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SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:54 am

Do any of the south africans here maybe know what aircraft and years
SAS went from CPH to JNB
I know I went on a DC8 once but that was after having been on a DC10
on the same route I am sure... Thanks in advance
 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:00 am

In 1953 SAS extended the NBO service to also call on JNB. Equipment would have been DC-7. The service ended in 1985, when the 3 SAS owners (DK, NO & SE) withdrew the traffic rights in protest over the Apartheid politics. At that time they operated one weekly flight 'with 142 seats', indicating equipment would have been a DC-8.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985 ... copenhagen
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:39 pm

SAS Dc-10 in Johannesburg 1979:

 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:10 pm

Hello,

Johannesburg was closed in September 1985.
 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:27 pm

Pottok wrote:
Hello,

Johannesburg was closed in September 1985.


I believe you meant SAS services to JNB, right?
Last time I checked JNB was quite open and active...
 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:42 pm

In January 1982 I flew Copenhagen, Nairobi, Johannesburg in a DC10.

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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:34 pm

I work for SAS in JNB from 1974 to 1978 we operated a DC8 on Thursdays northbound JNB NBO ATH VIE CPH. Mostly in 1974, this was operated with a DC-8-62 but at busy times a 63 was used. There was a quota system which technically restricted the uplift from JNB to 70 pax. This was changed to 110 in around 1975, I'm not sure if that was official but it was in effect. also at school holiday times there didn't seem to be a limit. As far as I can remember there wasn't a restriction on the cargo uplift.
Sometime in late 1976 or early 1977 the DC-8 was replaced by a DC10. I remember flying on a DC10 JNBNBOATH with my fiance in Sep 1977 but some time after that the ATH stop was dropped and the route was JNBNBOVIECPH which is what it remained until 1985 as far as I know.
We always had the same crew as they were based in NBO. Great job they had as they did NBOJNBNBO once a week and NBODARNBO once a week.
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:12 pm

So long ago I forgot it was Copenhagen, Vienna, Nairobi, Johannesburg.

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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:24 pm

cv990Coronado wrote:
I work for SAS in JNB from 1974 to 1978 we operated a DC8 on Thursdays northbound JNB NBO ATH VIE CPH. Mostly in 1974, this was operated with a DC-8-62 but at busy times a 63 was used. There was a quota system which technically restricted the uplift from JNB to 70 pax. This was changed to 110 in around 1975, I'm not sure if that was official but it was in effect. also at school holiday times there didn't seem to be a limit. As far as I can remember there wasn't a restriction on the cargo uplift.
Sometime in late 1976 or early 1977 the DC-8 was replaced by a DC10. I remember flying on a DC10 JNBNBOATH with my fiance in Sep 1977 but some time after that the ATH stop was dropped and the route was JNBNBOVIECPH which is what it remained until 1985 as far as I know.
We always had the same crew as they were based in NBO. Great job they had as they did NBOJNBNBO once a week and NBODARNBO once a week.


That's fascinating. Thank you for your recollections!
 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:32 pm

Flightnumber was SK961....
 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:34 pm

Flightnumber was SK961....
 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:25 pm

Thanks for all the info. i thought i remembered landing in Vienna at some time too but
I was also on a KLM DC8 once from Zimbabwe to Holland that went to Kilimanjaro, Khartoum and
Vienna first. But it was the SAS info I wanted. Thanks again.
 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:33 pm

Pottok wrote:
Hello,

Johannesburg was closed in September 1985.


Was it closed for economic or political reasons?
 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:17 am

kjeld0d wrote:
Pottok wrote:
Hello,

Johannesburg was closed in September 1985.


Was it closed for economic or political reasons?


I think most probably more economic but in those days there was better PR using the political card.

Upon reflection, I think the Athens stop was dropped at the traditional end Oct schedule changed in October 1977. The Athens stop was useful especially from May to October and in those does Olympic Airways were often on strike. I remember some flights in July 1976 operating with a DC-8-63 with a nearly full load from Johannesburg.
Just a few pax got on and off in NBO.
It was interesting with the DC-8-62 which at the time had the longest nonstop range before the 747SP arrived. The range was about 6000 ie CPHLAX or CPHBKK non stop but when we filled her at ex JNB I think 2500 was about it. A combination of altitude and heat, mainly altitude as the flight departed JNB at 1750 although that could be around 25C in summer. Those stretched 8's were wonderful but the DC10 was great for cargo. We could lift 21 tons where the 8 rarely had more than a few tons onboard northbound but more southbound.
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Re: SAS at JNB

Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:52 am

National's use was probably also pretty low (ie Scandinavian people living in Southern Africa) in comparrison to TP, AZ, OA, LY
I can't say I especially remember feeling a part of some greater Scand. (Norwegian in our case) community in the way that
the Italians and Portuguese still do down there. Lots of British to fill BA but LH KL could connect anyone to anywhere.
Even then my dad was an SAA fan with those long long nights over the ocean...
 
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Re: SAS at JNB

Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:17 am

@TFFIP It was a long time ago but when the ATH stop existed May to Sep/ Oct the loads was about 10 -15 NBO 40 --70 ATH 20 - 40 VIE and about 40 CPH . In the European winter the VIE load went up and the Athens one went down unless OA were on strike. When ATH was dropped we marketed VIE and it was an excellent connection point to most of Europe. In those days the connection time was 45mins and it worked. On the Thursday BA flew JNBNBOZRHLON they were a terrible airline. At least one flight a month they would give us their NBO and ZRH pax plus some London ones due to a delay. Their staff in JNB were great and so efficient some might say cynically they were used to handling delays. There could be some truth in that, I once remember a Lufthansa delay, what an absolute shambles they didn't have a clue what to do.
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