Nor’easter with High Winds Impacting the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast March 2nd and 3rd

CapitalAvGeek · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:41 am

Forecasts for airports in Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York and Boston all have sustained winds in the mid 30s with gusts up to 60mph tomorrow the 2nd. United, Delta, American, JetBlue and Southwest are waiving change fees for Friday throughout the northeast and portions of the Mid-Atlantic. Currently, the wind has picked up at CRW and UA3910 from ORD is now diverting to IAD. This will likely be the start of problems for airports due to the wind.

mikelive · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:45 am

https://www.southwest.com/html/advisori ... 91170.html

In addition, WN is also issuing waivers for travel into/out of RNO through Saturday due to snow.

ltbewr · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:46 am

Even some diversion airports will be affected by parts of this storm so many overseas flights will have to be cancelled. For sure JFK doesn't want to see another disaster like they had in early January so will encourage cancellations to/from it Friday into Saturday mid-day.

izbtmnhd · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:48 am

Storm’s envelope is much larger than NE coastal cities. High Wind Warnings for PIT, Winter Storm Warning for DTW, CLE, BUF, ROC, SYR and ALB. Wind Advisories for RIC, ORF, RDU and CLT. Nearby alternates for the big hubs will be few and far between.

CapitalAvGeek · Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:24 pm

FX1433 A300 MEM-ORF diverting to RIC
AA9490 B738 PHL-DCA diverting to PHL

IAD is currently having a lot of go-arounds due to wind shear.

Acey559 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:03 pm

I just checked to see if my airline’s flight from CVG-BWI made it in and it did. Interesting thought though for the cargo carriers is that with the wind blowing nearly 45 knots at BWI, they may not even be able to unload the cargo, or load it later on tonight. Max limit for the main cargo door on our 757s is 40 knots, so it may severely impact operations even if the planes are able to land. I’m not sure of the limits on the FedEx/UPS fleet, but just one more thing to think about with this nasty weather.

jfklganyc · Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:42 pm

Jetblue was attempting near full schedule today. Just pulled an audible!

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:08 pm

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
FX1433 A300 MEM-ORF diverting to RIC
AA9490 B738 PHL-DCA diverting to PHL

IAD is currently having a lot of go-arounds due to wind shear.

IAD also using the circle 30 approach. One of those rare days in the year when 30 sees arrivals.

washingtonflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:13 pm

They are using 30 at IAD for arrivals. Not seen that in a while!

washingtonflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:15 pm

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
FX1433 A300 MEM-ORF diverting to RIC
AA9490 B738 PHL-DCA diverting to PHL

IAD is currently having a lot of go-arounds due to wind shear.

I was watching that one. Ferry flight or replacement section?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KPHL/KDCA

Haven't checked DCA; are they using 33 for arrivals and departures?

washingtonflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:19 pm

Got UA 2142 going around now or diverting.

...... and now diverting to PIT.

evank516 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:20 pm

Wintry Mix is occurring right now in the NYC Area. Messy day.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:29 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
CapitalAvGeek wrote:
FX1433 A300 MEM-ORF diverting to RIC
AA9490 B738 PHL-DCA diverting to PHL

IAD is currently having a lot of go-arounds due to wind shear.

I was watching that one. Ferry flight or replacement section?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KPHL/KDCA

Haven't checked DCA; are they using 33 for arrivals and departures?

I think a brickyard went in on 33. Southwest is approaching but meandering over Charles County at the moment. So not sure if they will even try.

washingtonflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:34 pm

Crazy conditions. Almost worth going to watch.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:41 pm

Southwest is approaching

No dice, missed approach.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:42 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
Crazy conditions. Almost worth going to watch.

If only that giant tree weren't blocking by road...

graham697 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:53 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
Southwest is approaching

No dice, missed approach.

They are cleared for 33. That will be an interesting landing.

CapitalAvGeek · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:01 pm

I just heard on atc that there is a ramp freeze at Dulles due to VIP movement for 20 minutes. Wonder what this could be?

UA6320 diverting to PIT because of no landing traffic is allowed at IAD.

graham697 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:03 pm

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
I just heard on atc that there is a ramp freeze at Dulles due to VIP movement for 20 minutes. Wonder what this could be?

UA6320 diverting to PIT because of no landing traffic is allowed at IAD.

My better half said that the President is flying out of Dulles today instead of Andrews. I thought that sounded a bit weird, but I guess not.

CapitalAvGeek · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:09 pm

graham697 wrote:
CapitalAvGeek wrote:
I just heard on atc that there is a ramp freeze at Dulles due to VIP movement for 20 minutes. Wonder what this could be?

UA6320 diverting to PIT because of no landing traffic is allowed at IAD.

My better half said that the President is flying out of Dulles today instead of Andrews. I thought that sounded a bit weird, but I guess not.

I think that’s correct based on this tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/RyanUpLate/s ... 8804824064

CapitalAvGeek · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:12 pm

Here is a pic of AF1 at IAD.

https://mobile.twitter.com/markknoller/ ... 3115018240

Departing runway 30 right now

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:15 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
CapitalAvGeek wrote:
FX1433 A300 MEM-ORF diverting to RIC
AA9490 B738 PHL-DCA diverting to PHL

IAD is currently having a lot of go-arounds due to wind shear.

I was watching that one. Ferry flight or replacement section?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KPHL/KDCA

Haven't checked DCA; are they using 33 for arrivals and departures?

Southwest just went in on 33. So yes, all kinds of planes landing on 33. Can a A321/B757 use 33? That would be the only plane I would wonder about.

william · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:17 pm

If one is traveling within the NEC, its time to call 1-800 USA RAIl

washingtonflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:19 pm

UA 1504 now trying 33.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:20 pm

william wrote:
If one is traveling within the NEC, its time to call 1-800 USA RAIl

Normally yes, but power outages and wind delaying even the trains!!

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:29 pm

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
Here is a pic of AF1 at IAD.

https://mobile.twitter.com/markknoller/ ... 3115018240

Departing runway 30 right now

Do they keep a backup at IAD or did they ferry it over from ADW? Willing to risk the winds on the ferry flight but not the actual flight?

CapitalAvGeek · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:38 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
CapitalAvGeek wrote:
Here is a pic of AF1 at IAD.

https://mobile.twitter.com/markknoller/ ... 3115018240

Departing runway 30 right now

Do they keep a backup at IAD or did they ferry it over from ADW? Willing to risk the winds on the ferry flight but not the actual flight?

No, they do not keep an extra at IAD. I do not know when it was ferried over, but I think it was before this morning because I have been listening to atc for quite awhile.

washingtonflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:41 pm

Pattern to DCA is firmly established as 33. Got 6 aircraft sequenced up to land on it.

graham697 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:42 pm

Quasi-anecdotal, but it seems like AA has largely given up on DCA ops today. I don't see many AA planes on their way to DCA.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:55 pm

graham697 wrote:
Quasi-anecdotal, but it seems like AA has largely given up on DCA ops today. I don't see many AA planes on their way to DCA.

Perhaps going with Eagle only ops and keeping mainline at home? There have been several YX arrivals. Part of this too might be BOS/NYC/PHL impacts as well.

If UA, WN can get A319/B737 in on 33, not sure why AA wouldn't try it, especially for flights from the south and west.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:57 pm

graham697 wrote:
Quasi-anecdotal, but it seems like AA has largely given up on DCA ops today. I don't see many AA planes on their way to DCA.

ALso, zero DL flights it seems.

washingtonflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:03 pm

Some landings on 33 and a couple on 1. B6 flight tried landing on 1 and went around - and now looks like to be diverting to BWI.

graham697 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:12 pm

B6 definitely deserves the award so far for trying to operate as much of their schedule as possible. I can only imagine those E190s are a bit wobbly on approach.

IADCA · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:37 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
washingtonflyer wrote:
CapitalAvGeek wrote:
FX1433 A300 MEM-ORF diverting to RIC
AA9490 B738 PHL-DCA diverting to PHL

IAD is currently having a lot of go-arounds due to wind shear.

I was watching that one. Ferry flight or replacement section?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KPHL/KDCA

Haven't checked DCA; are they using 33 for arrivals and departures?

Southwest just went in on 33. So yes, all kinds of planes landing on 33. Can a A321/B757 use 33? That would be the only plane I would wonder about.

I've been on a 757 takeoff on 33, but I can't recall ever seeing one land. A 753 needs 5,700 feet at MLW, which would put 33 out of bounds, but I don't have a chart handy for what happens under MLW. A321 looks to be roughly in the same ballpark, but again, not sure where the low end of the range is. If AA is scaling back today, that takes a lot of the 321s off the tables, but UA's 753 is still scheduled for this afternoon and appears to be on schedule for departure from DEN. We'll see if the wind is still the same then.

william · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:51 pm

Why 33, is the wind out of the west?

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:55 pm

william wrote:
Why 33, is the wind out of the west?

Yes, gusts over 50 most recently.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:56 pm

IAD tower is reporting recent gust of 86!! Although there is some question whether that reading is correct.

jfklganyc · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:56 pm

You cant really depart 33. It is very short.

Landing is different, you need less room especially with 50 kt winds.

I would imagine 1 is being used for deps for mainline ac. Unless contaminated x-wind limits are exceeded...and then there are no takeoffs.

A 757 out of DCA on 33 had to be full power, lightly fueled, lightly loaded.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:57 pm

IAD tower is evacuating due to high winds.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:00 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
IAD tower is evacuating due to high winds.

What is the contingency for this?

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:01 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
You cant really depart 33. It is very short.

Landing is different, you need less room especially with 50 kt winds.

I would imagine 1 is being used for deps for mainline ac. Unless contaminated x-wind limits are exceeded...and then there are no takeoffs.

A 757 out of DCA on 33 had to be full power, lightly fueled, lightly loaded.

33 is only runway in operation at the moment at DCA

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:12 pm

IAD is on a ground stop till 1pm.

IFlyVeryLittle · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:21 pm

How do these conditions compare to those that produce the very popular-to-watch crabbing, banking and yawing videos we see out of Europe all the time?

jfklganyc · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:26 pm

capitalflyer wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
You cant really depart 33. It is very short.

Landing is different, you need less room especially with 50 kt winds.

I would imagine 1 is being used for deps for mainline ac. Unless contaminated x-wind limits are exceeded...and then there are no takeoffs.

A 757 out of DCA on 33 had to be full power, lightly fueled, lightly loaded.

33 is only runway in operation at the moment at DCA

Then I imagine there are few mainline deps

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:28 pm

Backup radios at IAD are not working. Bah!!!

lugie · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:30 pm

A lot of go-arounds at JFK right now...
I was just listening to liveATC and they told diverting flights that alternates along the coast were going to close, DL210 MAD-JFK apparently decided to divert to CVG (!), AA148 CLT-JFK will go to PIT after 2 missed approaches...

Definitely not fun for the passengers but better safe than sorry.

CapitalAvGeek · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:32 pm

FAA traffic controllers are supposedly going to the ramp tower at IAD

shaneam12 · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:34 pm

33 at DCA can be used for most departures during high wind situations; I've seen B712s all the way up to B752s depart off of 33.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:38 pm

Arrivals of airborne aircraft have resumed. I assume they are handling traffic via radar only since not in tower and asking for radio confirmation when crossing 5 miles out for arrival.

capitalflyer · Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:39 pm

lugie wrote:
A lot of go-arounds at JFK right now...
I was just listening to liveATC and they told diverting flights that alternates along the coast were going to close, DL210 MAD-JFK apparently decided to divert to CVG (!), AA148 CLT-JFK will go to PIT after 2 missed approaches...

Definitely not fun for the passengers but better safe than sorry.

Very big storm. Hope everyone gets plenty of gas and diverts early!

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