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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:18 pm

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Congrats to HiFly on this historical achievement!!!! I assume that A380 will be flying for one airline for a longer period instead of doing only occasional flight for more airlines when they need it? TUI Netherlands occasionally uses HiFly aircraft when their own aircraft are AOG or not available for whatever reason. I assume the A380 won't be available for such one-off flights?

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Wow! Congrats.

I need to eat a bit of crow as I thought after the A339 order they were done.

The A380 will be wet leased out however it makes money. If someone has it leased, it won't be available. If not, HiFly will be happy to charge the customer.

The first A380 resale, this is a milestone.

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Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:26 pm

Congrats HiFly! That is quite the achievement. I was still hoping this would come true - and it did.

Excellent news for the whole A380 "ecosystem".
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:32 pm

The capital cost/lease for the aircraft is most likely very low all the time they dont have the cabin refurbished. If they get good utilization of the aircraft I will dare to say they can make fairly good money on it.

On a side note, finally those unlucky Norwegian long haul passengers can get the experience of what a really comfortable aircraft feels like when one of those Dreamliners go tech :stirthepot:
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:43 pm

A nice surprise for many Norwegian long-haul customers.
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Time to get the ole pie dish out for some... :stirthepot: :rotfl:


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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:55 pm

I doubt you are going to see the A380 used for many last minute substitutions for DY and the like. The logistics of dealing with the A380 is just too much (you can easily substitute a A330/A340 in for a 787 with no airfield/gate concerns...not necessarily true with the A380).

HiFly will almost certainly be targeting long term and stable lease or charter (re:Hajj) contracts.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:05 pm

Current A380 operators could also look at Hi Fly as a strike-breaker or AOG solution now that they're taking the two A380s.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:10 pm

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I am surprised SQ didn't rip out the interior like what they usually does when they retire/return aircraft to lessor.


Maybe they are going to fly them for SQ.?

Not too likely, but perhaps BA. We know that BA want more A380 capacity "at the right price". This may be a way to get it.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:45 pm

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juliuswong wrote:
I am surprised SQ didn't rip out the interior like what they usually does when they retire/return aircraft to lessor.


Maybe they are going to fly them for SQ.?

Not too likely, but perhaps BA. We know that BA want more A380 capacity "at the right price". This may be a way to get it.


I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they do end up subbing in for BA when they have a jet go tech. However, they won’t be a regular thing, the configuration is way too different with no premium economy.

These jets are for Hifly Malta as the livery concept has a 9H registration I take it?
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:07 pm

Would BA unions even allow HiFly to do any regular flying for them? Not sure how that all works.
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Re: HiFly NOT adding second hand A380s?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:51 pm

[quote="N14AZ"]Remember, in mid-February 2018 Dr. Peters had officially noted that negotiations with HiFly have been put on ice.`[quote]
Correct, because negotiations continued with Airbus, RR, and possibly SQ too, given the existence of a buyback. Hi Fly negotiated with Airbus and RR.

Lets see what announcements & documents are subsequently filed by each of the five parties, if any.

Hats off to all involved. Positive lateral thinking hard at work here. How many Boeing WB only, or non-A330 operators, have been exposed to Airbus products in the last few years. And soon new A330 and used A380 too. Win win.

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Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:20 pm

I have a question, is MCO 380 ready ?
 
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Re: HiFly NOT adding second hand A380s?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:33 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
I am surprised SQ didn't rip out the interior like what they usually does when they retire/return aircraft to lessor.


Maybe they are going to fly them for SQ.?

Not too likely, but perhaps BA. We know that BA want more A380 capacity "at the right price". This may be a way to get it.


Presumably Emirates now have a 'lowest price' contract with their A380s, so unless BA's options are below that they need to decide if they want to pay £1 more than Emirates for another 5-10 planes. Airbus would surely welcome both the extra orders to keep the line moving and the PR of a second blue chip airline ordering them. I don't see BA using wet leases unless they have more strikes.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:26 pm

I was thinking that 2 aircraft come very handy for operating a single long haul route, daily. So my initial guess is that they will be operating for an airline that needs a seasonal capacity increase. There are a lot of long haul VFR routes that can only be sustained for a few months out of the year. It can't be just any VFR heavy route because these aircraft do have 60J+12F seats.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:03 pm

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Would BA unions even allow HiFly to do any regular flying for them? Not sure how that all works.


BA just usually do what they want and that's what causes the falling out with the unions.

Hifly ran some flights for them last year when they were short.
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Re: HiFly NOT adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:27 am

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juliuswong wrote:
I am surprised SQ didn't rip out the interior like what they usually does when they retire/return aircraft to lessor.


Maybe they are going to fly them for SQ.?

Not too likely, but perhaps BA. We know that BA want more A380 capacity "at the right price". This may be a way to get it.

Yes, not too likely flying on SQ's behalf. SQ is not known to be leasing non-standard aircraft/ configuration for their operation. The last time they did so was during the A380 delay and grounding which they activated two stored B744 (flew for few years before retirement again) and leased a B744 from MH for few months, painted in Star Alliance livery. The latter was manned by SQ cockpit and cabin crews with an additional MH cabin crew.
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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:30 am

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I have a question, is MCO 380 ready ?

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Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:48 am

Update: HiFly's first will be MSN006, ex SQ #3 9V-SKC, not MSN003 or 005, which have already arrived at Tarbes.
Source. HiFly's Inês Pompeu dos Santos in an interview with aero.de: http://www.aero.de/news-28912/Diesen-Ai ... -Fly-.html

Edit: the owner of MSN 006 is Doric Asset Finance, not Dr. Peters. Now it's clear why Dr. Peters said the negotiations ended.
 
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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:52 am

So Doric Asset Finance perhaps offered a better price than Dr. Peters?
 
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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:25 am

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So Doric Asset Finance perhaps offered a better price than Dr. Peters?

Seems so ... although there might be several other criteria as pointed out by Planesmart.

I am not sure if production-wise there is a significant difference between MSN 003 and MSN 006. A significant change was incorporated in all A380s starting from MSN 026.
MSN 003 had its FF on May 07, 2006
MSN 006 had its FF half a year later, on November 17, 2006

Not sure if half a year made a significant difference so that you now would prefer MSN 006 as regards to maintenance works.
 
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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:47 am

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I have a question, is MCO 380 ready ?



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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:43 am

Well done to HiFly and Doric.
We'll be interesting to see who HiFly have behind them.

I'd think a mix of holiday operators might work.
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June-Aug - Euro US holiday charters
Sep-Oct - Hajj (timing differs every year though)
Maybe April/May - Japan- Hawaii (best and popular time)

But it doesn't really solve the A380 problem. HiFly is unlikely to take more than 2 and there weren't many other takers waiting in the wings.
 
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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:13 am

N14AZ wrote:
Update: HiFly's first will be MSN006, ex SQ #3 9V-SKC, not MSN003 or 005, which have already arrived at Tarbes.
Source. HiFly's Inês Pompeu dos Santos in an interview with aero.de: http://www.aero.de/news-28912/Diesen-Ai ... -Fly-.html

Edit: the owner of MSN 006 is Doric Asset Finance, not Dr. Peters. Now it's clear why Dr. Peters said the negotiations ended.


Interesting, because I thought Doric had only one of the first 5 to be retired by SQ. Where is the second coming from?
 
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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:50 am

N14AZ wrote:
Update: HiFly's first will be MSN006, ex SQ #3 9V-SKC, not MSN003 or 005, which have already arrived at Tarbes.
Source. HiFly's Inês Pompeu dos Santos in an interview with aero.de: http://www.aero.de/news-28912/Diesen-Ai ... -Fly-.html

Edit: the owner of MSN 006 is Doric Asset Finance, not Dr. Peters. Now it's clear why Dr. Peters said the negotiations ended.


MSN003 , 005, 008 and 010 are DS Aviation (Dr. Peters) only MSN006 is Doric. So it will be a question if and what second A380 could be taken by Hy Fly.
 
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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:55 pm

Why does this thread still have a questionmark in the topic? I'm certain there would be a lot more discussion and interest in this thread if it wasn't a question, but a statement.

The HiFly A380 saga has gone from maybe to certain, to uncertain, to probably not, to certainly not.. to for sure. Anyone scrolling through the list of topics will think there's nothing new in this thread since last time with the current topic.
 
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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:13 pm

Makes sense that the first one will be #6, as that's in standard production configuration (1-5 are not). Any idea as to whether or not Hi Fly (or Hi Fly Malta) will be taking a second unit? The way it looks, I suspect that Hi Fly has a power by the hour lease to test the market. If it fails, back to Doric it goes. If it succeeds, they'll try to source in a second one and eventually operate that alongside their A339s (if Hi Fly ends up actually operating them instead of putting them up for dry leasing).
 
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Re: Confirmed: HiFly adding second hand A380s

Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:50 pm

I wanted to post this in the thread about TUI Portugal using A380, that was locked. I do not know if TUI Portugal exist, could even be under another name, as TUI runs local operations under many different names:

Before one starts laughing to much, the TUI group owns 6 airlines with together 155 frames, including 34 wide bodies, the biggest 3 747-400. They have also A330, 787 and 767. So if somebody in the biggest leisure travel group in Europe things about using a A380 for some project, perhaps moving passengers to their cruise ships (they own 5 cruise lines and a lot of their ships call in at Lisboa), is it really out of this world?
TUI is not only in Northern Europe, it is actually all over Europe, with their biggest operations in Germany, UK and France.


One subsidiary of TUI group buying, leasing or using one or more A380 is hardly an unlikely idea. I also do not think they would need Hy Fly and there are 5 SQ birds on the used market.þ

edit: There is a TUI Portugal, you find it at TUI group under destination services.
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Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:32 pm

It is in the interest of first tier airlines, Airbus, engine makers (esp RR), lessors to have a secondary market. Making the numbers work, observing confidentiality, maintenance, ensuring the success secondary market airline are all tied in. Negotiations are hard because it is really hard to make the numbers work. Taking a plane as outfitted saves millions, (maybe in the ten figure?) This is a plus for aviation.
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Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:26 pm

While they may have been negotiating for two from Dr Peters, I now think they will take one only initially - from Doric. Link refers to one this year.

Of course, if that works out well, they could take others in addition later.

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edit: There is a TUI Portugal, you find it at TUI group under destination services.


That's for inbound services though..they will have interests in hotels, excursion and airport transfer provision etc. You'd need to have an outbound operator in Portugal to see the sort of operation you suggest. I suppose you could have the aircraft based there and operating W-pattern flights out of Faro but I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

I could see them potentially considering for their cruise operation as it would be an easy way to get the extra lift required for when there is a spike in weekly demand whilst allowing their own fleets to continue to service the regular demand to other destinations. Their UK cruise business will offer calls in Lisbon but no turnaround so no need for airlift there..it's Dubrovnik, Malaga, Naples to name a few.

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Re: Confirmed: HiFly adding second hand A380s

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:19 pm

This, posted today, quotes Hi Fly's president as saying that the A380 aircraft acquired are ex-SQ -SKA and -SKB, which are Dr Peters frames. It does not say when the interview quoted from took place.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2018/04/0 ... ito-seats/

There is a lot of interesting stuff about seating - including that SQ's PE seats will be removed, and a subsequent AD-mandated replacement of the business seats by 2021.

Also the expectation that much of the demand will be from legacy carriers on existing A380 routes from Europe to US. That means for one or more of BA, AF or LH, although I did wonder about IAG experimenting on, say, MAD - MEX for IB.
 
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Also the expectation that much of the demand will be from legacy carriers on existing A380 routes from Europe to US. That means for one or more of BA, AF or LH, although I did wonder about IAG experimenting on, say, MAD - MEX for IB.

It makes sense for IB. It does not make sense for BA/AF/LH.
The reason I think so is this: There are airlines that have a minimal amount of routes where they can use the capacity of the A380 but it makes no financial sense for them to introduce a small subfleet of 1 or 2 aircraft. It's very expensive and when one goes tech, there's no replacement.
BA/AF/LH already have a fleet of A380's and all the systems in place to support their fleet plus any potential additions. IB does not. IMO, there are a few airlines out there in the same circumstances as IB.
 
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bananaboy wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
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edit: There is a TUI Portugal, you find it at TUI group under destination services.


That's for inbound services though..they will have interests in hotels, excursion and airport transfer provision etc. You'd need to have an outbound operator in Portugal to see the sort of operation you suggest. I suppose you could have the aircraft based there and operating W-pattern flights out of Faro but I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

I could see them potentially considering for their cruise operation as it would be an easy way to get the extra lift required for when there is a spike in weekly demand whilst allowing their own fleets to continue to service the regular demand to other destinations. Their UK cruise business will offer calls in Lisbon but no turnaround so no need for airlift there..it's Dubrovnik, Malaga, Naples to name a few.

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The UK cruising operation is only one third of the whole TUI cruising operation.
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:07 pm

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Also the expectation that much of the demand will be from legacy carriers on existing A380 routes from Europe to US. That means for one or more of BA, AF or LH, although I did wonder about IAG experimenting on, say, MAD - MEX for IB.



This would allow AF and BA to test the waters for more A380 ops. The AF concensus was that they either had too many or not enough A380s to operate all routes effectively. LAX SFO IAD JFK MIA MEX ABJ JNB PVG HKG. So AF could trial this out.

Or if reports are true and the 2nd A380 is configured in a 2 class config, put it on YUL during the high season (this route sometimes gets COI configured 77Ws and even got A380s years ago).
 
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bananaboy wrote:
bananaboy wrote:


That's for inbound services though..they will have interests in hotels, excursion and airport transfer provision etc. You'd need to have an outbound operator in Portugal to see the sort of operation you suggest. I suppose you could have the aircraft based there and operating W-pattern flights out of Faro but I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

I could see them potentially considering for their cruise operation as it would be an easy way to get the extra lift required for when there is a spike in weekly demand whilst allowing their own fleets to continue to service the regular demand to other destinations. Their UK cruise business will offer calls in Lisbon but no turnaround so no need for airlift there..it's Dubrovnik, Malaga, Naples to name a few.

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The UK cruising operation is only one third of the whole TUI cruising operation.


I'm aware of that. Still doesn't make your theory any more likely to happen in my opinion. Lisbon is not ideally located for a cruise turnaround port..for the key cruise areas it would increase costs as it would require additional sea days; why offer Canary Island cruises from LIS when you can from Tenerife, or Med cruises from there when you can from Barcelona?

Interesting theory but I don't think it works, at least from Lisbon. Could Tui use the airlift elsewhere for their cruise operation? Possibly.

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Talking about TUI, they do have a lot of cruise ship related flights to Montego Bay, Jamaica and Barbados I think Barbados also gets TUI charter flights related to cruise ships. They might be able to fill an A380 for these flights but that would only be on one leg of the flight which means the A380 either arrives fully loaded or departs fully loaded. Maybe that will be too costly. I see this HiFly A380 being used for one airline for a longer period of the year and not just one-off flights or occasional charter flights. It might be quite costly to lease an A380 on an adhoc or charter basis when seeing the size of the aircraft.

Than again, TUI might be able to consolidate more flights into a single A380 flight or fewer flights (like 1 A380 flight and 3-4 787 flights instead of 6-7 787 flights on the same day). I'm just thinking out loud so this is just my view on these HiFly A380's.


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Talking about TUI, they do have a lot of cruise ship related flights to Montego Bay, Jamaica and Barbados I think Barbados also gets TUI charter flights related to cruise ships. They might be able to fill an A380 for these flights but that would only be on one leg of the flight which means the A380 either arrives fully loaded or departs fully loaded. Maybe that will be too costly. I see this HiFly A380 being used for one airline for a longer period of the year and not just one-off flights or occasional charter flights. It might be quite costly to lease an A380 on an adhoc or charter basis when seeing the size of the aircraft.

Than again, TUI might be able to consolidate more flights into a single A380 flight or fewer flights (like 1 A380 flight and 3-4 787 flights instead of 6-7 787 flights on the same day). I'm just thinking out loud so this is just my view on these HiFly A380's.


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Wait a minute! If the outbound A380 is full of cruise pax joining the ships there, does that not mean that these same ships have just dumped their load from the previous cruise, who are no looking to fly home to Europe. Sems quite well balanced to me, actually!
 
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A388 wrote:
Talking about TUI, they do have a lot of cruise ship related flights to Montego Bay, Jamaica and Barbados I think Barbados also gets TUI charter flights related to cruise ships. They might be able to fill an A380 for these flights but that would only be on one leg of the flight which means the A380 either arrives fully loaded or departs fully loaded. Maybe that will be too costly. I see this HiFly A380 being used for one airline for a longer period of the year and not just one-off flights or occasional charter flights. It might be quite costly to lease an A380 on an adhoc or charter basis when seeing the size of the aircraft.

Than again, TUI might be able to consolidate more flights into a single A380 flight or fewer flights (like 1 A380 flight and 3-4 787 flights instead of 6-7 787 flights on the same day). I'm just thinking out loud so this is just my view on these HiFly A380's.


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Are these airports even equipped to handle A380's and do they have sufficient runway length?
 
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Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:36 pm

I do know that TUI uses Montego Bay and Barbados as home ports for their cruise ships in the Caribbean but I'm not sure how it works precisely. About the airports being able to handle the A380, I think at the moment they can't but I can imagine if an airline commits to flying the A380 to any airport they will upgrade the airport to A380's standards provided the potential A380 airline signs a contract to actually fly the A380 to those airports. An airport isn't going to invest in facilities to accomodate the A380 if there won't be an A380 flying in and out of that airport.

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bananaboy wrote:

That's for inbound services though..they will have interests in hotels, excursion and airport transfer provision etc. You'd need to have an outbound operator in Portugal to see the sort of operation you suggest. I suppose you could have the aircraft based there and operating W-pattern flights out of Faro but I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

I could see them potentially considering for their cruise operation as it would be an easy way to get the extra lift required for when there is a spike in weekly demand whilst allowing their own fleets to continue to service the regular demand to other destinations. Their UK cruise business will offer calls in Lisbon but no turnaround so no need for airlift there..it's Dubrovnik, Malaga, Naples to name a few.

Mark


The UK cruising operation is only one third of the whole TUI cruising operation.


I'm aware of that. Still doesn't make your theory any more likely to happen in my opinion. Lisbon is not ideally located for a cruise turnaround port..for the key cruise areas it would increase costs as it would require additional sea days; why offer Canary Island cruises from LIS when you can from Tenerife, or Med cruises from there when you can from Barcelona?

Interesting theory but I don't think it works, at least from Lisbon. Could Tui use the airlift elsewhere for their cruise operation? Possibly.

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Lisbon has big cruise ship terminals. What is the big difference between calling in a port or starting and ending a trip.
 
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Re: Confirmed: HiFly adding second hand A380s

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:24 pm

Hmmm finding qualified A380 pilots might be a challenge as there’s already not too many of them flying around. Why not look for Airbus wide body qualified pilots instead and just put them through a difference training course and bond them for some time if they have to?
 
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Re: Confirmed: HiFly adding second hand A380s

Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:43 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
bananaboy wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:

The UK cruising operation is only one third of the whole TUI cruising operation.


I'm aware of that. Still doesn't make your theory any more likely to happen in my opinion. Lisbon is not ideally located for a cruise turnaround port..for the key cruise areas it would increase costs as it would require additional sea days; why offer Canary Island cruises from LIS when you can from Tenerife, or Med cruises from there when you can from Barcelona?

Interesting theory but I don't think it works, at least from Lisbon. Could Tui use the airlift elsewhere for their cruise operation? Possibly.

Mark


Lisbon has big cruise ship terminals. What is the big difference between calling in a port or starting and ending a trip.


The considerations are very different but I don't want to derail this thread with a discussion on cruise ship operations. Happy to PM you if you want more info.

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Re: Confirmed: HiFly adding second hand A380s

Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:24 pm

It seems like only time will tell what happens with Hi Fly and their A380's. I could easily see them performing any of the operations that Hi Fly has offered in the past. Short term wet leases for Haj, or when A/C will be down for longer MX issues, or even one offs, especially when a carrier has a mini meltdown and leaves hundreds of passengers stranded abroad, that could even be Norwegian, although that seems to have happened less often now that their 787 fleet is larger and more mature.
 
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Re: Confirmed: HiFly adding second hand A380s

Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:21 am

mjoelnir wrote:
bananaboy wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:

The UK cruising operation is only one third of the whole TUI cruising operation.


I'm aware of that. Still doesn't make your theory any more likely to happen in my opinion. Lisbon is not ideally located for a cruise turnaround port..for the key cruise areas it would increase costs as it would require additional sea days; why offer Canary Island cruises from LIS when you can from Tenerife, or Med cruises from there when you can from Barcelona?

Interesting theory but I don't think it works, at least from Lisbon. Could Tui use the airlift elsewhere for their cruise operation? Possibly.

Mark


Lisbon has big cruise ship terminals. What is the big difference between calling in a port or starting and ending a trip.


Cruise ships using a port as start and ending point is known as a turnaround port of call where as a cruise ship visiting the port as part of it's cruise it's then known as a a port of call.

For example those P&O cruise ships that you probably often see in Lisbon are using it as a port of call as part the of their round trip cruise from my home port of Southampton :-)

BTW TUI Portugal does exist as was pointed out in your recent thread that was locked by the mods, as stated TUI Portugal is a travel agency and the Portuguese agency for TUI, they do not have an in house airline based in Portugal in the way that other members of the TUI group have.
 
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Re: Confirmed: HiFly adding second hand A380s

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:21 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
This, posted today, quotes Hi Fly's president as saying that the A380 aircraft acquired are ex-SQ -SKA and -SKB, which are Dr Peters frames. It does not say when the interview quoted from took place.

While a leasing company will be recorded as leasor (middleman for Airbus and RR) for HiFly lease, Airbus buyback has almost certainly been invoked.
 
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Re: Confirmed: HiFly adding second hand A380s

Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:34 am

Planesmart wrote:
While a leasing company will be recorded as leasor (middleman for Airbus and RR) for HiFly lease, Airbus buyback has almost certainly been invoked.


Any base/source for that or just twisting reality based on nothing to make it fit in your bias?
 
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Re: Confirmed: HiFly adding second hand A380s

Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:52 am

A388 wrote:
I do know that TUI uses Montego Bay and Barbados as home ports for their cruise ships in the Caribbean but I'm not sure how it works precisely. About the airports being able to handle the A380, I think at the moment they can't but I can imagine if an airline commits to flying the A380 to any airport they will upgrade the airport to A380's standards provided the potential A380 airline signs a contract to actually fly the A380 to those airports. An airport isn't going to invest in facilities to accomodate the A380 if there won't be an A380 flying in and out of that airport.

A388


What about airports on the UK end? Cardiff nor Bristol which do see Thomson 787 flights are not A380 capable. Doncaster would be in the same boat. I think DSA can land the A380 like CWL but they wouldn't have any A380 capable gates.
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Re: HiFly adding second hand A380s?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:51 am

A388 wrote:
Congrats to HiFly on this historical achievement!!!! I assume that A380 will be flying for one airline for a longer period instead of doing only occasional flight for more airlines when they need it? TUI Netherlands occasionally uses HiFly aircraft when their own aircraft are AOG or not available for whatever reason. I assume the A380 won't be available for such one-off flights?

A388

How many airports served by TUI Netherlands are even capable of accepting A380s? Obviously some will be, Miami for example, but most of the Caribbean airports they fly to aren't, and they surely wouldn't use an A380 on a shorthaul flight to the Canaries or a small Greek island even if it was physically possible!

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