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Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:28 pm

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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:50 pm

Interesting, it makes me wonder what else SY is thinking of adding out of MCO or TPA. I can personally see them really expanding out of RSW.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:53 pm

New competition for AS on the route, I suppose. Very G4-esk in my opinion.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:56 pm

It still feels weird to me to see SY adding routes from anywhere other than MSP and maybe DFW. This is a particularly different route for them as it's basically a transcon.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:00 pm

This seems to be a new strategy. I'm guessing this is an indication of things we might expect in the future if they survive.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:00 pm

FSDan wrote:
It still feels weird to me to see SY adding routes from anywhere other than MSP and maybe DFW. This is a particularly different route for them as it's basically a transcon.


With SY's new business model, that flight is going to be rough.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:01 pm

flymco753 wrote:
Interesting, it makes me wonder what else SY is thinking of adding out of MCO or TPA. I can personally see them really expanding out of RSW.

The new Head of Route Planning at SY as of Feb 2018 just left AS as Director of Network Planning. Coupled with the previous announcement of West Coast-Hawaii, I would expect this has little to do with MCO and a lot to do with the Alaska network. Either he was hired to focus on routes he has experience with at Alaska, or he will just naturally do it because he's much more familiar with results in the Alaska network than in something like ABE-MCO. Either way, I would expect to see most of the SY network adds focusing on the West.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:28 pm

Only 2 months? Hardly seems worth it. I doubt it'll be back. I'd rather see year-round MSP
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:34 pm

I don't understand why they are intentionally picking fight with as. Weird strategy
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:46 pm

Finally something new out of Portland in 2018!! I'm was getting a little worried that we were on a continuous downward trend...
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:48 pm

Maybe their first strategy is to put planes to use. less RON, etc, so PDX-MCO would do that if its a red eye.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:55 pm

spinkid wrote:
Maybe their first strategy is to put planes to use. less RON, etc, so PDX-MCO would do that if its a red eye.

It's not a red eye. Departs from PDX at 10:30 AM, and the return flight departs MCO at 7:55 PM.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:03 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
It still feels weird to me to see SY adding routes from anywhere other than MSP and maybe DFW. This is a particularly different route for them as it's basically a transcon.


With SY's new business model, that flight is going to be rough.


My experience with their new seating arrangement in a 737-800. Never make that trip.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:04 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
It still feels weird to me to see SY adding routes from anywhere other than MSP and maybe DFW. This is a particularly different route for them as it's basically a transcon.


With SY's new business model, that flight is going to be rough.


My experience with their new seating arrangement in a 737-800. Never make that trip.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:15 pm

FA9295 wrote:
spinkid wrote:
Maybe their first strategy is to put planes to use. less RON, etc, so PDX-MCO would do that if its a red eye.

It's not a red eye. Departs from PDX at 10:30 AM, and the return flight departs MCO at 7:55 PM.

Seems like a pretty inefficient use of a/c time, especially involving transcons -- it will arrive PDX late at night, RON and then spend half the morning in Oregon...

Unless of course there will more to come and this may not be 'the' ultimate turn.

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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:19 pm

I'll say it first.....AS-SY merger....well, buyout.

Would give AS more of a foothold in the middle of the country...sort of.

Added benefit....., payback...LOL :lol: ....DL invades AS territory...now AS invades DL's.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:20 pm

SANFan wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
spinkid wrote:
Maybe their first strategy is to put planes to use. less RON, etc, so PDX-MCO would do that if its a red eye.

It's not a red eye. Departs from PDX at 10:30 AM, and the return flight departs MCO at 7:55 PM.

Seems like a pretty inefficient use of a/c time, especially involving transcons -- it will arrive PDX late at night, RON and then spend half the morning in Oregon...

Unless of course there will more to come and this may not be 'the' ultimate turn.

bb


Except this implies that the same crew will do the turn, rather than an 30-hour layover.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:20 pm

Just being purely speculative here (but hey, that's why we're here!) but could they be attempting to "poke the bear" with AS enough to where they are thinking AS would just scoop in and buy them to make them go away? It'd be an easy way for AS to pick up some 737's and a midwest hub/focus city in MSP. AS isn't really in a position to take on another acquisition right now but I don't think SY would be near the effort of the Virgin merger.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:27 pm

enilria wrote:
The new Head of Route Planning at SY as of Feb 2018 just left AS as Director of Network Planning. Coupled with the previous announcement of West Coast-Hawaii, I would expect this has little to do with MCO and a lot to do with the Alaska network. Either he was hired to focus on routes he has experience with at Alaska, or he will just naturally do it because he's much more familiar with results in the Alaska network than in something like ABE-MCO.


Is that John Kirby who moved over to SY? (If so, that will make ~7 airlines under his belt...) Or perhaps it was someone under him who moved.

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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:29 pm

Odd route choice, and doubtful it's meant to poke AS in the eye or get their attention. If they wanted to get bought out, they'd be better off poking G4 in the eye and hoping they don't mind a temporary 737 fleet. Even then, I don't see it happening.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:30 pm

AS hasn’t even finished their merger with VX. They haven’t even begun to optimize their network with the merger. SY doesn’t offer AS anything but a few more Boeing 737s. Their focus is West Coast, not a “eastern” hub.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:33 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
AS hasn’t even finished their merger with VX. They haven’t even begun to optimize their network with the merger. SY doesn’t offer AS anything but a few more Boeing 737s. Their focus is West Coast, not a “eastern” hub.


You forgot one other thing it'd get Alaska: A swift kick in the a$$ by DL in MSP.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:33 pm

Look, an AS/SY merger isn't going to happen anytime soon. This is getting to be a bit off-topic.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:00 pm

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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:02 pm

Jude Bricker from Allegiant is the new CEO at SY and turned them into an ULCC.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:21 pm

This is only 2 months this summer, 3 x weekly. AS isn't going to sweat over this very much. AS will likely match the price for a few limited seats. Both destinations are at peak demand during the summer season, SY & AS will likely both enjoy high LF's, but in the end AS dominates here & will continue to do so. Nice & random add.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:29 pm

I have heard that SY has a surprise coming at ANC very soon
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:11 am

Surprised such a long route is chosen here. I'm also of the belief that there will be more routes coming from this. Having the plane sit for hours at PDX is a waste of resources that SY can't afford. PDX-ANC maybe? Move PDX-MSP to a redeye? We'll see.
 
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Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:26 am

loisencroach wrote:
I have heard that SY has a surprise coming at ANC very soon


It'll have to be soon if they want to hit the peak summer travel season.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:27 am

MSPNWA wrote:
Surprised such a long route is chosen here. I'm also of the belief that there will be more routes coming from this. Having the plane sit for hours at PDX is a waste of resources that SY can't afford. PDX-ANC maybe? Move PDX-MSP to a redeye? We'll see.


A PDX-ANC-PDX redeye would work with that schedule I believe.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:32 am

enilria wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Interesting, it makes me wonder what else SY is thinking of adding out of MCO or TPA. I can personal\y see them really expanding out of RSW.

The new Head of Route Planning at SY as of Feb 2018 just left AS as Director of Network Planning. Coupled with the previous announcement of West Coast-Hawaii, I would expect this has little to do with MCO and a lot to do with the Alaska network. Either he was hired to focus on routes he has experience with at Alaska, or he will just naturally do it because he's much more familiar with results in the Alaska network than in something like ABE-MCO. Either way, I would expect to see most of the SY network adds focusing on the West.


Interesting hire, thanks; didn't know that. As a director of planning at AS, this person would have skilled knowledge in the art of surviving Delta. Can SY perform the same maneuvers as AS? No, but that knowledge base would be helpful.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:37 am

SANFan wrote:
enilria wrote:
The new Head of Route Planning at SY as of Feb 2018 just left AS as Director of Network Planning. Coupled with the previous announcement of West Coast-Hawaii, I would expect this has little to do with MCO and a lot to do with the Alaska network. Either he was hired to focus on routes he has experience with at Alaska, or he will just naturally do it because he's much more familiar with results in the Alaska network than in something like ABE-MCO.


Is that John Kirby who moved over to SY? (If so, that will make ~7 airlines under his belt...) Or perhaps it was someone under him who moved.

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Kirby is still at Alaska. The person now at SY was at Alaska for a few year and started at SY only in February and oversees planning, rm, and charters.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:45 am

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SANFan wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
It's not a red eye. Departs from PDX at 10:30 AM, and the return flight departs MCO at 7:55 PM.

Seems like a pretty inefficient use of a/c time, especially involving transcons -- it will arrive PDX late at night, RON and then spend half the morning in Oregon...

Unless of course there will more to come and this may not be 'the' ultimate turn.

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Except this implies that the same crew will do the turn, rather than an 30-hour layover.


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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:55 am

flyoregon wrote:
SANFan wrote:
enilria wrote:
The new Head of Route Planning at SY as of Feb 2018 just left AS as Director of Network Planning. Coupled with the previous announcement of West Coast-Hawaii, I would expect this has little to do with MCO and a lot to do with the Alaska network. Either he was hired to focus on routes he has experience with at Alaska, or he will just naturally do it because he's much more familiar with results in the Alaska network than in something like ABE-MCO.


Is that John Kirby who moved over to SY? (If so, that will make ~7 airlines under his belt...) Or perhaps it was someone under him who moved.

bb


Kirby is still at Alaska. The person now at SY was at Alaska for a few year and started at SY only in February and oversees planning, rm, and charters.


Correct, it was Ben Brookman who left AS for SY. Prior to AS, he was with US for several years in RM.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:20 pm

roadpilot wrote:
MO11 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
Seems like a pretty inefficient use of a/c time, especially involving transcons -- it will arrive PDX late at night, RON and then spend half the morning in Oregon...

Unless of course there will more to come and this may not be 'the' ultimate turn.

bb


Except this implies that the same crew will do the turn, rather than an 30-hour layover.


The F/As can turn, the pilots cannot

It looks like SY is adding a second nonstop flight from MSP to PDX, from 7:55 AM to 9:35 AM. The return flight will leave PDX at 11:55 PM and arrive at MSP at 5:00 AM.

Since the flight from PDX to MCO departs at 10:30 AM and returns from MCO to PDX at 10:35 PM, it looks like the aircarft will do MSP-PDX-MCO-PDX-MSP routing, so the aircraft isn't going to be on the ground all night long...
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:57 pm

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You forgot one other thing it'd get Alaska: A swift kick in the a$$ by DL in MSP.


Not really. AS would probably gut the hub instantly and redeploy the fleet across the existing network. Heck, they could even use the relatively-newer 737-800s to replace some of the VX fleet.
 
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Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:08 pm

DarthLobster wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
You forgot one other thing it'd get Alaska: A swift kick in the a$$ by DL in MSP.


Not really. AS would probably gut the hub instantly and redeploy the fleet across the existing network. Heck, they could even use the relatively-newer 737-800s to replace some of the VX fleet.


I can't imagine why they'd bother buying them then. The VX fleet is largely leased anyhow so they've got time to work that all out without buying out another airline.
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:08 am

This is way out from left field and highly unlikely, but what if SY set-up a seasonal focus city out of PDX as a connecting point to Hawaii or Alaska? At 26 airplanes, it wouldn't be a massive operation by any means, but sort of like what they do out of DFW.
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:08 am

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This is way out from left field and highly unlikely, but what if SY set-up a seasonal focus city out of PDX as a connecting point to Hawaii or Alaska? At 26 airplanes, it wouldn't be a massive operation by any means, but sort of like what they do out of DFW.


With all respect, they announced a 3x a week flight for two months during the summer, it hardly appears to be the beginning of anything big at PDX. You never know though - anything can happen in this industry.
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:11 am

FA9295 wrote:
roadpilot wrote:
MO11 wrote:

Except this implies that the same crew will do the turn, rather than an 30-hour layover.


The F/As can turn, the pilots cannot

It looks like SY is adding a second nonstop flight from MSP to PDX, from 7:55 AM to 9:35 AM. The return flight will leave PDX at 11:55 PM and arrive at MSP at 5:00 AM.

Since the flight from PDX to MCO departs at 10:30 AM and returns from MCO to PDX at 10:35 PM, it looks like the aircarft will do MSP-PDX-MCO-PDX-MSP routing, so the aircraft isn't going to be on the ground all night long...


They're also adding an additional flight MSP-PDX Fridays only at 315P starting on 06JUL-17AUG on a 73G.
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:19 am

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I don't understand why they are intentionally picking fight with as. Weird strategy


I'll be surprised if these routes last 6 months. SY is simply too small to be competitive on scheduled routes outside MSP and DFW. They should stick to what they do well.
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:50 am

AAvgeek744 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I don't understand why they are intentionally picking fight with as. Weird strategy


I'll be surprised if these routes last 6 months. SY is simply too small to be competitive on scheduled routes outside MSP and DFW. They should stick to what they do well.


It's a three month seasonal service in the summer to one of the top destinations in the U.S. for summer t travel.

But why read the article, or anything.
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:31 am

flyoregon wrote:
This is way out from left field and highly unlikely, but what if SY set-up a seasonal focus city out of PDX as a connecting point to Hawaii or Alaska? At 26 airplanes, it wouldn't be a massive operation by any means, but sort of like what they do out of DFW.

I think that's a great idea. Of course it'll never happen as long as Alaska's presence stays solid there...
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:35 am

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flyoregon wrote:
This is way out from left field and highly unlikely, but what if SY set-up a seasonal focus city out of PDX as a connecting point to Hawaii or Alaska? At 26 airplanes, it wouldn't be a massive operation by any means, but sort of like what they do out of DFW.


With all respect, they announced a 3x a week flight for two months during the summer, it hardly appears to be the beginning of anything big at PDX. You never know though - anything can happen in this industry.

Oh hell, this industry is so unpredictable these days... Norwegian (yes, you read that right) is planning on starting a route from Buenos Aires to Perth, and will then go on from Perth to Singapore... viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1387479
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:04 pm

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flyoregon wrote:
This is way out from left field and highly unlikely, but what if SY set-up a seasonal focus city out of PDX as a connecting point to Hawaii or Alaska? At 26 airplanes, it wouldn't be a massive operation by any means, but sort of like what they do out of DFW.


With all respect, they announced a 3x a week flight for two months during the summer, it hardly appears to be the beginning of anything big at PDX. You never know though - anything can happen in this industry.


Completely agree. The MCO announcement is hardly a sign of things to come. I was just speaking hypothetically hence the first line in the sentence
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:32 pm

flyoregon wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
This is way out from left field and highly unlikely, but what if SY set-up a seasonal focus city out of PDX as a connecting point to Hawaii or Alaska? At 26 airplanes, it wouldn't be a massive operation by any means, but sort of like what they do out of DFW.


With all respect, they announced a 3x a week flight for two months during the summer, it hardly appears to be the beginning of anything big at PDX. You never know though - anything can happen in this industry.


Completely agree. The MCO announcement is hardly a sign of things to come. I was just speaking hypothetically hence the first line in the sentence


ah, gotcha. I read it all, and somehow it didn't compute. I think it's going to be interesting to see what Sun Country ends up doing to their network as they change their business model. It is interesting to me that they chose to fly from PDX to MCO as one of their first "non MSP" types of flights.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:47 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
I have heard that SY has a surprise coming at ANC very soon


It'll have to be soon if they want to hit the peak summer travel season.


They are selling SEA-ANC on 31AUG only....really weird. No ANC-SEA in booking engine yet.
 
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Re: Sun Country adds PDX-MCO

Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:17 pm

loisencroach wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
I have heard that SY has a surprise coming at ANC very soon


It'll have to be soon if they want to hit the peak summer travel season.


They are selling SEA-ANC on 31AUG only....really weird. No ANC-SEA in booking engine yet.

On google flights, it's only listed on August 31st, however, booking through Sun Country's website has the route starting on June 7th.

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