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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:16 pm

Beginning in April 2019, United will extend service between its West Coast hub in San Francisco and Auckland to year-round with three-times-weekly service.

From Nov. 30, 2018, Air New Zealand will operate three times weekly, year-round service with its new configuration Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft. Flight time will be approximately 15 hours northbound and just over 16 hours southbound.
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:17 pm

http://newsroom.united.com/2018-03-27-U ... d-Auckland

Here is the United press release.

ORD just joined the five continent club!
 
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Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:18 pm

Air New Zealand has announced ORD-AKL to start November 30th.

Press release coming shortly.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:19 pm

Wow, great!
Also AKL-SFO re-converted to year round service on UA.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:23 pm

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I wonder how this could affect IAH?
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:38 pm

It's a good day for route announcements! Some cool AA Latin America adds, and now this!

New Zealand is an absolutely amazing country with beautiful landscapes and wonderful people, so it's good to see more links!
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:45 pm

Badly kept secret but glad it’s finally been announced!
Expect NZ to announce EWR also once they have ordered A359/778
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:53 pm

At over 16 hours southbound, this will easily replace HKG as ORD's longest flight and furthest served route.

Will there be space at T5 during the time slots? After 5PM at T5 is usually pretty packed. Not gonna be super enjoyable getting off a 15 hr flight and having to wait up to an hour for CBP :).
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:56 pm

Zkpilot wrote:
Badly kept secret but glad it’s finally been announced!
Expect NZ to announce EWR also once they have ordered A359/778


Is this not doable with 789? It's shorter than PER-LHR.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:58 pm

Didn’t the SFO flight start out as year round and then cut back to seasonal? Now it’s going back year round albeit not daily.
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:59 pm

CHI787ORD wrote:
http://newsroom.united.com/2018-03-27-United-Airlines-and-Air-New-Zealand-Announce-New-Nonstop-Service-Between-Chicago-and-Auckland

Here is the United press release.

ORD just joined the five continent club!



More likely joining the more exclusive 6 continent club, with ET’s ADD-ORD this summer we now have flights to all 6 inhabited continents.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:02 pm

ORD2010 wrote:
CHI787ORD wrote:
http://newsroom.united.com/2018-03-27-United-Airlines-and-Air-New-Zealand-Announce-New-Nonstop-Service-Between-Chicago-and-Auckland

Here is the United press release.

ORD just joined the five continent club!



More likely joining the more exclusive 6 continent club, with ET’s ADD-ORD this summer we now have flights to all 6 inhabited continents.


Right, thats what I meant to say :)
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:06 pm

DolphinAir747 wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
Badly kept secret but glad it’s finally been announced!
Expect NZ to announce EWR also once they have ordered A359/778


Is this not doable with 789? It's shorter than PER-LHR.


PER-LHR has payload restrictions. EWR-AKL would also have payload restrictions.

B789 range 7,635 nm (typical seating, no wind)

AKL-EWR 7,656 nm
PER-LHR 7,829 nm
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:14 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
DolphinAir747 wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
Badly kept secret but glad it’s finally been announced!
Expect NZ to announce EWR also once they have ordered A359/778


Is this not doable with 789? It's shorter than PER-LHR.


PER-LHR has payload restrictions. EWR-AKL would also have payload restrictions.

B789 range 7,635 nm (typical seating, no wind)

AKL-EWR 7,656 nm
PER-LHR 7,829 nm


Yeah but point is they dont have to wait on the 359/778

I'm sure the premium they could get from the first NYC metro - New Zealand would more than cover a few blocked seats.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:37 pm

About time. ORD was overdue for Australasia service.

Could ORD still yet see Australian service, perhaps to MEL or SYD (once QF gets ULR aircraft?)
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:46 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
About time. ORD was overdue for Australasia service.

Could ORD still yet see Australian service, perhaps to MEL or SYD (once QF gets ULR aircraft?)


Qantas have said they'll be starting a new BNE-US destination when they take delivery of their BNE-based 789 frames. ORD is the most likely but they are also apparently considering DFW or SEA.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-27/qantas-eyes-chicago-direct-as-next-step-in-ultra-long-haul-push
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:48 pm

CHI787ORD wrote:
At over 16 hours southbound, this will easily replace HKG as ORD's longest flight and furthest served route.

Will there be space at T5 during the time slots? After 5PM at T5 is usually pretty packed. Not gonna be super enjoyable getting off a 15 hr flight and having to wait up to an hour for CBP :).


That is the first thought that came to my mind when I read the press release on Flying Together, the arrival time into ORD is terrible because they more than likely will have to wait 30 - 60 minutes for a gate. Terminal 5 is overcrowded at that time with more arrivals than they have gates for.

But congrats to NZ.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:53 pm

jayunited wrote:
CHI787ORD wrote:
At over 16 hours southbound, this will easily replace HKG as ORD's longest flight and furthest served route.

Will there be space at T5 during the time slots? After 5PM at T5 is usually pretty packed. Not gonna be super enjoyable getting off a 15 hr flight and having to wait up to an hour for CBP :).


That is the first thought that came to my mind when I read the press release on Flying Together, the arrival time into ORD is terrible because they more than likely will have to wait 30 - 60 minutes for a gate. Terminal 5 is overcrowded at that time with more arrivals than they have gates for.

But congrats to NZ.


All the more reason the terminal expansion cannot come soon enough. At least we know change will be coming though.
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:07 pm

CHI787ORD wrote:
http://newsroom.united.com/2018-03-27-United-Airlines-and-Air-New-Zealand-Announce-New-Nonstop-Service-Between-Chicago-and-Auckland

Here is the United press release.

ORD just joined the five continent club!


New Zealand isn't an continent - its an Pacific Island.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:10 pm

zkncj wrote:
CHI787ORD wrote:
http://newsroom.united.com/2018-03-27-United-Airlines-and-Air-New-Zealand-Announce-New-Nonstop-Service-Between-Chicago-and-Auckland

Here is the United press release.

ORD just joined the five continent club!


New Zealand isn't an continent - its an Pacific Island.


Read up on your continents. Its a part of Oceania along with Australia.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:15 pm

CHI787ORD wrote:
zkncj wrote:
CHI787ORD wrote:
http://newsroom.united.com/2018-03-27-United-Airlines-and-Air-New-Zealand-Announce-New-Nonstop-Service-Between-Chicago-and-Auckland

Here is the United press release.

ORD just joined the five continent club!


New Zealand isn't an continent - its an Pacific Island.


Read up on your continents. Its a part of Oceania along with Australia.


Depends on your definition of continent. Australia is a continent by itself, however NZ and many of the other Pacific islands are generally grouped together under the banner of Oceania. And more recently there's agreement that NZ is actually part of its own independent continental landmass that's largely underwater.

So basically the answer is yes and no. Depends entirely on your definition.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:37 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
DolphinAir747 wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
Badly kept secret but glad it’s finally been announced!
Expect NZ to announce EWR also once they have ordered A359/778


Is this not doable with 789? It's shorter than PER-LHR.


PER-LHR has payload restrictions. EWR-AKL would also have payload restrictions.

B789 range 7,635 nm (typical seating, no wind)

AKL-EWR 7,656 nm
PER-LHR 7,829 nm

PER-LHR DOES NOT have payload restrictions!!! There are NO seats blocked for range reasons, 20 seats have been blocked for the first fortnight's operations only. This is a typical QF conservative approach to testing new activities, even after 2 years of simulations using real data they still take the most conservative approach.
But remember QF's B789s have a low seat count, other seating configuration may have a different result..

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Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:46 pm

FSDan wrote:
Some cool AA Latin America adds

Which ones?
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:52 pm

Great add and cool to see the new planes opening these new routes between partner hubs.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:58 pm

Full page ad on AFR by Air NZ announcing Australia direct to Chicago. QF would be pissed.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:24 pm

Air New Zealand is years away from flying the 777X/A350, EWR-AKL should be doable with the 789 considering the size of NYC market and the convenient connections available at both ends.


Gemuser wrote:
PER-LHR DOES NOT have payload restrictions!!! There are NO seats blocked for range reasons, 20 seats have been blocked for the first fortnight's operations only. This is a typical QF conservative approach to testing new activities, even after 2 years of simulations using real data they still take the most conservative approach.
But remember QF's B789s have a low seat count, other seating configuration may have a different result..

Gemuser


It does have a payload restriction. PER-LHR is longer than the 789's still-air range, payload is not about the number of pax only, it includes cargo too.


downdata wrote:
Full page ad on AFR by Air NZ announcing Australia direct to Chicago. QF would be pissed.


Instead of getting pissed they can make their PER-AKL flight year-round and time it to connect seamlessly with PER-LHR! How is the flight direct to ORD? Those flying from Australia still have to change planes in AKL.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:43 pm

L0VE2FLY wrote:
Air New Zealand is years away from flying the 777X/A350, EWR-AKL should be doable with the 789 considering the size of NYC market and the convenient connections available at both ends.


Gemuser wrote:
PER-LHR DOES NOT have payload restrictions!!! There are NO seats blocked for range reasons, 20 seats have been blocked for the first fortnight's operations only. This is a typical QF conservative approach to testing new activities, even after 2 years of simulations using real data they still take the most conservative approach.
But remember QF's B789s have a low seat count, other seating configuration may have a different result..

Gemuser


It does have a payload restriction. PER-LHR is longer than the 789's still-air range, payload is not about the number of pax only, it includes cargo too.




By your definition then, there's precisely no TPAC route that isn't payload restricted, as all these routes require kicking off cargo for more fuel.

It's more likely that NZ's more dense 789s (~300 seats vs 236 for QF) represents a good amount of blocked seats to fly AKL-EWR...
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:56 pm

L0VE2FLY wrote:
How is the flight direct to ORD? Those flying from Australia still have to change planes in AKL.

Very true.

Separately though, for SYD and MEL passengers, AKL beats BNE, LAX and SFO for transfers to ORD, with a same-terminal transfer.

Cheers,

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JustSomeDood"
It's more likely that NZ's more dense 789s (~300 seats vs 236 for QF) represents a good amount of blocked seats to fly AKL-EWR...[/quote]

FYI NZ's code 2 789s are 270 seats.


[quote="planemanofnz wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
How is the flight direct to ORD? Those flying from Australia still have to change planes in AKL.

Very true.

Separately though, for SYD and MEL passengers, AKL beats BNE, LAX and SFO for transfers to ORD, with a same-terminal transfer.
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Pretty common for airlines to use the wording direct - when its the same airline.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:24 am

planemanofnz wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
How is the flight direct to ORD? Those flying from Australia still have to change planes in AKL.

Very true.

Separately though, for SYD and MEL passengers, AKL beats BNE, LAX and SFO for transfers to ORD, with a same-terminal transfer.

Cheers,

C.


Let’s see if they codeshare to Europe in Northern 19 Summer with Star Partners (ARN, BUD, CPH, DUB, EDI, FRA, KRK, LHR, MUC, WAW, ZRH). This would help offset seasonal weakness (especially if UA / Partners add ORD - DUS, LIS, MAN, OSL, TXL).

Let’s see if QF announces ORD to maintain share and get in the market.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:33 am

The launch pricings for AKL - ORD are insane - NZD 1975 return! :shock:

See: https://grabaseat.co.nz/.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:39 am

planemanofnz wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
How is the flight direct to ORD? Those flying from Australia still have to change planes in AKL.

Very true.

Separately though, for SYD and MEL passengers, AKL beats BNE, LAX and SFO for transfers to ORD, with a same-terminal transfer.

Cheers,

C.


And also not having to clear CPB and then TSA again in either LA or SFO.
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:55 am

Does this announcement raise the chances of SYD-ORD on QF? Does the 789 have the legs for it, or do they have to wait for next generation aircraft?
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:59 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
Does this announcement raise the chances of SYD-ORD on QF? Does the 789 have the legs for it, or do they have to wait for next generation aircraft?



789 can’t do SYD-ORD without a big hit. It can do BNE-ORD though.
 
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JustSomeDood wrote:
By your definition then, there's precisely no TPAC route that isn't payload restricted, as all these routes require kicking off cargo for more fuel.

It's more likely that NZ's more dense 789s (~300 seats vs 236 for QF) represents a good amount of blocked seats to fly AKL-EWR...


There's plenty of TPAC routes that are not payload restricted, especially from the West Coast, when you trade cargo for more fuel that indeed is a payload restriction.

Of course they will need to block some seats to fly AKL-EWR, some of Air NZ's 789s have 275 seats, while still denser than QF, the difference isn't huge.


CHI2DFW wrote:
Let’s see if QF announces ORD to maintain share and get in the market.


Or preemptively start SYD/MEL-AKL-JFK, they can offer many one-stop connections to JFK through their QF/JQ networks in Australia & New Zealand.
 
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zkncj wrote:
JustSomeDood"
It's more likely that NZ's more dense 789s (~300 seats vs 236 for QF) represents a good amount of blocked seats to fly AKL-EWR...


FYI NZ's code 2 789s are 270 seats.


[quote="planemanofnz wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
How is the flight direct to ORD? Those flying from Australia still have to change planes in AKL.

Very true.

Separately though, for SYD and MEL passengers, AKL beats BNE, LAX and SFO for transfers to ORD, with a same-terminal transfer.
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Pretty common for airlines to use the wording direct - when its the same airline.[/quote]

Yeah and given same-plane services usually entail deplaning with all your belongings anyway, along with an obligatory and bizarre re-security check (you may have become weaponised in the air, apparently), I'd say it's reasonable to call this "direct" for Australian originating or bound pax.

Gosh the semantics we get into on ANet! Guilty as charged, of course :)
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:33 am

StudiodeKadent wrote:
Good work Air NZ! The ANZ/United Joint Venture seems to be strengthening nicely.

I wonder if there is any tension between the carriers, given that NZ relies on Australian feed for many of its AKL - North America routes, and with the NZ - UA JV not covering Australia - North America, UA has launched new routes like SYD - IAH, by-passing NZ's AKL hub?

Cheers,

C.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:34 am

Good work Air NZ! The ANZ/United Joint Venture seems to be strengthening nicely.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:50 am

planemanofnz wrote:
StudiodeKadent wrote:
Good work Air NZ! The ANZ/United Joint Venture seems to be strengthening nicely.

I wonder if there is any tension between the carriers, given that NZ relies on Australian feed for many of its AKL - North America routes, and with the NZ - UA JV not covering Australia - North America, UA has launched new routes like SYD - IAH, by-passing NZ's AKL hub?

Cheers,

C.


Yeah I don't think that was a particularly popular move, and the PR seems to imply an enhanced relationship. UA started routing PER pax (a big enough market) over SYD on QF and JQ. (Although I'm not sure if the connection works well on the PER return segment over AKL.)

Are there plans in the works for a Australia/NZ-North America JV?
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:33 am

Nice going ORD. Saw the NZ black one at LHR once. Stunning.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:04 am

L0VE2FLY wrote:
Of course they will need to block some seats to fly AKL-EWR, some of Air NZ's 789s have 275 seats, while still denser than QF, the difference isn't huge.

aerokiwi wrote:
FYI NZ's code 2 789s are 270 seats.


27 Business Premier, 33 Premium Economy, 215 Economy = 275

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/seat-map-boeing-787-9-2

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Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:26 am

CHI2DFW wrote:
789 can’t do SYD-ORD without a big hit. It can do BNE-ORD though.

BNE-ORD would not be a problem for the QF 789. It's ORD-BNE that could be tricky.

The gcmap has ORD-BNE at 1,155 km further than ORD-AKL which at 465kts / 861 kmh would be 1hr 20min more than ORD-AKL.

Air NZ's ORD-AKL is 16h 20min, so ORD-BNE would be 17hr 40m. That's 20min more than PER-LHR despite PER-LHR being a shorter distance.

Then there's the question of alternates and reserve fuel for BNE versus LHR, which could be higher for BNE.

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Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:36 am

PA515 wrote:
CHI2DFW wrote:
789 can’t do SYD-ORD without a big hit. It can do BNE-ORD though.

BNE-ORD would not be a problem for the QF 789. It's ORD-BNE that could be tricky.

The gcmap has ORD-BNE at 1,155 km further than ORD-AKL which at 465kts / 861 kmh would be 1hr 20min more than ORD-AKL.

Air NZ's ORD-AKL is 16h 20min, so ORD-BNE would be 17hr 40m. That's 20min more than PER-LHR despite PER-LHR being a shorter distance.

Then there's the question of alternates and reserve fuel for BNE versus LHR, which could be higher for BNE.

PA515


I don’t think QF comes to ORD until they get ULR aircraft. This should be sufficient for ORD for now.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:46 am

Fascinating to see how the 789 is changing ULH as operators get to know its capabilities. I expect we'll see more of the same from the 359 within the next few years.

The more 16-17 hour flights we see on the 789 and 359, the smaller the 778's niche starts to look, especially since we know that 280 t 359s and further efficiency improvements to both smaller airframes are coming.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:06 am

I wonder if UA will ground handle departures at T1.....
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:36 am

seabosdca wrote:
Fascinating to see how the 789 is changing ULH as operators get to know its capabilities. I expect we'll see more of the same from the 359 within the next few years.

The more 16-17 hour flights we see on the 789 and 359, the smaller the 778's niche starts to look, especially since we know that 280 t 359s and further efficiency improvements to both smaller airframes are coming.


Makes me wonder if we could see AKL-EWR with an 789 with NZ 3x weekly, with ORD/EWR sharing 1.5 789 allocations.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand announces ORD-AKL

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:15 pm

jayunited wrote:
CHI787ORD wrote:
At over 16 hours southbound, this will easily replace HKG as ORD's longest flight and furthest served route.

Will there be space at T5 during the time slots? After 5PM at T5 is usually pretty packed. Not gonna be super enjoyable getting off a 15 hr flight and having to wait up to an hour for CBP :).


That is the first thought that came to my mind when I read the press release on Flying Together, the arrival time into ORD is terrible because they more than likely will have to wait 30 - 60 minutes for a gate. Terminal 5 is overcrowded at that time with more arrivals than they have gates for.

But congrats to NZ.


Curious, but can you back this statement up with hard data or a source? I would agree if they had an arrival on a Saturday a delay would be probable.

However, half the problem is UA not pulling their planes on time to free up gate space which is widely known and acknowledged to be a major cause of the delay issues at peak times. Just ask the foreign flags who usually have to wait or the captains on UA's own flights.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:19 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
PA515 wrote:
CHI2DFW wrote:
789 can’t do SYD-ORD without a big hit. It can do BNE-ORD though.

BNE-ORD would not be a problem for the QF 789. It's ORD-BNE that could be tricky.

The gcmap has ORD-BNE at 1,155 km further than ORD-AKL which at 465kts / 861 kmh would be 1hr 20min more than ORD-AKL.

Air NZ's ORD-AKL is 16h 20min, so ORD-BNE would be 17hr 40m. That's 20min more than PER-LHR despite PER-LHR being a shorter distance.

Then there's the question of alternates and reserve fuel for BNE versus LHR, which could be higher for BNE.

PA515


I don’t think QF comes to ORD until they get ULR aircraft. This should be sufficient for ORD for now.


Correct and here's a nice article...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -haul-push

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