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Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:14 am

 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:18 am

The Greek carrier will also acquire a "significant number" of new A320neo-family aircraft from leasing companies, Airbus says, in detailing the commitment.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:29 am

For now , it seems there is no competition on narrowbodies. NEO can still outsell MAX even with this backlog.

But there is still competition left for widebodies.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:37 am

imthedreamliner wrote:
For now , it seems there is no competition on narrowbodies. NEO can still outsell MAX even with this backlog.

Considering they are an Airbus shop, it's not a surprise at all.

Far more interesting is

The company has initiated negotiations with both engine manufacturers and is expected to make an engine decision selection by July 2018.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:53 am

imthedreamliner wrote:
For now , it seems there is no competition on narrowbodies. NEO can still outsell MAX even with this backlog.

But there is still competition left for widebodies.

You say that as if the Max also doesn’t have a long backlog, or as if Aegean is not already an existing A320 operator.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:26 pm

imthedreamliner wrote:
For now , it seems there is no competition on narrowbodies. NEO can still outsell MAX even with this backlog.

But there is still competition left for widebodies.


When orders have been this low it doesn't matter:
Airbus: 35 firm
vs
Boeing: 18 firm

One major order will immediately reset the balance.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:30 pm

Congrats to Aegean & Airbus, the NEO will be a good fit for them. :thumbsup:
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:36 pm

A good day for A3 and Airbus. It was never really in doubt about who it would go to.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:47 pm

About 3 weeks worth of production. Or 2 weeks when they are delivered.
"Never mistake motion for action." Ernest Hemingway
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:26 pm

OA260 wrote:
A good day for A3 and Airbus. It was never really in doubt about who it would go to.


Wouldn't though the Cseries make some commercial sense to them especially the winter months?
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:30 pm

Draken21fx wrote:
OA260 wrote:
A good day for A3 and Airbus. It was never really in doubt about who it would go to.


Wouldn't though the Cseries make some commercial sense to them especially the winter months?


They handled 13.2 million passengers last year, I think they are fine with the A320.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:38 pm

nikeson13 wrote:
Draken21fx wrote:
OA260 wrote:
A good day for A3 and Airbus. It was never really in doubt about who it would go to.


Wouldn't though the Cseries make some commercial sense to them especially the winter months?

Wouldn't be suprised to see a order after the Airbus/BBD deal goes through. Fleet currently:
1 A319
38 A320
9(+1) A321
12 A321NEO replace the A321 fleet almost 1-1, 30 A320NEO replace most of the A320 fleet, and that leaves about 7-10 more aircraft to replace the rest of the A320s and the single A319. That's assuming no growth or expansion. So a good target customer for a dozen or so CS100/300s once Airbus is allowed to sell them.


Yes though it was stated that they will also be leasing a decent number of additional A32Xs.
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MAX’d out on MAX threads. If you are starting a thread, and it’s about the MAX - stop. There’s already a thread that covers it.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:40 pm

Draken21fx wrote:
OA260 wrote:
A good day for A3 and Airbus. It was never really in doubt about who it would go to.


Wouldn't though the Cseries make some commercial sense to them especially the winter months?

Wouldn't be suprised to see a order after the Airbus/BBD deal goes through. Fleet currently:
1 A319
38 A320
9(+1) A321
12 A321NEO replace the A321 fleet almost 1-1, 30 A320NEO replace most of the A320 fleet, and that leaves about 7-10 more aircraft to replace the rest of the A320s and the single A319. That's assuming no growth or expansion. So a good target customer for a dozen or so CS100/300s once Airbus is allowed to sell them.
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:44 pm

nikeson13 wrote:
Draken21fx wrote:
OA260 wrote:
A good day for A3 and Airbus. It was never really in doubt about who it would go to.


Wouldn't though the Cseries make some commercial sense to them especially the winter months?

Wouldn't be suprised to see a order after the Airbus/BBD deal goes through. Fleet currently:
1 A319
38 A320
9(+1) A321
12 A321NEO replace the A321 fleet almost 1-1, 30 A320NEO replace most of the A320 fleet, and that leaves about 7-10 more aircraft to replace the rest of the A320s and the single A319. That's assuming no growth or expansion. So a good target customer for a dozen or so CS100/300s once Airbus is allowed to sell them.

That is why A3 has 12 options for the A320neo family. They can easily replace their entire A320 fleet with this order. That is not say they might not be interested in something smaller to bridge the gap between the Olympic Q400s and the A320.
 
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Aegean commits to 30 A320neo's

Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:14 pm

http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/aegea ... -aircraft/

20x A320neo and 10x A321neo. I can't say I didn't see this coming, but as a Greek myself, I have to say: They better put them on some domestic routes ;)
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Re: Aegean commits to 30 A320neo's

Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:28 pm

Any word on engine choice? They operate IAE on the ceo models, but with the Pratt issues, would they switch to CFM?

-Rowen
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:28 pm

Polot wrote:
nikeson13 wrote:
Draken21fx wrote:

Wouldn't though the Cseries make some commercial sense to them especially the winter months?

Wouldn't be suprised to see a order after the Airbus/BBD deal goes through. Fleet currently:
1 A319
38 A320
9(+1) A321
12 A321NEO replace the A321 fleet almost 1-1, 30 A320NEO replace most of the A320 fleet, and that leaves about 7-10 more aircraft to replace the rest of the A320s and the single A319. That's assuming no growth or expansion. So a good target customer for a dozen or so CS100/300s once Airbus is allowed to sell them.

That is why A3 has 12 options for the A320neo family. They can easily replace their entire A320 fleet with this order. That is not say they might not be interested in something smaller to bridge the gap between the Olympic Q400s and the A320.


I think I read somewhere that they are looking to get rid of the Q400.

I have a feeling that Aegean will eventually operate an all Airbus fleet while Sky Express might take over regional and domestic flights where the A320 is too big of an aircraft.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:29 pm

Blerg wrote:

They handled 13.2 million passengers last year, I think they are fine with the A320.



Blerg wrote:
I think I read somewhere that they are looking to get rid of the Q400.

I have a feeling that Aegean will eventually operate an all Airbus fleet while Sky Express might take over regional and domestic flights where the A320 is too big of an aircraft.


I would be very interested to see their load factors especially from "middle" sized airports on the islands in the winter time. I suspect a 320 is too much of an aircraft in these cases hence the C series would be more appropriate for destinations like KGS, AXD etc

Also isnt Sky Express completely independent to Aegean? Which regional and domestic flights do you have in mind? Dont forget that part of the reason Sky Express is still alive and operating is that some of the, island especially, destinations are very seasonal and a 320 is too much of an aircraft indeed.

In my view they should keep their 320, 321 to destinations like Cyprus, SKG, HER or any of the top 6-7 airports in Greece and utilise a CS100 or CS300 for smaller airports. Same goes for some routes around the Balkans.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:46 am

The entire A320ceo fleet will not be replaced, there are some frames that will be only 4-5 years old when for Neo's arrive. A3 has a business model with an out look of 70~ aircraft (by mainline A3 alone).
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:02 am

The A321ceos are likely candidates for replacement, as well as older A320s and that oddball A319 (the entire Aegean fleet is leased, many via sale-leasebacks). I also have to wonder how much of this will be to protect the Larnaca business against Cobalt Air (Aegean opened a hub there after the original Cyprus Airways collapsed). I would not be surprised to see most of the order become A321neo.

Possibilities I see with more A321s:
All CDG service goes to the A321 (currently 1 A321 and 1 A320 daily)
AMS goes to an A321 (currently an A320)
Expansion perhaps to India and Dubai? (India is about as far as one can get with an A321 and DEL is well within the range of the A321neo; Dubai isn't served by A3 on its own metal.)
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:08 am

Will Aegean ever explore the possibility of flying long haul or are they pretty happy with their current network?
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:52 am

Draken21fx wrote:
Blerg wrote:

They handled 13.2 million passengers last year, I think they are fine with the A320.



Blerg wrote:
I think I read somewhere that they are looking to get rid of the Q400.

I have a feeling that Aegean will eventually operate an all Airbus fleet while Sky Express might take over regional and domestic flights where the A320 is too big of an aircraft.


I would be very interested to see their load factors especially from "middle" sized airports on the islands in the winter time. I suspect a 320 is too much of an aircraft in these cases hence the C series would be more appropriate for destinations like KGS, AXD etc

Also isnt Sky Express completely independent to Aegean? Which regional and domestic flights do you have in mind? Dont forget that part of the reason Sky Express is still alive and operating is that some of the, island especially, destinations are very seasonal and a 320 is too much of an aircraft indeed.

In my view they should keep their 320, 321 to destinations like Cyprus, SKG, HER or any of the top 6-7 airports in Greece and utilise a CS100 or CS300 for smaller airports. Same goes for some routes around the Balkans.


I think they are sticking to the Airbus fleet in order to reduce costs. With domestic fares being as low as €19 and many of them only existing due to government subsidies, I can't imagine them being cash cows or one of Aegean's priority. Naturally this does not apply the destinations you mentioned. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually sign a deal with Sky Express which would operate most of these other destination. Aegean could still sell them through a code-share.

A friend of mine flies for Aegean and he told me that the airline (and pilots) were not happy with the Q400 on many domestic sectors. The plane is too fast and not as agile as the Atr, especially when it comes to destinations that require a lot of maneuvering. I guess that's why the Q400 fleet has not grown over the years.

Mind you, most domestic and regional destinations are carrying the Olympic code in order to reduce costs. There was even mention of Cyprus being moved into this category.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:55 am

Draken21fx wrote:
OA260 wrote:
A good day for A3 and Airbus. It was never really in doubt about who it would go to.


Wouldn't though the Cseries make some commercial sense to them especially the winter months?


Clearly they don't think so. They're not averse to Bombardier products, they operate Q400s and Dash8-100s, but buying planes that are undoubtedly too small for summer demand because they might be the right size for the winter obviously isn't for them. Aegean started out with six brand new Avro RJ100s (I have fond memories of travelling on them), but soon decided that they were too small. Olympic Airways had 3 717s, and they went at privatisation, the new owners (before Aegean) decided they were too small.
Nowadays Aegean has nothing between a turboprop and an A319, and I do mean just one A319, which almost certainly disappears as part of this new order.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:34 am

Speedalive wrote:
Will Aegean ever explore the possibility of flying long haul or are they pretty happy with their current network?


They've repeatedly stated they're not interested in long haul. However they've also repeatedly stated they'd like to expand their short/medium haul network and grow to 70 aircraft.
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:53 am

Speedalive wrote:
Will Aegean ever explore the possibility of flying long haul or are they pretty happy with their current network?


It comes up in every A3 thread. Short answer no. There is no profit in it for A3. They are sticking to what they do best and that is European and mid haul operations within the range of their current fleet. Thankfully A3 have sense and are not into setting up routes for the sake of pride.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:10 am

keesje wrote:
About 3 weeks worth of production. Or 2 weeks when they are delivered.


3 weeks of production and a year in storage as a glider :bouncy:

The engine issues from both sides are perhaps the reason they aren't making a decision until July...
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:05 pm

The question is, "Which new routes will they be flying with these planes?"...... keep in mind that you are limited to the what is within the range of the plane.......but they also have most of Europe covered, too. So, essentially, Middle East, the closer parts of Africa, and whatever else is left in Europe.

Most obvious choice would be ATH-ADD. No direct flights to Africa from ATH, and also the fact that ET and A3 are Star Alliance partners. One of the most-wanted routes is ATH-JNB, but don't expect that anytime soon, given the agendas of A3 and SA. But ET can certainly connect these two cities out of ADD, as a code-share.

SKG to the new Eilat airport in Israel is something that has been talked about, among Greek aviation enthusiasts. New airport, but the only international carrier that is a "network"(as on non-tourist/seasonal) is PS, and they only recently signed up.

Iceland and Greece are not currently connected, so ATH-KEF would make sense, especially with Iceland and Greece both popular tourist spots these days.

ATH(or SKG) to AER........no EU carrier flies to AER, and there is a fair amount of Greek population there.

HER-ORK sounds like it would work.....

ATH to MCT, SEZ, GOT, SVG, NCL, KHE, perhaps?.........KLX-CDG?..........SKG-GVA?

A3 has been known to throw some odd routes, from time to time. People are still scratching their heads about HER-DOL.....but it's apparently making money.

Needless to say, it's going to be interesting, and I certainly hope that A3 makes some good choices.
 
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Re: Aegean signs MoU for 20+10 Airbus 320neo and 321neo

Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:16 pm

Freshside3 wrote:
The question is, "Which new routes will they be flying with these planes?"...... keep in mind that you are limited to the what is within the range of the plane.......but they also have most of Europe covered, too. So, essentially, Middle East, the closer parts of Africa, and whatever else is left in Europe.


We could very well see more flights to Russia as well as to India, both countries that can be well covered by the NEOs. Greece is becoming a popular holiday destination in India, including out of the summer season. Having some relatives from Southeast Asia (read "warm countries", as opposed to cold/rainy northwest Europe for example), I've noticed that they don't really chase the sun for their holidays. They just elect to visit a country whenever it's convenient for them. This might be a promising market for Aegean Airlines and the Greek tourism industry all together.

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