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Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:33 pm

Grap your camera if you have the chance: a Comac ARJ21 test bed is visiting Europe this week.

A very welcome visitor in Bergen today, arriving from Helsinki and due to continue onto Iceland on Sunday. Aircraft was reported full of ballast tanks for testing.


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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:51 pm

Ooh! A DC-9!
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:56 pm

Short DC-9 with modified cockpit windows, CF34 engines, Tupolev designed wings - made with McDonnell Douglas tooling left in China.

Interesting aircraft.
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:05 pm

Big question is, will it make it back in one piece....
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:08 pm

Grab your camera or run for cover?
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:17 pm

FlyRow wrote:
Big question is, will it make it back in one piece....

Are you suggesting it will become Chinese carry-out? :biggrin:
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:54 pm

Are the engines in a good place relative to the wing?
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:05 pm

Was Ryanair there to visit?
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:22 pm

1900Driver wrote:
Was Ryanair there to visit?


It's the ARJ21, not C919 :rotfl: :rotfl:

FlyRow wrote:
Big question is, will it make it back in one piece....


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

sccutler wrote:
Ooh! A DC-9!


Nope, DC-9-10neo-C2 is what this is. :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:31 pm

You’d think they would at least wash the plane first.
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:34 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Nope, DC-9-10neo-C2 is what this is. :scratchchin: :scratchchin:


Nothing DC about the wing and aero afaik.
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:36 pm

Flown one time (intentionally), not much different from other planes...
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:59 pm

It seems the only thing DC is the fuselage. This might be part of the reason why the plane has had so much issues!

Good luck to the testing team, hope they take away new knowledge for the C919.
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:13 pm

Polot wrote:
You’d think they would at least wash the plane first.


And finish painting it.
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:18 pm

DC9MAX
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:23 pm

chunhimlai wrote:
DC9MAX


So it can carry fish right?

Are you suggesting it will become Chinese carry-out? :biggrin:


Let's just hope the engine doesn't make a "k(l)ung pao(w)" noice ... this is not a plane-design you want as a EU-airline.
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:57 pm

A DC-9 produced in typical Chinese fashion. Mix and match different designs and it becomes their own design. Antonov wings and a CRJ/E-Jet engine.
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:09 pm

I think people like this aircraft.
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:30 pm

One of them was in Oslo a few years ago, cold weather testing, i think
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:36 pm

Dirty with what looks like an unpainted rudder. What's that black thing just forward of the wings in line with the windows?
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:45 pm

DC9-NEO, maybe with fewer issues?
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:07 pm

Where is it now? Cant find any aircraft with registration B-001Q on Flightradar24
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:21 pm

spartanmjf wrote:
DC9-NEO, maybe with fewer issues?

Yes, the NEO has far fewer issues. Right now 4 ARJ-22s are required to do the duty of one and they keep an A320 on standby despite having a large dedicated maintenance team. It is probably the most maintenance intensive subsonic jet in commercial duty.
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:25 pm

Pacific wrote:
Good luck to the testing team, hope they take away new knowledge for the C919.


If it's made in China, they've "taken away" plenty of new knowledge, just before they started building the thing.
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:45 pm

Interesting looking aircraft. Need to see it next to people to get a sense of scale.
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:54 pm

Well heres the in production 717 delta always wanted..
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:40 am

JetBuddy wrote:
Short DC-9 with modified cockpit windows, CF34 engines, Tupolev designed wings - made with McDonnell Douglas tooling left in China.

Interesting aircraft.


Actually the new wing was designed by Antonov of Ukraine (not Tupolev). The fuselage is based on those of MD-80/90 previously assembled under license in China (admittedly both DC-9 derivatives).

I agree, should be a nice Frankenstein-monster to fly on!
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:22 am

I noticed a cabin door just forward of the engine, which the short DC-9s didn't have. Does the Comac retain the tail cone escape, or does this door replace it (no tail cone ejection)?

Edit: and does it have the ventral stair?
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:49 am

God damn I'm sorry to anyone that likes this aircraft but in my opinion:

1. It looks ugly AF
2. No way in the world you'd get me to fly on it.

My friend flew in one once and he looked shell shocked after he had got off. Words from his mouth "I'd rather fly a bird turd than this bird"....
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:55 am

I like the looks of this aircraft, too bad they messed it up to the point that it is now hopelessly outdated compared to the competition.

Wingtips56 wrote:
I noticed a cabin door just forward of the engine, which the short DC-9s didn't have. Does the Comac retain the tail cone escape, or does this door replace it (no tail cone ejection)?

Edit: and does it have the ventral stair?


I don't think so, for either of those. Unlike on the MD-80, they placed the APU in the tail cone. Pictures of the aircrafts belly during air displays don't indicate any hatch under the tail for the ventral stairs, and all cabin layout graphics I have seen show that the space in the rear of the cabin is filled up with cabinets.
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:23 am

sevenair wrote:
Dirty with what looks like an unpainted rudder. What's that black thing just forward of the wings in line with the windows?


beauty spot. :-)
( .. and maybe give people something simple to ask about .. )

"unpainted rudder".

is the ARJ21 in Europe for a sales campaign or something different like testing or other?
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:26 am

WIederling wrote:

is the ARJ21 in Europe for a sales campaign or something different like testing or other?


They are testing if it can fly!

...Just an airliners enthusiast joke :)
 
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:29 am

vahancrazy wrote:
WIederling wrote:

is the ARJ21 in Europe for a sales campaign or something different like testing or other?


They are testing if it can fly!


haha. How did it get here? By rail?

...Just an airliners enthusiast joke :)


yeah, I've browsed across the "Gesinnungsaufsatz" writers here.
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Re: Comac ARJ21 visits Europe

Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:27 am

Someone83 wrote:
Where is it now? Cant find any aircraft with registration B-001Q on Flightradar24


Before it arrived HEL it was shown as a Shanghai Airlines 737 (B-5523) on Flightradar24. However that seemed to be just a one-off. So probably the best way to find it is to keep your eyes open. :)

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