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flydulles
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Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:36 pm

Do you all think we will get Hawaii info in this next schedule release due march 8th?
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:47 pm

No, I expect cities to be announced with a generalized start date before routes and tickets are released for purchase.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:50 pm

Probably not. They have still to complete the ETOPS certification process. They could technically publish the schedule based on the dates they expect to get the certification which may be a bit of a gamble. If they don't get ETOPS in time, they will have to refund huge amounts of tickets to HI and deal with massive bad press and passenger ill will.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:56 pm

I believe the latest report was start-up of HI service perhaps early 2019; the upcoming sked releases are still working their way thru this year.

I expect we'll hear about PAE's new service long before Hawaii...

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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:13 pm

SANFan wrote:
I believe the latest report was start-up of HI service perhaps early 2019; the upcoming sked releases are still working their way thru this year.

I expect we'll hear about PAE's new service long before Hawaii...

bb

I agree. PAE will come way before Hawaii (at least, the official announcements will). I did read somewhere that Southwest's CEO said that they may not be able to launch flights to Hawaii until 2019. I think it has to do with labor disputes/pilot contracts, and also that Southwest doesn't ever schedule red-eye flights.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:49 pm

FA9295 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
I believe the latest report was start-up of HI service perhaps early 2019; the upcoming sked releases are still working their way thru this year.

I expect we'll hear about PAE's new service long before Hawaii...

bb

I agree. PAE will come way before Hawaii (at least, the official announcements will). I did read somewhere that Southwest's CEO said that they may not be able to launch flights to Hawaii until 2019. I think it has to do with labor disputes/pilot contracts, and also that Southwest doesn't ever schedule red-eye flights.


I don't think it is contract related. I have seen several people say the contracts shouldn't be a problem. Language is already written in or something.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:12 pm

FA9295 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
I believe the latest report was start-up of HI service perhaps early 2019; the upcoming sked releases are still working their way thru this year.

I expect we'll hear about PAE's new service long before Hawaii...

bb

I agree. PAE will come way before Hawaii (at least, the official announcements will). I did read somewhere that Southwest's CEO said that they may not be able to launch flights to Hawaii until 2019. I think it has to do with labor disputes/pilot contracts, and also that Southwest doesn't ever schedule red-eye flights.



Nothing to do with the pilots contract. Our new contract has ETOPS and red-eye language. The only group without a contract is the mechanics. Whether or not that holds anything up, no idea. Not sure when the ETOPS subset of pilots will start training but probably this fall. This is just a guess based on how things typically work but I can’t see Hawaii being part of a schedule release. It will be a stand alone announcement once we get much closer to ETOPS certification.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:03 pm

On March 8th when the new extended schedule is released, what date will it go to? I'm looking to book a flight the first half of November.

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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:10 pm

FriscoHeavy wrote:
On March 8th when the new extended schedule is released, what date will it go to? I'm looking to book a flight the first half of November.

Thanks


The March 8th extension will put seats on sale through November 3, 2018.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:11 pm

Mods can we change this to make it the official Southwest Schedule Extension thread?
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:49 pm

How would the Max-8 perform? Wouldn't it barely make it there from LA?
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:50 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Mods can we change this to make it the official Southwest Schedule Extension thread?

If that's the way we are going to go, let me start by predicting not much for this next extension. I don't even see why WN really even bothers with a 1 month extension for such an in-between, uneventful time (between fall and winter.) At least the following extension will include the End-of-DST schedule which will have lots of time changes.

Like the previous extension last month - barely 2 weeks ago -- I don't see much of anything of any consequence being revealed on March 8...

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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:20 am

SANFan wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Mods can we change this to make it the official Southwest Schedule Extension thread?

If that's the way we are going to go, let me start by predicting not much for this next extension. I don't even see why WN really even bothers with a 1 month extension for such an in-between, uneventful time (between fall and winter.) At least the following extension will include the End-of-DST schedule which will have lots of time changes.

Like the previous extension last month - barely 2 weeks ago -- I don't see much of anything of any consequence being revealed on March 8...

bb


This one at least includes Fall break, which is a decent travel period especially to Florida
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:42 am

Joshu wrote:
How would the Max-8 perform? Wouldn't it barely make it there from LA?


The MAX should have no problems betwen LAX and HNL. Where did you come up with that theory, Let me guess, the internet?

Surely you don't an ailine like SWA would buy an airplane without seriously evaluating all the possible route applications?
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:50 am

Small extension, so I wouldn’t expect much
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:31 am

SteveXC500 wrote:
Small extension, so I wouldn’t expect much


Frequency changes, plus maybe 2-4 new routes is my guess
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:43 am

BravoOne wrote:
Joshu wrote:
How would the Max-8 perform? Wouldn't it barely make it there from LA?


The MAX should have no problems betwen LAX and HNL. Where did you come up with that theory, Let me guess, the internet?

Surely you don't an ailine like SWA would buy an airplane without seriously evaluating all the possible route applications?


Yo, chill out. It's not a theory but a question. It was genuine. Don't be so asinine.
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:57 am

Joshu wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
Joshu wrote:
How would the Max-8 perform? Wouldn't it barely make it there from LA?


The MAX should have no problems betwen LAX and HNL. Where did you come up with that theory, Let me guess, the internet?

Surely you don't an ailine like SWA would buy an airplane without seriously evaluating all the possible route applications?


Yo, chill out. It's not a theory but a question. It was genuine. Don't be so asinine.


Since the NG's have been doing the West Coast to Hawaii for a few decades now, it should be obvious that the MAX will have no issues.
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:19 pm

Joshu wrote:
How would the Max-8 perform? Wouldn't it barely make it there from LA?


To answer your question nicely, the MAX-8 should make it there with no issue. Not sure of the mileage difference between LA and Hawaii and Ireland/UK and NY, but the 737 MAX 8 makes regular trips across the pond to SWF from DUB and EDI.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:32 pm

barney captain wrote:
Joshu wrote:
BravoOne wrote:

The MAX should have no problems betwen LAX and HNL. Where did you come up with that theory, Let me guess, the internet?

Surely you don't an ailine like SWA would buy an airplane without seriously evaluating all the possible route applications?


Yo, chill out. It's not a theory but a question. It was genuine. Don't be so asinine.


Since the NG's have been doing the West Coast to Hawaii for a few decades now, it should be obvious that the MAX will have no issues.


Wait, who is flying the NG to Hawaii?
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:02 pm

Joshu wrote:
barney captain wrote:
Joshu wrote:

Yo, chill out. It's not a theory but a question. It was genuine. Don't be so asinine.


Since the NG's have been doing the West Coast to Hawaii for a few decades now, it should be obvious that the MAX will have no issues.


Wait, who is flying the NG to Hawaii?


Alaska flies 737-800s PDX-HNL PDX-OGG PDX-KOA PDX-LIH.
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:31 pm

What he said for starters. In the past several others like DL, SNA-HNL, as I recall.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:34 pm

Joshu wrote:
How would the Max-8 perform? Wouldn't it barely make it there from LA?


It shouldn't be a problem. I flew a Max on a transcon and we only burned about half of the available fuel capacity. Slightly less than half actually. The Max 8 can go 8 hours easily with full tanks.
 
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:53 am

Joshu wrote:
barney captain wrote:
Joshu wrote:

Yo, chill out. It's not a theory but a question. It was genuine. Don't be so asinine.


Since the NG's have been doing the West Coast to Hawaii for a few decades now, it should be obvious that the MAX will have no issues.


Wait, who is flying the NG to Hawaii?


Seriously?

DL, AS, UA, WS, AQ and soon SY and WN.

Who isn't flying NG's to Hawaii?
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:27 am

barney captain wrote:
Joshu wrote:
barney captain wrote:

Since the NG's have been doing the West Coast to Hawaii for a few decades now, it should be obvious that the MAX will have no issues.


Wait, who is flying the NG to Hawaii?


Seriously?

DL, AS, UA, WS, AQ and soon SY and WN.

Who isn't flying NG's to Hawaii?


Whoa. Did not know that. Thanks!
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Re: Southwest schedule question

Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:36 am

SWApilotfarmer wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
I believe the latest report was start-up of HI service perhaps early 2019; the upcoming sked releases are still working their way thru this year.

I expect we'll hear about PAE's new service long before Hawaii...

bb

I agree. PAE will come way before Hawaii (at least, the official announcements will). I did read somewhere that Southwest's CEO said that they may not be able to launch flights to Hawaii until 2019. I think it has to do with labor disputes/pilot contracts, and also that Southwest doesn't ever schedule red-eye flights.



Nothing to do with the pilots contract. Our new contract has ETOPS and red-eye language. The only group without a contract is the mechanics. Whether or not that holds anything up, no idea. Not sure when the ETOPS subset of pilots will start training but probably this fall. This is just a guess based on how things typically work but I can’t see Hawaii being part of a schedule release. It will be a stand alone announcement once we get much closer to ETOPS certification.


Southwest is still getting its ducks in a row. They have some stuff to fix before any ETOPS certification will occur. (I am being purposely vague). Outside of any labor contract.

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