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Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:00 pm

Hi everyone, I saw some pictures in the database of Mesa Airlines / Air Midwest Beech 1900s at DFW between 2000-2007 and it got me curious about the operations they had there. How long did this operation last? What cities were served? And was this a code-share for another carrier or a stand-alone operation? I searched on here but didn't find any information about it, so I thought I'd ask as it's just something that struck my interest.



 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 pm

Quite a bit earlier, but a September 1988 timetable shows them flying to Roswell, NM. I think at various times they also flew from DFW to Hobbs, Clovis, and Tucumcari. There was also the short lived CR2 servis between Ft. Worth Meacham and Houston (Hobby I think).
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:08 pm

It was all to NM under EAS ... sorry I don’t have the details. I think Clovis, Roswell, and Alamogordo. Before they moved HQ from FMN to PHX they were going to move to DFW.

There was another airline flying Metros out of DFW at that time (or maybe they preceded YV). Lone Star Airlines. They flew to OCH, LFK, ELD, PBF, HOT, JBR, and JLN.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:10 pm

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AAvgeek744 wrote:
Quite a bit earlier, but a September 1988 timetable shows them flying to Roswell, NM. I think at various times they also flew from DFW to Hobbs, Clovis, and Tucumcari. There was also the short lived CR2 servis between Ft. Worth Meacham and Houston (Hobby I think).


That was HOU but they also did SAT. I’m not sure about AUS. It lasted longer than you think ... 4 years IIRC? I’m probably wrong.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:23 pm

jetero wrote:
It was all to NM under EAS ... sorry I don’t have the details. I think Clovis, Roswell, and Alamogordo. Before they moved HQ from FMN to PHX they were going to move to DFW.

There was another airline flying Metros out of DFW at that time (or maybe they preceded YV). Lone Star Airlines. They flew to OCH, LFK, ELD, PBF, HOT, JBR, and JLN.


I found a video on YouTube from around 2007 I think showing a flight from ELD to DFW on one of these Beech 1900s. From the photos I've seen on here and other sites, it appears they had a pretty good operation to various places for a while. But I never was able to locate any information about it.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:24 pm

jetero wrote:
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AAvgeek744 wrote:
Quite a bit earlier, but a September 1988 timetable shows them flying to Roswell, NM. I think at various times they also flew from DFW to Hobbs, Clovis, and Tucumcari. There was also the short lived CR2 servis between Ft. Worth Meacham and Houston (Hobby I think).


That was HOU but they also did SAT. I’m not sure about AUS. It lasted longer than you think ... 4 years IIRC? I’m probably wrong.


Certainly could have been longer. I recall on a couple of occasions seeing their birds while drive on the 820 past Meacham Field.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:30 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
jetero wrote:
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AAvgeek744 wrote:
Quite a bit earlier, but a September 1988 timetable shows them flying to Roswell, NM. I think at various times they also flew from DFW to Hobbs, Clovis, and Tucumcari. There was also the short lived CR2 servis between Ft. Worth Meacham and Houston (Hobby I think).


That was HOU but they also did SAT. I’m not sure about AUS. It lasted longer than you think ... 4 years IIRC? I’m probably wrong.


Certainly could have been longer. I recall on a couple of occasions seeing their birds while drive on the 820 past Meacham Field.


It was long enough for the City of Ft Worth to build a terminal expansion with at least 1 jetbridge, but that in and of itself means only 2 years was completely possible.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:30 am

AAvgeek744 wrote:
Quite a bit earlier, but a September 1988 timetable shows them flying to Roswell, NM. I think at various times they also flew from DFW to Hobbs, Clovis, and Tucumcari. There was also the short lived CR2 servis between Ft. Worth Meacham and Houston (Hobby I think).

YV never served Tucumcari.
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:28 am

YVAMWB1900 wrote:
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YVAMWB1900 wrote:
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Hey thanks! So did Mesa code-share with anyone on these routes? If I recall correctly the ABQ flights were branded as just Mesa. Is that the same for the DFW ones?
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:51 am

TripleA wrote:
Hey thanks! So did Mesa code-share with anyone on these routes? If I recall correctly the ABQ flights were branded as just Mesa. Is that the same for the DFW ones?


I'm not sure about the Mesa routes, but the Air Midwest routes were operated under US Airways Express colors, and some of the routes out of MCI also carried a codeshare with Midwest (YX) (mainly the Kansas EAS cities).
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:22 am

I flew Air Midwest from Kansas City to Columbia, MO, between 2006 and 2008. I usually bought my ticket from US Airways. In about 2007 the codeshare deal was announced with Midwest. I often flew BOS-MCI-COU. The Air Midwest flights left from a lower level gate area in Terminal A in MCI. The cabins were nasty and dirty. The inflight magazines were usually from several months prior. The safety cards were ripped and battered. Some of the planes still had the USAir Express paint scheme 11 years after it became US Airways Express.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:24 am

I flew Air Midwest from Kansas City to Columbia, MO, between 2006 and 2008. I usually bought my ticket from US Airways. In about 2007 the codeshare deal was announced with Midwest. I often flew BOS-MCI-COU. The Air Midwest flights left from a lower level gate area in Terminal A in MCI. The cabins were nasty and dirty. The inflight magazines were usually from several months prior. The safety cards were ripped and battered. Some of the planes still had the USAir Express paint scheme 11 years after it became US Airways Express. The last Air Midwest flight was actually MCI-COU in the summer of 2008. COU got Mesaba on the Saab to MEM after which was a huge improvement.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:31 am

DFW ops were independent ZV/YV flights but had interline with AA, TZ, US, HP, and YX during its lifespan.
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:34 am

JBo wrote:
TripleA wrote:
Hey thanks! So did Mesa code-share with anyone on these routes? If I recall correctly the ABQ flights were branded as just Mesa. Is that the same for the DFW ones?


I'm not sure about the Mesa routes, but the Air Midwest routes were operated under US Airways Express colors, and some of the routes out of MCI also carried a codeshare with Midwest (YX) (mainly the Kansas EAS cities).


Ionosphere wrote:
I flew Air Midwest from Kansas City to Columbia, MO, between 2006 and 2008. I usually bought my ticket from US Airways. In about 2007 the codeshare deal was announced with Midwest. I often flew BOS-MCI-COU. The Air Midwest flights left from a lower level gate area in Terminal A in MCI. The cabins were nasty and dirty. The inflight magazines were usually from several months prior. The safety cards were ripped and battered. Some of the planes still had the USAir Express paint scheme 11 years after it became US Airways Express. The last Air Midwest flight was actually MCI-COU in the summer of 2008. COU got Mesaba on the Saab to MEM after which was a huge improvement.


Interesting. I didn't know those flights were operated for US Airways Express. I always just assumed that Mesa was too cheap to repaint the planes lol.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:40 am

usxguy wrote:
DFW ops were independent ZV/YV flights but had interline with AA, TZ, US, HP, and YX during its lifespan.


Ah I see. Thanks for the info.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

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YVAMWB1900 wrote:
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Wow, I got that one all wrong!

Those are all the old Lone Star Airlines routes.

Did they just win the EAS contract?
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:45 am

So what exactly was the difference between Air Midwest flights and Mesa flights?
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:52 am

Remember when Mesa was a commuter airline HQ in New Mexico. It was independent for a long time before code showing with America West at PHX.

Rio Airways had 1900 ops out of DFW in the 80s and 90s.

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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:59 am

TripleA wrote:
So what exactly was the difference between Air Midwest flights and Mesa flights?


The Sabre partition was YV, but flights operated by ZV- Air Midwest/Mesa Airlines branded flights were all ABQ, DFW, and MDW based flights. Everything else was put in as USX- US Sabre as US Airways Express. go! flights also used the same Sabre partition.
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:34 am

Ionosphere wrote:
I flew Air Midwest from Kansas City to Columbia, MO, between 2006 and 2008. I usually bought my ticket from US Airways. In about 2007 the codeshare deal was announced with Midwest. I often flew BOS-MCI-COU. The Air Midwest flights left from a lower level gate area in Terminal A in MCI. The cabins were nasty and dirty. The inflight magazines were usually from several months prior. The safety cards were ripped and battered. Some of the planes still had the USAir Express paint scheme 11 years after it became US Airways Express. The last Air Midwest flight was actually MCI-COU in the summer of 2008. COU got Mesaba on the Saab to MEM after which was a huge improvement.


I recall when Air Midwest was operating under their own colors, they flew from both Kansas City airports. I have a timetable, but not sure what points were served from the Downtown Airport.
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:36 am

william wrote:
Remember when Mesa was a commuter airline HQ in New Mexico. It was independent for a long time before code showing with America West at PHX.

Rio Airways had 1900 ops out of DFW in the 80s and 90s.

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I never knew Rio flew the Beech. I do recall they flew the DH7 and SWM when they were a Delta partner.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:42 am

TripleA wrote:
So what exactly was the difference between Air Midwest flights and Mesa flights?


It was similar to the way Republic used to have Republic, Chautauqua, and Shuttle America. They used different names for different operations, but they were all basically Mesa. Freedom Air flew the Delta Connection flying for Mesa. Air Midwest flew the B1900s in the Midwest.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:01 am

Sort of. Air Midwest was acquired by Mesa Air Group in 1991. It was operating as a US Airways Express carrier at Kansas City. By 2001 it had taken over all of the Beech 1900 flying that had been operated by Mesa.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:02 am

AAvgeek744 wrote:
william wrote:
Remember when Mesa was a commuter airline HQ in New Mexico. It was independent for a long time before code showing with America West at PHX.

Rio Airways had 1900 ops out of DFW in the 80s and 90s.

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I never knew Rio flew the Beech. I do recall they flew the DH7 and SWM when they were a Delta partner.

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Twin Otters too.

Back to the thread, remember when Mesa flew the 1900C too.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:20 am

william wrote:
Remember when Mesa was a commuter airline HQ in New Mexico. It was independent for a long time before code showing with America West at PHX.

Rio Airways had 1900 ops out of DFW in the 80s and 90s.

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I've always thought the Beech 1900C was a strange plane. Never flown on any Beech 1900, but from the pictures I've seen, it looks like one would practically have to crawl down the aisle in the 1900C to get to their seat since the ceiling was so low.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:25 am

MO11 wrote:
Sort of. Air Midwest was acquired by Mesa Air Group in 1991. It was operating as a US Airways Express carrier at Kansas City. By 2001 it had taken over all of the Beech 1900 flying that had been operated by Mesa.


Ok, that makes since. I knew Air Midwest was a subsidiary of Mesa, but I didn't know that all 1900 flights were considered operated by Air Midwest. Mesa seemed to have a history of having a bunch of subsidiaries at different times. I remember at one point the AWE CRJ-900s were operated by Freedom, before going back to just Mesa.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:32 pm

TripleA wrote:
william wrote:
Remember when Mesa was a commuter airline HQ in New Mexico. It was independent for a long time before code showing with America West at PHX.

Rio Airways had 1900 ops out of DFW in the 80s and 90s.

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I've always thought the Beech 1900C was a strange plane. Never flown on any Beech 1900, but from the pictures I've seen, it looks like one would practically have to crawl down the aisle in the 1900C to get to their seat since the ceiling was so low.


In the C one had to bend over to walk down the aisle, but hey its a 19 pax aircraft, one is only standing boarding and arrival.

Taking off f from a 5,000 ft runway,Pilot sets the brakes, runs up the props, release brakes and........OH!!!..........MY!!!........G'..rotate! I read somewhere that the 1900C was overpowered, I don't know about that, but man takeoffs from short runways were awesome.

I see why King Airs still sell well and why their pilots swear by them.
 
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:55 pm

william wrote:
TripleA wrote:
william wrote:
Remember when Mesa was a commuter airline HQ in New Mexico. It was independent for a long time before code showing with America West at PHX.

Rio Airways had 1900 ops out of DFW in the 80s and 90s.

Image


I've always thought the Beech 1900C was a strange plane. Never flown on any Beech 1900, but from the pictures I've seen, it looks like one would practically have to crawl down the aisle in the 1900C to get to their seat since the ceiling was so low.


In the C one had to bend over to walk down the aisle, but hey its a 19 pax aircraft, one is only standing boarding and arrival.

Taking off f from a 5,000 ft runway,Pilot sets the brakes, runs up the props, release brakes and........OH!!!..........MY!!!........G'..rotate! I read somewhere that the 1900C was overpowered, I don't know about that, but man takeoffs from short runways were awesome.

I see why King Airs still sell well and why their pilots swear by them.


The 1900C was not overpowered, by any means. As a pax carrier on short routes, it was probably reasonably below max takeoff weight, but in the guise I flew them, box hauler, it became a bit of a runway hog at max takeoff weight.
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Re: Mesa Airlines Beech 1900 DFW Ops Question

Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:35 pm

TripleA wrote:
Ok, that makes since. I knew Air Midwest was a subsidiary of Mesa, but I didn't know that all 1900 flights were considered operated by Air Midwest. Mesa seemed to have a history of having a bunch of subsidiaries at different times. I remember at one point the AWE CRJ-900s were operated by Freedom, before going back to just Mesa.


That was a scope clause issue. Mesa couldn't operate CRJ-700s (later -900s) for America West and operate CRJ 200s (or ERJ-145s) other airlines without violating the other airlines' scope clauses. That is why Freedom was created. The scope clause issue fixed itself in 2004. To keep the certificate active, Freedom briefly operated a single Beech 1900 in the America West system.

Mesa did have a bunch of "divisions": FloridaGulf, Desert Sun, Mountain West, CalPac, (even go!) were all on Mesa's certificates. Air Midwest, CCAir, Freedom and WestAir were separate.

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