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Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:11 am

News form Air Canada is that they will be adding 4 more A 330-300's in 2019 bringing their total to 12. My question is why are they adding more A330-300's? What routes do they want them for?
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:15 am

Commonality with existing fleet, ideal for routes where the B788 is wayyyyy too expensive and capable.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:39 am

Are these new-builds?
 
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300'S in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:01 pm

Not sure if they are new builds or second hand versions...
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:25 pm

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Commonality with existing fleet, ideal for routes where the B788 is wayyyyy too expensive and capable.


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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300'S in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:25 pm

They are coming from another airline.

The 767s are being retired from mainline now, as quickly as possible. Along with the E190s. In the internal battle between types at mainline, the A330 won over the 767 and the A319/A330 won over the E190. It appears ... size matters.
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:46 pm

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They are coming from another airline.

The 767s are being retired from mainline now, as quickly as possible. Along with the E190s. In the internal battle between types at mainline, the A330 won over the 767 and the A319/A330 won over the E190. It appears ... size matters.


Isn't that pretty much the story of any legacy? Where has an airline chosen the 767 long term over the 330?

Good anyway, I like seeing AC grow, no matter which aircraft.
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300'S in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:48 pm

More ex Air Berlin fleet by any chance, or were those all 332's ?
 
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300'S in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:55 pm

ACATROYAL wrote:
News form Air Canada is that they will be adding 4 more A 330-300's in 2019 bringing their total to 12. My question is why are they adding more A330-300's? What routes do they want them for?

Maybe 787's are too expensive or have any engine issues?
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300'S in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:01 pm

No engine issues (GE), but for shorter flights that are 6-8hrs, the A330 probably has a lower CASM. That’s because the flight’s CASM must also include the cost of ownership and 787s are expensive whereas A330s are much more affordable! Not the only reason, but undoubtedly it’s a big part of the decision.
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:28 pm

I could see A330 flying out of YUL and YYZ for smaller European capitals, such as Zurich, Geneva and Copenhagen - I think the existing A330s already cover some of those routes.

They already have a trained pool of pilots and maintenance staff, so if the price is right for the aircraft, it's an easy acquisition.

Better to use the 787s on long-haul transpacific routes and 777s for long and thick routes.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:44 pm

I'm surprised that in the past Air Canada did not buy more A333 or A332 were the best for its network of Atlantic routes, 8 A333 I see very little for Air Canada, great to add 4 more to fleet
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300'S in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:47 pm

Good move by AC; a very fine aircraft. I doubt if they'll be the AB aircraft, as they're (mostly) -200s. I think they'll be looking for RR powered -300s. Cathay springs to mind?
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:51 pm

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I'm surprised that in the past Air Canada did not buy more A333 or A332 were the best for its network of Atlantic routes, 8 A333 I see very little for Air Canada, great to add 4 more to fleet


I suspect the original idea was to replace both the 767 and A330 with the 787.

However, I'd imagine that the pleasant growth AC has experienced since 2009 has allowed them to reevaluate their operations. There is an incentive to keep debt low as they've purchased a number of new planes in the last 15 years (777, 787, 737MAX, CS300). Finally, if AC likes an aircraft, they tend to keep it until the end of its lifespan (A320, 767).

They also know a bit more about 787 real-world performance too and where it can most optimally be used.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:06 pm

This makes sense to me. Older A330-300s and 777-200ERs are quite attractive on the used market since many have been displaced by 787s and prices have dropped. Since Air Canada already has the A330 in the fleet, this makes perfect sense. They can get extra lift that they need for milliom after a cabin reconfiguration. This is a good solution and also is a sign of strength for the Canadian market.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:17 pm

JannEejit wrote:
More ex Air Berlin fleet by any chance, or were those all 332's ?


Those were all A330-200s. I've heard these aircraft will be coming from SQ.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:42 pm

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Isn't that pretty much the story of any legacy? Where has an airline chosen the 767 long term over the 330?


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Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:52 pm

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JannEejit wrote:
More ex Air Berlin fleet by any chance, or were those all 332's ?


Those were all A330-200s. I've heard these aircraft will be coming from SQ.

What is the final disposition of all the Air Berlin A330s? When I look on AirFleets, it looks like all of them found new homes. Yea!

But the A330 is older and airlines that lease for 12 to 14 years should be disposing of the type. So AC should have many options for buying.
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300s in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:55 pm

I think these could be the 4 A333s that TP will retire in 2019 (replaced by A339s) which are all ex-SQ birds leased in 2017.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:16 pm

Have AC outlined any plans to update the interiors of the current A330 fleet? I flew one in J from DUB-YYZ a few weeks back and it was a bit rough around the edges
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300s in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:22 pm

Hi all. I believe that AC assigns all its A330 fleet to YUL. If that's the case with these then they will likely be expanding transatlantic routes from there. I'm wondering what J cabin they will incorporate for the new ones because currently they all have the 'classic pod" which I actually prefer. I deliberately chose my summer vacation through YUL to FCO to fly the A330 in J for the classic pods. I also find transferring through YUL easier than YYZ especially for returning and immigration
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:34 pm

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Have AC outlined any plans to update the interiors of the current A330 fleet? I flew one in J from DUB-YYZ a few weeks back and it was a bit rough around the edges

As noted above, the case to replace both the A330 and the 767 by the 787 was compelling. As a result, the J cabin was not refreshed on either type. With the introduction of the 4 additional A330s, the cabins are being refreshed with a new J product similar to the 787 and the new IFE system introduced on the 787 and 737. Existing A330s too will receive the new cabin.

Air Canada has found that finding 767s in reasonable shape for the expansion of Rouge was hard to do. It's not surprising therefore that they chose to look internally for additional 767s.
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300s in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:38 pm

Great for economy class passengers. Personally I think 2-4-2 seating is always better than 3-3-3. And normal window shades instead of annoying dimmable ones.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:10 pm

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Commonality with existing fleet, ideal for routes where the B788 is wayyyyy too expensive and capable.


If a 788 is too expensive for a route, then an A330 can't fix it. The 787 is more fuel-efficient, plus the 788 is smaller than the 333, so I doubt if that's a problem the 333 is gonna fix it.
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:18 pm

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skipness1E wrote:
Commonality with existing fleet, ideal for routes where the B788 is wayyyyy too expensive and capable.


If a 788 is too expensive for a route, then an A330 can't fix it. The 787 is more fuel-efficient, plus the 788 is smaller than the 333, so I doubt if that's a problem the 333 is gonna fix it.


Purchase price figures into the economics of flying. Using an older (and by extension, cheaper) A330 to replace a 787 that is currently doing eastern Canada to Europe flying so that 787 can be subsequently used on a longer route to Asia/Oceania with more profit potential makes sense.

Otherwise, AC will have to exercise some options to purchase further 787s, which would be a more expensive solution.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:23 pm

I wonder if the newer 330's will feature the updated, overhead bins and sidewalls featured on post 2004 build 330's i believe? The existing AC 330's have the ancient ones which gives the overall cabin a very dated look.
 
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300s in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:14 pm

Guessing these will be routed as other the A333s - YYZ, YUL to Europe?

However looking at AC timetable I'm seeing mostly 787-9s on these routes.
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:40 pm

wave46 wrote:
OA940 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Commonality with existing fleet, ideal for routes where the B788 is wayyyyy too expensive and capable.


If a 788 is too expensive for a route, then an A330 can't fix it. The 787 is more fuel-efficient, plus the 788 is smaller than the 333, so I doubt if that's a problem the 333 is gonna fix it.


Purchase price figures into the economics of flying. Using an older (and by extension, cheaper) A330 to replace a 787 that is currently doing eastern Canada to Europe flying so that 787 can be subsequently used on a longer route to Asia/Oceania with more profit potential makes sense.

Otherwise, AC will have to exercise some options to purchase further 787s, which would be a more expensive solution.


Yeah ok that makes sense. I guess AC could use an A330 on 787 frequencies on key Europe flights like LHR or CDG. I'm curious to see where the A330's (or 787's if they DO replace them on European routes) will be placed. They could add about 2 daily or 4 3-5 weekly flights with 4 planes if we're talking long-haul.
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300s in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:19 pm

I remember clearly that when AC disclosed their 2017 annual results (few weeks ago), this part of adding more A333s was also revealed by them and one member on this forum on that thread, clearly stated that these were ex SQ birds.

The A333 is very good for AC on flights under 10 hours thus ideal for trans-atlantic services from YUL/YYZ/YYC. Though its fuel efficiency isnt as good as the B788/B789, it makes up for it with lower fixed costs related to aircraft purchase financing.

What UA/DL are doing in USA by buying well maintained cheap used narrow body aircraft from across the world, AC + CX are doing the same in the WB category.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:49 pm

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Great for economy class passengers. Personally I think 2-4-2 seating is always better than 3-3-3. And normal window shades instead of annoying dimmable ones.


:checkmark: I'd take the A330/767 over the 787 any day, if you enjoy looking out the window the 787 is the airliner you should always avoid unless it's a red-eye transoceanic flight! I always book a window seat and the last thing I want is the crew dimming my window in the middle of the day! :mad:

I know it's unlikely to happen but I do hope AC will eventually replace their A333s with the A339s.
 
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300s in 2019

Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:43 pm

I still wonder what AC is gonna do to replace all those(25?) aging 767s in rouge. I guess the a333 or a332 makes the most sense.
 
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MartijnNL wrote:
Great for economy class passengers. Personally I think 2-4-2 seating is always better than 3-3-3. And normal window shades instead of annoying dimmable ones.


:checkmark: I'd take the A330/767 over the 787 any day, if you enjoy looking out the window the 787 is the airliner you should always avoid unless it's a red-eye transoceanic flight! I always book a window seat and the last thing I want is the crew dimming my window in the middle of the day! :mad:

I know it's unlikely to happen but I do hope AC will eventually replace their A333s with the A339s.


Unlikely, why unlikely?... They'll have to be replaced one day anyways, oldest current ones near 20y of age.....
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:48 pm

I'm 5ft 10 and flew AC's B788 in June YYZ-MXP last year and was comfortable on board in Y class. I actually felt more comfortable on it than on board EKs B77W in economy !
 
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I still wonder what AC is gonna do to replace all those(25?) aging 767s in rouge. I guess the a333 or a332 makes the most sense.


11 of the 25 are less than 20 years old. The youngest one is 15 years old. Still plenty of life left in these frames. A330s will most likely replace the older frames as they approach retirement.
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:50 pm

Rouge I think won't retire their 767s until they can find a better long range wide body airliner (are they getting 787s)?
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:10 pm

American Airlines are looking to offload the nine former A330-300's, they are due to leave the fleet this year...

I think it is just due to the small number in the fleet, while they worked great for US Airways, but after merger with American Airlines, when you have just nine aircraft in a fleet of 900+ birds its small fry!
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:31 pm

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Rouge I think won't retire their 767s until they can find a better long range wide body airliner (are they getting 787s)?


I hope so, the 767s are getting long in the tooth. I've flown Rouge internationally on 3 round trips, EDI, GLA and FCO. On the outward FCO trip, and the inbound GLA trip, we incurred long technical delays, even though these were thoroughly overhauled birds. It was not confidence-inspiring.

The only bright spot is that on the homebound GLA trip I was able to invoke the European delay laws. I refused AC's initial offer of a $100 gift certificate applicable to my next flight and insisted they apply the European law entitling us to 600 Euros each (wife and I). With the exchange rate it worked out to our round trip being very nearly free...

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Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:35 pm

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American Airlines are looking to offload the nine former A330-300's, they are due to leave the fleet this year...

I think it is just due to the small number in the fleet, while they worked great for US Airways, but after merger with American Airlines, when you have just nine aircraft in a fleet of 900+ birds its small fry!

AA’s A333s are of similar vintage to AC’s current A330s with completely different engines (PW on AA vs RR on AC). I doubt AC would have much interest. SQ birds are probably prime candidates- much newer and same engine type.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:37 pm

I remember Boeing was contractual involved (2004) in assisting Air Canada marketing their A330s/A340 fleet (some of them still to be delivered), as part of the large 787/777 contract closed at that stage.

AC was very weak, they just left Bankruptcy and the deal was largely financed by the Export Import Bank.

I wonder if that agreement is still on the table regarding 787 / A330s or that is has long expired.. Maybe Boeing is involved creating some temporary air in their 787 backlog.

Boeing bought A340s from SQ is the past to place 777s. Now they are introducing 787-10s at SQ, replacing.. young, RR powered A330s.
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:56 pm

With all th fleet now slated to get a full cabin refresh, the A330s will certainly be around long term, which is great news. It also seems to be quite likely that they get more then the 4 they are slated to receive next year, likely on a drip feed sort of basis. I know that they have found “more than they originally had hoped” (Quote from Ben Smith). Provided all goes well, the fleet could grow even larger. It also means they can expand with a grreatly reduced up front cost compared to the 787 which gives them the working capital to fund other projects like the impending Rouge 767 replacement.
 
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OA940 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Commonality with existing fleet, ideal for routes where the B788 is wayyyyy too expensive and capable.


If a 788 is too expensive for a route, then an A330 can't fix it. The 787 is more fuel-efficient, plus the 788 is smaller than the 333, so I doubt if that's a problem the 333 is gonna fix it.


Purchase price figures into the economics of flying. Using an older (and by extension, cheaper) A330 to replace a 787 that is currently doing eastern Canada to Europe flying so that 787 can be subsequently used on a longer route to Asia/Oceania with more profit potential makes sense.

Otherwise, AC will have to exercise some options to purchase further 787s, which would be a more expensive solution.


But the backlog of 787's is 6 years or so? That's not really feasible in the near term. Used A330's in great condition are pretty easily obtained.
 
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If a 788 is too expensive for a route, then an A330 can't fix it. The 787 is more fuel-efficient, plus the 788 is smaller than the 333, so I doubt if that's a problem the 333 is gonna fix it.


Purchase price figures into the economics of flying. Using an older (and by extension, cheaper) A330 to replace a 787 that is currently doing eastern Canada to Europe flying so that 787 can be subsequently used on a longer route to Asia/Oceania with more profit potential makes sense.

Otherwise, AC will have to exercise some options to purchase further 787s, which would be a more expensive solution.


But the backlog of 787's is 6 years or so? That's not really feasible in the near term. Used A330's in great condition are pretty easily obtained.


I think the pressure / opportunities to sell 787 has come back. It's a natural development.

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Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:52 pm

This is great news for us (especially those of us based at YUL), and I'm happy to hear the interiors will be updated. One thing that confuses me: SQ. Why, for an airline that is suffering financially, are they replacing perfectly capable A330s so quickly? I mean, it's good for the rest of us but I just don't really get why they are SO aggressive with having the latest and greatest planes in the sky.
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Eirules wrote:
Have AC outlined any plans to update the interiors of the current A330 fleet? I flew one in J from DUB-YYZ a few weeks back and it was a bit rough around the edges

As noted above, the case to replace both the A330 and the 767 by the 787 was compelling. As a result, the J cabin was not refreshed on either type. With the introduction of the 4 additional A330s, the cabins are being refreshed with a new J product similar to the 787 and the new IFE system introduced on the 787 and 737. Existing A330s too will receive the new cabin.

Air Canada has found that finding 767s in reasonable shape for the expansion of Rouge was hard to do. It's not surprising therefore that they chose to look internally for additional 767s.


Longhauler, slightly off topic, are you still flying the 767? Have you already transitioned to something newer, or are you going to now?
And we hear a lot about how passengers like the 767 layout (me included, it's perfect for a family of 4 or 5) but nothing from pilots... your thoughts about the retirement?

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This is great news for us (especially those of us based at YUL), and I'm happy to hear the interiors will be updated. One thing that confuses me: SQ. Why, for an airline that is suffering financially, are they replacing perfectly capable A330s so quickly? I mean, it's good for the rest of us but I just don't really get why they are SO aggressive with having the latest and greatest planes in the sky.

SQ leased the A333s on a short term basis as they were always meant to be interim capacity. Back when SQ first ordered the 787-9 in 2006 they were expecting to receive all 20 of their frames between 2011 and 2013. The SQ group didn’t actually receive the first frames of that order until early 2015 (after moving the order over to Scoot). SQ also ordered the A350 in late 2006 with 2012 as the expected delivery date. They got their first one in mid 2016.

The A333 was meant to fill in the gaps as they built up their 787/A350 fleet. SQ ended up operating a larger A333 fleet longer than initially planned.
 
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EChid wrote:
This is great news for us (especially those of us based at YUL), and I'm happy to hear the interiors will be updated. One thing that confuses me: SQ. Why, for an airline that is suffering financially, are they replacing perfectly capable A330s so quickly? I mean, it's good for the rest of us but I just don't really get why they are SO aggressive with having the latest and greatest planes in the sky.


I assume it is the leasing contracts. If the perfect capable A330 come of leasing from SQ, the lessors have no difficulties to lease those well maintained frames. The replacement frames are already ordered, so it could be less economical to defer ordered frames and keep the old ones on extended leases.
 
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300s in 2019

Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:15 pm

Polot wrote:
EChid wrote:
This is great news for us (especially those of us based at YUL), and I'm happy to hear the interiors will be updated. One thing that confuses me: SQ. Why, for an airline that is suffering financially, are they replacing perfectly capable A330s so quickly? I mean, it's good for the rest of us but I just don't really get why they are SO aggressive with having the latest and greatest planes in the sky.

SQ leased the A333s on a short term basis as they were always meant to be interim capacity. Back when SQ first ordered the 787-9 in 2006 they were expecting to receive all 20 of their frames between 2011 and 2013. The SQ group didn’t actually receive the first frames of that order until early 2015 (after moving the order over to Scoot). SQ also ordered the A350 in late 2006 with 2012 as the expected delivery date. They got their first one in mid 2016.

The A333 was meant to fill in the gaps as they built up their 787/A350 fleet. SQ ended up operating a larger A333 fleet longer than initially planned.


Great info, thanks for the backstory/explanation Polot!
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300s in 2019

Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:48 pm

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Longhauler, slightly off topic, are you still flying the 767? Have you already transitioned to something newer, or are you going to now?
And we hear a lot about how passengers like the 767 layout (me included, it's perfect for a family of 4 or 5) but nothing from pilots... your thoughts about the retirement?

I loved flying the 767. It is a great aircraft to fly, but that 1970s cockpit is a little dated, although with updates still very capable. I moved to the A330 a few years ago. When the A330 YYZ base closed, I was given the option of the 777 or the 787. When I told them I was retiring at 58 (after 35 years), they invoked a clause in our contract .... they pay me what I can hold (777 CA) but they can put me where they needed me the most. After a short course from the A330, I was placed on the A320 in YYZ.

I love it. I can work as few as 7 or 8 days a month, or fly to some cool places (YYT in summer is high on the list) ... all while flying an aircraft I first flew 25 years ago!

I think the 767 at Rouge will remain for quite a while. It is a very capable airframe and very versatile. The company is acknowledging reliability issues encountered at Rouge. But those issues were the result of tight scheduling and nothing to do with the aircraft itself. The Rouge 767 operation is moving to entirely in YYZ and YUL and scheduling will be looser ... to mitigate those issues.
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300'S in 2019

Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:57 pm

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I'm surprised that in the past Air Canada did not buy more A333 or A332 were the best for its network of Atlantic routes, 8 A333 I see very little for Air Canada, great to add 4 more to fleet


At the time, the Airbus long haul fleet was 15 A343s, 8 A333s, and 2 A345s. There were also 767s and 747s in play.
 
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Re: Air Canada will add 4 more A330-300s in 2019

Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:07 pm

Both the 767s and the A333s are very comfy when not in 3-3-3 configuration..Rouge uses the 767s to ATH and Air Transat the A333s..and so does Delta with a mix of 763s/764s and A333s..I'd prefer them any day over EKs 773ER 3-4-3 seating..But still the questions remains what will AC replace the 767s with?Will some of the A333s move to Rouge division or will they replace them with some other leased type?
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