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KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:50 pm
by aristoenigma
Is KLM still flying BH-BFC? Nearly 30 yrs old. Because it was grounded for volcano ash way back when does it have less hours and cycles than its other 744s? Could it outlast other hangar mates?

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:55 pm
by SpaceshipDC10
aristoenigma wrote:
Is KLM still flying BH-BFC?


Have a look here: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfc

aristoenigma wrote:
Because it was grounded for volcano ash way back when does it have less hours and cycles than its other 744s?


Huh? Don't understand.

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:59 pm
by 777klm
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
aristoenigma wrote:
Is KLM still flying BH-BFC?


Have a look here: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfc

aristoenigma wrote:
Because it was grounded for volcano ash way back when does it have less hours and cycles than its other 744s?


Huh? Don't understand.

I think he's referring to flight KL867 that was forced to make an emergency landing in ANC when all four engines failed due to volcanic ashes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_Flight_867

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:12 pm
by DTWLAX
777klm wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
aristoenigma wrote:
Is KLM still flying BH-BFC?


Have a look here: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfc

aristoenigma wrote:
Because it was grounded for volcano ash way back when does it have less hours and cycles than its other 744s?


Huh? Don't understand.

I think he's referring to flight KL867 that was forced to make an emergency landing in ANC when all four engines failed due to volcanic ashes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_Flight_867

Why was the aircraft flying close to ANC? Seems way off on gcmap
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AMS-NRT

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:27 pm
by XAM2175
It was making a scheduled stop in ANC anyway.

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:28 pm
by 777klm
DTWLAX wrote:
777klm wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:

Have a look here: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfc



Huh? Don't understand.

I think he's referring to flight KL867 that was forced to make an emergency landing in ANC when all four engines failed due to volcanic ashes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM_Flight_867

Why was the aircraft flying close to ANC? Seems way off on gcmap
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AMS-NRT


The aircraft was scheduled to fly AMS-ANC-NRT.
So what was supposed to be a scheduled landing in ANC became an emergency landing in ANC.

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:30 pm
by SpaceshipDC10
DTWLAX wrote:
Why was the aircraft flying close to ANC? Seems way off on gcmap
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AMS-NRT


Because back then Russia's airspace was off limits, so flights to Japan and South Korea were heading to ANC before continuing onward to their final destination, except AY and its polar route.

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:40 pm
by factsonly
DTWLAX wrote:

Why was the aircraft flying close to ANC? Seems way off on gcmap

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AMS-NRT


The answer is simple, prior to 1998 non-stop flights Europe-Tokyo were non-existent (only AY flew HEL-TYO nonstop from 1983).

During much of the Cold War, the Arctic region was a buffer zone between the Soviet Union and North America; civilian flights from Europe to the Asian Far East were unable to cross the Soviet Union or China and had to use a Middle East route or connect through Anchorage, Alaska across the Arctic region. These Cold War tracks extended from the northern Alaskan coast across Greenland to Europe. Korean Air Lines Flight 902 operated with a Boeing 707 was shot down over the USSR by a Soviet Air Force fighter aircraft in 1978 after the flight crew made gross navigational errors attempting to fly the assigned polar route.

Prior to the advent of today's modern long range jetliners, Anchorage International Airport (ANC) in Alaska was a technical stop for a number of airlines flying the polar route between western Europe and Tokyo. According to the July 1, 1983 edition of the Worldwide Official Airline Guide (OAG), Air France, British Airways, Japan Air Lines (JAL), KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, Lufthansa, Sabena and Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) were all operating flights between Japan and western Europe which included a stop in Anchorage.

U.S. based air carrier Western Airlines also flew a polar route during the early 1980s between London Gatwick Airport and Honolulu using DC-10-30 aircraft, with these flights also making a stop in Anchorage.

Following the end of the Cold War, the main obstacle to flights across Russia was the Russian air traffic control system and a lack of English communication. To solve these issues, RACGAT (Russian-American Coordinating Group for Air Traffic) was formed in 1993. By summer 1998, the Russian government gave permission to open four cross-polar routes, named Polar 1, 2, 3 and 4.

KLM B747-400 PH-BFC operated an AMS-ANC-TYO service and entered a cloud of vulcanic ash over Alaska, leading to the loss of all four engines. Luckily the crew managed to re-start them in time and made a safe landing at ANC. The aircraft was out of service for a significant length of time.

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:56 pm
by CrimsonNL
aristoenigma wrote:
Because it was grounded for volcano ash way back when does it have less hours and cycles than its other 744s?


Quite the opposite! BFC is nearing 141.000 hours, and is considered to be the record holder in terms of flown hours for the 747 model!

Martijn

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:57 pm
by XAM2175
It's also the reason that ANC, alone amongst all US airports, permitted airside transits (though I believe this exemption is now gone).

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:44 am
by Aircellist
factsonly, you could quote your source… especially when you verbatim large expenses of it…

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:51 am
by HB-IWC
The PH-BFC will soon be retired. Currently, and therefore subject to change, the retirement dates for the remaining passenger B744 aircraft at KLM are as follows:

PH-BFC - Mar-18
PH-BFB - Nov-18
PH-BFU - Dec-18
PH-BFG - Nov-19
PH-BFH - Mar-20
PH-BFI - May-20
PH-BFS - Jun-20
PH-BFT - Oct-20
PH-BFL - Nov-20
PH-BFV - Mar-21
PH-BFN - Apr-21
PH-BFW - Apr-21
PH-BFY - Jun-21

Final day of operation for the PH-BFC is currently 07MAR2018.

Re: KLM 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:40 am
by Iemand91
I keep track of every thing KLM 747 here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=597241