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Re: Beijing new airport thread (construction developments & discussions)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:06 am

With so much talk about CZ and where they fit in this as well as the impression that they are the only ones making good business moves; we seem to have forgot the other 40% of traffic in this in MU(China Eastern). I hear no discussion on where they stand in this, both positives/negatives. Also the impact of them technically housing the 2 most important Chinese hubs in the 2 most important Chinese cities in PVG and now Daxing. While MU seems a bit more conservative than CZ when it comes to decisions, I'm sure they're going to make-out great in all of this. What are your opinions?
 
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Re: Beijing new airport thread (construction developments & discussions)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:44 am

A couple more high-resolution images of the "golden phoenix" (the terminal's nickname used in Chinese media)

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Hats off to the tens of thousands of Chinese construction workers at Daxing Airport :thumbsup:
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What about Hainan Airlines ? They would stay at PEK ?


Yes, they will remain at PEK

Yet this doesn't mean HNA will be absent at Daxing, as Beijing Capital Airlines—its key subsidiary in Beijing—will relocate to the new airport, effectively making HNA the only group capable of running operations at both PEK and ZBAD with legitimacy, which is obviously the envy of Air China whose move to rebrand Beijing Airlines earlier this year was widely viewed with suspicion of being extraordinarily motivated with an eye towards Daxing (though an existing policy prohibits that)
 
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Re: Beijing new airport thread (construction developments & discussions)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:13 pm

I saw the list of chinese airlines that will move to the new airport but what about foreign airlines, any airlines have already comfirm flights to Daxing?? or we will see the international airlines adding fights only to PEK when more space becomes available.

Also I would like to ask about the transfer day, is there any plane to move the pax, planes, equipment, staff in one day, more or less like CX did in HKG or we will see a slow transit??
 
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Re: Beijing new airport thread (construction developments & discussions)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:33 pm

https://www.jiemian.com/article/2734463.html

Mr Kong Yue, deputy general manager of Daxing Airport, revealed at a recent seminar that ZBAD is to conduct its calibration flights on Jan 18, 2019

In line with relevant arrangements, ZBAD is scheduled to host 17 Chinese airlines and 20 international airlines during its initial period of operations

The Beijing aviation market is estimated at 150M-160M pax by 2025, with ZBAD at 72M, and PEK 82M

migair54 wrote:
I saw the list of chinese airlines that will move to the new airport but what about foreign airlines, any airlines have already comfirm flights to Daxing?? or we will see the international airlines adding fights only to PEK when more space becomes available.


International airlines that are ST members will certainly move to ZBAD, eg, Aeroflot, Air France, KLM, Delta, Korean Air, Vietnam Airlines, Garuda

AFAIK, other carriers like Kenya Airways, Royal Brunei Airlines, American Airlines have expressed intentions to fly to ZBAD, so they are almost certain to serve the new airport too

Also I would like to ask about the transfer day, is there any plane to move the pax, planes, equipment, staff in one day, more or less like CX did in HKG or we will see a slow transit??


A mixed picture here

Some smaller airlines will switch their flights all to ZBAD overnight. A typical example will be China United Airlines that now flies out of Beijing's southern minor airport Nayuan which will be shut down simultaneously when ZBAD opens due to conflicting airspaces

Meanwhile big network carriers like CZ/MU won't be hard pressed like China United to move to ZBAD overnight as they've been promised by aviation authorities four years' time as a transitional period in which to transfer their flights and businesses from PEK to ZBAD at a more measured pace
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:52 pm

I was in China a month ago and had a really good time. Visited Beijing but took the train from Shanghai so didnt get to experience PEK.

Reading through the thread, is PEK going to remain open to commercial flights? If so, why would they operate a split airport situation. Which airport is more ideally located to get to central Beijing? I assume that would be a big competitive advantage no?
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:59 pm

maverick4002 wrote:
I was in China a month ago and had a really good time. Visited Beijing but took the train from Shanghai so didnt get to experience PEK.

Reading through the thread, is PEK going to remain open to commercial flights? If so, why would they operate a split airport situation. Which airport is more ideally located to get to central Beijing? I assume that would be a big competitive advantage no?


PEK will remain open, Air China and HNA will stay.

Depend on where you consider PEK is centre, Forbidden City and surrounding is center of Beijing but it is not the center for business travellers. PEK is closer to major business and embassy district. However, the new airport will be closer to the southern districts of Beijing and will serve the new city designated as a relief city to Beijing. So which means public servant and new business travellers would find new airport more convenient.

The reason for a new airport is because the current one is running well above its capacity, as one of the world's top three airport in terms of passenger numbers. There is frequent delays and lack of boarding gates. A new airport is necessary to meet the future demand for Beijing, and a pet project for the current president of China to mark his name by designing a new relief city south of Beijing.
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:36 pm

    Per the Chinese report 天津到北京新机场要建高铁 只需36分钟就可到达Tianjin to build HSR link to Beijing new airport, Tianjin municipality is going to build a high-speed rail link that connects the metropolis to Daxing Airport at a minimum 36 minutes travel time

    This is really good news to ZBAD as it would significantly expand the airport’s catchment area, cementing its role as a key node in the joint economic development of North China’s Jing-Jin-Ji region, ie, Beijing, Tianjin, Hebei Province, which is on top agenda of the Chinese central government

    According to the official Weibo account of the Daxing District of Beijing (https://m.weibo.cn/2590508324/4321520316369393), ZBAD has completed all the paving work and installation of lighting equipment for its initial 4 runways today on Dec 26th, exactly 4 years after its groundbreaking ceremony on Dec 26th, 2014
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    Latest satellite image of ZBAD on Dec 19th, 2018
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    Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:11 pm

    Zoedyn wrote:
    A couple more high-resolution images of the "golden phoenix" (the terminal's nickname used in Chinese media)

    Looking at that huge roof and the adjacent buildings (parking lots?): Is it planned to install solar panels? Would seem like a very convenient location. If not, why not?

    maverick4002 wrote:
    I was in China a month ago and had a really good time. Visited Beijing but took the train from Shanghai so didnt get to experience PEK.

    Reading through the thread, is PEK going to remain open to commercial flights? If so, why would they operate a split airport situation. Which airport is more ideally located to get to central Beijing? I assume that would be a big competitive advantage no?

    I'd expect this to pan out similar to London, New York and Tokyo, where each airport has its own catchment area but where one will be preferred for business travellers. These cities are large enough for more than one airport. For example, there are long-haul flights from LGW but first choice is and will always be LHR. The only thing missing in Beijing is a city-center airport like LCY or LGA.
     
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    Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:35 am

    A video clip featuring the newly-finished rwy as if you were on a plane taking off the next moment from ZBAD
    https://m.weibo.cn/2590508324/4321780862472601

    mxaxai wrote:
    Looking at that huge roof and the adjacent buildings (parking lots?): Is it planned to install solar panels? Would seem like a very convenient location. If not, why not?

    Yes. Solar photovoltaic systems will be installed on the roofs of the airport, including its car park buildings, business jet hangars and cargo areas. They are set to generate up to 6.1 million kilowatt hours of electricity each year, as per the China Daily report New Beijing airport to promote use of renewable energy

    The only thing missing in Beijing is a city-center airport like LCY or LGA.

    That's true. A city-center airport like LCY/LGA isn’t available for public transport in Beijing, but I'd like to say the Chinese capital does have a close-to-city-center and definitely in-town airport that COULD be utilized ideally like LCY for premium business traffic, which is none other than the little-known Beijing Xijiao Airport bearing ICAO code ZBBB (cf: ZAAA for PEK) with a single rwy at 2499 m in length

    First built by the Japanese in late 1930s when Peking (so called then) was under Japanese occupation, Xijiao Airport is located in what must have been a totally suburban area of Beijing 8 decades ago as its name suggests —— Xijiao literally meaning “west suburb” in Chinese

    However, the unstoppable urban sprawl of Beijing over the past couple decades has been encroaching all round ZBBB with blocks of residential/office buildings, shopping malls, hotels, hospitals, etc, making the airfield virtually an enclave in a highly urbanized area in Haidian District within incredibly easy reach of high-tech hub Zhongguancun—AKA China’s Silicon Valley—at just 5 km, and the Financial Street—AKA China’s Wall Street—at no more than 13 km, plus the added bonus of traffic-light-free expressway connectivity to both areas

    You can imagine how convenient ZBBB would be for premium-heavy business traffic from these places in western Beijing, ONLY IF the Chinese government allowed the airport to be used for civilian purposes by the general public, rather than just for the military and high-profile governmental traffic as it is now. I guess it would be beyond the wildest dream of any Chinese airline to try commercial flights out of ZBBB as the idea of opening ZBBB to the public is entirely impossible and unrealistic for too obvious reasons

    The map below illustrates the location for Xijiao Airport/ZBBB, Capital Airport/PEK, Nanyuan Airport/NAY, Daxing Airport/ZBAD relative to the heart of urban Beijing conventionally deemed to be where Tian’anmen Square is, as indicated by the little red star
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    PS: Nanyuan Airport/NAY, also very close to the city center of Beijing and the oldest airport in China since 1910, is going to be shut down once Daxing opens in fall 2019 due to reported airspace issues btwn the two
     
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    Great post Zoedyn, as always!
    The wikipedia entry on ZBBB is a real stub, and only available in three languages... Even the image is a satellite photo from 1967 (interestingly titled "spy satellite" on the chinese page) and Google only finds very few photos. You can see the significant changes between 1967 and 2018 when you compare it to Google Maps. Hardly surprising that this airfield is fairly unknown to foreigners.
     
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    Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:35 am

    Sentinel Satellite imagery for Daxing/New Istanbul/Beijing Capital Airports as captured on Dec 26th, 2018 in contrast (All three being mega airports with 100M+ capacity)
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    A closer aerial view of the "Golden Phoenix", ZBAD's terminal
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    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    Also, with a radial-shaped terminal as such, while passengers can indeed save a lot of walking therein, one wonders whether pilots may find it more challenging to get an aircraft around the parking/boarding area with a higher level of potential risks of accidents, say, wing-clipping
     
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    Latest hot pics of ZBAD from Weibo
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    Rumors circulating on Chinese social media Weibo say that no-fly zones for drones will soon be established around ZBAD as the airport is to conduct different sorts of testing flights very soon, meaning that photographers would have far fewer opportunities for amazing aerial photos of ZBAD

    https://m.yicai.com/news/100093093.html
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    Per the Chinese report, China Eastern is going to significantly bolster its operations in Beijing following opening of Daxing

    MU chairman Mr Liu said that ZBAD presents an once-in-a-century historic opportunity for the company’s long-term sustainable development, and MU is going to pool all possible resources in 2019 to develop Beijing market by raising Beijing to the status of a second core hub for MU on par with Shanghai

    That sounds so impressive
    Definitely Daxing opening presents gold opportunities for both of the anchor tenants CZ and MU, ushering in an era of real heated competition btwn the CN3 head-on
     
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    Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:27 pm

    Does any of CN3 has unallied subsidiaries? HU seems to be given an advantage for having loads of major subsidiaries to spare one to the other airport. Does CN3 own any subsidiaries sizing like MF or FM, but isn’t in any alliance, that they can operate legitimately outside their mother’s airport of operation, for a better chance to capture the market?
     
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    Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:05 pm

    Really looking forward to MU's expansion in Beijing, their Kunming hub is kind of underwhelming, A320s to places like Singapore... A330 to Europe... Not really competitive in the grand scheme of things.

    A Beijing Shanghai dual hub could prove to be extreamly appealing to quite a few people.
     
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    Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:37 pm

    FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
    Really looking forward to MU's expansion in Beijing, their Kunming hub is kind of underwhelming, A320s to places like Singapore... A330 to Europe... Not really competitive in the grand scheme of things.


    Compete with who? KMG serves its role well as a gateway to SE Asia (and South Asia). Nobody expect you to connect at KMG to major port like SIN anyway, but if you want to get to places like MDL, LPQ, DAC, KTM, and CNX, KMG is the way to go.

    Oh, and I guess you never have been to any US hubs. If A320/B738s are underwhelming, wait until you get into one of the gajillion 70-seaters (or worse, 50-seaters) that US3 love. Or those 757s that US3 (UA in particular) loves to cross the pond.

    B1168 wrote:
    Does any of CN3 has unallied subsidiaries? HU seems to be given an advantage for having loads of major subsidiaries to spare one to the other airport. Does CN3 own any subsidiaries sizing like MF or FM, but isn’t in any alliance, that they can operate legitimately outside their mother’s airport of operation, for a better chance to capture the market?


    IIRC the document that Zoedyn posts in another thread basically say anybody that's affiliated with MU and CZ are moving to ZBAD, no questions ask. CZ is even starting another subsiary (Xiong'an Airlines) that will be based in ZBAD.

    Well, there's 3U (Sichuan Airlines), which is 39% own by CZ, 10% own by MU, 10% own by SC (which itself is 22.8% own by CA), 1% by some catering company based in Chengdu, and the rest (40%) by Sichuan Airlines Inc. (Which is own by Sichuan gov't? Not sure).
     
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    Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:23 pm

    zakuivcustom wrote:
    FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
    Really looking forward to MU's expansion in Beijing, their Kunming hub is kind of underwhelming, A320s to places like Singapore... A330 to Europe... Not really competitive in the grand scheme of things.


    Compete with who? KMG serves its role well as a gateway to SE Asia (and South Asia). Nobody expect you to connect at KMG to major port like SIN anyway, but if you want to get to places like MDL, LPQ, DAC, KTM, and CNX, KMG is the way to go.

    Oh, and I guess you never have been to any US hubs. If A320/B738s are underwhelming, wait until you get into one of the gajillion 70-seaters (or worse, 50-seaters) that US3 love. Or those 757s that US3 (UA in particular) loves to cross the pond.

    B1168 wrote:
    Does any of CN3 has unallied subsidiaries? HU seems to be given an advantage for having loads of major subsidiaries to spare one to the other airport. Does CN3 own any subsidiaries sizing like MF or FM, but isn’t in any alliance, that they can operate legitimately outside their mother’s airport of operation, for a better chance to capture the market?


    IIRC the document that Zoedyn posts in another thread basically say anybody that's affiliated with MU and CZ are moving to ZBAD, no questions ask. CZ is even starting another subsiary (Xiong'an Airlines) that will be based in ZBAD.

    Well, there's 3U (Sichuan Airlines), which is 39% own by CZ, 10% own by MU, 10% own by SC (which itself is 22.8% own by CA), 1% by some catering company based in Chengdu, and the rest (40%) by Sichuan Airlines Inc. (Which is own by Sichuan gov't? Not sure).


    Sichuan Airlines has long been categorized in Chinese forums as one of the “sub-subsidiary” of CZ and its intention is particularly interesting to observe.
    To the person who deems airports exclusively operating A380s and B777s as hubs, let me say, then there will be no hub at all. There are still considerable foreign carriers and Flydubai(which uses narrowbodies to feed transfer traffic to DXB), which makes DXB a lot more successful than what EK itself could create. LHR even has turboprops by Flybe!
     
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    zakuivcustom wrote:

    IIRC the document that Zoedyn posts in another thread basically say anybody that's affiliated with MU and CZ are moving to ZBAD, no questions ask. .


    Does that also include the international airlines?
    Particularly the onrworld airlines who are more aligned with CZ and MU, other than CX due to ownership.
     
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    moa999 wrote:
    zakuivcustom wrote:

    IIRC the document that Zoedyn posts in another thread basically say anybody that's affiliated with MU and CZ are moving to ZBAD, no questions ask. .


    Does that also include the international airlines?
    Particularly the onrworld airlines who are more aligned with CZ and MU, other than CX due to ownership.


    Probably mentioned a few times already - non-mainland Chinese airlines (Thus including airlines from HK & Macau (and since this is a PRC document) Taiwan) are free to pick which airport they fly to, or they can choose to fly to both PEK and ZBAD if they wish.

    There are some small mainland Chinese airlines that are not explicitly pointed out as to whether they're flying to PEK or ZBAD.
     
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    Zoedyn wrote:

    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    This was my thought. I counted 50 gates. I have no idea how you can handle the passenger load and not be slot-restricted still with that few gates.

    Denver, my hometown airport has 137 gates, increasing to 176 once the addition is completed.
     
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    caverunner17 wrote:
    Zoedyn wrote:

    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    This was my thought. I counted 50 gates. I have no idea how you can handle the passenger load and not be slot-restricted still with that few gates.


    With the magic of everyone's favorite aviation chariot, the Cobus 3000... :)
     
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    bcbhokie wrote:
    caverunner17 wrote:
    Zoedyn wrote:

    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    This was my thought. I counted 50 gates. I have no idea how you can handle the passenger load and not be slot-restricted still with that few gates.


    With the magic of everyone's favorite aviation chariot, the Cobus 3000... :)

    Busing just seems short-sighted on a new airport, especially for an city that will see cold winter weather. While the airport design looks cool from above, I'd think a layout like ATL or DEN would be a lot more efficient and allow room for growth.
     
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    caverunner17 wrote:
    Zoedyn wrote:

    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    This was my thought. I counted 50 gates. I have no idea how you can handle the passenger load and not be slot-restricted still with that few gates.

    Denver, my hometown airport has 137 gates, increasing to 176 once the addition is completed.


    I believe that these 50 or so are all "flexible large wide body" gates; they all should be able to hold two narrow bodies, upto A321 size (and probably 757 as well). So that really would be around 100 large narrow body gates.

    BTW, how many of those 137 DEN gates are "real" wide body (without losing the adjacent gate), and how many are RJ gates . . . ?
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    PW100 wrote:
    caverunner17 wrote:
    Zoedyn wrote:

    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    This was my thought. I counted 50 gates. I have no idea how you can handle the passenger load and not be slot-restricted still with that few gates.

    Denver, my hometown airport has 137 gates, increasing to 176 once the addition is completed.


    I believe that these 50 or so are all "flexible large wide body" gates; they all should be able to hold two narrow bodies, upto A321 size (and probably 757 as well). So that really would be around 100 large narrow body gates.

    BTW, how many of those 137 DEN gates are "real" wide body (without losing the adjacent gate), and how many are RJ gates . . . ?


    Aren't there two additional terminal buildings in the master plan, a rectangular one in the middle and a southern terminal similar to the current northern terminal being constructed?
     
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    Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:12 am

    Still more recent pics of ZBAD from Weibo
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    Click https://m.weibo.cn/1961754221/4327246854641984
    for a footage of an aerial view of the terminal

    Click https://m.weibo.cn/5519916042/4326607940897849 for a footage of an inner view of the terminal

    PW100 wrote:
    caverunner17 wrote:
    Zoedyn wrote:

    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    This was my thought. I counted 50 gates. I have no idea how you can handle the passenger load and not be slot-restricted still with that few gates.

    Denver, my hometown airport has 137 gates, increasing to 176 once the addition is completed.


    I believe that these 50 or so are all "flexible large wide body" gates; they all should be able to hold two narrow bodies, upto A321 size (and probably 757 as well). So that really would be around 100 large narrow body gates.


    Judging by Pic #3 above, there indeed seems to be some MARS gates flexible enough to accommodate either one WB or two NB’s. It’s just hoped they are all such flexible gates. The more the better

    Finn350 wrote:
    Aren't there two additional terminal buildings in the master plan, a rectangular one in the middle and a southern terminal similar to the current northern terminal being constructed?


    YES

    The satellite terminal in the middle is said to start construction shortly after ZBAD opens this fall

    The southern terminal is in the plan of ZBAD’s future expansion longer term
     
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    PW100 wrote:
    caverunner17 wrote:
    Zoedyn wrote:

    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    This was my thought. I counted 50 gates. I have no idea how you can handle the passenger load and not be slot-restricted still with that few gates.

    Denver, my hometown airport has 137 gates, increasing to 176 once the addition is completed.


    I believe that these 50 or so are all "flexible large wide body" gates; they all should be able to hold two narrow bodies, upto A321 size (and probably 757 as well). So that really would be around 100 large narrow body gates.

    BTW, how many of those 137 DEN gates are "real" wide body (without losing the adjacent gate), and how many are RJ gates . . . ?


    C Concourse
    0 RJ gates
    1 True wide body capable gate,but you may lose the adjacent gate when a wide body parks there, DL used to park a 767 on C, but I can't remember if the adjacent gate was rendered useless or not
    27 - 28 narrow body gates

    B Concourse
    30 True RJ gates 9 more gates switch between RJ and Narrow Body
    4 True Wide Body gates, no adjacent gates rendered useless when parking wide body
    26 True Narrow Body gates and as stated above 9 others switch between Narrow Body and RJ

    A Concourse
    0 RJ gates at the moment not sure what the new extenstion is adding and I'm not counting the outside gates on the east end where you walk to the aircraft
    4 True Wide Body Gates, I believe 2 maybe 3 of these gates have narrow body gates next to them that are rendered useless if a wide body parks at these gates
    20 True Narrow Body Gates

    Thats going to be close, could be off some as some of these gates switch, as stated, between narrow body and wide body and I didn't count the east end of A gates that park small aircraft.away from the terminal, mostly because I'm not familiar with that end of the A concourse and honestly have no idea how many gates are over there, but its very few actual RJ aircraft parking there, and is usually small prop aircraft
     
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    As per this report ZBAD conducts first test flight, Daxing Airport witnessed its first test flight today, as a Cessna 680 plane registered #B9300 for inspection under CAAC landed steadily at the West One Runway (colored red in the rwy configuration below) at 10:10 am on Tuesday Jan 22, meaning the construction of ZBAD will enter the acceptance and handover stage

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    ZBAD rwy configuration for the initial stage
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    Seemed that the establishment of no-fly zone around Daxing Airport starting from today Jan 22 had prompted quite a few Chinese aviation photography enthusiasts to capture drone images of ZBAD in a rush during the past couple days. Let's take a closer look at some of the really stunning stuff on Chinese social media

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    Beautiful airport.
     
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    Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:07 pm

    caverunner17 wrote:
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    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    This was my thought. I counted 50 gates. I have no idea how you can handle the passenger load and not be slot-restricted still with that few gates.

    Denver, my hometown airport has 137 gates, increasing to 176 once the addition is completed.

    Are they still receiving jet bridges? Jet bridges are expensive, so I wouldn't be surprised if the airport signed a longer term contract to keep receiving them at a steady rate for say the next 3 years? I'm obviously speculating. But it would reduce costs and allow the airport to grow into demand.

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    Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:06 am

    What are those tall buildings towards the entrance? New construction? Hotels?
     
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    Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:24 am

    question: For the railway connection from the airport to downtown Beijing, can one simply hop onto the train like regular metro or will it be necessary for one to buy a scheduled ticket before departure because of the high speed rail nature of the railway connection?
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    Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:32 am

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    question: For the railway connection from the airport to downtown Beijing, can one simply hop onto the train like regular metro or will it be necessary for one to buy a scheduled ticket before departure because of the high speed rail nature of the railway connection?


    I would rather hope that they allow anybody to just show up and hop on an unassigned seat train. At least, attempts have been made on commuter trains between Guangzhou and Shenzhen, and it is working fine. This model should be able to be put to ZBAD’s rail as well.
     
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    Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:41 am

    lightsaber wrote:
    caverunner17 wrote:
    Zoedyn wrote:

    Seems the jet bridges for the terminal aren't that many as one would expect for a hub airport like Daxing

    This was my thought. I counted 50 gates. I have no idea how you can handle the passenger load and not be slot-restricted still with that few gates.

    Denver, my hometown airport has 137 gates, increasing to 176 once the addition is completed.

    Are they still receiving jet bridges? Jet bridges are expensive, so I wouldn't be surprised if the airport signed a longer term contract to keep receiving them at a steady rate for say the next 3 years? I'm obviously speculating. But it would reduce costs and allow the airport to grow into demand.

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    News report say it will have 79 jetbridge serving 82 gates near terminal, and the airport will have a total of 150 spots for passenger planes including those 82 gates. In other words almost half available capacity are designed as available via remote stand?
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    Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:07 am

    Note: According to the airport plan, they will construct "Satellite Concourse 1" when annual passenger flow of the airport reached 45 Million, and completion of such concourse will increase the available amount of gates that can directly be reached from concourses to 137. And this will provide enough capacity for the airport until annual passenger count reached 72M
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    Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:01 am

    A few more ZBAD pics from Weibo
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    Bird's eye views of Daxing Airport back in 2018 (most probably in summer judging by the lush green)
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    Here's an interesting contrast of ZBAD and PEK in aerial view
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    What are those tall buildings towards the entrance? New construction? Hotels?


    Well, the "tall buildings" you noted being built near the terminal entrance are obviously China Southern's operational and command center for its ZBAD hub, as illustrated in Post #100 of this thread. I think they might look tall seen from above, but are in fact not really tall, at least perfectly tolerable in height in relation to aviation safety standards
     
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    Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:01 am

    Rare glimpse into the inside of ZBAD's terminal by far as interior decoration works are in action

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    Really love their selection of glossy white as the dominating color scheme inside and the chic curved surface of the ceiling that gives out uber-cool vibes with a charming texture
     
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    Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:09 pm

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201901/2 ... 1ed_1.html

    Subway trains designed to run on Beijing's new airport express line, linking Daxing Airport and downtown Beijing, made debut today Jan 29th

    Capable of fully automated driverless operation, the trains are the fastest subway ones in China with a designed speed of 160 km/h, taking only 19 min to cover the 40-km journey from Caoqiao station in southern downtown Beijing to ZBAD

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    To me, it is definitely a thankful thing to find these ZBAD trains having such a cool dashing livery
     
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    Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:15 pm

    Zoedyn wrote:
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201901/29/WS5c500896a3106c65c34e71ed_1.html

    Subway trains designed to run on Beijing's new airport express line, linking Daxing Airport and downtown Beijing, made debut today Jan 29th

    Capable of fully automated driverless operation, the trains are the fastest subway ones in China with a designed speed of 160 km/h, taking only 19 min to cover the 40-km journey from Caoqiao station in southern downtown Beijing to ZBAD

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    To me, it is definitely a thankful thing to find these ZBAD trains having such a cool dashing livery


    These trains have too many doors, definitely feel more like commuter tracked sardine can trains rather than express trains. (too many doors means fewer seating). I hope I am wrong, but the train certainly does not look like express train from the outside.
     
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    Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:41 pm

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    These trains have too many doors, definitely feel more like commuter tracked sardine can trains rather than express trains. (too many doors means fewer seating). I hope I am wrong, but the train certainly does not look like express train from the outside.


    The airport express trains on the Dongzhimen-PEK are awful as well. No luggage racks so just piles of luggage hanging out in the aisles. A major evacuation hazard. I also hope they design the stations better. Both the Sanyuanqiao and the Dongzhimen airport express trains are awful to try and negotiate with luggage. Tiny pathways, lots of stairs.
     
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    Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:32 pm

    chonetsao wrote:
    Zoedyn wrote:
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201901/29/WS5c500896a3106c65c34e71ed_1.html

    Subway trains designed to run on Beijing's new airport express line, linking Daxing Airport and downtown Beijing, made debut today Jan 29th

    Capable of fully automated driverless operation, the trains are the fastest subway ones in China with a designed speed of 160 km/h, taking only 19 min to cover the 40-km journey from Caoqiao station in southern downtown Beijing to ZBAD

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    To me, it is definitely a thankful thing to find these ZBAD trains having such a cool dashing livery


    These trains have too many doors, definitely feel more like commuter tracked sardine can trains rather than express trains. (too many doors means fewer seating). I hope I am wrong, but the train certainly does not look like express train from the outside.

    The first car looks like a baggage car with no windows, the second car has windows on it, and by the looks of it, lesser doors.
     
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    Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:17 am

    http://www.china.org.cn/china/2019-02/2 ... 499507.htm
    Beijing Daxing International Airport completes flight check, 19 days ahead of schedule

    http://www.china.org.cn/business/2019-0 ... 503905.htm
    Beijing Daxing International Airport Station’s main structure completed on Beijing-Xiongan railway

    http://www.bjdx.gov.cn/zwxx/xwdt/rdgz/2556184.html
    HSR Connecting Line btwn Tianjin and Beijing New Airport to Begin Construction in H2 2019

    Noteworthy it’ll be only a ride of about 20 minutes from Beijing West Railway Station in western downtown Beijing to ZBAD via Beijing-Xiongan inter-city railway that is under construction, even quicker than taking the new airport express line that is already fast enough at top speed of 180 km/h

    No doubt ZBAD will become one of a rare few most convenient airports in China in terms of rapid multimodal connectivity with the urban/catchment areas

    Separately, CZ and MU are already reported to be planning intercontinental routes to LHR and CDG from Daxing (See: CZ, MU plan London, Paris routes from Beijing Daxing respectively in late 2019). Ppl will be keeping a close watch over what other intercontinental routes the duo will be able to run from ZBAD, esp under the recently eased “One Route One Carrier” policy

    Also, according to a carrier allocation policy issued by CAAC earlier this year (See: CAAC unveils slots allocation/airline distribution for Beijing’s upcoming PEK/ZBAD dual-hub system), foreign airlines as well as airlines of HK/MO/TW will be allowed to fly to either ZBAD or PEK, or both airports after Daxing opens this fall. Interesting to note what foreign airlines will be incentivized to choose ZBAD
     
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    Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:53 am

    chonetsao wrote:
    Zoedyn wrote:
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201901/29/WS5c500896a3106c65c34e71ed_1.html

    Subway trains designed to run on Beijing's new airport express line, linking Daxing Airport and downtown Beijing, made debut today Jan 29th

    Capable of fully automated driverless operation, the trains are the fastest subway ones in China with a designed speed of 160 km/h, taking only 19 min to cover the 40-km journey from Caoqiao station in southern downtown Beijing to ZBAD

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    To me, it is definitely a thankful thing to find these ZBAD trains having such a cool dashing livery


    These trains have too many doors, definitely feel more like commuter tracked sardine can trains rather than express trains. (too many doors means fewer seating). I hope I am wrong, but the train certainly does not look like express train from the outside.

    More photos here: https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/cnnews/2019 ... 2_001.html
    From the report and other photos it seems like the first train car have more doors than those at the back, probably because it will be designated at baggage car, and having more doors in the baggage car mean they can unload baggages checked in at city center station quicker by getting more people to unload those baggages at the same time.
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    Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:50 am

    Per the latest set of route applications on CAAC website ( http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/2 ... 94852.html) this afternoon Feb 27th, Beijing Capital Airlines, which will relocate to the new airport, has become the 1st Chinese carrier to apply an intercontinental longhaul route originating from Daxing/ZBAD

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    JD's proposed route is ZBAD-XIY-CAI with a twice weekly rotation starting from Oct 2019

    Also noteworthy in this batch of proposals, Shanghai-based Juneyao Airlines has proposed 3x weekly PVG-LON service from July 2019, signaling that CAAC's revised version of "One Route One Carrier" policy for Chinese airlines that has got eased a bit only recently is starting to be taking real effect
     
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    Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:25 am

    https://m.weibo.cn/1308405950/4345141097353512

    https://m.weibo.cn/2810373291/4345088140637499

    China’s Minister of Transportation Mr Li Xiaopeng and CAAC Director Mr Feng Zhenglin both reaffirmed at separate press conferences just days ago that ZBAD would get its construction fully completed by June 30th and open to traffic on Sept 30 as planned, two critical dates and deadlines that must be warranted to be met

    Mr Li also said ZBAD’s construction has been almost finished at the very final stage, and the recent successful completion of test flights at ZBAD marks the beginning of the new airport’s transition from doing infrastructure construction to making full pre-opening preparations in terms of their work focus

    Check out this fascinating timelapse video of Daxing’s transformation over the past couple years via the satellite images captured by Europe’s Sentinel satellite by clicking https://m.weibo.cn/5559114698/4340757759928071
     
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    Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:36 am

    Beijing new airport subway line starts test run

    Note it will take only 19 minutes to get from the Caoqiao station in Beijing's south 3rd ring road to the new airport after it starts operation by the end of September.

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    Pics courtesy of China Railway Construction Corporation
     
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    Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:54 am

    Any update on which non-skyteam airlines will be making the move?
     
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    Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:09 am

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    Noteworthy it’ll be only a ride of about 20 minutes from Beijing West Railway Station



    My qestion is, will there be dedicated shuttle trains between the airport and Beijing West Railway Station? Or will the line be exclusive to long distance trains? IMO, they really should provide a shuttle that go all the way to Beijing Railway Station in the city center.
     
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    Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:16 pm

    Begues wrote:
    My qestion is, will there be dedicated shuttle trains between the airport and Beijing West Railway Station? Or will the line be exclusive to long distance trains? IMO, they really should provide a shuttle that go all the way to Beijing Railway Station in the city center.


    I think no one knows for sure yet at this stage.

    I guess it'll be a mixture of shuttle, short- and medium-haul, and even long-haul trains, as the HSR section linking PKX and downtown Beijing is going to be part of a much longer HSR line extending beyond Xiong'an New Area south of PKX, the new economic development zone designated by China's paramount leader.
     
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    Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:26 am

    http://news.sina.com.cn/o/2019-06-19/do ... 5589.shtml

    China Eastern's plans for PKX as per the report:

    * 80% of MU's current flights operated at PEK, with all flights of its subsidiary Shanghai Airlines likewise, will be transferred to PKX by the end of March next year when the 2020 Summer/Fall season starts. Then MU will operate 189 flights, FM 7 flights, flying to 59 domestic and int'l destinations on 66 routes from PKX.

    * By 2022, MU with its subsidiaries FM and KN, plans to open 137 destinations with a daily 274 outbound flights and 151 aircraft deployed, including 80 overnight.

    * By 2025, 181 destinations, 360 outbound flights, 180-200 aircraft (120 overnight), over 650 daily flights overall operated together with its international partners
     
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    Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:19 am

    Some pics related to PKX circulating on Chinese social media SinaWeibo

    PKX aerial views
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    PKX air traffic control tower
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    Trains for Daxing Airport subway line
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    8-lane Daxing Airport Expressway linking PKX and downtown Beijing
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