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Siren wrote:Perhaps they have filled the A380 positions already? I can imagine that a new A380 operator would have people from the established operators willing to jump through whatever hoops were necessary to join the operation and get them up and running using the institutional knowledge they have already. I would expect a fairly streamlined hiring process, as there would not be a shortage of candidates. These positions would be huge promotions for others who would never have the opportunity at the other operators... It's a lucrative career opportunity.
airbazar wrote:My rumor mill told me that the deal fell through because HiFly and Airbus couldn't agree on the maintenance terms. I seemed like HiFly was only willing to take the birds if Airbus agreed to be responsible to all the maintenance.
VolvoBus wrote:Siren wrote:It's a lucrative career opportunity.
Possibly, but the reverse may hold true. Anybody with specialist knowledge of the A380 will be currently working for an established, pretty stable operator. While the new job title will sound good, it relies on HiFly's continuing success. If it fails, then there is no market for that knowledge. Also, I wonder whether the overall package as No 1 on HiFly's A380 operation is markedly better than No 3 at ,say, BA LH or even KA, where there is the opportunity to move up the greasy pole an another type.
N14AZ wrote:They had already started the recruitment process. Zeke had provided us wíth a link of a recruitment Consultant for the required A380 Captains & First Officers in the old thread: https://www.aeroprofessional.com/job/11 ... -Officers/
You can even still apply...
Polot wrote:N14AZ wrote:They had already started the recruitment process. Zeke had provided us wíth a link of a recruitment Consultant for the required A380 Captains & First Officers in the old thread: https://www.aeroprofessional.com/job/11 ... -Officers/
You can even still apply...
Trying to recruit people who already have 500/1000 hours on the type and an EASA A380 type rating has got to be tough.
MalevTU134 wrote:Polot wrote:N14AZ wrote:They had already started the recruitment process. Zeke had provided us wíth a link of a recruitment Consultant for the required A380 Captains & First Officers in the old thread: https://www.aeroprofessional.com/job/11 ... -Officers/
You can even still apply...
Trying to recruit people who already have 500/1000 hours on the type and an EASA A380 type rating has got to be tough.
Basically has to be Europeans working in China, who want to move "home"...
airbazar wrote:It seemed like HiFly was only willing to take the birds if Airbus agreed to be responsible to all the maintenance.
Polot wrote:Basically looking for someone who wants a slower pace towards the end of their career I’m guessing. I’m not sure that fits many of EK’s pilots (the end of career part, most would probably welcome slower pace) and the A380 Euro legacy pilots are probably all mostly senior, living comfortably, and making tons of money especially compared to what HiFly probably pays.
Siren wrote:Perhaps they have filled the A380 positions already? I can imagine that a new A380 operator would have people from the established operators willing to jump through whatever hoops were necessary to join the operation and get them up and running using the institutional knowledge they have already.
l'espace180 wrote:What about this spanish article from february stating the Malta branch of Hi Fly will receive the 2 ex SIA A380?
http://fly-news.es/aviacion-comercial/a ... singapore/
lightsaber wrote:Did they demand too much to purchase? I would love to know maintenance terms. If I were buying early A388s, I would demand a power by the hour maintenance contract with no risk. But that is just my opinion.
N14AZ wrote:l'espace180 wrote:What about this spanish article from february stating the Malta branch of Hi Fly will receive the 2 ex SIA A380?
http://fly-news.es/aviacion-comercial/a ... singapore/
Dr. Peters Group, the owner of the two ex-SQ A380s stated in the middle of February 2018 that negotiations with HiFly have been put on ice
and that positions were a long way away from each other. Source: see link at the end of the previous thread
Planesmart wrote:Almost certainly wanted an 'on demand' power by the hour contract for engines and air frame, with very low minimum monthly hours. Contracts are subject to draconian confidentiality clauses, but would have an idea of what EK have negotiated.
Planesmart wrote:More parties involved, if early SQ aircraft are subject to Airbus buyback (they almost certainly are), in which case negotiations possibly continuing with Airbus and RR. HiFly enjoy a special relationship with Airbus.
ScottB wrote:Planesmart wrote:Almost certainly wanted an 'on demand' power by the hour contract for engines and air frame, with very low minimum monthly hours. Contracts are subject to draconian confidentiality clauses, but would have an idea of what EK have negotiated.Planesmart wrote:More parties involved, if early SQ aircraft are subject to Airbus buyback (they almost certainly are), in which case negotiations possibly continuing with Airbus and RR. HiFly enjoy a special relationship with Airbus.
You have to imagine that even with the tight relationship between HiFly and Airbus, there's still a very delicate balancing act for Airbus and Rolls as well. Placing some of the early A380s would make financiers more confident in the program, which could potentially lead to further sales of new A380s if financing were available on terms comparable to segment-adjacent aircraft like the 777X and A350. However, even with strict confidentiality agreements, word tends to get around and one can easily imagine EK demanding at least comparable terms -- and that could be devastating to the spares business which is likely the only bright spot in the program for Airbus and the engine makers at present.
Polot wrote:ScottB wrote:Planesmart wrote:Almost certainly wanted an 'on demand' power by the hour contract for engines and air frame, with very low minimum monthly hours. Contracts are subject to draconian confidentiality clauses, but would have an idea of what EK have negotiated.Planesmart wrote:More parties involved, if early SQ aircraft are subject to Airbus buyback (they almost certainly are), in which case negotiations possibly continuing with Airbus and RR. HiFly enjoy a special relationship with Airbus.
You have to imagine that even with the tight relationship between HiFly and Airbus, there's still a very delicate balancing act for Airbus and Rolls as well. Placing some of the early A380s would make financiers more confident in the program, which could potentially lead to further sales of new A380s if financing were available on terms comparable to segment-adjacent aircraft like the 777X and A350. However, even with strict confidentiality agreements, word tends to get around and one can easily imagine EK demanding at least comparable terms -- and that could be devastating to the spares business which is likely the only bright spot in the program for Airbus and the engine makers at present.
There is also the delicate balance act of wanting to prove there is a secondary market versus suggesting that a secondary market is only viable if outside parties (that is, not the operating airline) is bearing the brunt of the costs.
Airbus wants there to be an awakening where an airline shows how the A380 can be heavily popular if operated outside the current box and line of thinking by the legacies, so that more risk adverse customers would be sold on the idea. But hard to do so if the trial airline is not eating a lot of the traditional aircraft costs.
ScottB wrote:Planesmart wrote:Almost certainly wanted an 'on demand' power by the hour contract for engines and air frame, with very low minimum monthly hours. Contracts are subject to draconian confidentiality clauses, but would have an idea of what EK have negotiated.
However, even with strict confidentiality agreements, word tends to get around and one can easily imagine EK demanding at least comparable terms -- and that could be devastating to the spares business which is likely the only bright spot in the program for Airbus and the engine makers at present.
The A340s being used from Auckland are old by global standards, and problems with in-flight entertainment have led to complaints, but they will be phased out as the airline adds new planes, starting with two A330-200s in the middle of the year and the first of 10 A330-900neos next year.
This year the airline is also getting two Airbus A380 superjumbos, the first ex-Singapore Airlines planes.
PA515 wrote:This 22 March 2018 NZ Herald article says Hi Fly are getting two ex SQ A380s this year. Grant Bradley interviewed Hi-Fly founder Paulo Mirpuri who was in AKL for the Volvo Ocean Race.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=12016316
Hi Fly now has 20 wide-body aircraft [...].
N14AZ wrote:Hi Fly now has 20 wide-body aircraft [...].
According to their own Webpage they just have 11 aircraft.
travelhound wrote:Considering HiFly currently have a fleet of eight aircraft, it was always going to be a big ask for an airline of this size to successfully purchase, refurbish and operate the A380.
LXwing wrote:Latest news (behind paywall) in ch-aviation says:
Portugal's Hi Fly to add maiden A380 in 2Q18
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 80-in-2q18
Seems they will get A380s after all? If so, it must be to operate for some customer(s) already found, just as they said initially.
I don't think the order for A330neos has anything to do with taking some A380s or not, that order is aimed for replacing the current A330/340 fleet and the aircraft must come out of some lessor's order list.
Jayafe wrote:Time to update the title of the topic, to a "maybe"?
N14AZ wrote:We now have another source, aerotelegraph had an interview with HiFly‘s CEO and he confirmed they will take over their first A380 in June. He is not willing to share more details, obviously due to on-going negotiations...: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/hi-fly-be ... f-a330-neoJayafe wrote:Time to update the title of the topic, to a "maybe"?
To my defense: I had placed a question mark behind the thread title.
Hi Fly is taking delivery of its first Airbus A380, the world’s largest and most spacious airliner. The arrival is a major event for the Company, making it the 1st Portuguese and the 4th European airline operating the model. #Hifly #hiflyairline #a380
The carrier says the first Rolls-Royce Trent 900-powered aircraft will arrive in mid-2018 and will be operated "worldwide", with a 471-seat configuration.
This includes 399 seats on the main deck with 60 business-class and 12 first-class seats on the upper deck – the configuration used by Singapore Airlines, which started withdrawing its older A380s last year.
juliuswong wrote:I am surprised SQ didn't rip out the interior like what they usually does when they retire/return aircraft to lessor.
cougar15 wrote:Momo1435 wrote:Just open a new thread.
or get the title changed on this one, all it takes is ´IS rather than NOT´ and we have a thread with background to build upon!
cougar15 wrote:Does all this now not fit together somehow? Was the (330) NEO commitment somehow linked to this deal actually coming together (Power by the hour for the 380??) . Again, Hifly are not as stupid as many people think and the dear ´German Doctor´ had few - if any options. I also doubt Airbus liked the idea of these frames enjoying the spanish sunshine (even if that means biting a few uncomfortable bullets....) . Good on 5K, I think they pulled of something very clever here, but my question remains, who will they operate these for??
Someone83 wrote:Looks like they will keep the SQ cabin interior
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ar-447342/The carrier says the first Rolls-Royce Trent 900-powered aircraft will arrive in mid-2018 and will be operated "worldwide", with a 471-seat configuration.
This includes 399 seats on the main deck with 60 business-class and 12 first-class seats on the upper deck – the configuration used by Singapore Airlines, which started withdrawing its older A380s last year.
A330freak wrote:HiFly just tweeted thisHi Fly is taking delivery of its first Airbus A380, the world’s largest and most spacious airliner. The arrival is a major event for the Company, making it the 1st Portuguese and the 4th European airline operating the model. #Hifly #hiflyairline #a380
https://twitter.com/hifly_airline/statu ... 8619290624
RalXWB wrote:Can we please change the thread title? HiFly just announced on Twitter that they are taking A380s. The NOT in the title is no longer appropriate. Perhaps it never was...
lightsaber wrote:Polot wrote:Airbus wants there to be an awakening where an airline shows how the A380 can be heavily popular if operated outside the current box and line of thinking by the legacies, so that more risk adverse customers would be sold on the idea. But hard to do so if the trial airline is not eating a lot of the traditional aircraft costs.
Awakening...