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Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:01 pm

Welcome to the 2018 Thread for the Boeing 737-800 Boeing Converted Freighter (BCF) Conversion and Delivery. Please continue to add/post your comments and updates below.
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:41 pm

Total no-brainer this. The 737-400F conversion program is mature, but is now running low on feedstock with the ex-BA examples the latest to get yanked form the desert.

A lot of the 734F technical work will be easily grandfathered into the 738F and I expect it'll be the 757F replacement of choice as well. I can see numerous MRO operations offering the 738F going forward with the kits becoming available widely at good prices.
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:13 am

A question on the naming - why are freighters that are converted from Boeing's passenger aircraft called Boeing Converted Freighters? Are there, or have there been any other parties that do such conversions and carry a different name?
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:19 am

Erebus wrote:
A question on the naming - why are freighters that are converted from Boeing's passenger aircraft called Boeing Converted Freighters? Are there, or have there been any other parties that do such conversions and carry a different name?


Yes.

As you noted, a BCF is a freighter modified using a Boeing-engineered STC, though the work is performed by third-parties.

The other major passenger to freighter converter is Bedek Aviation Group / Israel Aerospace Industries who engineer their own STCs. They use the suffix BDSF for their freighter conversions.
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:30 am

Close. BDSF for Bedek converted models. They have delivered several -700s and are working on their -800 program. Boeing has delivered the first -800 BCF conversion and AEI, which is busy with -400s, MD-80 and CRJ-200 conversions is seemingly running way late with their -800 prototype, with the aircraft in conversion for over 10 months.

Here's last year's white paper with forecast of demand, feedstock and programs. http://www.iba.aero/wp-content/uploads/ ... g-2017.pdf
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:32 am

Makes sense. Thanks.

I suppose having multiple companies offering conversion programmes for the same aircraft helps operators bargain for better pricing/delivery.
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:24 am

Spacepope wrote:
Close. BDSF for Bedek converted models. They have delivered several -700s and are working on their -800 program. Boeing has delivered the first -800 BCF conversion and AEI, which is busy with -400s, MD-80 and CRJ-200 conversions is seemingly running way late with their -800 prototype, with the aircraft in conversion for over 10 months.

Here's last year's white paper with forecast of demand, feedstock and programs. http://www.iba.aero/wp-content/uploads/ ... g-2017.pdf


The first -800 is in conversion at Bedek as we speak (x Transaero frame with winglets)
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:26 am

Stupid question I am sure, but do cargo operators use the bulk hold on the 737F's, or just main deck?
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:45 am

AEI is scheduled to deliver a B738 to Ethiopian in June of this year, with the second example in January 2019, on lease from GECAS. I imagine these will replace their 757PFs.

Where is AEI doing the conversion work?


The AEI converted freighter accommodates eleven full height containers plus one AEP/AEH, a main deck payload of up to 52,000 lbs (23.5 tonnes) and has AEI's hydraulically-operated cargo door.

http://www.aircargonews.net/news/airlin ... hters.html

 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:54 am

I think a better thread would be an NG conversion thread, insofar as that's the major differentiation with conversions of the classics.

There's another thread where I laid all this out. There are a lot of folks talking about converting NGs, but precious few orders yet, and just the beginnings of affordable feedstock.

PEMCO has orders and has prototypes underway.
AEI, as mentioned, has some.
Bedek, as mentioned, has an STC for the -700 and completed and has delivered versions.
Boeing is managing BCFs, as mentioned. On what is a BCF, it isn't just using their STC. Boeing manages the process, choosing the conversion house to do the touch work on the frames as well as providing the STC and engineering.
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:46 am

JHwk wrote:
Stupid question I am sure, but do cargo operators use the bulk hold on the 737F's, or just main deck?

As on the 757F the belly bulk is certainly used, if the space is needed to move the freight, although of course it's preferable to load the main deck first.
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:19 pm

The first B738 BCF ferried Apr 15-16 VCV-EMA for Air Atlantic as reported by Skyliner.de.
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:06 pm

Spacepope wrote:
The first B738 BCF ferried Apr 15-16 VCV-EMA for Air Atlantic as reported by Skyliner.de.


Details and mock-up of the aircraft (and new livery) https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 737-800bcf

You'd think they were a German airline judging by the colours!
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:20 pm

Channex757 wrote:
A lot of the 734F technical work will be easily grandfathered into the 738F and I expect it'll be the 757F replacement of choice as well.


The 757 Freighters are a completely different class of capability.
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:43 pm

N328KF wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
A lot of the 734F technical work will be easily grandfathered into the 738F and I expect it'll be the 757F replacement of choice as well.


The 757 Freighters are a completely different class of capability.

well let's hear your opinion then

What can replace a 757 in today's market? Don't say "another 757" as that just makes you look stupid.

Narrowbody, relatively cheap to operate. What fits, or what is closest? Only one answer to me. A converted 738 replaces a 757F
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:24 pm

Channex757 wrote:
N328KF wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
A lot of the 734F technical work will be easily grandfathered into the 738F and I expect it'll be the 757F replacement of choice as well.


The 757 Freighters are a completely different class of capability.

well let's hear your opinion then

What can replace a 757 in today's market? Don't say "another 757" as that just makes you look stupid.

Narrowbody, relatively cheap to operate. What fits, or what is closest? Only one answer to me. A converted 738 replaces a 757F


A A321P2F would be a better match to replace a 757F.
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:42 pm

Neither the 737-800BCF nor the A321-200P2F are really "great" options. The A321 will offer about 87% of the volume and 69% of the payload weight, whereas the 738 is at 77% and 62%, respectively.

As such, the best replacement for a 757P2F is, frankly, another 757P2F.
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:57 pm

N328KF wrote:
The 757 Freighters are a completely different class of capability.


Many 757 freighters replaced the much smaller 727 freighters for the simple fact that more suitable direct replacements just didnt exist at the time.


mjoelnir wrote:
A A321P2F would be a better match to replace a 757F.


And it will be a very fine looking aircraft too. At least 2 companies are developing them right now, EFW in Germany, and an American company that is aiming for a 2019 EIS.
 
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:56 am

Image

This is a picture from: http://www.aircargonews.net/news/airlin ... ghter.html

The first 737-800BCF has been delivered. I believe it will be a successful program.

I like the quote from Mike Fleming, VP of commercial services in a Flightglobal article:

"For the first time, operators get one-stop-shop support throughout the lifecycle of a standard-body freighter – originally manufactured by Boeing, converted by Boeing, and supported by Boeing."


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ic-447850/
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Re: Boeing 737-800 BCF Conversion/Delivery Thread 2018

Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:39 am

How's the Status of TC-TJH? Another 737-800 that was supposed to get converted into a freighter but it's currently stored in Miami.

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