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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:06 pm

Just saw the emplanement numbers for FY17 versus FY16. Looking at ITH/ELM/BGM:

ITH was +9.61%
ELM was - 9.4%
BGM was - 51.15%

Great news for ITH as service continues to grow. AA this week announced Saturday only service to CLT beginning in December.

BGM numbers aren’t surprising with AA and UA both ending service.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:51 am

Syracuse Airport misses out on $400,000 federal grant for non-stop service to DEN.

https://www.syracuse.com/business-news/ ... ights.html
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:22 am

Noticed a SwiftAir charter at SYR yesterday when I flew in. What is there in Syracuse for such a thing?
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:14 am

WeatherPilot wrote:
Syracuse Airport misses out on $400,000 federal grant for non-stop service to DEN.

https://www.syracuse.com/business-news/ ... ights.html

That is sad to hear, but it proves that they have been in serious discussion with United. Maybe United is interested, but with the opportunity of this grant, they said "well, let's give it a try." Just because they didn't get it, doesn't mean they aren't still willing to give it a try. It just means greater risk that it won't gain traction, and the flights will be short lived. But with F9 jumping in first, the two airlines might prove demand that neither was confident existed before. Here's hoping!
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:27 pm

Did you guys know DL has been sending a 319 from MSP daily to ROC!
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:47 pm

jworks158 wrote:
Did you guys know DL has been sending a 319 from MSP daily to ROC!


DL has been doing the same thing from SYR (with the occasional sub on the 717)
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:17 pm

jworks158 wrote:
Did you guys know DL has been sending a 319 from MSP daily to ROC!


They upgauge to mainline every year. May through October A319/717/MD-90 and November through April CRJ900.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:47 pm

jworks158 wrote:
Did you guys know DL has been sending a 319 from MSP daily to ROC!


Yes, I enjoy seeing it on the ROC webcam! Loving the summer increase in UA mainline to ORD, too. The EWR mainline may stick, as UA is upgauging to deal with EWR's capacity limitations.

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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:07 pm

digitalman12 wrote:
Noticed a SwiftAir charter at SYR yesterday when I flew in. What is there in Syracuse for such a thing?

I would guess Fort Drum military charter.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:47 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
digitalman12 wrote:
Noticed a SwiftAir charter at SYR yesterday when I flew in. What is there in Syracuse for such a thing?

I would guess Fort Drum military charter.

Possibly an ACY casino charter. Drum has a 10,000 foot strip and charters, up to 747s, operate into there. Symbol for Drum is GTB.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:55 pm

Roots1 wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Did you guys know DL has been sending a 319 from MSP daily to ROC!


They upgauge to mainline every year. May through October A319/717/MD-90 and November through April CRJ900.


Yeah, I knew we got 717/MD90s but never saw a DL airbus here!
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:56 pm

DCA-ROCguy wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
Did you guys know DL has been sending a 319 from MSP daily to ROC!


Yes, I enjoy seeing it on the ROC webcam! Loving the summer increase in UA mainline to ORD, too. The EWR mainline may stick, as UA is upgauging to deal with EWR's capacity limitations.

Jim


I too am enjoying the UA mainline increase, not to start up the AB v B debate though :) Where is the webcam?
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:14 pm

jworks158 wrote:
I too am enjoying the UA mainline increase, not to start up the AB v B debate though :) Where is the webcam?


Here it is! For now, the DL A319 regularly parks at gate B4.

https://www2.monroecounty.gov/airport-c ... 1528899879

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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:51 am

At SYR DL uses either an MD-88 or an A319 during the summer for the MSP flights. Interestingly enough yesterday on theSYR webcams (https://www.syrairport.org/about-us/live-video/) I saw a Frontier A320neo with a rabbit on the tail operating the DEN-SYR-RDU-SYR-DEN route and it looked brand new. BTW the SYR webcams are streaming and there's 3 of them plus you can access them from Youtube.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:23 pm

BNIA / Buffalo up 9.6% or 40,000 passengers in June! My guess is that they hit over 5 million passengers this year.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:15 pm

Heard a rumor in Polish media that LOT may start transatlantic flights BNIA, would be pretty wild considering how many Polish people live across the border in Ontario.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:43 pm

LOT must be angling for better rates from Toronto Pearson :roll:

Honestly I'm surprised that low cost European carriers like Norwegian or WOW aren't making inroads into Buffalo as an alternative to YYZ. Sure it is a smaller terminal and would require expansion of its customs facilities to handle regular international traffic, but I would think the already-existing market of Canadian cross-border travelers in addition to US passengers would support one or two flights a week.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:11 pm

krolt767 wrote:
Heard a rumor in Polish media that LOT may start transatlantic flights BNIA, would be pretty wild considering how many Polish people live across the border in Ontario.


The Buffalo area actually had the third largest Polish-American polpulation in the US. The town I grew up in was 40% Polish.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:42 am

99NY wrote:
LOT must be angling for better rates from Toronto Pearson :roll:

Honestly I'm surprised that low cost European carriers like Norwegian or WOW aren't making inroads into Buffalo as an alternative to YYZ. Sure it is a smaller terminal and would require expansion of its customs facilities to handle regular international traffic, but I would think the already-existing market of Canadian cross-border travelers in addition to US passengers would support one or two flights a week.

I'm not saying it could never happen, but I think the YYZ market would prefer Hamilton if they need a cheaper alternative. I know some Canadians go to BUF to save money, but those are bonus pax for US carriers. European carriers targeting Toronto probably would see Hamilton as a way to lure Toronto and Western NY to middle ground.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:48 pm

According to Flight Radar 24 there is a DC-10 Scheduled to operate FX936 MEM-ROC service tomorrow, instead of the typical 767
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:58 pm

cosyr wrote:
99NY wrote:
LOT must be angling for better rates from Toronto Pearson :roll:

Honestly I'm surprised that low cost European carriers like Norwegian or WOW aren't making inroads into Buffalo as an alternative to YYZ. Sure it is a smaller terminal and would require expansion of its customs facilities to handle regular international traffic, but I would think the already-existing market of Canadian cross-border travelers in addition to US passengers would support one or two flights a week.

I'm not saying it could never happen, but I think the YYZ market would prefer Hamilton if they need a cheaper alternative. I know some Canadians go to BUF to save money, but those are bonus pax for US carriers. European carriers targeting Toronto probably would see Hamilton as a way to lure Toronto and Western NY to middle ground.


I’m not sure about The Canadian - Polish aviation agreement. Is it frequency limited or is it strictly a matter of cost.

If it’s frequency, that could count Hamilton out.

In any event time will tell.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:36 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
krolt767 wrote:
Heard a rumor in Polish media that LOT may start transatlantic flights BNIA, would be pretty wild considering how many Polish people live across the border in Ontario.


The Buffalo area actually had the third largest Polish-American polpulation in the US. The town I grew up in was 40% Polish.


But generational/heritage links don’t equate to air travel demand. Perhaps a first generation immigrant that still had family to visit in their former country, but not someone whose ancestors emigrated many generations ago. If that was the case Lufthansa would be flying daily to Milwaukee.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:19 am

Roots1 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
krolt767 wrote:
Heard a rumor in Polish media that LOT may start transatlantic flights BNIA, would be pretty wild considering how many Polish people live across the border in Ontario.


The Buffalo area actually had the third largest Polish-American polpulation in the US. The town I grew up in was 40% Polish.


But generational/heritage links don’t equate to air travel demand. Perhaps a first generation immigrant that still had family to visit in their former country, but not someone whose ancestors emigrated many generations ago. If that was the case Lufthansa would be flying daily to Milwaukee.


Yea I noticed that, growing up first generation in NYC almost all my family friends went yearly, in Buffalo its more of a cultural thing, found many people here are 2nd or 3rd gen. Still would be neat, although impractical for my childhood airline to start flying into the area, but who knows stranger things have happened.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:19 am

jworks158 wrote:
According to Flight Radar 24 there is a DC-10 Scheduled to operate FX936 MEM-ROC service tomorrow, instead of the typical 767


FedEx still seems to operate DC-10's to ROC now and then. I really enjoyed seeing them on my visits home when they were being used regularly.

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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:26 pm

DCA-ROCguy wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
According to Flight Radar 24 there is a DC-10 Scheduled to operate FX936 MEM-ROC service tomorrow, instead of the typical 767


FedEx still seems to operate DC-10's to ROC now and then. I really enjoyed seeing them on my visits home when they were being used regularly.

Jim


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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:25 pm

DCA-ROCguy wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
According to Flight Radar 24 there is a DC-10 Scheduled to operate FX936 MEM-ROC service tomorrow, instead of the typical 767


FedEx still seems to operate DC-10's to ROC now and then. I really enjoyed seeing them on my visits home when they were being used regularly.

Jim


Got some great pictures considering I was using an iPhone
https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/sta ... 6312541184

I didn't realize how many spotters there are in the ROC community, I ran into at least 7+ maybe more who came out just to see the DC-10!
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:16 am

Driving down Scottsville road this evening from work I looked over at the terminal as I always do and noticed something that looked bigger than regional parked at the American gates. Right now I believe the biggest thing in here on AA is the E175's from CLT. I figured it was a A320 or B737 with all the WX tha'ts been happening along the coast, but when I looked on flightaware I couldn't believe it. AA89 SNN to PHL was in ROC. Is this the first time ROC has gotten an international diversion (not including Canada)?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /EINN/KROC sorry cant figure out how to post image. Maybe someone else that knows how can

I worked for Eagle at ROC for around 10 years and never remember ever seeing any airline getting and international diversion. SYR usually gets those due to their runway length. We did work a charter one year for the Wegmans LPGA when the late Danny Wegmans chartered a 757 to take the ladies who played in his tournament to the Womens Britsish Open the week after the Rochester LPGA....never forget that. Loading a 757 to the brim full of golf bags. I think I lost at least 10 lbs that day :)
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:25 am

I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but in recent days I have been driving around the Amherst/Tonawanda area and have noticed several passenger jets coming in via Runway 16. I have never seen this before, and I am 22 years old and have lived in the area for as long. In fact today I saw TWO planes heading to Runway 16. Why is this the case? I thought 16/32 was only for certain wind patterns?
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:58 am

aeroc wrote:
Driving down Scottsville road this evening from work I looked over at the terminal as I always do and noticed something that looked bigger than regional parked at the American gates. Right now I believe the biggest thing in here on AA is the E175's from CLT. I figured it was a A320 or B737 with all the WX tha'ts been happening along the coast, but when I looked on flightaware I couldn't believe it. AA89 SNN to PHL was in ROC. Is this the first time ROC has gotten an international diversion (not including Canada)?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /EINN/KROC sorry cant figure out how to post image. Maybe someone else that knows how can

I worked for Eagle at ROC for around 10 years and never remember ever seeing any airline getting and international diversion. SYR usually gets those due to their runway length. We did work a charter one year for the Wegmans LPGA when the late Danny Wegmans chartered a 757 to take the ladies who played in his tournament to the Womens Britsish Open the week after the Rochester LPGA....never forget that. Loading a 757 to the brim full of golf bags. I think I lost at least 10 lbs that day :)


You mean Bob Wegman,Danny isn't dead that I know of. I remember Wegmans chartered an AA 757 to fly employees from a new store here to ROC for training.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:36 pm

aeroc wrote:
Driving down Scottsville road this evening from work I looked over at the terminal as I always do and noticed something that looked bigger than regional parked at the American gates. Right now I believe the biggest thing in here on AA is the E175's from CLT. I figured it was a A320 or B737 with all the WX tha'ts been happening along the coast, but when I looked on flightaware I couldn't believe it. AA89 SNN to PHL was in ROC. Is this the first time ROC has gotten an international diversion (not including Canada)?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /EINN/KROC sorry cant figure out how to post image. Maybe someone else that knows how can


Wow upset I missed that one :(

In other news I see Air Georgian substituted a CRJ100 this morning on AC7282, once again I unfortunately missed that one.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:34 am

United_fan wrote:
aeroc wrote:
Driving down Scottsville road this evening from work I looked over at the terminal as I always do and noticed something that looked bigger than regional parked at the American gates. Right now I believe the biggest thing in here on AA is the E175's from CLT. I figured it was a A320 or B737 with all the WX tha'ts been happening along the coast, but when I looked on flightaware I couldn't believe it. AA89 SNN to PHL was in ROC. Is this the first time ROC has gotten an international diversion (not including Canada)?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /EINN/KROC sorry cant figure out how to post image. Maybe someone else that knows how can

I worked for Eagle at ROC for around 10 years and never remember ever seeing any airline getting and international diversion. SYR usually gets those due to their runway length. We did work a charter one year for the Wegmans LPGA when the late Danny Wegmans chartered a 757 to take the ladies who played in his tournament to the Womens Britsish Open the week after the Rochester LPGA....never forget that. Loading a 757 to the brim full of golf bags. I think I lost at least 10 lbs that day :)


You mean Bob Wegman,Danny isn't dead that I know of. I remember Wegmans chartered an AA 757 to fly employees from a new store here to ROC for training.


Whoops....sorry. Yes I meant Bob. I used to work those too. It was really neat seeing the 757 parked at B7 all day. Most of those would come from IAD when Wegmans was first opening up stores in that area. The plane would arrive into ROC around 730-800 am and leave around 6-7pm.

Got some nice photos from one of the charters if someone could let me know how to post them on here? I have them in google photos. Thanks!
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:36 am

jworks58--thank you for posting the photos!! It always makes me happy to see a DC-10 at ROC. I have pictures that I posted at Airliners.net's old hosting site, myaviation.net, before the new or last owners let it lapse. After I get home from travel, I'll see if I can post some via Flickr.

Love to see the international diversion! ROC's posted diversion plan says that anything larger than a 757 can't be parked at a gate, and would have to be parked remotely and pax bused in. That's not correct, because I've seen a charter Rich International L-1011 parked at A9 before; it was a charter to LAS. Runway length shouldn't be a factor; an inbound international jumbo has burned off most of its fuel and doesn't need to be fully fueled to hop to JFK, EWR, PHL, etc. 8,000' should be plenty for anything such a diversion should need.

aeroc--post your photos to Flickr, and click on the photo's "share arrow" at lower right, and click on the "BB Code" link to get a URL to put your post. 800 or 1024 pixels horizontal is what I usually use for sharing photos in posting somewhere. That will allow you to share the photos here.

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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:16 pm

I wanted to bring up an unfortunate experience I had while trying to spot yesterday.

After arriving a fantastic location on the perimeter of ROC, a location I have been going to this summer, a MC Sheriff Deputy arrived, I am not sure if he was just patrolling or if he was called to see what was going on. He first talked to another male located by Fence Gate 19, he then came over to me as an old AE livery E135 was turning on to the runway for takeoff, and said "Hi, I wanted to let you know your not really supposed to be by the fence around the airport" I responded by explaining that I have been going to numerous spots around the airport for well over a year and that I hadn't had an issue (what I should have also brought up was that the sheriff often pass by me on the inside of the fence and that they don't seem to care) however I didn't bring this up. He said "as I told the other gentleman it really depends on whether you get caught or not, they have cameras all around here, and it depends on which they are looking at on a given day, and I know you guys are probably just watching the planes, but if you stay much longer they may call me to come back here and ask you to leave" I left right after my encounter with him.

I was really surprised by this encounter, as I said earlier I have found ROC to be really lenient with spotters. Each time I have been at this location 10+ cars have gone in and out of the gate, I have taken special precautions to ensure I am 20'-30' from the gate to lower suspicions.

That being said I know that some airports are not huge fans of spotters. At my home airport BOS it is very well publicized that the top level of the garage is one of the best spotting locations, however that the state troopers or massport officials will ask you to leave.

I have three questions for you all:

1. What has you experience been like while spotting at ROC?
2. Do you know what ROC's policy is on spotters?
3. I have also been thinking about contacting the airport to see if they would be willing to create a policy to allow spotters or other people to observe planes taking off by the runway, I know some airports have dedicated spotting platforms, I have heard that some even create cutouts in the fence to allow for cameras to fit through. At ORD Spotters have worked with airport authorities and police to create an official group of spotters trained to prevent crime while spotting, they receive special ID's and everything http://ordairportwatch.org/index.html . Other justifications that could be used is that could bring greater community engagement and support for the airport. I am curious what you all think about this idea/ or if anyone would be interested in joining me in an effort to do this? One concern I have depends on how they would react to the idea, if they react negatively it could bring greater scrutiny to spotters at the airport this would certainly be a reason to not move forward with this idea.

Let me know what you think
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:53 pm

jworks158 wrote:
I wanted to bring up an unfortunate experience I had while trying to spot yesterday.

After arriving a fantastic location on the perimeter of ROC, a location I have been going to this summer, a MC Sheriff Deputy arrived, I am not sure if he was just patrolling or if he was called to see what was going on. He first talked to another male located by Fence Gate 19, he then came over to me as an old AE livery E135 was turning on to the runway for takeoff, and said "Hi, I wanted to let you know your not really supposed to be by the fence around the airport" I responded by explaining that I have been going to numerous spots around the airport for well over a year and that I hadn't had an issue (what I should have also brought up was that the sheriff often pass by me on the inside of the fence and that they don't seem to care) however I didn't bring this up. He said "as I told the other gentleman it really depends on whether you get caught or not, they have cameras all around here, and it depends on which they are looking at on a given day, and I know you guys are probably just watching the planes, but if you stay much longer they may call me to come back here and ask you to leave" I left right after my encounter with him.

I was really surprised by this encounter, as I said earlier I have found ROC to be really lenient with spotters. Each time I have been at this location 10+ cars have gone in and out of the gate, I have taken special precautions to ensure I am 20'-30' from the gate to lower suspicions.

That being said I know that some airports are not huge fans of spotters. At my home airport BOS it is very well publicized that the top level of the garage is one of the best spotting locations, however that the state troopers or massport officials will ask you to leave.

I have three questions for you all:

1. What has you experience been like while spotting at ROC?
2. Do you know what ROC's policy is on spotters?
3. I have also been thinking about contacting the airport to see if they would be willing to create a policy to allow spotters or other people to observe planes taking off by the runway, I know some airports have dedicated spotting platforms, I have heard that some even create cutouts in the fence to allow for cameras to fit through. At ORD Spotters have worked with airport authorities and police to create an official group of spotters trained to prevent crime while spotting, they receive special ID's and everything http://ordairportwatch.org/index.html . Other justifications that could be used is that could bring greater community engagement and support for the airport. I am curious what you all think about this idea/ or if anyone would be interested in joining me in an effort to do this? One concern I have depends on how they would react to the idea, if they react negatively it could bring greater scrutiny to spotters at the airport this would certainly be a reason to not move forward with this idea.

Let me know what you think

There's a nice observation area at SYR, between the cargo ramp and main terminal. It has a fairly close "50-yard line" view of 10-28, the primary runway there. They used to provide tower transmissions there via an FM translator, but the last time I was there, it was no longer offered.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:36 pm

SYR also has the 3 streaming webcams which allowed be to get a good look at an AC Express CRJ as it turned into the gate right in front of the middle camera the other day. You can also watch the whole main runway from the other side of airport in the main GA area on the former site of one of the original hangers which was torn down a few years ago.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:23 pm

Because of increased security over the past couple of years, many small to medium sized airports don't have specific areas for spotting especially with main runway views over a fence. Some exceptions to this in New York include; ALB, BGM, and SYR.
BUF has places for spotting around the airport but they don't have one specific area they call observation area.

In my experience, some smaller airports with only 1-4 flights a day (SLK, PBG, and ART) have lead me into the secure area to take pictures right next to the runway. But of course I didn't just show up on the spot, I had to call ahead of time, and explain that I was just taking pictures for fun, 8/10 times that will work.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:42 am

jworks158 wrote:
I wanted to bring up an unfortunate experience I had while trying to spot yesterday.

After arriving a fantastic location on the perimeter of ROC, a location I have been going to this summer, a MC Sheriff Deputy arrived, I am not sure if he was just patrolling or if he was called to see what was going on. He first talked to another male located by Fence Gate 19, he then came over to me as an old AE livery E135 was turning on to the runway for takeoff, and said "Hi, I wanted to let you know your not really supposed to be by the fence around the airport" I responded by explaining that I have been going to numerous spots around the airport for well over a year and that I hadn't had an issue (what I should have also brought up was that the sheriff often pass by me on the inside of the fence and that they don't seem to care) however I didn't bring this up. He said "as I told the other gentleman it really depends on whether you get caught or not, they have cameras all around here, and it depends on which they are looking at on a given day, and I know you guys are probably just watching the planes, but if you stay much longer they may call me to come back here and ask you to leave" I left right after my encounter with him.

I was really surprised by this encounter, as I said earlier I have found ROC to be really lenient with spotters. Each time I have been at this location 10+ cars have gone in and out of the gate, I have taken special precautions to ensure I am 20'-30' from the gate to lower suspicions.

That being said I know that some airports are not huge fans of spotters. At my home airport BOS it is very well publicized that the top level of the garage is one of the best spotting locations, however that the state troopers or massport officials will ask you to leave.

I have three questions for you all:

1. What has you experience been like while spotting at ROC?
2. Do you know what ROC's policy is on spotters?
3. I have also been thinking about contacting the airport to see if they would be willing to create a policy to allow spotters or other people to observe planes taking off by the runway, I know some airports have dedicated spotting platforms, I have heard that some even create cutouts in the fence to allow for cameras to fit through. At ORD Spotters have worked with airport authorities and police to create an official group of spotters trained to prevent crime while spotting, they receive special ID's and everything http://ordairportwatch.org/index.html . Other justifications that could be used is that could bring greater community engagement and support for the airport. I am curious what you all think about this idea/ or if anyone would be interested in joining me in an effort to do this? One concern I have depends on how they would react to the idea, if they react negatively it could bring greater scrutiny to spotters at the airport this would certainly be a reason to not move forward with this idea.

Let me know what you think


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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:39 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Because of increased security over the past couple of years, many small to medium sized airports don't have specific areas for spotting especially with main runway views over a fence. Some exceptions to this in New York include; ALB, BGM, and SYR.
BUF has places for spotting around the airport but they don't have one specific area they call observation area.

In my experience, some smaller airports with only 1-4 flights a day (SLK, PBG, and ART) have lead me into the secure area to take pictures right next to the runway. But of course I didn't just show up on the spot, I had to call ahead of time, and explain that I was just taking pictures for fun, 8/10 times that will work.

One of BUF's best viewing areas is from the Thruway, which I have seen almost cause a number of car accidents from gawkers. :lol: :o
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:01 pm

Your best bet for spotting at ROC is probably still the gravel lot/pull-off at Beahan and Paul Roads near the approach of runway 4.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:41 pm

Syracuse airport just announced via Instagram that Frontier is starting service to Ft. Myers! Great new nonstop for the Syracuse area.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:47 pm

The SYR-RSW service is 3x a week starting on 11/15
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:03 am

cosyr wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Because of increased security over the past couple of years, many small to medium sized airports don't have specific areas for spotting especially with main runway views over a fence. Some exceptions to this in New York include; ALB, BGM, and SYR.
BUF has places for spotting around the airport but they don't have one specific area they call observation area.

In my experience, some smaller airports with only 1-4 flights a day (SLK, PBG, and ART) have lead me into the secure area to take pictures right next to the runway. But of course I didn't just show up on the spot, I had to call ahead of time, and explain that I was just taking pictures for fun, 8/10 times that will work.

One of BUF's best viewing areas is from the Thruway, which I have seen almost cause a number of car accidents from gawkers. :lol: :o


If you mean the area by the business park...

About a year ago I tried planespotting for the first time ever there, and caught several nice sized planes there. Nobody was around because it was a weekend. I was very nervous for a variety of reasons, one being that it's within the line of sight of the control tower even though it's a "hidden" area.

I saw a NFTA Transit Police car come down the road and I thought they were coming after me, so I just jump back in the car and scroll through my pictures on my DSLR. He drives by, turns around and leaves. I leave shortly thereafter.

Aside from the time the 747 came around New Year's, that was my last time plane spotting.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:44 pm

From the ROC airport twitter

"On September 8, 2018, the ROC Airport will be conducting an FAA required drill to test the Airport Emergency Plan. THE DRILL WILL BE CONDUCTED RAIN OR SHINE and will require the participation of at least 100-150 volunteers. Volunteers will act as victims and or family participants looking for information on family/friends aboard the aircraft being used for the DRILL."

For more info, and the location to sign up: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/greater-ro ... rm=listing
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:45 pm

FDX has been running 2 heavies a day from MEM for the afternoon arrival (a DC-10 on 8-7). Not sure why .
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:23 pm

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FDX has been running 2 heavies a day from MEM for the afternoon arrival (a DC-10 on 8-7). Not sure why .


I saw that. They’re doing it again today with a 767. Routing is MEM-ROC-JFK. Hopefully it continues
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:03 am

krolt767 wrote:
Heard a rumor in Polish media that LOT may start transatlantic flights BNIA, would be pretty wild considering how many Polish people live across the border in Ontario.


Interesting rumor ....... LOT does have 787s.

i think we are a few years away from actually flights to Europe. Lets say BNIA hits 5 mil passenger count this year .... bigger medium size airports like cleveland barely have any international service, Pitt gives good incentives to airlines, and so on.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:28 pm

I don't know if was mentioned already but United is starting service to Plattsburgh (PBG) from Washington Dulles (IAD) at the end of this month.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:24 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
BUF has places for spotting around the airport but they don't have one specific area they call observation area.


My personal favorite is 12 Gates Brewery. Right under the final approach to 23 and departure path of 5. Having beers available is a very nice touch as well!
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2018

Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:29 am

DCA-ROCguy wrote:


aeroc--post your photos to Flickr, and click on the photo's "share arrow" at lower right, and click on the "BB Code" link to get a URL to put your post. 800 or 1024 pixels horizontal is what I usually use for sharing photos in posting somewhere. That will allow you to share the photos here.

Jim


Thanks Jim I will try that when I get a chance.

On a side note does anyone have any photos or news clips of the Concorde or other charters in ROC for the '95 Ryder Cup? I remember playing golf in Macedon and seeing it fly overhead on its approach to Rochester. I was only 14 at the time and its one of those memories I will never forget!
 
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Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:57 pm

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