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Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:18 pm
by Adipasquale
Sorry if I'm bumping up an old thread, but I thought it would be better than starting a new one. I was wondering if anyone has any more info on FX's MD-10 fleet plan. Per planespotters.net, the last retirement took place about a year and a half ago. Are they still planning to retire them as they come up on their heavy checks, or has FX seen fit to keep the old girls flying on a bit longer?

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:45 pm
by ual763
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Adipasquale wrote:
Sorry if I'm bumping up an old thread, but I thought it would be better than starting a new one. I was wondering if anyone has any more info on FX's MD-10 fleet plan. Per planespotters.net, the last retirement took place about a year and a half ago. Are they still planning to retire them as they come up on their heavy checks, or has FX seen fit to keep the old girls flying on a bit longer?


I believe the plan is for the MD-10s to be replaced by the incoming 767s. But then again, the A310s are also being replaced by the 767. I imagine they'll be around, in some capacity, for a few more years.

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:09 pm
by Spacepope
Adipasquale wrote:
Sorry if I'm bumping up an old thread, but I thought it would be better than starting a new one. I was wondering if anyone has any more info on FX's MD-10 fleet plan. Per planespotters.net, the last retirement took place about a year and a half ago. Are they still planning to retire them as they come up on their heavy checks, or has FX seen fit to keep the old girls flying on a bit longer?

I saw a MD-10 headed to VCV a few weeks ago on Flightaware under a ferry number, but I'm not sure if it was for retirement or paint.

Interestingly enough checking the SDRs on a few active frames, it seems that several have undergone a heavy check recently so they may run some till Fedex runs out of engines (specifically as they are the last operator of the oddball CF-6-6 for the MD-10-10 fleet).

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:56 pm
by Blimpie
Caught N358FE coming in to BWI this past Sunday. I'll be honest, I swear FlightRadar24 listed this as a DC-10.

After seeing some of the comments on here, I Googled the N358FE and got a mixed of hits. Some saying DC-10-10F and others saying it is an MD-10-10F.

Quite honestly, it seems like semantics to me, and just glad I caught it.

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:25 am
by NWAROOSTER
N358FE was converted to a MD-10-10 when FedEx had it converted to freighter after it was bought from United Airlines. :old:

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:05 am
by 113312
ATC has no code for MD10 so for their purposes ONLY, it's still a DC-10

Re: RE: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:03 am
by Tan Flyr
nikeherc wrote:
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 29):
It says a lot about the original design, over-engineering and quality of MX by FedEx that these DC/MD-10's are still in daily use for decades.
I would say that, structurally and functionally, the DC-10 was over engineered. The engineering for some systems was probably deficient. Namely all three hydraulic systems were routed throug a small area near the center engine and there was no interlock to prevent asymmetric operations of the leading edge slats. Also, the floor vent system was inadequate as was the cargo door locking system. These four design issues led to three of the most notorious airline accidents in history, ruined the reputation of the DC-10 for a long time and killed its sales.

I hate to say this because I always preferred Douglas aircraft and the DC-10 was one of my favorite planes on which to travel. I am also one of the few people on this forum who thought that the DC-10 was better looking than the L-1011.



The DC 10 , in many ways, NOT ALL< was over engineered..as were all Douglas products. Perhaps the term "over built" might be more descriptive.The guys in Long Beach built more "utility" into their designs. Hence, the reason so many DC8 stretches (of all types) lived longer lives as cargo haulers for UPS, ATI and dozens of others, while the 707's were parted out for the USAF. The same I believe can be said for the DC 10, more possible "utility Life" designed overall.

And I agree, the DC10 was a better looking aircraft than the L-1011. And the stretch 8 in flight was a true beauty!

Re: RE: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:14 am
by Spacepope
Tan Flyr wrote:
nikeherc wrote:
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 29):
It says a lot about the original design, over-engineering and quality of MX by FedEx that these DC/MD-10's are still in daily use for decades.
I would say that, structurally and functionally, the DC-10 was over engineered. The engineering for some systems was probably deficient. Namely all three hydraulic systems were routed throug a small area near the center engine and there was no interlock to prevent asymmetric operations of the leading edge slats. Also, the floor vent system was inadequate as was the cargo door locking system. These four design issues led to three of the most notorious airline accidents in history, ruined the reputation of the DC-10 for a long time and killed its sales.

I hate to say this because I always preferred Douglas aircraft and the DC-10 was one of my favorite planes on which to travel. I am also one of the few people on this forum who thought that the DC-10 was better looking than the L-1011.



The DC 10 , in many ways, NOT ALL< was over engineered..as were all Douglas products. Perhaps the term "over built" might be more descriptive.The guys in Long Beach built more "utility" into their designs. Hence, the reason so many DC8 stretches (of all types) lived longer lives as cargo haulers for UPS, ATI and dozens of others, while the 707's were parted out for the USAF. The same I believe can be said for the DC 10, more possible "utility Life" designed overall.

And I agree, the DC10 was a better looking aircraft than the L-1011. And the stretch 8 in flight was a true beauty!

I really disagree. If the USAF had a DC-8 based tanker fleet, the civvie douglas fleet would have gotten the axe just as fast as the 707 did.

As for the DC-10, FedEx retired a lot of the fleet at around 80,000 hours and very few of the current fleet have much more than 100,000 hours on them. NW had some with over 125,000 at retirement. Decent, but the 767 is certified for 160,000 hours and I don't think people will consider that overbuilt.

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:57 am
by HPRamper
Spacepope wrote:
Adipasquale wrote:
Sorry if I'm bumping up an old thread, but I thought it would be better than starting a new one. I was wondering if anyone has any more info on FX's MD-10 fleet plan. Per planespotters.net, the last retirement took place about a year and a half ago. Are they still planning to retire them as they come up on their heavy checks, or has FX seen fit to keep the old girls flying on a bit longer?

I saw a MD-10 headed to VCV a few weeks ago on Flightaware under a ferry number, but I'm not sure if it was for retirement or paint.

Interestingly enough checking the SDRs on a few active frames, it seems that several have undergone a heavy check recently so they may run some till Fedex runs out of engines (specifically as they are the last operator of the oddball CF-6-6 for the MD-10-10 fleet).

It does appear FX has finally parked a couple of 10-10s after a very long hiatus. The fleet is down to 25 10-10s and 13 10-30s. The original plan was for the 10s to have been retired already, but FX can't get the 767s fast enough (even at 1-2 per month + 3 777s this year) and package volume has been increasing, so FX decided the lift was needed, so they kept them around. Should be getting another 10 or so 767s this calendar year, so we will likely see at least a couple more 10s parked.

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:39 am
by Goodyear
N365FE still flying. In the air right now actually.

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:13 am
by tomaheath
47 years young that’s incredible.

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:18 pm
by Adipasquale
Goodyear wrote:
N365FE still flying. In the air right now actually.

I have a FR24 alert on this bird, it's just so damn awesome she's still flying after all these years! To think where commercial aviation was when she entered service with UA to where it is now, while she's dutifully hauling packages for FX is just amazing!

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:52 pm
by United_fan
They occasionally sub our 767 with a -10 in ROC,hopefully they'll do it some more now that the days are getting longer.

Re: RE: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:01 pm
by na
Spacepope wrote:
As for the DC-10, FedEx retired a lot of the fleet at around 80,000 hours and very few of the current fleet have much more than 100,000 hours on them. NW had some with over 125,000 at retirement. Decent, but the 767 is certified for 160,000 hours and I don't think people will consider that overbuilt.


You can certify a lot. The 777 also is certified until whenever. However, many are being retired with just around 50.000 hours.
In real life the world record holders are several KLM 744s with around 140.000 hours on the clock.

Update on FX' MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:21 pm
by SQ22
I have created a new thread and moved the posts accordingly.

Please do nit kcik threads which have been inactive for a period exceeding six months.

Link to previous thread dating from two years ago:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=604827

Re: FedEx DC-10 Retirements

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:23 pm
by 747d10
Adipasquale wrote:
Goodyear wrote:
N365FE still flying. In the air right now actually.

I have a FR24 alert on this bird, it's just so damn awesome she's still flying after all these years! To think where commercial aviation was when she entered service with UA to where it is now, while she's dutifully hauling packages for FX is just amazing!

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I like how there is a record of a 1982 United flight from SFO to ORD shown on airfleets.net for this plane. Oh, how I wish I had recorded tail #s back in the day. I very likely flew on it at one time or another. (But then, so did who knows how many millions of other pax!)

Re: Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:47 pm
by Planeboy17
Blimpie wrote:
Caught N358FE coming in to BWI this past Sunday. I'll be honest, I swear FlightRadar24 listed this as a DC-10.

After seeing some of the comments on here, I Googled the N358FE and got a mixed of hits. Some saying DC-10-10F and others saying it is an MD-10-10F.

Quite honestly, it seems like semantics to me, and just glad I caught it.


An MD-10 is a DC-10 conversion with upgraded cockpit and only 2 pilots, no more flight engineer.

Re: Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:54 am
by UA444
Most of the ones they’ve kept have been the UA birds. At this rate they’ll be here for another few years. Good.

Re: Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:31 pm
by iahcsr
Wonder if any of FE first DC/MD-10s, which they bought from CO, are still flying? They didn’t change the reg#s N68049-056... IIRC 055 was a W/O a few years ago.

Re: Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:45 pm
by airzona11
Catching these birds are a real treat. Douglas planes certainly live up the overbuilt/built for utility frames. They are work horses.

Re: Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:57 pm
by thewizbizman
Besides all the talk but personally I think N306FE should be preserved or put in a museum. It was the aircraft involved in the FDX705 incident. The history of that aircraft is so rich and the importance of it is so high. It shows the dedication of flight crews around the world to their profession and the industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_E ... Flight_705

Re: Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:05 am
by aeromoe
iahcsr wrote:
Wonder if any of FE first DC/MD-10s, which they bought from CO, are still flying? They didn’t change the reg#s N68049-056... IIRC 055 was a W/O a few years ago.


Go check it out at planespotters dot net if you really want to know...the info is there.

Moe

Re: Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:18 am
by 747d10
iahcsr wrote:
Wonder if any of FE first DC/MD-10s, which they bought from CO, are still flying? They didn’t change the reg#s N68049-056... IIRC 055 was a W/O a few years ago.

Looks like there is one: http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-dc10-47807.htm
She's still in service, flying MEM-ORD today.

Re: Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:26 pm
by lifecomm
thewizbizman wrote:
Besides all the talk but personally I think N306FE should be preserved or put in a museum. It was the aircraft involved in the FDX705 incident. The history of that aircraft is so rich and the importance of it is so high. It shows the dedication of flight crews around the world to their profession and the industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_E ... Flight_705

Wow! FDX705, what a story!

P3D - Fight For Your Life (Federal Express Flight 705)

I searched the forums, but your reference is all I found. Truly amazing. I wonder what the $800K damage was - internal?

Re: Update on FX's MD 10/DC 10 fleet plan

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:35 pm
by HPRamper
lifecomm wrote:
thewizbizman wrote:
Besides all the talk but personally I think N306FE should be preserved or put in a museum. It was the aircraft involved in the FDX705 incident. The history of that aircraft is so rich and the importance of it is so high. It shows the dedication of flight crews around the world to their profession and the industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_E ... Flight_705

Wow! FDX705, what a story!

P3D - Fight For Your Life (Federal Express Flight 705)

I searched the forums, but your reference is all I found. Truly amazing. I wonder what the $800K damage was - internal?

There is an hour-long Air Disasters episode about this incident as well. Smithsonian Channel I believe.