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American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:56 pm

According to ch-aviation AA is on the market for some used A319s to replace the ageing Mad Dogs. President Isom was quoted saying :

"Newer model used aircraft are absolutely something we have an eye out for. As we take a look at where A319s are available we are going to be out there after them, because we want them. They are a little bit larger than we need in terms of total seating capacity but when you take a look at the operating economics when you put it into our fleet, it works really well,"

It seems that like United, American is on the lookout for used A319s. As most airlines are upgauging to the 320 and 321 I think there is going to enough demand and supply for the short term needs.

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Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:13 pm

Many will start being available from EZY as they start replacing them for 320’s and 321’s. Highly used yes but still young and have a lot of life left in them. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some of these end up over there
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:29 pm

G4, UA, AA..

I doubt there are many deals to be had given the demand.
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:37 pm

azz767 wrote:
Many will start being available from EZY as they start replacing them for 320’s and 321’s. Highly used yes but still young and have a lot of life left in them. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some of these end up over there


First thought that came into my head when I saw this thread! Neat rhyme there...

They are phasing out a fair few A319's currently so they're is plenty about.

BA was supposed to be withdrawing some A319's but I can't see that happening as the purchase of the Gatwick slots mean they need as many short haul aircraft as they can find.
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:38 pm

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Many will start being available from EZY as they start replacing them for 320’s and 321’s. Highly used yes but still young and have a lot of life left in them. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some of these end up over there


The U2 A319s have four overwing exits, and the only US airline operating these specially equipped A319s is G4 (which continues to add ex-U2 A319s to their fleet and could very well add even more).

AA will probably look to Chinese or European legacy carriers - and as they operate both CFM and IAE A319s, they don't have to decide based on engine type.
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:39 pm

Strange how used 319's are in demand but they can't seem to give away new ones!
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:43 pm

StTim wrote:
Strange how used 319's are in demand but they can't seem to give away new ones!


There is a difference between selling new aircraft and orphan aircraft with low residual value - 717-200 vs new 737-700, MD-83 vs new A319-100, Avro RJ vs new ER-190/195, 777-200 vs new A330-300, 757-200 vs new A321neoLR, etc, etc..
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:43 pm

How much does AA squeeze into a 319 vs S80? I’m confused by the comment that they are a bit large in seating capacity then they want.
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:54 pm

TheDBCooper wrote:
StTim wrote:
Strange how used 319's are in demand but they can't seem to give away new ones!


There is a difference between selling new aircraft and orphan aircraft with low residual value - 717-200 vs new 737-700, MD-83 vs new A319-100, Avro RJ vs new ER-190/195, 777-200 vs new A330-300, 757-200 vs new A321neoLR, etc, etc..


I agree - but it does say there is a market for planes at this size - even if currently the new sales are as rare as hens teeth.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:00 pm

AA should have an easier time finding used A319s than UA. UA has been a little pickier in trying to find IAE engines, of which there are fewer than CFM-powered A319/320s.
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:07 pm

FWAERJ wrote:
azz767 wrote:
Many will start being available from EZY as they start replacing them for 320’s and 321’s. Highly used yes but still young and have a lot of life left in them. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some of these end up over there


The U2 A319s have four overwing exits, and the only US airline operating these specially equipped A319s is G4 (which continues to add ex-U2 A319s to their fleet and could very well add even more).

AA will probably look to Chinese or European legacy carriers - and as they operate both CFM and IAE A319s, they don't have to decide based on engine type.

Can the bonus exits be plugged to standardize the fleet?

I'm loving this prolonged use of older aircraft, but how is this going to squeeze the engine market? WN buying up all those used 73Gs recently actually put a big crunch on the used CFM market (In normal economic cycles these older 73Gs would have been scrapped and their engines would have soldiered on, instead they're still in service chewing up spares). AA has both CFM and IAE powerplants so I suppose any subfleet that comes up for grabs is fair game.

This, G4 and UA's used purchases are going to have a knock on effect on the A320P2F conversion program.
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:09 pm

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azz767 wrote:
Many will start being available from EZY as they start replacing them for 320’s and 321’s. Highly used yes but still young and have a lot of life left in them. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some of these end up over there


The U2 A319s have four overwing exits, and the only US airline operating these specially equipped A319s is G4 (which continues to add ex-U2 A319s to their fleet and could very well add even more).

AA will probably look to Chinese or European legacy carriers - and as they operate both CFM and IAE A319s, they don't have to decide based on engine type.

Would it be possible to deactivate 2 of the overwing exits?
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:15 pm

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How much does AA squeeze into a 319 vs S80? I’m confused by the comment that they are a bit large in seating capacity then they want.

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They may be looking at a possible 100 seat plane in the future (E195E2?), but want the 319’s for a short term replacement.
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:38 pm

The "It's too big" comment from Isom is a little strange. It does indeed suggest an E-Jet or C-series consideration. Given the high wage levels of AA mainline, the desire for A319 is a bit shocking. It sounds like AA A319 fleet is a bit small for the overall scale of the network, even if it only plays a relatively bit part. They are obviously running into a bit of a shortage covering the cities they would like to cover.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:47 pm

In my opinion, this proves that the A319 is a reliable aircraft even after its main use. The A319 is unique because it has the right kind of fit in long and thin markets as well as short and large markets. Take BOS-NYC on the 319, short length and large market. Take AA's IND-LAX flight, not a terribly large market and it's the right kind of plane. Same is said with PIT-SLC on the Delta A319 or SFO-BNA or IND on the A319.
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:52 pm

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TheDBCooper wrote:
StTim wrote:
Strange how used 319's are in demand but they can't seem to give away new ones!


There is a difference between selling new aircraft and orphan aircraft with low residual value - 717-200 vs new 737-700, MD-83 vs new A319-100, Avro RJ vs new ER-190/195, 777-200 vs new A330-300, 757-200 vs new A321neoLR, etc, etc..


I agree - but it does say there is a market for planes at this size - even if currently the new sales are as rare as hens teeth.


But your original comment is that it was "strange" that used planes are in more demand than new ones. It's not strange at all. Used planes in these size ranges are much cheaper to acquire, precisely because they're not as economical to fly. So, essentially, you're trading operating efficiency for lower capital costs.

As for not being able to "give away" new A319s, Airbus isn't giving them away. And that's precisely why they're not selling. If Airbus was "giving away" (say, pricing in the low $20 million range, as Boeing is reported to have done with UA on the 737-700) A319s, I'm sure a number of airlines would buy new ones. But Airbus has no reason to give steep discounts on A319s when they have a multi-year backlog and can charge a premium on A320s and A321s that are coming off the same production line. So, from that perspective, it makes perfect sense why airlines would be looking for used airplanes of a particular type when new ones aren't selling.

Same applies to the 717, except for the part about having other planes on the same production line. Great value at used prices, but if you're going to buy new, much better options are available.
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:24 am

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They may be looking at a possible 100 seat plane in the future (E195E2?), but want the 319’s for a short term replacement.


I'd be confused on why they would be looking at that when the E190s they currently have will be on their way to the desert in 2019. I think they like the 319 as they don't need a whole subfleet to work the 100 seat market, they have an aircraft that is common with their larger ones that can get the job done.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:38 am

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Would it be possible to deactivate 2 of the overwing exits?


Remove exit signs and markings, then cover up the handles. That is how it is done on B757s.

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Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:40 am

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They may be looking at a possible 100 seat plane in the future (E195E2?), but want the 319’s for a short term replacement.


I'd be confused on why they would be looking at that when the E190s they currently have will be on their way to the desert in 2019. I think they like the 319 as they don't need a whole subfleet to work the 100 seat market, they have an aircraft that is common with their larger ones that can get the job done.


Just speculation based on Isom's comment and their partnership with Embraer.
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:46 am

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Strange how used 319's are in demand but they can't seem to give away new ones!


There is a difference between selling new aircraft and orphan aircraft with low residual value - 717-200 vs new 737-700, MD-83 vs new A319-100, Avro RJ vs new ER-190/195, 777-200 vs new A330-300, 757-200 vs new A321neoLR, etc, etc..

Demand is high due to low prices certainly.

When the used values increase, buyers will consider new.

Bombardier would love used prices to spike to help sell C-series.
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:06 am

lightsaber wrote:
TheDBCooper wrote:
StTim wrote:
Strange how used 319's are in demand but they can't seem to give away new ones!


There is a difference between selling new aircraft and orphan aircraft with low residual value - 717-200 vs new 737-700, MD-83 vs new A319-100, Avro RJ vs new ER-190/195, 777-200 vs new A330-300, 757-200 vs new A321neoLR, etc, etc..

Demand is high due to low prices certainly.

When the used values increase, buyers will consider new.

Bombardier would love used prices to spike to help sell C-series.


This is probably good news for Bombardier.

With an airline the size of AA taking a good majority of the surplus A319's out of the market the cost / opportunity equation between buying new C-Series and used A319's will gravitate towards the C-Series.

For argument sake this deal has the potential to bring C-series orders forward by 3-5 years.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:39 am

Also AC has decided to retire the E190s sooner than planned, and hang on to the A319s longer until the C-Series arrive in significant numbers in 2020. So it would seem there is some pressure growing on A319 values on the market.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:20 am

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Strange how used 319's are in demand but they can't seem to give away new ones!


They are in demand because they are cheap. Used A319s that are less 20 years old are available for under $10 Million each. A320s and 737s of the same vintage are more expensive. So in reality, A319s are popular because they aren’t popular. The A319 has some of the lowest prices for used airplanes that American, Allegiant, a United etc would be interested in operating.

Check here for pricing viewtopic.php?t=1361025
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:36 am

I would assume the MD-80's, despite built like tanks, are running up to times and cycles when heavy mx checks are needed and certifications limits, are needing more frequent maintenance, have their depreciation maxed out and have higher than desirable fuel burn vs.moderately used A-319's.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:59 am

StTim wrote:
Strange how used 319's are in demand but they can't seem to give away new ones!


IIRC the last time I saw leasing rates put up on here the 319 was relatively cheap.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:08 am

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Strange how used 319's are in demand but they can't seem to give away new ones!


They are in demand because they are cheap. Used A319s that are less 20 years old are available for under $10 Million each. A320s and 737s of the same vintage are more expensive. So in reality, A319s are popular because they aren’t popular. The A319 has some of the lowest prices for used airplanes that American, Allegiant, a United etc would be interested in operating.

Check here for pricing viewtopic.php?t=1361025

It should be noted these A319s will be put into limited utilization duty. No one bids high for that aircraft in low utilization duty. G4 is also putting A319s into lower utilization duty.

Easyjet is replacing the A319s with A320s in high utilization duty as are others shedding A319s.

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Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:22 am

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This is probably good news for Bombardier.

With an airline the size of AA taking a good majority of the surplus A319's out of the market the cost / opportunity equation between buying new C-Series and used A319's will gravitate towards the C-Series.

For argument sake this deal has the potential to bring C-series orders forward by 3-5 years.


I don't think I would interpret this the way you do.

Not a good thing - it's a big carrier that's saying the operating efficiencies of the CS aren't worth the price Bombardier wants for the aircraft vs. used 319s -- not at current expectations of mid-term fuel prices.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:34 am

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Many will start being available from EZY as they start replacing them for 320’s and 321’s. Highly used yes but still young and have a lot of life left in them. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some of these end up over there


What about Iberia? They have sold and leased back previously owned A319s in recent years and the leasebacks are going to expire soon. Likewise, Finnair could be looking to replace its A319s soon, and all but one of its eight are owned (the owned frames are owned through an in-house lessor). China Eastern also has five around the 10-12 year mark.

Long term, I suspect that AA and UA might want to see how the C-Series and E195-E2 works before committing to the CS300, which is the likely successor at this point to the A319 on the Airbus side. AA and UA already have large A319 fleets and it's better to acquire used ones than introduce a brand-new fleet type.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:16 am

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I would assume the MD-80's, despite built like tanks, are running up to times and cycles when heavy mx checks are needed and certifications limits, are needing more frequent maintenance, have their depreciation maxed out and have higher than desirable fuel burn vs.moderately used A-319's.

Common A. Net knowledge states that AA is hanging onto the Mad Dogs a bit longer than planned, but the limiting factor is going to be spare parts, as the big buys are done and the manufacturers have stopped producing. New parts can be made, but they are spendy. Real spendy. Looks like AA is hanging on to them to keep capacity as long as possible, but they are on their way out sooner rather than later. Here at COS they upgauged the formerly all MD flights to 738s.
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Would it be possible to deactivate 2 of the overwing exits?


Remove exit signs and markings, then cover up the handles. That is how it is done on B757s.

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In which case the EasyJet A319s would work fine for AA.
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:57 pm

That sound of a coffee cup being thrown against the wall came from Allegiant offices. Allegiant is mad because the cost of used A319s with CFM engines just went up.

I believe Allegiant has bought a couple A319s or A320s from EasyJet. From what I read, Allegiant left the interior the same.
 
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I wonder if AS will give up the VX A319's to AA.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:30 pm

You know an airframe is getting old once American and Allegiant start trying to get as many as possible.

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I wonder if AS will give up the VX A319's to AA.


Planespotters.net shows 7 or 8 lessors for just ten VX 319s. That's not an easy 'Here's 88 717s from Boeing Capital' kind of transaction.
 
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In my opinion, this proves that the A319 is a reliable aircraft even after its main use. The A319 is unique because it has the right kind of fit in long and thin markets as well as short and large markets. Take BOS-NYC on the 319, short length and large market. Take AA's IND-LAX flight, not a terribly large market and it's the right kind of plane. Same is said with PIT-SLC on the Delta A319 or SFO-BNA or IND on the A319.


plus it has decent performance in places where AA needs it like TGU, UIO etc,is the right size on many of its Caribbean / latin routes from MIA (for example GCM, SAP etc) and and has range on routes like DFW-BOG.
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:34 pm

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That sound of a coffee cup being thrown against the wall came from Allegiant offices. Allegiant is mad because the cost of used A319s with CFM engines just went up.

I believe Allegiant has bought a couple A319s or A320s from EasyJet. From what I read, Allegiant left the interior the same.



Allegiant has and when they purchased new A320s they actually had to go make a deal with Easy to use their custom color orange on the interior that many of the used craft have. If I had to bet money they would have worked out a deal then for more used frames. Allegiant allowed to use it and Easy able to unload frames when they want. Makes sense if I was in the negotiations.
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:57 am

I think UA has dibs on all the CZ 319s and maybe the 320s as well.
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Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:14 pm

A good opportunistic move by AA, in a similar fashion to what i.e. Volotea & G4 are doing.
A319's may have fallen out of favor as new-builds or NEO's, but the existing frames out there should have a long life ahead of them.
Very cheap to buy, and with still pretty decent operating costs. No need for high utilization. Smart deal.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:35 am

hOMSaR wrote:
Same applies to the 717, except for the part about having other planes on the same production line. Great value at used prices, but if you're going to buy new, much better options are available.


ONLY other options apply. I doubt kind words and big money will be enough for Boeing to inventory to see if the tooling still exists.
 
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Tunisair has four A319 including two LR. AA may tease them for.
 
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r2rho wrote:
A good opportunistic move by AA, in a similar fashion to what i.e. Volotea & G4 are doing.
A319's may have fallen out of favor as new-builds or NEO's, but the existing frames out there should have a long life ahead of them.
Very cheap to buy, and with still pretty decent operating costs. No need for high utilization. Smart deal.

Very cheap to buy is important. If the price ticks up, Volotea, AA, and Allegiant will buy A320s, or V2500 engines. While there is some cost for two engines, it isn't as much as some here think. It certainly isn't as high of a cost as it was at the start of my career.


To all:

The life extension to 60k cycles and 120k hours helped. I really want to know what the testing to 90k/180k showed that resulted in an abortion of that certification process. However, we now have used A319s bought for 48k cycles/60k hours now being sold into low utilization duty.

In low utilization duty, which is typically 5 cycles and 6 hours or less... We're looking at 1000 to 2000 cycles per year and 1500-2500 hours per year (if much more, only a NEO or MAX makes sense, in particular above 2500 hours per year). These airframes will be flown like MD-80s are now. Many parked mid-week days,but intense utilization during high RASM seasons.

So a low sales price is key.
For example, looking at Allegiant's lines of the hours flown per aircraft, they should be negotiating for 10 to 15 new NEOs. So if used prices go up too much, they will be pushed to make that strategic switch. I do not expect an order this year, but I do expect them to be seeing what routes benefit from new aircraft and re-arranging lines to maximize profit.

Allegiant ditched the MD-80 early thanks to lower costs with A319s and the profitable ability to fly each A319 more hours per year thanks to lower variable costs.

Then again, with the C-series, NEO, and MAX finally getting into mass production, used CEO prices will be suppressed. Once we have over 20% of the aircraft the new engines, used NG and CEO prices (that is, about 3,000 NEO, MAX, and C-series).

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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:20 pm

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In low utilization duty, which is typically 5 cycles and 6 hours or less... We're looking at 1000 to 2000 cycles per year and 1500-2500 hours per year (if much more, only a NEO or MAX makes sense, in particular above 2500 hours per year). These airframes will be flown like MD-80s are now. Many parked mid-week days,but intense utilization during high RASM seasons.

So a low sales price is key.


That's an interesting exposition, but why 319s rather than 320s? Surely the AA network is big enough, with enough high volume routes, that the extra seats could be used well.
 
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:32 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
In low utilization duty, which is typically 5 cycles and 6 hours or less... We're looking at 1000 to 2000 cycles per year and 1500-2500 hours per year (if much more, only a NEO or MAX makes sense, in particular above 2500 hours per year). These airframes will be flown like MD-80s are now. Many parked mid-week days,but intense utilization during high RASM seasons.

So a low sales price is key.


That's an interesting exposition, but why 319s rather than 320s? Surely the AA network is big enough, with enough high volume routes, that the extra seats could be used well.


I think it was mentioned before. The 319 - being much less successful on the second-hand market as it is the less optimized derivative - presents a significant acquisition cost advantage over a used 320. Since the aircraft is in low-utilization duty, cost of purchase becomes the primary concern.

It might be used on routes that have regional service during the off-season/off days, but switch to mainline during the travel season/travel days . The 319 provides enough boost in capacity on those routes.
 
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Re: American Airlines on the market for used A319s to replace MD80s

Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:44 pm

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MIflyer12 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
In low utilization duty, which is typically 5 cycles and 6 hours or less... We're looking at 1000 to 2000 cycles per year and 1500-2500 hours per year (if much more, only a NEO or MAX makes sense, in particular above 2500 hours per year). These airframes will be flown like MD-80s are now. Many parked mid-week days,but intense utilization during high RASM seasons.

So a low sales price is key.


That's an interesting exposition, but why 319s rather than 320s? Surely the AA network is big enough, with enough high volume routes, that the extra seats could be used well.


I think it was mentioned before. The 319 - being much less successful on the second-hand market as it is the less optimized derivative - presents a significant acquisition cost advantage over a used 320. Since the aircraft is in low-utilization duty, cost of purchase becomes the primary concern.

It might be used on routes that have regional service during the off-season/off days, but switch to mainline during the travel season/travel days . The 319 provides enough boost in capacity on those routes.

All evidence I find is the acquisition cost. Used A320CEOs are far more popular. Much of this is due to the largest A319 operator, Easyjet, replacing A319s with new A320s. And if Easyjet isn't anymore the largest A319 operator, that only strengthens my point.

These A319s are being bought for low utilization duty. Fixed costs (acquisition costs) are thus key. Yes, AA is intentionally throwing away potential revenue for a reduced upfront cost.

If used A319 values increase, obviously a threshold will be crossed where the A320 or even 737NG makes more sense used. Or. If a high enough price is crossed, AA will buy new CS300 or a NEO or MAX and switch strategies to higher utilization with fewer aircraft.

This is not a single point solution. This is seizing the opportunity of acquiring used A319s cheap.

The 73G should have gone through the same price depreciation. It did enough to persuade WN to go on a mass buying spree to retire the 733, but further discussion on that quickly goes off topic. We'll just say that now that WN is flying -8 MAX, they can wait for cheaper 73Gs and I'd bet used 73G prices are approaching used A319 prices. But due to U2's retirements, the used A319 prices were suppressed creating an opportunity.

Just as Allegiant bought used A320s when prices were right. It was G4's market switch, as far as I can tell, that forced down used A319 prices.

Now that Volotea is replacing 717s with used A319s, I imagine the used 717 market goes to scrap value soon. Never force a customer to go to a competitor!

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