aeroc wrote:

DCA-ROCguy wrote:

aeroc--post your photos to Flickr, and click on the photo's "share arrow" at lower right, and click on the "BB Code" link to get a URL to put your post. 800 or 1024 pixels horizontal is what I usually use for sharing photos in posting somewhere. That will allow you to share the photos here.

Jim

Thanks Jim I will try that when I get a chance.

On a side note does anyone have any photos or news clips of the Concorde or other charters in ROC for the '95 Ryder Cup? I remember playing golf in Macedon and seeing it fly overhead on its approach to Rochester. I was only 14 at the time and its one of those memories I will never forget!

BUFJACK10 wrote:

[/q I remember one time expressing frustration to a ticket agent in ALB, who told me "You wouldn't believe how many complaints we get every day that we don't fly to SYR." Since ROC is closer to SYR than ALB, I'm sure the same situation exists at ROC.uote]

Hopefully if WN did serve SYR the enplanements in ROC would not decrease. I know that there is some passenger bleed to BUF from ROC because of the availability of more frequent daily flight options. ROC is a nice facility and it would be a shame if WN left. Hopefully the RSW flights will be popular since they do service a relatively large area.. I know at BUF WN at times runs 2x daily and Frontier is now doing an A321 with loads at almost 90% so it seems there is some demand in the area albeit seasonally.

glideslope wrote:

BUFJACK10 wrote:

[/q I remember one time expressing frustration to a ticket agent in ALB, who told me "You wouldn't believe how many complaints we get every day that we don't fly to SYR." Since ROC is closer to SYR than ALB, I'm sure the same situation exists at ROC.uote]

Hopefully if WN did serve SYR the enplanements in ROC would not decrease. I know that there is some passenger bleed to BUF from ROC because of the availability of more frequent daily flight options. ROC is a nice facility and it would be a shame if WN left. Hopefully the RSW flights will be popular since they do service a relatively large area.. I know at BUF WN at times runs 2x daily and Frontier is now doing an A321 with loads at almost 90% so it seems there is some demand in the area albeit seasonally.

Highly unlikely now that F9 has moved into KSYR. Many are willing to make the 1 hr drive to KROC from Syracuse if they want WN. Even if B6 were to succumb to a merger I don't see WN at KBUF, KROC, KSYR and KALB.

TucsonDave wrote:

glideslope wrote:

BUFJACK10 wrote:

Highly unlikely now that F9 has moved into KSYR. Many are willing to make the 1 hr drive to KROC from Syracuse if they want WN. Even if B6 were to succumb to a merger I don't see WN at KBUF, KROC, KSYR and KALB.

For large portions of the SYR catchment area, the drive to ROC is considerably more than one hour. It would be more than an hour even from the Syracuse city limits. F9 is already showing indications of unreliability at SYR, as witnessed by the cnx of the inaugural F9 SYR-MCO flight, after it was loaded, with what appeared to a pretty full 321 yesterday. If the ROC catchment area can support WN, terrific. My contention is that SYR's catchment area could also support WN very well.

ROCDLFAN wrote:

Nice to see WN will be bringing back the Saturday RSW service for ROC this winter again that was announced today. Mainly hoping to see tomorrow that they’re bringing BWI back up to 3X daily with their schedule release.
https://13wham.com/news/local/southwest ... rs-florida

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

WN next schedule extension is 8/30, I wouldn’t be surprised to finally see SYR.

DCA-ROCguy wrote:

I'll be visiting ROC in late September and will take construction photos and report on what I see. The AA jetways you refer to may be original 1992 USAir jetways from when the terminal opened.

Good for SYR, getting PGD on Allegiant. No surprise, the Fort Myers area seems to draw in Upstate NY.

A6 and A10 I believe are new, all others are the original ones. From what I’ve heard the tentative plan is to resume replacing some of the older bridges in Q2 2019 once the terminal renovations are complete, but I’ll believe it when I actually see it.

Jim

teneriffe77 wrote:

I flew out of ROC recently and I couldn't help but notice that as far as AA goes that they need some new jetways and other improvemnts as the one for my flight to ORD made a very audible kachink-kachink sound as it was being attached to the plane and some of the others had lots of rust on them plus the AC didn't seem to be working too well as it felt very hot in the boarding areas.

rocANDtpa wrote:

teneriffe77 wrote:

I flew out of ROC recently and I couldn't help but notice that as far as AA goes that they need some new jetways and other improvemnts as the one for my flight to ORD made a very audible kachink-kachink sound as it was being attached to the plane and some of the others had lots of rust on them plus the AC didn't seem to be working too well as it felt very hot in the boarding areas.

I work part time for Envoy in ROC. The jetbridge was probably a10 and that one is terrible. A8 AA’s main gate just came back online after several months as being out of service. This forced us to use a10 which would otherwise rarely get used. We also had to use a7 for a RON which is a mainline gate and thus use a hard stand. A few jetbridges for AA def need replacing.

ROCDLFAN wrote:

rocANDtpa wrote:

teneriffe77 wrote:

I flew out of ROC recently and I couldn't help but notice that as far as AA goes that they need some new jetways and other improvemnts as the one for my flight to ORD made a very audible kachink-kachink sound as it was being attached to the plane and some of the others had lots of rust on them plus the AC didn't seem to be working too well as it felt very hot in the boarding areas.

I work part time for Envoy in ROC. The jetbridge was probably a10 and that one is terrible. A8 AA’s main gate just came back online after several months as being out of service. This forced us to use a10 which would otherwise rarely get used. We also had to use a7 for a RON which is a mainline gate and thus use a hard stand. A few jetbridges for AA def need replacing.

So that’s why A7 was being used.... I work for one of the other airlines at ROC, and every morning before I pulled in I saw the ER4 with stairs connected and it definitely always left me with a question mark.

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

https://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2018/08/29/onejet-flights-between-buffalo-and-albany-grounded.html

One jet ..... is one gone.

If BNIA / Buffalo ever gets Trans conn service ....... it needs to be better researched than OneJet and Albany route. On average 14 passengers per flight is not good.

If BNIA trans conn service fails ..... we wont see another flight like that for years and years to come.

USAirALB wrote:

I find it interesting that ALB-BUF service can't seem to work. One would think that a flight would work between NY's second largest city and its state capital.

It's nearly a 4.5 hour drive sans traffic, making day trips not feasibly possible. Train service isn't really fast and is often times slower than driving. There are frequent service on multiple carriers between the LA area and LAS, and the LA area and the SF Bay area, and the distances are roughly the same. I get that the population in these regions cannot be compared, but still.

Maybe a better comparison would be GEG-BOI which both WN and AS fly.

I wonder if back in 2000 or so when WN started service to ALB if they had ever considered ALB-BUF. Doing so back then would likely have stimulated demand and maybe flights would still be here today.

jworks158 wrote:

I wonder if they could get cape air to operate a BOS-ALB-BUF flight 2 or three times a day, with their C402s.

WeatherPilot wrote:

If it were profitable to do BUF-ALB there would have been somebody on the route already. OneJet had an average of 14 pax on every flight. Maybe if it were a more well known airline you could get one full flight everyday. The only thing that would get BUF-ALB going would probably be a regional doing a BUF-ALB-BUF or vice-versa at night before their RON.

United_fan wrote:

WeatherPilot wrote:

If it were profitable to do BUF-ALB there would have been somebody on the route already. OneJet had an average of 14 pax on every flight. Maybe if it were a more well known airline you could get one full flight everyday. The only thing that would get BUF-ALB going would probably be a regional doing a BUF-ALB-BUF or vice-versa at night before their RON.

They started out doing 2 r/t's a day,backed it down to 1. The plane ,and crew I imagine,must have sat somewhere til the afternoon return. I assumed the crews were local to BUF ?

ROCDLFAN wrote:

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

WN next schedule extension is 8/30, I wouldn’t be surprised to finally see SYR.

I mean there’s absolutely nothing to indicate that would be the case other than a few SYR flyers getting their hopes up every release. I get that, but until it actually happens this is a topic that has been beaten to death on if they will/won’t for years.

TucsonDave wrote:

ROCDLFAN wrote:

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

WN next schedule extension is 8/30, I wouldn’t be surprised to finally see SYR.

I mean there’s absolutely nothing to indicate that would be the case other than a few SYR flyers getting their hopes up every release. I get that, but until it actually happens this is a topic that has been beaten to death on if they will/won’t for years.

I do not apologize for beating the drum for WN to come to SYR, nor will I stop advocating for them to do so. I believe they would have strongly considered SYR years ago had private and public sector leaders had their collective heads out in the sunshine. The arrival of F9 and frequent expansion of G4 service, now that the airport is run by an authority, has shown the catchment area will respond to increased low cost service. This issue is anything but a dead horse, so I'm not going anywhere.

DCA-ROCguy wrote:

Profitable 19-seat aircraft are needed again. Air Canada seems to do all right with theirs. Remember Mall Airways? Small props from around the state to Albany in the 1980's. They also operated Rochester's only (as far as I know) route to YUL, I think in 1985.

Jim

Dalmd88 wrote:

DCA-ROCguy wrote:

Profitable 19-seat aircraft are needed again. Air Canada seems to do all right with theirs. Remember Mall Airways? Small props from around the state to Albany in the 1980's. They also operated Rochester's only (as far as I know) route to YUL, I think in 1985.

Jim

After Mall went under my old airline, Mohawk was doing the same thing. We connected all sorts of upstate small markets. Most people had no idea we existed, even in our home base, SYR.

Biged wrote:

Alb and Buf needs a Bac-111.

DCA-ROCguy wrote:

Profitable 19-seat aircraft are needed again. Air Canada seems to do all right with theirs. Remember Mall Airways? Small props from around the state to Albany in the 1980's. They also operated Rochester's only (as far as I know) route to YUL, I think in 1985.

Jim

WeatherPilot wrote:

If it were profitable to do BUF-ALB there would have been somebody on the route already. OneJet had an average of 14 pax on every flight. Maybe if it were a more well known airline you could get one full flight everyday. The only thing that would get BUF-ALB going would probably be a regional doing a BUF-ALB-BUF or vice-versa at night before their RON.

usflyer msp wrote:

The first time I went to MCO back in 1988, my family flew BUF-SYR-MCO on Piedmont. BUF-SYR was an (empty) 733 and PI considered SYR a hub.

BatonOps wrote:

Biged wrote:

Alb and Buf needs a Bac-111.

Or some Empire F-28's!!

DCA-ROCguy wrote:

Southwest's August 30 schedule extension is out. The reduction of BWI-ROC to two flights during January and February returns to three on Thursday, March 7.

Jim

TucsonDave wrote:

usflyer msp wrote:

The first time I went to MCO back in 1988, my family flew BUF-SYR-MCO on Piedmont. BUF-SYR was an (empty) 733 and PI considered SYR a hub.

How was the load SYR-MCO? Just asking.

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

WeatherPilot wrote:

If it were profitable to do BUF-ALB there would have been somebody on the route already. OneJet had an average of 14 pax on every flight. Maybe if it were a more well known airline you could get one full flight everyday. The only thing that would get BUF-ALB going would probably be a regional doing a BUF-ALB-BUF or vice-versa at night before their RON.

I dont think marketing was an issue ...... I just dont think the need is there or the number of business passengers that actually needed the flight each day.

OneJet clearly didnt have the research to know that BUF - ALB wouldnt be a popular route or they just assumed that a 30 min flight would "hopefully" attract more business passengers.

teneriffe77 wrote:

I went to the Syracuse Regional Airport Authority meeting at SYR today and it was held in a conference room under the security checkpoint and was open to the public (like me). One of the things they discussed was the annual report (https://www.syrairport.org/wp-content/u ... t-web2.pdf) which itself has some very good pics. They are progressing with the renovations and are on track to finish them by November. The observation area that looks over the center of the passenger ramp (an aviation history exhibit is going into the area behind it) has been retained and the conference room that I went to was next to it (during the meeting I looked out the window and saw a DL MD-90 pull in). The check in desks are now back in their proper place but there's still some work going on in that the area plus the baggage claim area. Car rental is still in the temporary area above the south check in desks. The exterior is still a mess but they are making progress.

aeroc wrote:

Dalmd88 wrote:

DCA-ROCguy wrote:

Profitable 19-seat aircraft are needed again. Air Canada seems to do all right with theirs. Remember Mall Airways? Small props from around the state to Albany in the 1980's. They also operated Rochester's only (as far as I know) route to YUL, I think in 1985.

Jim

After Mall went under my old airline, Mohawk was doing the same thing. We connected all sorts of upstate small markets. Most people had no idea we existed, even in our home base, SYR.

How awesome it must have been to see a hub at SYR. Anyone have any old photos of that? All those Bac-111's and Convair 440's tearing up the sky's around SYR....pure awesomeness!

teneriffe77 wrote:

The local ABC affiliate in Syracuse 9WSYR had a story about the terminal renovations recently: https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-new ... 1425799004 BTW just because the airport doesn't have Southwest now doesn't make it a bad airport (the airport governance is a lot better than what it used to be w/ a regional airport commission rather than just the city being in control) . I've been watching that airport for 30 years and things have gotten better and the recent additions by G4 and F9 have helped big time.

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

The Buffalo Bills have been chartering a 747 a few times this season so far ..... pretty cool to see 747 on a weekly basis.