they dump as they did with DL), then you can close any other aircraft maker in the range.
Personally, I think B6 will order E2s instead because they can simply swap old planes/amend what they already have in order rather than go for a brand new order.
That is - if BBD does not decide to dump planes again. Although I do not think it is going to happen given Airbus now has a say and will not want to jeopardize their own business.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:26 am

avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.



If I was a betting man, I think they will order 195s
 
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VV wrote:
"Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected"

Either the expectation (target) was too low or there has been some design changes during development (relative to the initial expectation) or they have lost the opportunity to sell more aircraft at higher value.

The good thing is that the backlog is quite small today, thus from now on they can sell the E190-E2 at its right value.

As for the range, it is about right for an aircraft in its category. This is one of those "Regional jets that are getting a little bigger".


VV,

I have no way of knowing how familiar you are with complex projects such as aircraft. At the time of the launch of the E2 generation in 2013 there were many proposed changes. Learning through the process allowed a rebalancing between the various conflicting objectives (production cost, fuel efficiency, performance, maintenance, confort ...).

Success in design is always relative. Considering the serious problems that affected the Sukhoi SSJ-100, Mitsubishi MRJ-90, Boeing 787, Airbus A350 and A380, Bombardier CRJ-1000 / CS Series / Global 7000 / Learjet 85 projects, I can say without hesitation that Embraer achieved a very good outcome.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:48 pm

fastmover wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.



If I was a betting man, I think they will order 195s


I tend to think that Embraer is going to do EVERYTHING it can to keep B6 as a customer, so I agree with your bet. The C-series is an interesting plane and would fill the niche, but I think the E2s will be the way to go presuming the price is right. My guess is that B6 turns over some of its current E190s back to Embraer as part of a deal.
If the E190-E2s have a 2600nm range, that's probably more than enough for JetBlue. They are not looking for transcon range, but the flexibility of a plane with this range is huge. My longest JetBlue E190 flight was from BOS-DFW, and as a passenger it was very comfortable over that kind of distance. I'd be OK flying JFK-ABQ or even further on such a plane.
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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:37 pm

Nean1 wrote:
VV,

I have no way of knowing how familiar you are with complex projects such as aircraft. At the time of the launch of the E2 generation in 2013 there were many proposed changes. Learning through the process allowed a rebalancing between the various conflicting objectives (production cost, fuel efficiency, performance, maintenance, confort ...).

Success in design is always relative. Considering the serious problems that affected the Sukhoi SSJ-100, Mitsubishi MRJ-90, Boeing 787, Airbus A350 and A380, Bombardier CRJ-1000 / CS Series / Global 7000 / Learjet 85 projects, I can say without hesitation that Embraer achieved a very good outcome.


It does not matter much whether I am familiar or not with aircraft development process.

The term "better than expected" can indeed be very ambiguous. Is it against the initial target that was set at launch? Is it "better" against the status each time the design has been adjusted?

In any case, there is a mechanism, that I do not want to discuss here, to protect the company from uncertainties during the development. If someone tells me an aircraft if finally "better than expected" and if I were the boss then I would be seriously upset.

In my opinion, it means the initial target was not ambitious enough or the engineers were hiding design margins without telling the bosses. Either way, it is not good.

As I said previously, it is very fortunate Embraer didn't sell too many E2 as yet because now they can sell them at the right value.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:16 pm

VV wrote:
Nean1 wrote:
VV,

I have no way of knowing how familiar you are with complex projects such as aircraft. At the time of the launch of the E2 generation in 2013 there were many proposed changes. Learning through the process allowed a rebalancing between the various conflicting objectives (production cost, fuel efficiency, performance, maintenance, confort ...).

Success in design is always relative. Considering the serious problems that affected the Sukhoi SSJ-100, Mitsubishi MRJ-90, Boeing 787, Airbus A350 and A380, Bombardier CRJ-1000 / CS Series / Global 7000 / Learjet 85 projects, I can say without hesitation that Embraer achieved a very good outcome.


It does not matter much whether I am familiar or not with aircraft development process.

The term "better than expected" can indeed be very ambiguous. Is it against the initial target that was set at launch? Is it "better" against the status each time the design has been adjusted?

In any case, there is a mechanism, that I do not want to discuss here, to protect the company from uncertainties during the development. If someone tells me an aircraft if finally "better than expected" and if I were the boss then I would be seriously upset.

In my opinion, it means the initial target was not ambitious enough or the engineers were hiding design margins without telling the bosses. Either way, it is not good.

As I said previously, it is very fortunate Embraer didn't sell too many E2 as yet because now they can sell them at the right value.


VV,

You seem to have written things without thinking before. Anyway, I think your advice will be valuable so that Embraer project management can be further improved.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:30 pm

Nean1 wrote:
VV,

You seem to have written things without thinking before. Anyway, I think your advice will be valuable so that Embraer project management can be further improved.


It does not matter much whether I thought or didn't think before writing things.

The important point is that Embraer can now sell the aircraft at its correct value. Fortunately, they haven't sell a lot of them at depressed value.

Better, if the deal with Boeing happens this summer then they can sell even more aircraft at the right value.
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:35 pm

Nice Embraer!!!! I’m really hoping DL and B6 jump on this program, but seeing as DL has CSeries order, I don’t think it’s possible :sorry: but B6 is a likely candidate, considering they don’t follow delta and order the CSeries.... lets hope! :crossfingers:
 
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:47 pm

texl1649 wrote:
I’m sure there are reasons, but what are they, as to why they couldn’t stretch it by three or four rows? E200?



Do you realize how long it would take to load a plane that long. Also that much of a stretch of a narrow fuselage would cost a loy of additional weight. Neggating thw improvements. You can only go so long before issues pop up.
 
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Nean1 wrote:
Abeam79 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.

The cseries still beats it and delivers a better transcon performances than the E2. Jfk-abq/rno/oak/Pdx/psp/slc or bos-slc/Dfw/msy/Pdx on the cseries offers better range and better cost per seat vs the E2. I still think the cseries will offer better overall cost savings and better network opportunities with its performance over the E2. It would be incumbent upon JetBlue to look at the long term cost benefits of the cseries over the E2 and not just sticker price.


Abeam79,

Rest assured, with the help of Canadian taxpayers the the CS-100's price will be unbeatable.


You realize Boeing cut cost to UA on that 73g offer to quiye a bit less than what DL is paying for the C series. That was preditory as well. No manufacturer sell for list price, just like buying a car, tv or microwave. Look at store prices vs list. We live in a society of morons that stoped shopping at JC Pennys when they staryed real pricing instead of sales.
 
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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:02 pm

airzona11 wrote:
Abeam79 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.

The cseries still beats it and delivers a better transcon performances than the E2. Jfk-abq/rno/oak/Pdx/psp/slc or bos-slc/Dfw/msy/Pdx on the cseries offers better range and better cost per seat vs the E2. I still think the cseries will offer better overall cost savings and better network opportunities with its performance over the E2. It would be incumbent upon JetBlue to look at the long term cost benefits of the cseries over the E2 and not just sticker price.


What airline is wanting to fly these regional jets/ small mainline jets on those routes?
Airlines want the lower casm/higher RSM potential of the 738/A320/A321/739 on those routes.
Both the EMB and BBD are niche in that above 100 passenger space. They are awesome regional jet upgauges. If they are chasing Transcon, they arent going to be landing any orders.


Hawaiian would be great for C series if the engine turn is ok on short hops and can also do smaller west cost mainland cities and smaller south pacific island routes. Many smaller ilands want to connect to HNL.
 
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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:23 pm

avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.


The E195-E2 might be better suited to the network, especially for a massive expansion from FLL.
 
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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:09 pm

richierich wrote:
fastmover wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Hopefully B6 will jump in now. It would be sad if they did not.



If I was a betting man, I think they will order 195s


I tend to think that Embraer is going to do EVERYTHING it can to keep B6 as a customer, so I agree with your bet. The C-series is an interesting plane and would fill the niche, but I think the E2s will be the way to go presuming the price is right. My guess is that B6 turns over some of its current E190s back to Embraer as part of a deal.
If the E190-E2s have a 2600nm range, that's probably more than enough for JetBlue. They are not looking for transcon range, but the flexibility of a plane with this range is huge. My longest JetBlue E190 flight was from BOS-DFW, and as a passenger it was very comfortable over that kind of distance. I'd be OK flying JFK-ABQ or even further on such a plane.

As a betting man, I see the C-series with NEO orders upgauged to the A321NEO. Embraer will try, but one major issue with the E-190 is they couldn't use the on the West Coast. Obviously, the better price would sway JetBlue.

Either way, I expect the E-190 replacement order this year. If neither bid low, expect E-190 retirements and a few markets abandoned.

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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:40 am

rbavfan wrote:
texl1649 wrote:
I’m sure there are reasons, but what are they, as to why they couldn’t stretch it by three or four rows? E200?



Do you realize how long it would take to load a plane that long. Also that much of a stretch of a narrow fuselage would cost a loy of additional weight. Neggating thw improvements. You can only go so long before issues pop up.


rbavfan,

Although boarding and deplaning time is related to cabin length, there are other factors to consider. I draw attention to aisle space per passenger. If we compare the corridor widths of the B737 / A320 and E190 airplanes we note that the dimensions are practically the same (19, 20 and 19.75 inches, respectively). This means that the E2 has 50% more aisle area per passenger, which speeds up the deplaning.
 
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Re: Embraer E190-E2 performs better than expected

Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:49 am

Can it operate into LCY ?
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