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Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:46 pm

I can't find a better source at present, but it appears Asiana has finally converted its small order for the A358 into an equal number of A359s. Which means that the A358 has been cancelled, as good as confirmed.

The last order for the #A350-800 has been converted to the larger -900.

In February, @Flyasiana replaced the 8 A358s it had on order by the same number of A359s. It still has 30 #A350s on order.

The A350-800 will not be built & is not listed in the @Airbus spreadsheet anymore.


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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:55 pm

Its been toast for awhile now, a few years ago Fabrice said development was cancelled.
 
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:57 pm

Technically the -800 was cancelled couple years ago when Airbus stated it won't build the smallest A350 member.
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:00 pm

Wow, this, HA, and VS cancelling A380 all in rapid succession.

It'd be terrible news if it wasn't so underwhelming! :D

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
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A380-800.
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:02 pm

Revelation wrote:
Wow, this, HA, and VS cancelling A380 all in rapid succession.

It'd be terrible news if it wasn't so underwhelming! :D

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.


The A350-800 being converted to the A350-900 is in no way bad news for Airbus.
 
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:09 pm

Revelation wrote:
Wow, this, HA, and VS cancelling A380 all in rapid succession.

It'd be terrible news if it wasn't so underwhelming! :D

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.


We need a new headline "new sales chief finds skeletons in closet" :duck:
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:02 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Wow, this, HA, and VS cancelling A380 all in rapid succession.

It'd be terrible news if it wasn't so underwhelming! :D

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.


We need a new headline "new sales chief finds skeletons in closet" :duck:

I don't know how serious you were with that post, KarelXWB, but I think your post is exactly right. Airbus needed to do a little cleanup of some of the orders that were never going to come to fruition, and what better time to do it than with a new sales chief? The real indicator of the situation will be how Eric Schulz fares in the next couple of campaigns. We've been hearing of campaigns at UA and AA for the A330neo (-800 and -900 respectively), LH topup of A350s, VN and QF deciding between the A350 and 777x, A320 replacement at Finnair, and so on...
 
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:24 am

KarelXWB wrote:
We need a new headline "new sales chief finds skeletons in closet" :duck:

To me the headline is more like "John Leahy clears his desk to make a clean sheet start for Eric Schultz...." :)
 
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:01 am

Revelation wrote:

A380-800.


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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:27 am

Airbus needs something for 230-330 passengers category...A350 just don't cut it. Boeing is having a home run for B787 family.
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:09 am

juliuswong wrote:
Airbus needs something for 230-330 passengers category...A350 just don't cut it. Boeing is having a home run for B787 family.


Airbus already has a good chunk of that market covered with the A330s.
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:15 am

MrHMSH wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Wow, this, HA, and VS cancelling A380 all in rapid succession.

It'd be terrible news if it wasn't so underwhelming! :D

Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.


The A350-800 being converted to the A350-900 is in no way bad news for Airbus.

Well I can't imagine it's good news! Asiana held off on this for such a long time to force Airbus into concessions. An order for 358s converted into an equal number of 359s tells me that Asiana probably will be paying the same amount for the 359 that they had negotiated for the 358. That's around $40 million each at list price, or $1.2 billion for the entire order. I realize no one pays list price, but the point is the same — big price difference. Asiana also got their orders in pretty early on, which means they locked in favorable rates.

Tl;dr Airbus kept the deal intact, but I'm willing to bet they're fulfilling this order at a loss. So...maybe a little bit of bad news.
 
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:30 am

Revelation wrote:
Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.

A380-800.


It has sold more than if it had never been launched...one way to look at it.
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:34 am

atcsundevil wrote:
Well I can't imagine it's good news! Asiana held off on this for such a long time to force Airbus into concessions. An order for 358s converted into an equal number of 359s tells me that Asiana probably will be paying the same amount for the 359 that they had negotiated for the 358. That's around $40 million each at list price, or $1.2 billion for the entire order. I realize no one pays list price, but the point is the same — big price difference. Asiana also got their orders in pretty early on, which means they locked in favorable rates.

Tl;dr Airbus kept the deal intact, but I'm willing to bet they're fulfilling this order at a loss. So...maybe a little bit of bad news.


Wow! $40M apiece for an order of A359s...that's chicken scratch for an airplane that size!
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:40 am

Revelation wrote:
Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

Wish that they WOULD drop the stupid -8/-800 thing, so that we aren't in the 1000s with just two derivative iterations :irked:
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:48 am

aeromoe wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Well I can't imagine it's good news! Asiana held off on this for such a long time to force Airbus into concessions. An order for 358s converted into an equal number of 359s tells me that Asiana probably will be paying the same amount for the 359 that they had negotiated for the 358. That's around $40 million each at list price, or $1.2 billion for the entire order. I realize no one pays list price, but the point is the same — big price difference. Asiana also got their orders in pretty early on, which means they locked in favorable rates.

Tl;dr Airbus kept the deal intact, but I'm willing to bet they're fulfilling this order at a loss. So...maybe a little bit of bad news.


Wow! $40M apiece for an order of A359s...that's chicken scratch for an airplane that size!

Obviously a mistake as the list price is way more than $40 million.
 
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:55 am

The A358 is officially cancelled then?
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:10 am

aeromoe wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Well I can't imagine it's good news! Asiana held off on this for such a long time to force Airbus into concessions. An order for 358s converted into an equal number of 359s tells me that Asiana probably will be paying the same amount for the 359 that they had negotiated for the 358. That's around $40 million each at list price, or $1.2 billion for the entire order. I realize no one pays list price, but the point is the same — big price difference. Asiana also got their orders in pretty early on, which means they locked in favorable rates.

Tl;dr Airbus kept the deal intact, but I'm willing to bet they're fulfilling this order at a loss. So...maybe a little bit of bad news.


Wow! $40M apiece for an order of A359s...that's chicken scratch for an airplane that size!

No, a $40 million price difference between the 358 and 359 at list prices. I should have made that clearer.
 
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:13 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

Wish that they WOULD drop the stupid -8/-800 thing, so that we aren't in the 1000s with just two derivative iterations :irked:

But then they'd never sell planes in China :eyepopping:
 
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:58 am

It must be officially cancelled as there's no longer an A350-800 column on the O&D spreadsheet Worldwide tab! :wink2:
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:59 am

In fact, looking at Airbus's O&D spreadsheet, Asiana's original order of 8 x A358, 12 x A359 & 10 x A35K now shows as 21 x A359 (of which 4 delivered) and 9 x A35K. So it looks as though they also converted one -1000 to -900 as well.
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:08 pm

scbriml wrote:
In fact, looking at Airbus's O&D spreadsheet, Asiana's original order of 8 x A358, 12 x A359 & 10 x A35K now shows as 21 x A359 (of which 4 delivered) and 9 x A35K. So it looks as though they also converted one -1000 to -900 as well.


So they really like their A359s. IIRC, the A358s were meant as 767 replacement, so I actually expected the A358 order to be converted into A330neo's. Perhaps OZ will place another order for 767 replacement aircraft, and use the additional A359s for expansion.

Conversion of one A35K to A359 may not seem significant, but it there have been a some conversions from -1000s to 900s while one would expect the opposite though.
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:44 pm

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Wow! $40M apiece for an order of A359s...that's chicken scratch for an airplane that size!


delta in list price. :-)

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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:10 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Seems like Airbus should avoid -800 in model numbers, none of them do so good.
A350-800.
A330-800.
A380-800.

Wish that they WOULD drop the stupid -8/-800 thing, so that we aren't in the 1000s with just two derivative iterations :irked:

Indeed, that was my point.

The fact that I could make that point AND take a shot at the A380 at the same time was too much for me to resist.

IslandRob wrote:
Revelation wrote:

A380-800.


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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:52 pm

What happened to the A350 800 order at Aeroflot?
 
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Re: Asiana converted A350-800 to -900, -800 officially cancelled?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:34 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
What happened to the A350 800 order at Aeroflot?

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