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BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:04 pm

So just looking around I see that BA will be letting all the 747 go by 2024ish I wounder what we will see in PHX then? My guess is the 787-10 but I would love to see the 772/3 What do you all think?
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:20 pm

My understanding is that this is a very important cargo route for BA so a 777 is a definite possibility
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:23 pm

I think as A350s arrive, they will replace 77Ws on routes like HND, PVG, SIN/SYD and HKG. This will then see the 77Ws replacing 744s on routes like DEN and PHX.
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:25 pm

aviatorcraig wrote:
My understanding is that this is a very important cargo route for BA so a 777 is a definite possibility


or the A35K... I'm thinking this would be quite likely on BA West Coast USA and Asian routes.
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:26 pm

77W would be my guess at this current point in time.
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:31 pm

Richard28 wrote:
aviatorcraig wrote:
My understanding is that this is a very important cargo route for BA so a 777 is a definite possibility


or the A35K... I'm thinking this would be quite likely on BA West Coast USA and Asian routes.

BA doesn't have competition on the PHX route, so I can't see them deploying its newest product there. Hence, why I think the A35K will go to HND, HKG etc. first.
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:31 pm

jetsetterusa wrote:
So just looking around I see that BA will be letting all the 747 go by 2024ish I wounder what we will see in PHX then? My guess is the 787-10 but I would love to see the 772/3 What do you all think?


I think the -10 might struggle with a full payload. The 777 or, assuming the 747 holds on in PHX until the bitter end, the A350 would be stronger contenders.
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:36 pm

It's a while off yet. A350 or 77W is most likley at first glance.

I also imagine PHX will be dropped as a 747 route before the retirement finally happens. All the aircraft left in a few years will be super High J which are more configured for JFK, US East coast, LAX etc. in mind.
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:43 pm

jetsetterusa wrote:
So just looking around I see that BA will be letting all the 747 go by 2024ish I wounder what we will see in PHX then? My guess is the 787-10 but I would love to see the 772/3 What do you all think?

Maybe the 772 will be retired as well, so I bet we'll only see the 787 or the upcoming A350 in PHX soon.
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Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:48 pm

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jetsetterusa wrote:
So just looking around I see that BA will be letting all the 747 go by 2024ish I wounder what we will see in PHX then? My guess is the 787-10 but I would love to see the 772/3 What do you all think?

Maybe the 772 will be retired as well, so I bet we'll only see the 787 or the upcoming A350 in PHX soon.


They'll be 772s in the fleet till maybe even 2040. They're supposed to see 30 years service.
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Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:49 pm

They’re not replacing a 747 on a heavy cargo route with the 787, that’s ridiculous
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:54 pm

What is it about PHX that makes it so cargo heavy for BA? Just curious...
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:01 pm

ATLFlyer323 wrote:
What is it about PHX that makes it so cargo heavy for BA? Just curious...


The fact BA is the only current non-stop service to Europe from PHX probably helps with that. Quick way to get high value cargo transported.
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:34 pm

My guess is that PHX will go to a 773. Here at SAN, BA uses a 773 part of the year,
and the 744 for the second part of the year, right now it's the 744 they're using.
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:12 pm

Of the 18 remaining unrefurbished 747s, three are retiring in the next year, and the remaining 15 are being refurbished starting this month, with new IFE being fitted from August (only 9 have been approved for new IFE so far). Unless the plan has changed, this was the case a few weeks ago. Long overdue if you ask me!
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:39 am

Will BA go twice daily to PHX? Last year they added 3x weekly for May and June, and this year they extended the extra 3x weekly from the end of March to October.
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:04 am

I could see it going 2x daily with a 77W and a 788 or 789.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:10 am

Maybe AA could throw in a 332 seeing how the JV is metal neutral.
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:28 am

ATLFlyer323 wrote:
What is it about PHX that makes it so cargo heavy for BA? Just curious...


Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I've heard it hauls a lot of produce back to the UK.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:53 am

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Will BA go twice daily to PHX? Last year they added 3x weekly for May and June, and this year they extended the extra 3x weekly from the end of March to October.


The plan is the same for this year.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:12 am

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Of the 18 remaining unrefurbished 747s, three are retiring in the next year, and the remaining 15 are being refurbished starting this month, with new IFE being fitted from August (only 9 have been approved for new IFE so far). Unless the plan has changed, this was the case a few weeks ago. Long overdue if you ask me!


So just to clarify, bar those 3 B747’s, are ALL of them getting the refurb now? That wasn’t the original plan was it...?
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

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Of the 18 remaining unrefurbished 747s, three are retiring in the next year, and the remaining 15 are being refurbished starting this month, with new IFE being fitted from August (only 9 have been approved for new IFE so far). Unless the plan has changed, this was the case a few weeks ago. Long overdue if you ask me!


I believe they're retiring 2 BNL's and one CIV registered?
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:06 am

Arion640 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
jetsetterusa wrote:
So just looking around I see that BA will be letting all the 747 go by 2024ish I wounder what we will see in PHX then? My guess is the 787-10 but I would love to see the 772/3 What do you all think?

Maybe the 772 will be retired as well, so I bet we'll only see the 787 or the upcoming A350 in PHX soon.


They'll be 772s in the fleet till maybe even 2040. They're supposed to see 30 years service.


However I believe they'll be moving many of those over to LGW, for the leisure fleet, in order to remain competitive with new cabin product at LHR. The first ones should leave at the end of 747 retirements, with the first 1 delivered delivered in 1995, 1996 & 1997
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:24 am

As recently as late November the 3 772 non-ER planes, being the ones delivered in 1995, 1996, and 1997 were due to be replaced by second hand 77Ws by 2020. Has this now changed then? According to public statements by IAG/BA it is some but not all of the 772-ERs that are being re-seated. These date to between 1997 and 2009, and are the 30-year-life planes.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:24 am

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As recently as late November the 3 772 non-ER planes, being the ones delivered in 1995, 1996, and 1997 were due to be replaced by second hand 77Ws by 2020. Has this now changed then? According to public statements by IAG/BA it is some but not all of the 772-ERs that are being re-seated. These date to between 1997 and 2009, and are the 30-year-life planes.

I think these upcoming second hand 77W's are an ex EK jet, maybe EBB, EBC, EBI.
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:02 pm

Yes all 15 are having new seat covers/foams, carpets, curtains and lighting, of which 9 (so far) are having new Panasonic IFE fitted. Not sure why the budget for all 15 want found but may happen yet.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:46 pm

Be very interested what the cargo mix is made up of . A few semi conductors from intel probably doesn’t come to many pallet loads.
 
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Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:28 pm

SQ789 wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
As recently as late November the 3 772 non-ER planes, being the ones delivered in 1995, 1996, and 1997 were due to be replaced by second hand 77Ws by 2020. Has this now changed then? According to public statements by IAG/BA it is some but not all of the 772-ERs that are being re-seated. These date to between 1997 and 2009, and are the 30-year-life planes.

I think these upcoming second hand 77W's are an ex EK jet, maybe EBB, EBC, EBI.


Supposed to be TAM jets.
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747fly wrote:
Yes all 15 are having new seat covers/foams, carpets, curtains and lighting, of which 9 (so far) are having new Panasonic IFE fitted. Not sure why the budget for all 15 want found but may happen yet.


Glad to hear of additional life being put into the 747 fleet. Time has moved on but man that aircraft has a look and feel that puts to shame everything else.
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:08 pm

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What is it about PHX that makes it so cargo heavy for BA? Just curious...


It's not remarkably cargo heavy. As usual, an a.net expert doesn't have his facts straight.

July 2017 eastbound

Phoenix ... 279,000 lbs
San Diego ... 245,000
San Jose ... 235,000
Denver ... 343,000
Atlanta ... 571,000
New Orleans ... 7,000
Baltimore ... 277,000
Philadelphia ... 275,000
Austin ... 340,000
Dallas ... 431,000

July 2017 westbound

Phoenix ... 423,000
San Diego ... 342,000
San Jose ... 805,000
Denver ... 643,000
Atlanta ... 1,135,000
New Orleans ... 391,000
Baltimore ... 496,000
Philadelphia ... 463,000
Austin ... 756,000
Dallas ... 618,000

August 2017 eastbound

Phoenix ... 288,000
San Diego ... 218,000
San Jose ... 218,000
Denver ... 362,000
Atlanta ... 508,000
New Orleans ... 0
Baltimore ... 330,000
Philadelphia ... 443,000
Austin ... 215,000
Dallas ... 403,000

August 2017 westbound

Phoenix ... 323,000
San Diego ... 362,000
San Jose ... 831,000
Denver ... 549,000
Atlanta ... 1,311,000
New Orleans ... 328,000
Baltimore ... 560,000
Philadelphia ... 519,000
Austin ... 776,000
Dallas ... 635,000

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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:13 pm

bagoldex wrote:
ATLFlyer323 wrote:
What is it about PHX that makes it so cargo heavy for BA? Just curious...


It's not remarkably cargo heavy. As usual, an a.net expert doesn't have his facts straight.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:23 am

Arion640 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
As recently as late November the 3 772 non-ER planes, being the ones delivered in 1995, 1996, and 1997 were due to be replaced by second hand 77Ws by 2020. Has this now changed then? According to public statements by IAG/BA it is some but not all of the 772-ERs that are being re-seated. These date to between 1997 and 2009, and are the 30-year-life planes.

I think these upcoming second hand 77W's are an ex EK jet, maybe EBB, EBC, EBI.


Supposed to be TAM jets.

Maybe correct, LATAM will phased out the 77W soon and replaced by 787/A350 on that year as well. I bet the next second hand 3 77W should be an ex LATAM or EK jets (3 class configuration).
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

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They’re not replacing a 747 on a heavy cargo route with the 787, that’s ridiculous

Um, why exactly?

Assuming the route is "cargo heavy"... that would depend on the cargo density, as 78X has way more cargo capacity than any 747, and a 789 is basically a match for a 744.

A 744 will lift more cargo by weight out of PHX than a 787 will, but again, that's only a factor for particularly dense cargo.

Based on post#30, that doesn't appear to be the case for PHX.

Heck, LHR-PHX did less monthly westbound cargo than LHR-MSY in August... a 22yr-old route, versus a 1yr-old which at the time of measurement, was operating only 4x weekly.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:30 am

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cedarjet wrote:
They’re not replacing a 747 on a heavy cargo route with the 787, that’s ridiculous

Um, why exactly?

Because, when the time comes, the 77W will make much more sense in terms of range and payload capabilities.
 
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:29 pm

I would have thought that the 77W would be best, the 7810 might have trouble with the heat in PHX in summer and the wind westbound in winter. Unless there is a lot of value to an additional frequency in which case 2 x 789 would be a good way to go I would think.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:53 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
I think these upcoming second hand 77W's are an ex EK jet, maybe EBB, EBC, EBI.


Supposed to be TAM jets.

Maybe correct, LATAM will phased out the 77W soon and replaced by 787/A350 on that year as well. I bet the next second hand 3 77W should be an ex LATAM or EK jets (3 class configuration).


A BA insider did mention the Emirates jets, to me but that all went quiet and then the LATAM rumor surfaced on flyertalk.
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Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:17 pm

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August 2017 eastbound

New Orleans ... 0


What? No Tabasco export to europe out of MSY ? :silly:
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TedToToe wrote:
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cedarjet wrote:
They’re not replacing a 747 on a heavy cargo route with the 787, that’s ridiculous

Um, why exactly?

Because, when the time comes, the 77W will make much more sense in terms of range and payload capabilities.

Versus the opportunity cost of sending it somewhere else that isn't essentially a captive market for a nonstop.

Too many variables for you to make that an assertive claim.
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:48 pm

I have flown this route RT 3 times, most recently in Nov/Dec 2017. While I can't say I am a BA expert, I've flown them a decent amount of times out of LHR to various destinations in Europe and Egypt. I love this route for the 747, and non stop Europe flight, but it greatly needs an interior update.

Prior to my recent trip, I hadn't flown on the PHX to LHR route since Dec 2009. In 2009 I got an upgrade to J, flew Premium economy from LHR to CAI and back, then Y back home from LHR to PHX.

It's crazy how in just 8 years, my opinion perspective had changed a little bit on the route, but especially the cabin. 8 years ago I thought the cabin was average, but now I was kind of disappointed to see how old everything looked. Don't get me wrong, the plane was clean, and BA onboard staff were friendly and attentive. However, the plane overall looked tired.

Another thing I notice was the female cabin crew on all my BA flights no longer wore hats. In the past, I kind of found flying BA as an opportunity for me to experience some of the "golden age" of flying. Is this a recent change? I personally thought this uniform touch gave the airline some nostalgia we don't see here in the US.

On our LHR to CDG leg (of my recent trip), we were on a brand new interior A321, with the beautiful new seats and IFEs. Heck, even the business class seats on this route looked amazing. However, it was interesting to see BA go through what many of US legacies go through a few years ago. On Euro routes, there is no longer free anything. beverages cost money, including water and so on.

Another thought about this route that I found the most interesting was how full both legs were, especially my return one on December 13th. I don't think there were many empty seats in Y...I recall only seeing one, and I'm confident F,J,WT+ were full or very close to.

Being that PHX is now a OW hub, I could see this route growing even more. They are adding a second flight here in a week or so 3X daily. I could honestly see this becoming a permanent addition at some point. I've also noticed that more recently, when I search fares via their Lowest Fare search, PHX hasn't budged for any bargain Y fares. It's hovered around $1000 to $1200 to LHR or CDG and I check it nearly daily. Out of Denver, I've seen CDG for less than $500 for quite awhile, and London in the $600s. Kind of interesting.
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:19 pm

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I have flown this route RT 3 times, most recently in Nov/Dec 2017. While I can't say I am a BA expert, I've flown them a decent amount of times out of LHR to various destinations in Europe and Egypt. I love this route for the 747, and non stop Europe flight, but it greatly needs an interior update.

Prior to my recent trip, I hadn't flown on the PHX to LHR route since Dec 2009. In 2009 I got an upgrade to J, flew Premium economy from LHR to CAI and back, then Y back home from LHR to PHX.

It's crazy how in just 8 years, my opinion perspective had changed a little bit on the route, but especially the cabin. 8 years ago I thought the cabin was average, but now I was kind of disappointed to see how old everything looked. Don't get me wrong, the plane was clean, and BA onboard staff were friendly and attentive. However, the plane overall looked tired.

The 52J 744s that are used on the PHX route are due to receive a cabin refresh starting later this year.
 
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Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:37 pm

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Maybe AA could throw in a 332 seeing how the JV is metal neutral.


I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like this happen, once there is a bit of slack in the AA heavies i would be willing to be we will see 2x daily split between Ba and AA. But who knows how long that might be. It also doesn't help that PHX doesn't have a crew base for the A330.
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:40 am

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travaz wrote:
Maybe AA could throw in a 332 seeing how the JV is metal neutral.


I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like this happen, once there is a bit of slack in the AA heavies i would be willing to be we will see 2x daily split between Ba and AA. But who knows how long that might be. It also doesn't help that PHX doesn't have a crew base for the A330.


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Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:20 am

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Another thing I notice was the female cabin crew on all my BA flights no longer wore hats. In the past, I kind of found flying BA as an opportunity for me to experience some of the "golden age" of flying. Is this a recent change? I personally thought this uniform touch gave the airline some nostalgia we don't see here in the US.


There are different cabin crew groups at BA, with different contract terms. BA call them "fleets". But it isn't just the contract terms, there are other subtle variations between the crew fleets too. One of them is the uniform hats. Mixed Fleet (so called because their routes include both longhaul and shorthaul) are issued with hats, and expected to wear them. WorldWide Fleet (people on the older contract who fly only longhaul) can have hats if they want to, but there's no requirement to wear a hat. There's also Eurofleet (old contract, shorthaul only) who don't have to wear hats. And this is just the people covering flights to and from Heathrow. There's been no recruitment into WorldWide or Eurofleet for a very long time, all new hires at Heathrow are Mixed Fleet. As people retire or leave, more routes switch to Mixed Fleet. But routes sometimes switch back again, in the interests of making up sensible blocks of work for crews, or because an aircraft type change needs crew qualified on the aircraft family to be used. UK CAA regulations only allow cabin crew to be current on 3 aircraft families at a time, and BA Heathrow have rather more types than that!
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:25 pm

Rookie87 wrote:
qcpilotxf wrote:
travaz wrote:
Maybe AA could throw in a 332 seeing how the JV is metal neutral.


I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like this happen, once there is a bit of slack in the AA heavies i would be willing to be we will see 2x daily split between Ba and AA. But who knows how long that might be. It also doesn't help that PHX doesn't have a crew base for the A330.


The FAs are getting trained on the A330


The issue isn't the FAs, alot of PHX based FAs have always been able to fly on the A330. The issue is there are no A330 pilots based in PHX so they would have to rotate in from other bases
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:04 pm

Interesting figures on the cargo from the hottest part of the year. Cactus Jelly, microchips, and cotton, copper and citrus come to mind at least Eastbound. What's the puff up on the Westbound?
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:33 pm

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Interesting figures on the cargo from the hottest part of the year. Cactus Jelly, microchips, and cotton, copper and citrus come to mind at least Eastbound. What's the puff up on the Westbound?


Don't forget almonds, too. LOTS of nut tree groves down in the Tucson area!!!

And yes, I wondered about the higher INBOUND cargo volumes vs. outbound. What is coming IN?
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:52 pm

My personal experience with this flight as a Phoenix local involves a little game I play with myself: My job mostly has me traveling over to California for the week, and returning home on Friday. But occasionally, I have to work in downtown Phoenix instead, and because I live in the East Valley, in Mesa, I typically see the BA 747 on approach on my commute home; as long as it is running on schedule, it arrives in the late afternoon. Accordingly, I'll check Flightaware throughout the day and track the flight's progress as a proxy for how much longer my day is going to be. So in other words, assuming the flight wasn't delayed, if it is still over, say the southern tip of Greenland, I know I've got a long way to go yet.
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:17 pm

KRIC777 wrote:
My personal experience with this flight as a Phoenix local involves a little game I play with myself: My job mostly has me traveling over to California for the week, and returning home on Friday. But occasionally, I have to work in downtown Phoenix instead, and because I live in the East Valley, in Mesa, I typically see the BA 747 on approach on my commute home; as long as it is running on schedule, it arrives in the late afternoon. Accordingly, I'll check Flightaware throughout the day and track the flight's progress as a proxy for how much longer my day is going to be. So in other words, assuming the flight wasn't delayed, if it is still over, say the southern tip of Greenland, I know I've got a long way to go yet.


Yeah, I get to see it just about every day depending on when I leave and when it comes in. I work in Arcadia and live in east Mesa, so his approach path is usually right over the 202 when I'm on it.
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:29 pm

KRIC777 wrote:
My personal experience with this flight as a Phoenix local involves a little game I play with myself: My job mostly has me traveling over to California for the week, and returning home on Friday. But occasionally, I have to work in downtown Phoenix instead, and because I live in the East Valley, in Mesa, I typically see the BA 747 on approach on my commute home; as long as it is running on schedule, it arrives in the late afternoon. Accordingly, I'll check Flightaware throughout the day and track the flight's progress as a proxy for how much longer my day is going to be. So in other words, assuming the flight wasn't delayed, if it is still over, say the southern tip of Greenland, I know I've got a long way to go yet.


I have been doing this for years as well! Remember when I was a kid when it came into view across the McDowells it was almost time for high school practice to be over. The view of the BA 747 coming into land still gets me every time.
 
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Re: BA LHR-PHX Future

Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:03 pm

qcpilotxf wrote:
Rookie87 wrote:
qcpilotxf wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like this happen, once there is a bit of slack in the AA heavies i would be willing to be we will see 2x daily split between Ba and AA. But who knows how long that might be. It also doesn't help that PHX doesn't have a crew base for the A330.


The FAs are getting trained on the A330


The issue isn't the FAs, alot of PHX based FAs have always been able to fly on the A330. The issue is there are no A330 pilots based in PHX so they would have to rotate in from other bases


No issue and AFAIK PHX based FAs have recently been offered qualification classes to do A330 Training due to the Hawaii flights being on it instead of the 757, which contradicts your statement that they’ve always been able to. But still, no pilot base, meaning FAs are the bigger but easier (maybe) issue...so why would LHR be an issue? Is RDU a 777 pilot base for AA?

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