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United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:27 am

I was checking FlightAware early this morning and I noticed that UAL was running a redeye flight from each of the airports to Denver International. I imagine the flight from HNL runs year round but are the others more of the seasonal variety? Great to see so much service from the Hawaiian Islands to Denver by the way.
 
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:55 am

boilerla wrote:
http://newsroom.united.com/2017-06-13-United-Airlines-Says-Aloha-to-More-Hawaii-Increases-Service-to-40-Daily-Flights


This is a nice summary.
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:33 am

What aircraft type are UA operating from DEN to HNL? The news link only indicates lie-flat service.

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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:34 am

SmithAir747 wrote:
What aircraft type are UA operating from DEN to HNL? The news link only indicates lie-flat service.

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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:57 am

The article mentions the Saks bedding, which means these flights are virtually like international. I think it shows United thinking out of the box more than they usually do, so BRAVO! I think it’s smart when an airline can put a stake in the ground and virtually “own” a designation or region.
I can think of Delta and Orlando, to me Delta and Disney are synonymous- now United and Hawaii.

I have flown United’s 764 from HNL to EWR (a very comfortable domestic trip), but I don’t recall if that flight had Hawaiian goodies on board. I think dressing up the cabins with hibiscus and signature drinks etc would also be a great idea.
In olden times airlines used to do special little things to make your vacation start when you boarded.
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:37 am

In addition to the DEN service UA has added ORD-OGG 5x weekly year around and upped frequencies from LAX/SFO to the outer islands. Looks like there will also be a few SFO-OGG flights operated by the 772 in April.

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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:47 pm

Does (or did) United have to do anything with the state government of Hawaii to get all these frequencies? I’m absolutely NOT implying any improprieties, but any sort of agreements for flying privileges or gates or doing anything to give back to Hawaii? Airport enhancements etc?
I would assume there would be some sort of boost to the local economies with so much ease of access to so many Hawaiian destinations.
And who is #2 to Hawaii and how far behind are they compared to UA? (Assuming United is indeed #1)
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:04 pm

VC10er wrote:
Does (or did) United have to do anything with the state government of Hawaii to get all these frequencies? I’m absolutely NOT implying any improprieties, but any sort of agreements for flying privileges or gates or doing anything to give back to Hawaii? Airport enhancements etc?
I would assume there would be some sort of boost to the local economies with so much ease of access to so many Hawaiian destinations.
And who is #2 to Hawaii and how far behind are they compared to UA? (Assuming United is indeed #1)


The domestic market is deregulated and none of the Hawaii airports are slot-restricted. UA has access to the gates it needs to add service, so as a certificated air carrier, there's nothing standing in the way of UA adding flights for which it sees a business case. No special 'privileges' necessary.

Any coordination between UA and state/local government in Hawaii is primarily marketing-related (promote tourism, business, convention traffic, etc.).

I believe UA is still the largest carrier from the mainland to Hawaii by daily flights and ASMs. Hawaiian and Alaska also have significant mainland operations, but UA beats them on volume.
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:10 pm

VC10er wrote:
The article mentions the Saks bedding, which means these flights are virtually like international. I think it shows United thinking out of the box more than they usually do, so BRAVO! I think it’s smart when an airline can put a stake in the ground and virtually “own” a designation or region.
I can think of Delta and Orlando, to me Delta and Disney are synonymous- now United and Hawaii.
WN is by far and away the domestic market share leader in MCO.
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:34 pm

codc10 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Does (or did) United have to do anything with the state government of Hawaii to get all these frequencies? I’m absolutely NOT implying any improprieties, but any sort of agreements for flying privileges or gates or doing anything to give back to Hawaii? Airport enhancements etc?
I would assume there would be some sort of boost to the local economies with so much ease of access to so many Hawaiian destinations.
And who is #2 to Hawaii and how far behind are they compared to UA? (Assuming United is indeed #1)


The domestic market is deregulated and none of the Hawaii airports are slot-restricted. UA has access to the gates it needs to add service, so as a certificated air carrier, there's nothing standing in the way of UA adding flights for which it sees a business case. No special 'privileges' necessary.

Any coordination between UA and state/local government in Hawaii is primarily marketing-related (promote tourism, business, convention traffic, etc.).

I believe UA is still the largest carrier from the mainland to Hawaii by daily flights and ASMs. Hawaiian and Alaska also have significant mainland operations, but UA beats them on volume.


Alaska has at least 30 daily frequencies, they're probably second on number of flights, but use smaller equipment than UA and HA.
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:17 pm

VC10er wrote:
The article mentions the Saks bedding, which means these flights are virtually like international. I think it shows United thinking out of the box more than they usually do, so BRAVO! I think it’s smart when an airline can put a stake in the ground and virtually “own” a designation or region.
I can think of Delta and Orlando, to me Delta and Disney are synonymous- now United and Hawaii.

I have flown United’s 764 from HNL to EWR (a very comfortable domestic trip), but I don’t recall if that flight had Hawaiian goodies on board. I think dressing up the cabins with hibiscus and signature drinks etc would also be a great idea.
In olden times airlines used to do special little things to make your vacation start when you boarded.


And in current times, one airline, namely Hawaiian Airlines, STILL does that.
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:30 pm

Was on the red eye to Denver from Lihue just a few days ago! Flight was full (same going from Denver to Lihue).

It also seemed like a lot of people knew each other on the flight (but didn’t know they were gonna be on it). Lots of O&D traffic from Denver to the islands as well! Definitely a healthy route system for United!
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:31 pm

codc10 wrote:
I believe UA is still the largest carrier from the mainland to Hawaii by daily flights and ASMs. Hawaiian and Alaska also have significant mainland operations, but UA beats them on volume.


This is correct. June 2018 data below as a test month (Hawaii to Continental US):


Flights Seats ASMs
UA 2,214 483,970 1,397,526,474
HA 1,534 402,452 1,067,663,224
AA 1,452 291,404 857,323,094
AS 1,630 265,402 669,553,720
DL 994 215,776 610,646,744
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:52 pm

rph99 wrote:
Was on the red eye to Denver from Lihue just a few days ago! Flight was full (same going from Denver to Lihue).

It also seemed like a lot of people knew each other on the flight (but didn’t know they were gonna be on it). Lots of O&D traffic from Denver to the islands as well! Definitely a healthy route system for United!


Was just on that flight too. Mine was full too but it is spring break time so I don't know if that factors in. Flight was fine and seats weren't bad in economy but no free or full meal service was not fun going to Lihue. An 8 hour flight with only 1 snack service and buy-on-board. I knew this beforehand and ended up getting the last sandwich.
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:55 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
VC10er wrote:
The article mentions the Saks bedding, which means these flights are virtually like international. I think it shows United thinking out of the box more than they usually do, so BRAVO! I think it’s smart when an airline can put a stake in the ground and virtually “own” a designation or region.
I can think of Delta and Orlando, to me Delta and Disney are synonymous- now United and Hawaii.
WN is by far and away the domestic market share leader in MCO.


Yes, but Central Florida itself is still known as part of Delta Country.
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:51 am

It is quite a ramp-up. All of those routes except for DEN-HNL were pretty much Saturday only, March or April through October or November. DEN-OGG may have been daily seasonal at one point, but not in recent years.

Does anyone know who was the first airline to do Denver-Hawaii nonstop and when? My father, who's a lifelong Denverite and planespotter, did not know. Our guess was UA in the mid 90s, but it's also possible CO may have flown it back in the day.
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:41 am

I was noticing the flights are about 7 hours from DEN. That makes efficient use of pilots. UA should only need to have a captain and first officer. It sounds like it should be a much easier connection from the eastern half of the US to any of major islands than at a west coast airport.
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:48 am

VC10er wrote:
The article mentions the Saks bedding, which means these flights are virtually like international. I think it shows United thinking out of the box more than they usually do, so BRAVO! I think it’s smart when an airline can put a stake in the ground and virtually “own” a designation or region.
I can think of Delta and Orlando, to me Delta and Disney are synonymous- now United and Hawaii.

I have flown United’s 764 from HNL to EWR (a very comfortable domestic trip), but I don’t recall if that flight had Hawaiian goodies on board. I think dressing up the cabins with hibiscus and signature drinks etc would also be a great idea.
In olden times airlines used to do special little things to make your vacation start when you boarded.


The flights are HARDLY like international. While the bedding is nice, the service and everything else is generic UA domestic service. As for "owning" Hawaii? Uh... not really. "Only one airline is Hawaiian."
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:21 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
I was noticing the flights are about 7 hours from DEN. That makes efficient use of pilots. UA should only need to have a captain and first officer. It sounds like it should be a much easier connection from the eastern half of the US to any of major islands than at a west coast airport.


Most of us on the 756 fleet don’t care for the Denver-Hawaii trips. I see them sitting in open time for DEN FO’s quite often. They are 3 day pairings which has a long layover in the islands, but the all nighter back to DEN is brutal. Even worse if one is a commuter. Also the trip only pays 15 hours for 3 days which is the same as LAX/SFO-Hawaii 3 day trip. So the pilots butts are in the seats longer then doing a West coast run but paid the same. Amazing how that extra 1.9 hours on the East bound all nighter can feel like an eternity. It does goes to show how good we have it here in the USA. My friends at Emirates laugh about us dreading a 7 hour unaugmented red eye.
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:15 am

VC10er wrote:
Does (or did) United have to do anything with the state government of Hawaii to get all these frequencies? I’m absolutely NOT implying any improprieties, but any sort of agreements for flying privileges or gates or doing anything to give back to Hawaii? Airport enhancements etc?
I would assume there would be some sort of boost to the local economies with so much ease of access to so many Hawaiian destinations.
And who is #2 to Hawaii and how far behind are they compared to UA? (Assuming United is indeed #1)


United has been flying to all of these points in Hawaii for many years. but mainly from SFO, LAX, and ORD It's about time we did it from DEN..
EWR and IAH came on after the merger and they will get in there as well because CO also had routes to Hawaii pre-merger so that's not new either.
 
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Re: United Airlines, Hawaiian Islands to Denver

Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:39 am

azjubilee wrote:
VC10er wrote:
The article mentions the Saks bedding, which means these flights are virtually like international. I think it shows United thinking out of the box more than they usually do, so BRAVO! I think it’s smart when an airline can put a stake in the ground and virtually “own” a designation or region.
I can think of Delta and Orlando, to me Delta and Disney are synonymous- now United and Hawaii.

I have flown United’s 764 from HNL to EWR (a very comfortable domestic trip), but I don’t recall if that flight had Hawaiian goodies on board. I think dressing up the cabins with hibiscus and signature drinks etc would also be a great idea.
In olden times airlines used to do special little things to make your vacation start when you boarded.


The flights are HARDLY like international. While the bedding is nice, the service and everything else is generic UA domestic service. As for "owning" Hawaii? Uh... not really. "Only one airline is Hawaiian."


I wouldn’t say UA owns the market but they have continuously been the “largest” carrier to and from the mainland which in turn is the largest market segment in the Hawaiian market. From a macro perspective, HA “owns” Hawaii.

Semantics aside, VC is right. UA is very much synonymous with Hawaii and has a long, robust history in the Hawaiian Market.

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