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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:39 am

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Yesterday was the last PR flight BNE-DRW-MNL, with Thursday marking the start of 3x weekly A340 BNE-MNL nonstop service. This means DRW has now lost Air Asia, Malaysian and Philippines in the last year leaving only DPS, SIN and DIL remaining as international destinations.

Isn't a Chinese service to DRW imminent though? :crossfingers:

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:50 am

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From 7 Perth

Mini interview onboard with AJ
Looking at Perth to Paris, and either Berlin or Frankfurt.

https://thewest.com.au/news/qantas/pert ... b88784373z

Also picked up on a report can't remember which one that noted that forward bookings in premium/business at 90%
Which is pretty darn good.


Considering the scheduled flight time Perth-London is similar to Dallas-Sydney, if demand stays high, perhaps the flight could be upgauged to the A380. The A380 certainly has the legs
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:13 am

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a7ala wrote:
Crackshot wrote:
EK has dropped all trans-tasman A380 services. Sad to see them go - and happy I got a chance to fly it twice (once in the A340-500).


Apart from SYD-CHC

Is that going to be an A380 or a B77W?

It's been an A380 for a while now.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:23 am

Thanks David, was not aware of that.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:45 am

waoz1 wrote:
From 7 Perth

Mini interview onboard with AJ
Looking at Perth to Paris, and either Berlin or Frankfurt.

https://thewest.com.au/news/qantas/pert ... b88784373z

Also picked up on a report can't remember which one that noted that forward bookings in premium/business at 90%
Which is pretty darn good.


I’d say chances of BER would be zero and pointless with the demise of AB FRA is the better option.

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Another first...QantasLink first A320 VH-VQS has commenced WA intrastate ops. Has been doing a mix of PER-KTA(Karratha)-ZNE(Newman) sectors :)


Worth noting -VQS flying are crew training services.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:45 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
Yesterday was the last PR flight BNE-DRW-MNL, with Thursday marking the start of 3x weekly A340 BNE-MNL nonstop service. This means DRW has now lost Air Asia, Malaysian and Philippines in the last year leaving only DPS, SIN and DIL remaining as international destinations.

Isn't a Chinese service to DRW imminent though? :crossfingers:

Cheers,

C.


Donghai Airlines DZ has said they will start flights to SZX but nothing official... also they are a very small airline with limited services so not great for DRW locals (vs Air Asia, MH or PR)
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:49 am

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undertheradar wrote:
Another first...QantasLink first A320 VH-VQS has commenced WA intrastate ops. Has been doing a mix of PER-KTA(Karratha)-ZNE(Newman) sectors :)


Worth noting -VQS flying are crew training services.

EK413


Stupid me. Got excited and didn't look at the flight numbers :oops:
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:23 am

I see that EK expressed an interest to the Fijian government in flying DXB - SYD - NAN, but Fiji rejected this on protectionist grounds.

"We've had similar offers as well. Emirates wanted to do Dubai, Sydney, Nadi" ...

See:
- https://www.onepng.com/2018/03/fiji-gov ... rways.html.
- http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=438299.

I find this really interesting. Does anyone know anything more about this, like when it was requested? Is NAN even 388-ready? :lol:

It will be interesting to see whether:

1. EK would explore other fifth-freedoms ex-Australia, like for example SYD - NOU, which would tap into EK's French network
2. EK and/or QR would be willing to serve SYD - NAN or SYD - NOU, without local traffic rights - QR is all about dots on maps

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:11 am

VH-OQA has finally departed DXB as QF2, making it the last passenger service from DXB for QF

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 7143965697
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:30 am

Both MEL & BNE has seen CI services upgraded to A359 today

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... -a350-900/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:07 am

Jin Air next month is operating Seoul Incheon – Gold Coast nonstop service, where the airline scheduled 2 round-trip flights, with 777-200ER

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... pril-2018/


Hopefully will see year round (or at least seasonal services) soon!
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:03 am

Tonight's news reports that tourist operators in WA are starting to see an increase in activity as a result of PER-LHR

https://twitter.com/7NewsPerth/status/9 ... 9184270341

Also Quokka (ZNC) has just departed PER for her first trip to LHR, I'm starting to think this should be called the Quokka route, I know its a deviation from the Kangaroo Route but it just sounds appropriate
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:15 am

Short 2 minute video from the cockpit of QF9 of takeoff and landing (unfortunately no sound)

https://twitter.com/Keg767/status/978210712597143552

Looking at departure from PER I am impressed on how much runway it used
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:06 pm

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Tonight's news reports that tourist operators in WA are starting to see an increase in activity as a result of PER-LHR

https://twitter.com/7NewsPerth/status/9 ... 9184270341

Also Quokka (ZNC) has just departed PER for her first trip to LHR, I'm starting to think this should be called the Quokka route, I know its a deviation from the Kangaroo Route but it just sounds appropriate


Just needs a stylised quokka on the tail in lieu of the roo, even if was just one side of the tail.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:32 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
a7ala wrote:

Apart from SYD-CHC

Is that going to be an A380 or a B77W?

It's been an A380 for a while now.


I was under the impression it was still a 77W - shows how much research I do :oops:
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:36 pm

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Is NAN even 388-ready? :lol:


Qantas once had an A380 divert to NAN on an LAX-SYD flight because of an ill passenger, and whilst nothing in the article (http://www.traveller.com.au/qantas-a380-on-side-trip-to-paradise-76er indicates that there were any problems manoeuvring on the ground I don't know if Nadi has the facilities to accomodate regularly scheduled services (I don't think it's A380 certified as well).

planemanofnz wrote:
It will be interesting to see whether:

2. EK and/or QR would be willing to serve SYD - NAN or SYD - NOU, without local traffic rights - QR is all about dots on maps

Cheers,

C.


Without fifth-freedom rights? I can't see that happening at all.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:51 pm

qf789 wrote:
Short 2 minute video from the cockpit of QF9 of takeoff and landing (unfortunately no sound)

https://twitter.com/Keg767/status/978210712597143552

Looking at departure from PER I am impressed on how much runway it used


I read somewhere it was only 500kg short of MTOW...
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:02 pm

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Does anyone know if the weekly QF18 LAX-SYD has been terminated? I can no longer find it on qantas.com


It only operated during Dec/Jan during peak period

I used to see it available every tuesday this upcoming august, but it is no longer there. It was my understanding they operated it every tuesday to swap out the bne 747.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:33 pm

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Tonight's news reports that tourist operators in WA are starting to see an increase in activity as a result of PER-LHR

https://twitter.com/7NewsPerth/status/9 ... 9184270341

Also Quokka (ZNC) has just departed PER for her first trip to LHR, I'm starting to think this should be called the Quokka route, I know its a deviation from the Kangaroo Route but it just sounds appropriate



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Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:42 pm

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qf789 wrote:
HM7 wrote:
Does anyone know if the weekly QF18 LAX-SYD has been terminated? I can no longer find it on qantas.com


It only operated during Dec/Jan during peak period

I used to see it available every tuesday this upcoming august, but it is no longer there. It was my understanding they operated it every tuesday to swap out the bne 747.


QF11/12 ex SYD is usually a 744 on Tuesdays to cover A380 maintenance, and it does allow them to swap the BNE 744 without needing a positioning flight.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:05 am

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qf789 wrote:
Tonight's news reports that tourist operators in WA are starting to see an increase in activity as a result of PER-LHR

https://twitter.com/7NewsPerth/status/9 ... 9184270341

Also Quokka (ZNC) has just departed PER for her first trip to LHR, I'm starting to think this should be called the Quokka route, I know its a deviation from the Kangaroo Route but it just sounds appropriate



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Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:31 am

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qf789 wrote:

It only operated during Dec/Jan during peak period

I used to see it available every tuesday this upcoming august, but it is no longer there. It was my understanding they operated it every tuesday to swap out the bne 747.


QF11/12 ex SYD is usually a 744 on Tuesdays to cover A380 maintenance, and it does allow them to swap the BNE 744 without needing a positioning flight.

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Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:09 am

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With QF putting the 380 onto QF35 daily, I thought the plan was to drop QF37, but I see it is still running, what did I read wrong ?

An767


No QF35 was to be upgraded to a daily A388, and 3 weekly QF37 (A330) was increased to daily
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:13 am

With QF putting the 380 onto QF35 daily, I thought the plan was to drop QF37, but I see it is still running, what did I read wrong ?

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Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:21 am

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With QF putting the 380 onto QF35 daily, I thought the plan was to drop QF37, but I see it is still running, what did I read wrong ?

An767


No QF35 was to be upgraded to a daily A388, and 3 weekly QF37 (A330) was increased to daily


Ah okay thanks, that makes it better for connections to QF1 then. I thought Melb was going to have the horrible connection as us who catch QF51.


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Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:22 am

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With QF putting the 380 onto QF35 daily, I thought the plan was to drop QF37, but I see it is still running, what did I read wrong ?

An767


Nope, QF has actually added more capacity to the MEL-SIN market, it is now x1 daily A380 and x1 daily A330 flight. However JQ at the same time has reduced the route to x2 weekly.
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:17 am

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An767 wrote:
With QF putting the 380 onto QF35 daily, I thought the plan was to drop QF37, but I see it is still running, what did I read wrong ?

An767


Nope, QF has actually added more capacity to the MEL-SIN market, it is now x1 daily A380 and x1 daily A330 flight. However JQ at the same time has reduced the route to x2 weekly.

Including one that actually night-stopped in SIN (on Wed) and only returns on Thursday evening. I always find that strange but I think this may be due to maintenance.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:51 am

qf789 wrote:
VH-OQA has finally departed DXB as QF2, making it the last passenger service from DXB for QF

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 7143965697


Only to night stop today’s QF0007. :roll:

qf789 wrote:
Short 2 minute video from the cockpit of QF9 of takeoff and landing (unfortunately no sound)

https://twitter.com/Keg767/status/978210712597143552

Looking at departure from PER I am impressed on how much runway it used


Such a cool video watching it from F/O perspective. ;)

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redroo wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Tonight's news reports that tourist operators in WA are starting to see an increase in activity as a result of PER-LHR

https://twitter.com/7NewsPerth/status/9 ... 9184270341

Also Quokka (ZNC) has just departed PER for her first trip to LHR, I'm starting to think this should be called the Quokka route, I know its a deviation from the Kangaroo Route but it just sounds appropriate



The quokka route. Love it.


Spread the word. Get it 'trending' #Quokkaroute :)


I love it! The Quokka Route sounds good to me!

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An767 wrote:
With QF putting the 380 onto QF35 daily, I thought the plan was to drop QF37, but I see it is still running, what did I read wrong ?

An767


Nope, QF has actually added more capacity to the MEL-SIN market, it is now x1 daily A380 and x1 daily A330 flight. However JQ at the same time has reduced the route to x2 weekly.

Including one that actually night-stopped in SIN (on Wed) and only returns on Thursday evening. I always find that strange but I think this may be due to maintenance.

Michael


Mechanical night stop from what I’ve heard.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:31 pm

Some interesting (if maybe wildly unrealistic) ideas being raised by AJ for using cargo space on ULH flights to provide additional passenger amenities - https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-mulls-n ... ource=hero

Given the mantra around flexibility I'm guessing that they are picturing a plug-and-play style module that could be loaded and unloaded as quickly as a regular cargo container rather than something fixed. Would be interesting if (big if) they pull it off - I could see a market for people willing to pay J prices for a Y or Y+ seat plus 8-10 undisturbed hours in a proper bed downstairs. I can't see people going for a gym session mid-flight without there being a shower available.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:51 pm

qf002 wrote:
Some interesting (if maybe wildly unrealistic) ideas being raised by AJ for using cargo space on ULH flights to provide additional passenger amenities - https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-mulls-n ... ource=hero

Given the mantra around flexibility I'm guessing that they are picturing a plug-and-play style module that could be loaded and unloaded as quickly as a regular cargo container rather than something fixed. Would be interesting if (big if) they pull it off - I could see a market for people willing to pay J prices for a Y or Y+ seat plus 8-10 undisturbed hours in a proper bed downstairs. I can't see people going for a gym session mid-flight without there being a shower available.


I love the idea of a proper sleeping module but gyms really? I highly doubt it.
The modules are realistic considering QF had modules on their B743 fleet when they operated SYD-BOM-SYD was fitted in the fwd cargo hold.
QF are certainly thinking outside the box.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:56 pm

New BNE-USA route depends on QF/AA getting approved:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -haul-push
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:05 pm

Meantime Australia-AKL-ORD available 3x weekly on NZ from November.
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:27 pm

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Some interesting (if maybe wildly unrealistic) ideas being raised by AJ for using cargo space on ULH flights to provide additional passenger amenities - https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-mulls-n ... ource=hero

Given the mantra around flexibility I'm guessing that they are picturing a plug-and-play style module that could be loaded and unloaded as quickly as a regular cargo container rather than something fixed. Would be interesting if (big if) they pull it off - I could see a market for people willing to pay J prices for a Y or Y+ seat plus 8-10 undisturbed hours in a proper bed downstairs. I can't see people going for a gym session mid-flight without there being a shower available.


It’s an interesting concept but I think practicalities will come into play.

There isn’t enough time to load the containers in and make the necessary changes in Perth due to the short layover. So it would need to be done in Melbourne or LAX. That means you’re going to lose cargo space on the flights you can actually lift cargo. There is enough cargo flying back and forward to Perth that A330s make quiet pax free night time trips (don’t know if they still do).

Then how do you get pax in and out of these facilities without injuring themselves. The a380 stairs are steep. The LH 346 toilets are more substantial and fixed.

And then there is the extra weight...

Might just be easier to permanently block off the B and J seats to give more room for sleeping on the LHR flights :-)
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:22 am

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Meantime Australia-AKL-ORD available 3x weekly on NZ from November.


Australians already have plenty of one-stop options to ORD on a daily basis through LAX, SFO, IAH and DFW. NZ's participation doesn't really advance the availability too much except that it would all be on NZ (could also be VA) metal but that may mean no J class for the AU-AKL sector on a NZ A320.
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:29 am

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Australians already have plenty of one-stop options to ORD on a daily basis through LAX, SFO, IAH and DFW.

Don't forget YVR too, which like AKL will, offers a same-terminal international-international transit offering (unlike any of the cities mentioned above).

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Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:06 am

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Might just be easier to permanently block off the B and J seats to give more room for sleeping on the LHR flights :-)


Isn’t this available OR was available on NZ & are dropping it all together?

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Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:07 am

tullamarine wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
Meantime Australia-AKL-ORD available 3x weekly on NZ from November.


Australians already have plenty of one-stop options to ORD on a daily basis through LAX, SFO, IAH and DFW. NZ's participation doesn't really advance the availability too much except that it would all be on NZ (could also be VA) metal but that may mean no J class for the AU-AKL sector on a NZ A320.

For places like MCY, ADL and PER which doesn't have a non-stop flight this could be attractive though, two-stops to one-stop. And I guess the ORD schedule will be timed to connect to/from as many Trans-Tasman widebody flights as possible.

Anyway, given NZ's reputation down here this can certainly be attractive to quite a few travellers.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:25 am

I do lol at those who praise ANZ Business seats. Out of date inboard facing (All 'window' seats require a neck strain to look out of a window) herringbone, 12inch AVOD screens...YES 12INCH IN BUSINESS CLASS. Limited/no storage areas around the seats. And OVERALL narrower seat/'bed'. It seems size/space doesn't apply to ANZ but those SAME requirements apply to Qantas. Oh well. each to their own :)
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:34 am

tullamarine wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
Meantime Australia-AKL-ORD available 3x weekly on NZ from November.


Australians already have plenty of one-stop options to ORD on a daily basis through LAX, SFO, IAH and DFW. NZ's participation doesn't really advance the availability too much except that it would all be on NZ (could also be VA) metal but that may mean no J class for the AU-AKL sector on a NZ A320.

Yes they have lots of one-stop options but the advantage of making AKL that stop is plain - an international to international connection is vastly preferable to a domestic to international connection. I was vividly reminded of this just yesterday when I did an international to domestic connection at MEL en route from AKL to HBA. Thirty minutes waiting for our bags the first time; then thirty minutes in the queue for the bag drop at domestic. Why is that so hard - it's a bag drop FFS! Try it at AKL domestic: you walk up to a conveyor and you drop your bag (which you've already tagged at the checkin machine). Takes 30 seconds, not 30 minutes.

And then having to collect bags a second time. Plus a second lot of security. At least we didn't have to cross the airport by bus as well, like at SYD. To me it's a no-brainer, and if QF does go ahead with BNE-ORD I predict NZ will be a formidable competitor.

BTW most of the transtasman flights connecting to US flights at AKL are WB and do offer J class - at least from SYD, MEL, BNE, ADL and PER.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:59 am

While NZ do pull people away from QF, it has more to do with price than convenience of connecting through AKL. If AKL-ORD was daily, I would say NZ would be more of a formidable player.

The HBA analogy isn't a good one, because anyone flying MEL-AKL-DUD would have the same issues.
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:08 am

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The HBA analogy isn't a good one, because anyone flying MEL-AKL-DUD would have the same issues.

Two points:
(1) my AKL-MEL-HBA experience is exactly the same as that experienced by someone flying USA-MEL-ADL. If QF do fly ORD-BNE, and I want to connect to (say) SYD then I can avoid the hassles of picking up baggage twice and transferring terminals by travelling ORD-AKL-SYD.

(2) Although NZ is offering 3x weekly initially it will likely be 5x weekly in 12 months and daily in 24 months based on their usual practice - and growth in the overall NZ-USA market would historically support that. Their IAH flights went from 5x weekly in the first summer to daily in the second; their plan to operate 3x weekly in the first winter was scrapped and they continued right through winter at 5x weekly.

I assume QF’s plan to operate BNE-ORD is because of range; that gives NZ a significant advantage in the SYD and MEL markets.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:12 am

DavidByrne wrote:
I assume QF’s plan to operate BNE-ORD is because of range; that gives NZ a significant advantage in the SYD and MEL markets.

Sure, NZ might get some discounted transfer traffic, but I doubt AKL's same-terminal transit offering would be a "significant" enough advantage to sway QF's huge FFP bases in SYD and MEL, which is who the yield would lie with.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:24 am

tullamarine wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
Meantime Australia-AKL-ORD available 3x weekly on NZ from November.


Australians already have plenty of one-stop options to ORD on a daily basis through LAX, SFO, IAH and DFW. NZ's participation doesn't really advance the availability too much except that it would all be on NZ (could also be VA) metal but that may mean no J class for the AU-AKL sector on a NZ A320.


PER,ADL,MEL,SYD,BNE all have 787/777 services that connect with the North American flights ex-AKL, just OOL & MCY only get A320s ex-AKL. The A320s are more used outside of the AKL market on the Tasman / off-peak ex-AKL.

MEL-AKL-IAH is more appealing than MEL-LAX-ORD - the more American airports avoided is an bonus.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:29 am

planemanofnz wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
I assume QF’s plan to operate BNE-ORD is because of range; that gives NZ a significant advantage in the SYD and MEL markets.

Sure, NZ might get some discounted transfer traffic, but I doubt AKL's same-terminal transit offering would be a "significant" enough advantage to sway QF's huge FFP bases in SYD and MEL, which is who the yield would lie with

Depends on your definition of “significant”, and that’s not something I’m prepared to debate. Let’s leave it there.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:23 am

New Perth Airport rail link which tunnels under the main runway between international and domestic terminals having some “subsidence” issues

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/sec ... b88789685z

Not surprised it was all marsh when i was a kid
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:24 am

planemanofnz wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
I assume QF’s plan to operate BNE-ORD is because of range; that gives NZ a significant advantage in the SYD and MEL markets.

Sure, NZ might get some discounted transfer traffic, but I doubt AKL's same-terminal transit offering would be a "significant" enough advantage to sway QF's huge FFP bases in SYD and MEL, which is who the yield would lie with.

Cheers,

C.

...particularly as Velocity members are no longer recognised on NZ's US services; these pax would either use VA/DL via LAX or use the Qantas card they also probably have in their wallet.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:35 am

Another set of strong domestic data out today, with total traffic up 2.1% for January Vs 2017.

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_2018.pdf

Largest driver is the MEL-SYD mega route, up 4.7% YOY with a load factor of 87.5% - its highest EVER
Other strong routes inc:
Gold Coast - Melbourne +4.6%
Sunshine Coast - Sydney +14.7%
Melbourne - Sunshine Coast +19.0%
Ballina - Sydney +24.6%
Brisbane - Proserpine +23.3%
Broome - Perth +30.9%
Brisbane - Hobart +23.0%

Airports for Jan 18 vs Jan 18

Sydney +1.7%
Melbourne +2.4%
Brisbane -0.1%
Perth +0.6%
Adelaide +2.9%
Overall load factors hit 79.4% a 7 year high.


The pick up in the domestic market in the last 6 months or so has been significant, for years up until around September last year growth had been continuously growing at around 1%, largely thanks to the mining downturn, since then we have seen consecutive months of 2%+ growth. Great News for QF and VA, especially that latter which I am growing confident will post its first full year profit in years this year.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:08 am

DavidByrne wrote:
getluv wrote:
The HBA analogy isn't a good one, because anyone flying MEL-AKL-DUD would have the same issues.

Two points:
(1) my AKL-MEL-HBA experience is exactly the same as that experienced by someone flying USA-MEL-ADL. If QF do fly ORD-BNE, and I want to connect to (say) SYD then I can avoid the hassles of picking up baggage twice and transferring terminals by travelling ORD-AKL-SYD.

(2) Although NZ is offering 3x weekly initially it will likely be 5x weekly in 12 months and daily in 24 months based on their usual practice - and growth in the overall NZ-USA market would historically support that. Their IAH flights went from 5x weekly in the first summer to daily in the second; their plan to operate 3x weekly in the first winter was scrapped and they continued right through winter at 5x weekly.

I assume QF’s plan to operate BNE-ORD is because of range; that gives NZ a significant advantage in the SYD and MEL markets.


(1) By that analogy anyone flying HKG-WLG is better off flying via SYD, MEL or BNE. While I assume QF pick some transit traffic to NZ, I doubt they are reliant on it which is something NZ is heavily reliant upon.

(2) To steal business traffic away from QF they need to operate daily. Otherwise it will be a two stop proposition on most days.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:15 am

Well this only took 5 days, QF9 PER-LHR is delayed by 40 minutes tonight
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2018

Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:26 am

log0008 wrote:
Another set of strong domestic data out today, with total traffic up 2.1% for January Vs 2017.

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_2018.pdf

Largest driver is the MEL-SYD mega route, up 4.7% YOY with a load factor of 87.5% - its highest EVER
Other strong routes inc:
Gold Coast - Melbourne +4.6%
Sunshine Coast - Sydney +14.7%
Melbourne - Sunshine Coast +19.0%
Ballina - Sydney +24.6%
Brisbane - Proserpine +23.3%
Broome - Perth +30.9%
Brisbane - Hobart +23.0%

Airports for Jan 18 vs Jan 18

Sydney +1.7%
Melbourne +2.4%
Brisbane -0.1%
Perth +0.6%
Adelaide +2.9%
Overall load factors hit 79.4% a 7 year high.


The pick up in the domestic market in the last 6 months or so has been significant, for years up until around September last year growth had been continuously growing at around 1%, largely thanks to the mining downturn, since then we have seen consecutive months of 2%+ growth. Great News for QF and VA, especially that latter which I am growing confident will post its first full year profit in years this year.



I hope QF send the Canberra Airport CEO a copy of this. The LFs out of Canberra are pretty crap.
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