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2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:28 pm

Now that the bracket is out, time to get this going, To start things off, here are the charters for the First Four games in Dayton:

Arizona State: SY8647 PHX-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/SCX8647
LIU Brooklyn: SY8633 EWR-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/SCX8633
North Carolina Central: LL633 RDU-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/BSK633
Radford: Can't find anything. Bussing, maybe?
St. Bonaventure: LL631 BUF-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/BSK631
Syracuse: SY8618 SYR-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/SCX8618
Texas Southern: LL632 HOU-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/BSK632
UCLA: SY8601 LAX-DAY (B738): https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/SCX8601
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:32 pm

To answer the yearly question: no, schools don't pay for the flights themselves.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:10 pm

sw733 wrote:
To answer the yearly question: no, schools don't pay for the flights themselves.


To compound that, the cheerleaders and pep band are also part of the charter which as you stated, is paid for by the NCAA and not the teams themselves.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:31 am

KBUF wrote:
Radford: Can't find anything. Bussing, maybe?


Most likely driving; it's under 350 miles which is the official cutoff. They may get a flight home if they lose since there will be a charter on call in the event that LIU Brooklyn loses, although driving one direction and flying back is much less common than it once was.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:59 am

It's the first four games, so everyone is either going home or to the next site. The winner of LIU-Radford only has to go to Pittsburgh so may be bussing anyways...

Edit: that's a rough 350 miles over the Appalachians, if they have to bus that trip the NCAA needs to reevaluate.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:59 am

adtall wrote:
It's the first four games, so everyone is either going home or to the next site. The winner of LIU-Radford only has to go to Pittsburgh so may be bussing anyways...

Edit: that's a rough 350 miles over the Appalachians, if they have to bus that trip the NCAA needs to reevaluate.


It's 260 miles from Dayton to Pittsburgh, so that's more likely than not going to be a bus trip for whomever wins that game.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:05 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
adtall wrote:
It's the first four games, so everyone is either going home or to the next site. The winner of LIU-Radford only has to go to Pittsburgh so may be bussing anyways...

Edit: that's a rough 350 miles over the Appalachians, if they have to bus that trip the NCAA needs to reevaluate.


It's 260 miles from Dayton to Pittsburgh, so that's more likely than not going to be a bus trip for whomever wins that game.


Apologies for being unclear, I was referring to Radford bussing from Radford, VA to Dayton.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:58 pm

Radford did indeed bus to Dayton per their twitter posts.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:41 pm

Thursday Games:

Boise, ID

Dallas

Wichita

Pittsburgh
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:18 am

Here is the link to the NCAA Championship travel policy: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 171009.pdf
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:51 am

adtall wrote:
It's the first four games, so everyone is either going home or to the next site. The winner of LIU-Radford only has to go to Pittsburgh so may be bussing anyways...

Edit: that's a rough 350 miles over the Appalachians, if they have to bus that trip the NCAA needs to reevaluate.
While I think 350 miles is kind of long, that isn't that bad of a drive. It is highway most of the way.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:16 am

910A wrote:
Here is the link to the NCAA Championship travel policy: http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 171009.pdf



Thanks for sharing. Kind of an interesting read.

Apparently, it is suggested to input all of your information for basketball early in the fall, so that IF you qualify, setting up the travel is pretty much already done.

I also wonder how Swift, Sun Country, Xtra, etc plan the routes. I could see them flying into a city and picking up a school, dropping them at Dallas, then turning around to pick up another school that is perhaps closer to the site so they can get the most usage out of plane and crew.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:27 am

It may not be as glamourous to bus it, but for shorter trips, especially when the weather is poor, it might be faster. Even charters get delayed.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:33 am

cledaybuck wrote:
adtall wrote:
It's the first four games, so everyone is either going home or to the next site. The winner of LIU-Radford only has to go to Pittsburgh so may be bussing anyways...

Edit: that's a rough 350 miles over the Appalachians, if they have to bus that trip the NCAA needs to reevaluate.


While I think 350 miles is kind of long, that isn't that bad of a drive. It is highway most of the way.


In most cases, it's probably highway/Interstate driving (ie. Villanova has a straight shot out the Pennsylvania Turnpike to Pittsburgh), though that might not always be the case.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:34 am

brn2Bwld92 wrote:
Thursday Games:

Boise, ID

Dallas

Wichita

Pittsburgh


Nice work. I think Texas Tech may have flown WN (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KLBB/KDAL). That's a charter flight number on LBB-DAL. As for Rhode Island, PVD Is still sort of a mess.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:45 am

brn2Bwld92 wrote:
Thursday Games:
Pittsburgh


Confirmed via URI's Twitter that URI travelled to Pittsburgh via bus:

https://twitter.com/RhodyMBB/status/973410511822950400

A check of Flightaware showed flights into and out of PVD cancelled on Tuesday.

I did find it interesting that Oklahoma and Texas Tech flew WN instead of one of the 'preferred' NCAA charter carriers like SY or LL (or, for that matter, G4, as was the case with Iona). As I understand it, teams typically will book charter flights via the NCAA's official travel agency, but, as I saw during the D2 football playoffs, a few of the Texas/Oklahoma/Arkansas schools would use WN. I guess if teams have a preferred carrier, as is the case with most Big 12 schools (particularly, the Texas schools, the Okie schools and the University of Kansas with WN), they can make such arrangements.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:57 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
I did find it interesting that Oklahoma and Texas Tech flew WN instead of one of the 'preferred' NCAA charter carriers like SY or LL (or, for that matter, G4, as was the case with Iona). As I understand it, teams typically will book charter flights via the NCAA's official travel agency, but, as I saw during the D2 football playoffs, a few of the Texas/Oklahoma/Arkansas schools would use WN. I guess if teams have a preferred carrier, as is the case with most Big 12 schools (particularly, the Texas schools, the Okie schools and the University of Kansas with WN), they can make such arrangements.


As I recall though, Oklahoma went with UA during the regular season. A lot of ExpressJet 145 trips. Football also went on UA 738s and 739s.

How does this work for the Women's Tournament? I know Oklahoma Women are playing in CLL on Friday. Do they bus even if it's ~500mi?
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:34 am

Wow I live in BOI and haven't noticed these SY and other charters. I doubt I'll see them soon after
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:47 am

LOWS wrote:
As I recall though, Oklahoma went with UA during the regular season. A lot of ExpressJet 145 trips. Football also went on UA 738s and 739s.


I do recall seeing a lot of OU football charters on UA (though there was one possible WN charter flight I spotted last football season to CMH - I think it was OKC-CMH, but don't quote me on it). FWIW, More often than not, the non-revenue (ie. sports other than football, basketball, soccer, baseball, etc.) will fly regular commercial. When I flew WN DAL-PIT last month, the University of Pittsburgh women's gymnastics team was on my flight and they boarded just like any other passenger.

How does this work for the Women's Tournament? I know Oklahoma Women are playing in CLL on Friday. Do they bus even if it's ~500mi?


The 350 mile ground/air transport perimeter applies to both men's and women's basketball. From the link posted earlier in this thread (http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 171009.pdf):

For Division I men’s and women’s basketball, any team that is located less than 350 miles from the site of competition will be required to drive.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:15 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
I did find it interesting that Oklahoma and Texas Tech flew WN instead of one of the 'preferred' NCAA charter carriers like SY or LL (or, for that matter, G4, as was the case with Iona). As I understand it, teams typically will book charter flights via the NCAA's official travel agency, but, as I saw during the D2 football playoffs, a few of the Texas/Oklahoma/Arkansas schools would use WN. I guess if teams have a preferred carrier, as is the case with most Big 12 schools (particularly, the Texas schools, the Okie schools and the University of Kansas with WN), they can make such arrangements.


The WN charters so far are consistent with what they have done for several years: a handful of flights that generally connect two WN stations. It has nothing to do with "preferred" carriers, as the NCAA chooses the carriers and makes the arrangements with very few exceptions (e.g. Kentucky self-paid to fly to Indianapolis a few years ago). You probably see more WN charters among Big 12 schools simply because WN flies to virtually every Big 12 city.

Here are the movements after yesterday's men's games:

LIU Brooklyn: G4 M83 DAY-EWR https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KDAY/KEWR
Radford: LL 738 DAY-PIT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK ... /KDAY/KPIT (I assume they got to fly because of the short turnaround to the game on Thursday)

St. Bonaventure: LL 738 DAY-DAL https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK ... /KDAY/KDAL
UCLA: ?
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:46 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
The WN charters so far are consistent with what they have done for several years: a handful of flights that generally connect two WN stations. It has nothing to do with "preferred" carriers, as the NCAA chooses the carriers and makes the arrangements with very few exceptions (e.g. Kentucky self-paid to fly to Indianapolis a few years ago). You probably see more WN charters among Big 12 schools simply because WN flies to virtually every Big 12 city.


I don't think it's exclusive to WN stations, since one of the Kansas schools (KU or Kansas State) would fly WN out of Topeka (FOE) instead of MCI. WN does fly to any airport in the US - WN station or not - which can support 737 operations. I'm curious if those flights are subject to reimbursement by the NCAA or not...
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:18 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
The WN charters so far are consistent with what they have done for several years: a handful of flights that generally connect two WN stations. It has nothing to do with "preferred" carriers, as the NCAA chooses the carriers and makes the arrangements with very few exceptions (e.g. Kentucky self-paid to fly to Indianapolis a few years ago). You probably see more WN charters among Big 12 schools simply because WN flies to virtually every Big 12 city.


I don't think it's exclusive to WN stations, since one of the Kansas schools (KU or Kansas State) would fly WN out of Topeka (FOE) instead of MCI. WN does fly to any airport in the US - WN station or not - which can support 737 operations. I'm curious if those flights are subject to reimbursement by the NCAA or not...


WN absolutely operates charters to all sorts of airports, but with regard to the NCAA men's basketball tournament specifically the vast majority of their charters connect two WN stations. In fact, I can think of only one WN tournament charter in the past five years that does not meet that definition; I believe it was picking up Oklahoma State from SWO.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:19 pm

UCLA's flight home is a G4 M83 DAY-LAX https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KDAY/KLAX
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:13 pm

I'll take the women's charters this year....

FRIDAY WOMEN:
Columbia Bracket
CAL -
UVA - May drive (359 miles door to door)

SCar - HOST
NCAT - Driving to Columbia

South Bend Bracket
ND - HOST
CSUN-

SDSU - DL A319 FSD-SBN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/DAL8916-1520982693-0-1-19
NOVA -

College Station Bracket
DePaul -
OU - MAY drive (357 miles door to door)

TAMU - HOST
Drake -

Eugene Bracket
GB -
MIN - DL A320 MSP-EUG https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/DAL8917-1520976580-1-1-83

ORE - HOST
SEA - Driving to Eugene

Raleigh Region
UMD - driving

Princeton -
NCST - Host
Elon - Driving to Raleigh

Louisville Bracket
LOU - driving
Boise ST -

MARQUETTE -
Dayton - Driving to Louisville

Knoxville Bracket
OR ST -
WKY - Driving

TENN - Host
Liberty - Driving to Knoxville

Waco Bracket
Michigan -
Northern CO

Baylor - HOST
Grambling - Driving

This will fill in as the day goes on!
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:15 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
The WN charters so far are consistent with what they have done for several years: a handful of flights that generally connect two WN stations. It has nothing to do with "preferred" carriers, as the NCAA chooses the carriers and makes the arrangements with very few exceptions (e.g. Kentucky self-paid to fly to Indianapolis a few years ago). You probably see more WN charters among Big 12 schools simply because WN flies to virtually every Big 12 city.


I don't think it's exclusive to WN stations, since one of the Kansas schools (KU or Kansas State) would fly WN out of Topeka (FOE) instead of MCI. WN does fly to any airport in the US - WN station or not - which can support 737 operations. I'm curious if those flights are subject to reimbursement by the NCAA or not...


I wonder that if the trip is between two WN stations, WN is simply able to offer the NCAA the best price for the charter as it has no positioning costs.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:33 pm

Had wondered where St. Bonaventure traveled from- that trip between Olean and BUF is no treat. Heck of a home court advantage for them.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:55 pm

On that original St. Bonnies flight BUF-DAY. Why BUF? They drove 75 miles north to BUF to fly south to DAY? Why not BFD in Pennsylvania?
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:09 pm

WeatherPilot wrote:
On that original St. Bonnies flight BUF-DAY. Why BUF? They drove 75 miles north to BUF to fly south to DAY? Why not BFD in Pennsylvania?


Since I've been following NCAA tournament charters (12 years or so), the use of airports without commercial service has gone down quite dramatically. I don't know if it is an issue of the carriers who have taken over the brunt of the work not liking tertiary airports, NCAA preference, cost concerns on one side or the other, or something else altogether. Ten years ago, the roster of carriers who operated charters was quite a bit more diverse and included several of the legacies.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:27 pm

Arkansas looks to be using Allegiant

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KXNA/KDTW
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:15 pm

Friday Men's Games (or at least about half of them):

Virginia: Driving to Charlotte
UMBC 7Q CR2 BWI-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MNU ... /KBWI/KCLT (band and cheerleaders likely drove)

Creighton:
Kansas State:

Nevada: SY 738 RNO-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KRNO/KBNA
Texas:

Cincinnati: Driving to Nashville
Georgia State: Driving to Nashville

Xavier: Driving to Nashville
Play-in:

Missouri:
Florida State: DL M88 TLH-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTLH/KBNA

Texas A&M
Providence: G4 319 PVD-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KPVD/KCLT

North Carolina: Driving to Charlotte
Lipscomb: XP 738 BNA-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KBNA/KCLT

West Virginia:
Murray State: SY 738 PAH-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KPAH/KSAN

Wichita State:
Marshall:

Arkansas: G4 M83 XNA-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KXNA/KDTW
Butler: Driving to Detroit

Purdue: Driving to Detroit
CSU Fullerton: SY 738 ONT-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KONT/KDTW

Clemson: WQ 734 GSP-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ ... /KGSP/KSAN
New Mexico State: SY 738 LRU-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KLRU/KSAN

Auburn: SY 738 MGM-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KMGM/KSAN
Charleston: SY 738 CHS-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KCHS/KSAN

TCU:
Playin:

Michigan State: Driving to Detroit
Bucknell:
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:27 pm

Wichita State: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8649/history/20180314/1830Z/KICT/KSAN

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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:31 pm

Looks like UVA flew to Charlotte. Perhaps paid for the charter themselves since it was inside 350 miles?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/LOF462
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:36 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Friday Men's Games (or at least about half of them):

Virginia: Driving to Charlotte
UMBC 7Q CR2 BWI-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MNU ... /KBWI/KCLT (band and cheerleaders likely drove)

Creighton:
Kansas State:

Nevada: SY 738 RNO-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KRNO/KBNA
Texas:

Cincinnati: Driving to Nashville
Georgia State: Driving to Nashville

Xavier: Driving to Nashville
Play-in:

Missouri:
Florida State: DL M88 TLH-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTLH/KBNA

Texas A&M
Providence: G4 319 PVD-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KPVD/KCLT

North Carolina: Driving to Charlotte
Lipscomb: XP 738 BNA-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KBNA/KCLT

West Virginia:
Murray State: SY 738 PAH-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KPAH/KSAN

Wichita State:
Marshall:

Arkansas: G4 M83 XNA-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KXNA/KDTW
Butler: Driving to Detroit

Purdue: Driving to Detroit
CSU Fullerton: SY 738 ONT-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KONT/KDTW

Clemson: WQ 734 GSP-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ ... /KGSP/KSAN
New Mexico State: SY 738 LRU-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KLRU/KSAN

Auburn: SY 738 MGM-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KMGM/KSAN
Charleston: SY 738 CHS-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KCHS/KSAN

TCU:
Playin:

Michigan State: Driving to Detroit
Bucknell:


For the Missouri Men's Basketball team: Xtra Airways B734 to BNA from COU:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KCOU/KBNA
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:36 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Missouri:
Florida State: DL M88 TLH-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTLH/KBNA


For the Missouri Men's Basketball team: Xtra Airways B734 to BNA from COU:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KCOU/KBNA
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:46 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Virginia: Driving to Charlotte
UMBC 7Q CR2 BWI-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MNU ... /KBWI/KCLT (band and cheerleaders likely drove)


It also generally used to be more frequent in the past where the band/cheer squads traveled separate from team--even by plane. I was in band and back in 2011 NCAA Tourney, we (band/cheer) flew a day later than the team--we got a Regional Jet with a business class configuration (wider leather seats, extra legroom, seats facing another with tables in between, etc.). Every trip I was on after that, we were on a B737/A319/MD88 size aircraft with the team.

However, UMBC is still 430 miles away, so I imagine band/cheer would follow the same travel mode as team. Perhaps they're flying later, or UMBC decided not to send a band (I've seen that before too and they "rent" a local HS or college band and give them some team shirts to wear). I noticed that there were some UD pep band shirts in either the LIU-Brooklyn or Radford band last night. If UMBC decided not to send a band, then maybe the whole travel party could indeed fit on a CRJ.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:46 pm

I'll take the women's charters this year....

FRIDAY WOMEN: UPDATED
Columbia Bracket
CAL - G4 MD-83! OAK-CAE https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4401/history/20180314/1900Z/KOAK/KCAE
UVA - May drive (359 miles door to door)

SCar - HOST
NCAT - Driving to Columbia

South Bend Bracket
ND - HOST
CSUN- LL 738 LAX-SBN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK641/history/20180314/1900Z/KLAX/KSBN

SDSU - DL A319 FSD-SBN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/DAL8916-1520982693-0-1-19
NOVA - World MD-83 PHL-SBN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/WAL141/history/20180314/2000Z/KPHL/KSBN

College Station Bracket
DePaul - LL 738 MDW-CLL https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK642/history/20180314/1900Z/KMDW/KCLL
OU - MAY drive (357 miles door to door)

TAMU - HOST
Drake - XP 734 DSM-CLL https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP715/history/20180314/1800Z/KDSM/KCLL

Eugene Bracket
GB -
MIN - DL A320 MSP-EUG https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/DAL8917-1520976580-1-1-83

ORE - HOST
SEA - Driving to Eugene

Raleigh Region
UMD - driving
Princeton - Ameristar 732? TTN-RDU https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AJI9515/history/20180314/1300Z/KTTN/KRDU

NCST - Host
Elon - Driving to Raleigh

Louisville Bracket
LOU - driving
Boise ST - SY 738 BOI-SDF https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8625/history/20180314/1700Z/KBOI/KSDF

MARQUETTE - XP 734 MKE-SDF https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP768/history/20180314/2000Z/KMKE/KSDF
Dayton - Driving to Louisville

Knoxville Bracket
OR ST -
WKY - Driving

TENN - Host
Liberty - Driving to Knoxville

Waco Bracket
Michigan - LL 734 YIP-ACT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK643
Northern CO - 7Q CR7 FNL-ACT (assuming no band traveling) https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MNU4964

Baylor - HOST
Grambling - Driving
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:12 pm

Looks like UVA flew to Charlotte.. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/LOF462

Wonder if it was on their own dime since it was within 350 Miles.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:27 pm

brn2Bwld92 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Virginia: Driving to Charlotte
UMBC 7Q CR2 BWI-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MNU ... /KBWI/KCLT (band and cheerleaders likely drove)


It also generally used to be more frequent in the past where the band/cheer squads traveled separate from team--even by plane. I was in band and back in 2011 NCAA Tourney, we (band/cheer) flew a day later than the team--we got a Regional Jet with a business class configuration (wider leather seats, extra legroom, seats facing another with tables in between, etc.). Every trip I was on after that, we were on a B737/A319/MD88 size aircraft with the team.

However, UMBC is still 430 miles away, so I imagine band/cheer would follow the same travel mode as team. Perhaps they're flying later, or UMBC decided not to send a band (I've seen that before too and they "rent" a local HS or college band and give them some team shirts to wear). I noticed that there were some UD pep band shirts in either the LIU-Brooklyn or Radford band last night. If UMBC decided not to send a band, then maybe the whole travel party could indeed fit on a CRJ.


Yup, and in the past sometimes band and cheerleaders did the trip with one mode one direction and another way another. I remember a trip where our band drove up (CLT-DAY essentially) but then were on a 737 (?) back with the team. That''s a similar distance to BWI-CLT, but it was also more than a decade ago.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:38 pm

With some help from my friends, I think we have filled in the vast majority of Friday's games:

Virginia: Driving to Charlotte
UMBC 7Q CR2 BWI-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MNU ... /KBWI/KCLT (band and cheerleaders likely drove)

Creighton: SY 738 OMA-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KOMA/KCLT
Kansas State:

Nevada: SY 738 RNO-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KRNO/KBNA
Texas:

Cincinnati: Driving to Nashville
Georgia State: Driving to Nashville

Xavier: Driving to Nashville
Play-in:

Missouri: XP 734 COU-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KCOU/KBNA
Florida State: DL M88 TLH-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTLH/KBNA

Texas A&M: WQ 738 CLL-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ ... /KCLL/KCLT
Providence: G4 319 PVD-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KPVD/KCLT

North Carolina: Driving to Charlotte
Lipscomb: XP 738 BNA-CLT https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KBNA/KCLT

West Virginia: SY 738 CKB-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KCKB/KSAN
Murray State: SY 738 PAH-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KPAH/KSAN

Wichita State: SY 738 ICT-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KICT/KSAN
Marshall: WQ 733 HTS-TUL-SAN (?) https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ7611

Arkansas: G4 M83 XNA-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KXNA/KDTW
Butler: Driving to Detroit

Purdue: Driving to Detroit
CSU Fullerton: SY 738 ONT-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KONT/KDTW

Clemson: WQ 734 GSP-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ ... /KGSP/KSAN
New Mexico State: SY 738 LRU-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KLRU/KSAN

Auburn: SY 738 MGM-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KMGM/KSAN
Charleston: SY 738 CHS-SAN https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KCHS/KSAN

TCU: G4 320 FTW-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KFTW/KDTW
Playin:

Michigan State: Driving to Detroit
Bucknell: SY 738 MDT-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KMDT/KDTW
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:35 pm

Per Xavier instagram, it appears they flew to Nashville as well, despite being with 350 mile distance.

WQ7604 CVG-BNA (B734) - https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ ... /KCVG/KBNA
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:38 pm

jco613 wrote:
College Station Bracket
DePaul -
OU - MAY drive (357 miles door to door)


OU Women:
Swift 738

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/wq7651

https://twitter.com/OU_WBBall/status/97 ... 31936?s=19
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:20 am

mcg wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
The WN charters so far are consistent with what they have done for several years: a handful of flights that generally connect two WN stations. It has nothing to do with "preferred" carriers, as the NCAA chooses the carriers and makes the arrangements with very few exceptions (e.g. Kentucky self-paid to fly to Indianapolis a few years ago). You probably see more WN charters among Big 12 schools simply because WN flies to virtually every Big 12 city.


I don't think it's exclusive to WN stations, since one of the Kansas schools (KU or Kansas State) would fly WN out of Topeka (FOE) instead of MCI. WN does fly to any airport in the US - WN station or not - which can support 737 operations. I'm curious if those flights are subject to reimbursement by the NCAA or not...


I wonder that if the trip is between two WN stations, WN is simply able to offer the NCAA the best price for the charter as it has no positioning costs.


Guys. The issue is availability, not price. There is all sorts of well-reported stuff about this in the media from a year or two ago. There are a limited number of carriers. The NCAA takes what it can get. The major carriers are generally-uninterested these days in doing these charters, but they will provide a few aircraft on a few charters if they can make it work. So that's why you see some WN, DL, etc., flights where the aircraft availability (e.g. between stations) will permit. At certain points, it becomes a very complicated ballet. And the airlines don't determine what goes where; the NCAA does. The NCAA basically spends all year planning to the extent it can for this.

You don't see too much Allegiant these days because Allegiant is less-interested in the business than it once was, whereas it used to be a bigger contributor of aircraft. You see lots of Swift and Miami Air and Xtra because these outfits want/need/encourage/plan-for this business (as do to a certain extent Kaiser and Sun Country), and so they get it.

As a general, admittedly-obnoxious, generalization, IMHO there is no certificated US carrier too crappy for the NCAA to use. The assumption is that if they're licensed, they are safe enough. See, because all pilots and maintenance are the same. :roll: They'll continue to think that way until there's another Marshall. Then it will change.

Hope that helps.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:31 am

brn2Bwld92 wrote:
Per Xavier instagram, it appears they flew to Nashville as well, despite being with 350 mile distance.

WQ7604 CVG-BNA (B734) - https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ ... /KCVG/KBNA


I suspect that one may have been self-funded in view of the fact that Cincinnati, who had an identical trip, apparently did not fly.

Texas flew SY AUS-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KAUS/KBNA

Kansas State took SY too (MHK-CLT) https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KMHK/KCLT
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:18 am

WeatherPilot wrote:
On that original St. Bonnies flight BUF-DAY. Why BUF? They drove 75 miles north to BUF to fly south to DAY? Why not BFD in Pennsylvania?


I doubt that BFD would be able to accommodate a 737 the way BUF can.
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jco613
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:44 pm

LOWS wrote:
jco613 wrote:
College Station Bracket
DePaul -
OU - MAY drive (357 miles door to door)


OU Women:
Swift 738

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/wq7651

https://twitter.com/OU_WBBall/status/97 ... 31936?s=19


on the Eastern bird at that!
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:52 pm

Tuesday Men's Games:

North Carolina Central: XP 734 DAY-RDU https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KDAY/KRDU
Texas Southern: SY 738 DAY-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KDAY/KBNA

Arizona State: XP 738 DAY-PHX https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KDAY/KPHX
Syracuse: SY 738 DAY-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KDAY/KDTW
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:05 pm

For the NCAA Women's Tournament, Missouri is chartering a Sun Country B738 flying out of COU for SJC (vs FGCU on 3/17):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KCOU/KSJC
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:07 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Tuesday Men's Games:

North Carolina Central: XP 734 DAY-RDU https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KDAY/KRDU
Texas Southern: SY 738 DAY-BNA https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KDAY/KBNA

Arizona State: XP 738 DAY-PHX https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP ... /KDAY/KPHX
Syracuse: SY 738 DAY-DTW https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX ... /KDAY/KDTW


Syracuse got "right out of dodge" didn't they.
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Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament Charters

Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:32 pm

couple of loose ends for tomorrow's women:

OU - Swift 738 as mentioned

UVA- SY 738 CHO-CAE https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8626/history/20180314/2330Z/KCHO/KCAE

GB- WQ 734 GRB-EUG https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ7659/history/20180314/2348Z/KGRB/KEUG

ORST- G4 MD83 EUG-TYS https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4406/history/20180314/2100Z/KEUG/KTYS

FRIDAY WOMEN:
Storrs Bracket
UCONN - Host
SFPA - LL738 UNV-BDL https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK646/history/20180315/1400Z/KUNV/KBDL

Quinnipiac- Driving
Miami-

Athens Bracket
Duke- Driving
Belmont- Driving

Georgia- Host
Mercer- Driving

Tallahassee Bracket
USF-Driving
Buffalo- WQ 738 https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK646/history/20180315/1400Z/KUNV/KBDL

FSU-Host
UALR- G4 MD83 LIT-TLH https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4403

Columbus Bracket
LSU- SY 738 BTR-CMH https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8639
CMU - Driving

OHST - Host
Geo Washington - DL A319 IAD-CMH https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8917/history/20180315/1410Z/KIAD/KCMH

Starkville Bracket
MISS ST - HOST
Nicholls State-Driving

Syracuse LL 738 SYR-GTR (same plane as St. Francis PA) https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK647
Oklahoma State - (potential inbound https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP8711)

Los Angeles Bracket
Iowa - SY 738 CID-LAX https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8646
Creighton - SY 738 OMA-LAX https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8627/history/20180315/1700Z/KOMA/KLAX

UCLA-Host
American- G4 A319 IAD-LAX https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4301/history/20180314/2100Z/KIAD/KLAX

Austin Bracket
Arizona State-
Nebraska WN ALERT!!! WN 737 LNK-AUS (plane is flying in from DAL arriving at 4:27 CT) https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8054/history/20180315/2240Z/KLNK/KAUS

Texas- Host
Maine- WQ733 BGR-AUS https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ7654/history/20180315/1700Z/KBGR/KAUS

Stanford Bracket
Missouri- SY 738 COU-SJC https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8619/history/20180315/1700Z/KCOU/KSJC
FGCU - SY 738 RSW-SJC

Stanford - Host
Gonzaga -
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