Midwestindy wrote:

klm617 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

I guess you are going to shocked when I tell you the O&D between Lagos and Houston is larger than the O&D between Houston and Frankfurt, Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore, Mumbai, Beijing, Buenos Aires, need I mention anymore?

If that were the case where is the flight to cater to that traffic.

Dude, UA was running it until 2016 at 80%+ LF.

I honestly don't know why you engage in these conversations when you don't know what you are talking about.

O&D was not the problem, Nigeria had its worst economic crisis in 30 years during 2016, and UA had difficulty collecting money from ticket sales. This was because Nigeria restricted the amount of money that could be moved abroad during their recession, because their US currency reserves were depleted. The country ended up owing airlines like UA about $575 million...UA wasn't the only airline that pulled out IB did as well. Obviously the economy has recovered or DL wouldn't be adding JFK-LOS

jetbluefan1 wrote:

I know SEP is low season, but 2x is not competitive with DL's shuttle-like operation and B6's 5x. I wonder if this will stick around for much longer...

enilria wrote:

WN ATL-BNA AUG 0>4 SEP 0>5

knope2001 wrote:

jetbluefan1 wrote:

enilria wrote:

WN ATL-BOS SEP 3>2

I know SEP is low season, but 2x is not competitive with DL's shuttle-like operation and B6's 5x. I wonder if this will stick around for much longer...

A little brow-furrowing to see the number of weekday September flights for some Boston markets:
2x Atlanta
1x Columbus
1x Houston
1x Indianapolis

Sure, September is a week month because kids are back in school and people who have taken summer vacations are not primed to take another getaway so quickly after summer has ended. But September is not a weak business month and the level of service is just not worth much in these competitive business-travel city pairs.

This is a good-economy era with reasonable fuel prices and yet Southwest is choosing to trim back this flying. How will they do when we have $110 oil or a recession? If Southwest want to compete solidly for business travel in market like these they either need to stick it out in slower months or look to smaller aircraft. Of course nothing says they have to be going for the business market in these city pairs, but that raises the question of who do they want to be. When an Atlanta flyer can't get a nonstop to Boston until 1:30 in the afternoon it sure doesn't help build loyalty. And when you consider that travelers typically have to seek out Southwest specifically, whose to say they will bother checking Southwest the next time they fly even if there is a morning nonstop back in the schedule

MAH4546 wrote:

AA aus flying a 772 on the route right now, IIRC.

jordanh wrote:

Throwing up a white flag in SFO and Southern California, and circling the wagons in SEA?

CobaltScar wrote:

jordanh wrote:

Throwing up a white flag in SFO and Southern California, and circling the wagons in SEA?

More like paving the way for the obvious AS/B6 merger so both companies can make a boat load of money. How the BoD and investors are not already demanding this happens is beyond me.

wedgetail737 wrote:

CobaltScar wrote:

jordanh wrote:

Throwing up a white flag in SFO and Southern California, and circling the wagons in SEA?

More like paving the way for the obvious AS/B6 merger so both companies can make a boat load of money. How the BoD and investors are not already demanding this happens is beyond me.

I don't think either airline can afford each other right now. You know, there could be a F9/B6 merger or NK/B6 merger.

jetero wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

DTW-BJX? Woah! I thought they’d see GDL before getting into more interior Mexico. This is going to be huge for the automakers.

It amazes me that people think there’s a market from DTW to BJX.

lavalampluva wrote:

jetero wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

DTW-BJX? Woah! I thought they’d see GDL before getting into more interior Mexico. This is going to be huge for the automakers.

It amazes me that people think there’s a market from DTW to BJX.

While I get that both locations are big with the automotive industry, are there going to be 300-400 pax per week? I don't see BJX attracting tourists.

phluser wrote:

tphuang wrote:

BOS-ATL is a huge bloodbath. NK yields are at LAX-PDX/SEA level right before they cut those routes, so I think they are toast.

AFAIK, NK is seasonal on BOS-ATL, and if it's cut, it's no game changer for them strategically. Atleast on my ventures on PHL-ATL on NK, majority of the pax are Black. In Boston, the Black population is a lot less than Philly. With WN, a cut to ATL is more meaningful since WN acquired FL and tried to make routes work for business passengers. Would Amazon HQ2 decision make a difference? WN might want to wait to see If Boston or Atlanta are the next HQ2, before decision of cuts at either end. Aside from that, I also wonder if WN would take a page from it's old playbook and consider PVD, for maybe a flight to ATL if it doesn't want to compete out of BOS.

lavalampluva wrote:

jetero wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

DTW-BJX? Woah! I thought they’d see GDL before getting into more interior Mexico. This is going to be huge for the automakers.

It amazes me that people think there’s a market from DTW to BJX.

While I get that both locations are big with the automotive industry, are there going to be 300-400 pax per week? I don't see BJX attracting tourists.

wedgetail737 wrote:

CobaltScar wrote:

jordanh wrote:

Throwing up a white flag in SFO and Southern California, and circling the wagons in SEA?

More like paving the way for the obvious AS/B6 merger so both companies can make a boat load of money. How the BoD and investors are not already demanding this happens is beyond me.

I don't think either airline can afford each other right now. You know, there could be a F9/B6 merger or NK/B6 merger.

AAvgeek744 wrote:

wedgetail737 wrote:

CobaltScar wrote:

More like paving the way for the obvious AS/B6 merger so both companies can make a boat load of money. How the BoD and investors are not already demanding this happens is beyond me.

I don't think either airline can afford each other right now. You know, there could be a F9/B6 merger or NK/B6 merger.

No more mergers please! However, B6 and one of the ULCC's makes little sense. Now NK+F9, that could happen. B6 is looking like the odd man out. If the comments in the thread about their problems are true, some of the luster is gone from their product.