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keesje wrote:I think there are 400 A320 series in AA service as we speak with many more coming.
keesje wrote:I think there are 400 A320 series in AA service as we speak with many more coming. When you are operating a fleet of this size, economies of scale can justify modification programs and investment that are a good idea for total fleet management over individual (aging) aircraft. we saw them same with the MD fleet. Maybe holding the A320 a bit longer enables getting out the MD80s quicker..
jbs2886 wrote:This is all pretty funny with the A320 holds up better and AA is taking more A320 series.
...AA has already retired A320s, 20 of them in fact. https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... s=historic
mjoelnir wrote:jbs2886 wrote:This is all pretty funny with the A320 holds up better and AA is taking more A320 series.
...AA has already retired A320s, 20 of them in fact. https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... s=historic
Yes, and quite a few 737-400 have been retired at AA, that were the contemporaries of the oldest A320.
jbs2886 wrote:mjoelnir wrote:jbs2886 wrote:This is all pretty funny with the A320 holds up better and AA is taking more A320 series.
...AA has already retired A320s, 20 of them in fact. https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... s=historic
Yes, and quite a few 737-400 have been retired at AA, that were the contemporaries of the oldest A320.
Right, but your initial comment was A320s may hold up better than early-build 738s.
mjoelnir wrote:Perhaps the early A320 hold better up to usage than theearly 737-800.
mjoelnir wrote:sxf24 wrote:mjoelnir wrote:Perhaps the early A320 hold better up to usage than theearly 737-800.
I don’t think there’s data to support this supposition.
What we do know is that there’s a huge amount of demand from Amazon, Chinese express carriers and others for standard body freighters. This is increasing demand for used 737-800s to the point that none are available. I suspect this plays into a decision to retire one type earlier than another.
What information do I need? AA is prepared to get rid of younger 737-800 and keep using older A320. Their is a freighter conversion programs for both the A320 and the 737-800. High cycle rather old frames should not be the best feed stock for freighter conversion.
When it would be the other way round, it would be the first supposition, that a frame holds better up to usage. There is also rumor around, that the oldest 737-800 have problems and high service cost.
mjoelnir wrote:jbs2886 wrote:mjoelnir wrote:
Yes, and quite a few 737-400 have been retired at AA, that were the contemporaries of the oldest A320.
Right, but your initial comment was A320s may hold up better than early-build 738s.
Yes, if 20 year old A320 stay and 20 year old 737-800 are retired. What that has to do with retiring the oldest A320, contemporaries not of the 737-800, but of the 737-400?
n7371f wrote:I thought the 320 was being sunset at AA...but that was from information a few years back - AA wanted to go with the 321. Kirby was calling the shots and didn't like the 319 (notice how he went to UA and killed the 73G order?). So maybe AA has warmed back to the 320. Putting 2Ku on certainly is a sign the planes are not going anywhere. That said, they've done nothing to the interiors.
DeSpringbokke wrote:n7371f wrote:I thought the 320 was being sunset at AA...but that was from information a few years back - AA wanted to go with the 321. Kirby was calling the shots and didn't like the 319 (notice how he went to UA and killed the 73G order?). So maybe AA has warmed back to the 320. Putting 2Ku on certainly is a sign the planes are not going anywhere. That said, they've done nothing to the interiors.
Was just on an A320 with a newly reupholstered seating, carpeting, and walls to match the AA standards. The seats felt and smelled as if they were just installed. Armrests were squeaky as hell though. And of course, no MCE or power was added.Why AA does not bring MCE/power to the A320s yet is adding 2KU I have no idea. At least the LUS A321s will get MCE and power when the two A321ceo fleets are standardised at 190 seats with AVOD at every seat ripped out.
rj1385 wrote:If all groups (pilots, attendants, etc) are not united, it is also easier to rid planes that are being replaced by the same plane. AA, I am guessing cannot suddenly move 737s to CLT or PHX to replace A320s.
n7371f wrote:Same game plan as the LUS 321's - new seat covers and that's it.
WkndWanderer wrote:They already parked 5 more of the A320's last year and they have somewhere ~19 left that are around the same age as the 737's being parked. The older 737 HUD issue and the fact that they have at least 90 new narrowbodies scheduled for delivery between now and 2020 obviously gives them quite a bit of flexibility