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Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:28 pm
by dtw2hyd
Haven't seen this on a.net but in a recent event, Aeroflot sent Fairfax, VA based American citizens to New Delhi. And also threatened them to deport to India.

Best part he saying "I am now talking to Indian passengers" while waving American passport.

Ignorant got promoted out of sequence because he can speak English.

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/local-c ... /506642315

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:59 pm
by petertenthije
Looks like the passengers had their (transit-) visas expire due to flight cancellations caused by weather at final destination.

It is usual procedures to be sent back to where they came from in case the visa expires. But I wonder if exceptions are not normally made on transit visas in case of weather delays and similar acts of God.

And as always, we have heard one side only.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:54 pm
by dtw2hyd
petertenthije wrote:
Looks like the passengers had their (transit-) visas expire due to flight cancellations caused by weather at final destination.

It is usual procedures to be sent back to where they came from in case the visa expires. But I wonder if exceptions are not normally made on transit visas in case of weather delays and similar acts of God.

And as always, we have heard one side only.


As always, excuses, excuses, excuses. Apparently, this jumo had different criteria to send who where, not the passport they were carrying.

If these US Citizens were on single entry e-visa to India, why should India accept and keep in India, until weather situation is resolved at their final destination?

Also, no onward booking was made to the final destination, even through New Delhi.

Couldn't he send them to any European SkyTeam hub with visa waiver to US citizens?

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:45 am
by WIederling
petertenthije wrote:
And as always, we have heard one side only.


The WUSA9 story reads "synthetic".
( and what is so special about US-citizens? are they privileged to get their every whim and whinnie? )

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:53 pm
by dtw2hyd
WIederling wrote:
...
( and what is so special about US-citizens? are they privileged to get their every whim and whinnie? )


US Passport gives visa-free entry to most of the world, except the two countries involved here ie., Russia and India.

According to the report, it was other Aeroflot agents who pointed out why they are going back to India, but this guy insisted and threated to make their life miserable if they don't go back to India.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:38 pm
by ElPistolero
petertenthije wrote:
Looks like the passengers had their (transit-) visas expire due to flight cancellations caused by weather at final destination.

It is usual procedures to be sent back to where they came from in case the visa expires. But I wonder if exceptions are not normally made on transit visas in case of weather delays and similar acts of God.

And as always, we have heard one side only.


Sorry, but that's utter nonsense.

It would definitively NOT be "usual procedures" to send, for instance, an Indian citizen returning from the US to India back to the US in this situation. No immigration authority is obligated to take in a foreign citizen, regardless of visa considerations, especially after they've exited the country.

As for "one side only", both sides are represented here. There is a video of an Aeroflot employee insisting that he is speaking to "Indian" passengers while holding their US passport. The Aeroflot employee is clear: if you look Indian, you will be treated like an Indian citizen, regardless of your actual citizenship. (And no, India does not allow dual citizenship.)

This wont come as a surprise to anyone who is familiar with Russia. Overt racism is just a fact of life there now - one of the more notable regressions since the Soviet era.

I hope they sue.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:49 pm
by tommy1808
dtw2hyd wrote:
WIederling wrote:
...
( and what is so special about US-citizens? are they privileged to get their every whim and whinnie? )


US Passport gives visa-free entry to most of the world, except the two countries involved here ie., Russia and India..


You mean those two plus 43 others you need a VISA too? A US Passport gets you visa free in just as many countries as a belgian one and in fewer than a finnisch, french , italian, spanisch, UK, swedish or german passport. Although just by between one and three additional ones.

best regards
Thomas

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:58 pm
by ElPistolero
WIederling wrote:

The WUSA9 story reads "synthetic".
( and what is so special about US-citizens? are they privileged to get their every whim and whinnie? )


Nothing.

Well, other than that, like any citizen of any country, they have a right to be treated the same way as their fellow US citizens are treated. Regardless of their skin colour.

The problem here is the 'little Russian' mindset that can't fathom how a person who looks Indian can be a US citizen. Aeroflot is very lucky that the Indian Government let the person re-enter India instead of putting them back on the Aeroflot plane.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:58 pm
by tommy1808
ElPistolero wrote:
The problem here is the 'little Russian' mindset that can't fathom how a person who looks Indian can be a US citizen.


considering how diverse Russian Citizens are i´d rather think it was one jerk with a small mindset, not something bigger...

best regards
Thomas

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:29 pm
by ElPistolero
tommy1808 wrote:
ElPistolero wrote:
The problem here is the 'little Russian' mindset that can't fathom how a person who looks Indian can be a US citizen.


considering how diverse Russian Citizens are i´d rather think it was one jerk with a small mindset, not something bigger...

best regards
Thomas


Then you'll find that the proportion of "jerks" is higher in Russia than it is anywhere in the west. Several western governments advise against, indeed even prohibit, their own visible minority diplomats/bureaucrats from going to Russia on official business due to overt racism (which western governments naturally feel obligated to protect their employees from).

Many western companies (including German MNCs) take a similar approach and warn against racism in their internal travel advisories. This is consistent with national travel advisories that explicitly note that non-Europeans may face overt racism in Russia. You won't find similar warnings for Canada or Germany.

Note that I do not think all Russians are racist. Only that there is a significantly greater incidence (and tolerance) of overt racism in Russia than in the west, as a result of which incidents such as this are not surprising.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:08 pm
by Route66
tommy1808 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
WIederling wrote:
...
( and what is so special about US-citizens? are they privileged to get their every whim and whinnie? )


US Passport gives visa-free entry to most of the world, except the two countries involved here ie., Russia and India..


You mean those two plus 43 others you need a VISA too? A US Passport gets you visa free in just as many countries as a belgian one and in fewer than a finnisch, french , italian, spanisch, UK, swedish or german passport. Although just by between one and three additional ones.

best regards
Thomas


Yes we know. Europe will always be superior at everything. And you will be the one to reflexively "prove" it.

What did Europe have to do with this conversation?

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:03 pm
by WIederling
ElPistolero wrote:
The problem here is the 'little Russian' mindset that can't fathom how a person who looks Indian can be a US citizen. Aeroflot is very lucky that the Indian Government let the person re-enter India instead of putting them back on the Aeroflot plane.


You may have to wrap your mind around the fact that "no valid visa individuals" go the way they came.

Seems to the be airlines job to see to it that their pax have valid travel documents:
https://m.aeroflot.ru/de-en/before_and_ ... stom_rules

PS: I've heard enough horror stories of malfunctioning entry into the US ( on first blush invariably caused by local uniformed small minds )
to go low profile accusing others of "small minds"

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:17 pm
by dtw2hyd
WIederling wrote:
You may have to wrap your mind around the fact that "no valid visa individuals" go the way they came.

Seems to the be airlines job to see to it that their pax have valid travel documents:
https://m.aeroflot.ru/de-en/before_and_ ... stom_rules

PS: I've heard enough horror stories of malfunctioning entry into the US ( on first blush invariably caused by local uniformed small minds )
to go low profile accusing others of "small minds"


"no valid visa" rule is applicable to all Americans on that plane. Why only these were singled out, while others were booked to US and EU.

If Russian airside transit tules are not suitable for some people, Aeroflot shouldn't sell tickets to them.

Aeroflot can do whatever they want, they shouldn't be part of SkyTeam.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:44 am
by DDR
WIederling wrote:
petertenthije wrote:
And as always, we have heard one side only.


The WUSA9 story reads "synthetic".
( and what is so special about US-citizens? are they privileged to get their every whim and whinnie? )


As always, you missed the whole point of the issue because of your hatred.

Wlederling’s hatred of Americans and all things American is borderline psychotic. Seriously, just look at his past posts. Never misses a chance to make a juvenile comment. And I do me juvenile, not even slightly unbiased or educated. You do make me laugh though. And I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:12 am
by WIederling
DDR wrote:
..........

finished?

What about those two having their visa expiry too near term versus most other travellers still having leeway?
From the US they should know that berating uniformed people with power is not a satisfying hobby.
( at least Russians don't shoot you on sight... not even in Soviet times when an armed Red Army soldier was
placed at the stairs to see to it that you take the right turn on leaving the plane ;-)

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:54 am
by SheikhDjibouti
DDR wrote:
WIederling wrote:
The WUSA9 story reads "synthetic".......

As always, you missed the whole point of the issue because of your hatred.

Wlederling’s hatred of Americans and all things American is borderline psychotic. Seriously, just look at his past posts. Never misses a chance to make a juvenile comment. And I do me juvenile, not even slightly unbiased or educated. You do make me laugh though. And I’m sure I’m not the only one.

That is totally uncalled for, but instead of reporting your post and having it deleted, I'll leave it here so that people can understand who you are.

I find Wlederling posts across a wide range of subjects, offering insightful comments on all things, many of which have nothing to do with America.
I don't consider him juvenile or psychotic; quite the opposite in fact.
And yes, quite often he makes me laugh too.
Unlike your post which only makes me very sad.

DDR; You are a veteran poster with over 1100 contributions to these boards - how could you let yourself down so badly?

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:17 pm
by dtw2hyd
WIederling wrote:
What about those two having their visa expiry too near term versus most other travellers still having leeway?...


Care to explain which visa? or are you building a story based on your lack of knowledge?

They are US Citizens- no need for US Visa.
Visiting India- sure they had a visa, luckily they still had Indian visa validity.

No one needs or had Russian visas to transit within 24 hours. Because Aeroflot cannot find a flight within permitted 24 hours transit time, they have to ship them somewhere.

I think Aeroflot should be sued by passengers in US and Indian government should impose fine for wrongfully sending them back.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:41 pm
by ElPistolero
WIederling wrote:
ElPistolero wrote:
The problem here is the 'little Russian' mindset that can't fathom how a person who looks Indian can be a US citizen. Aeroflot is very lucky that the Indian Government let the person re-enter India instead of putting them back on the Aeroflot plane.


You may have to wrap your mind around the fact that "no valid visa individuals" go the way they came.

Seems to the be airlines job to see to it that their pax have valid travel documents:
https://m.aeroflot.ru/de-en/before_and_ ... stom_rules

PS: I've heard enough horror stories of malfunctioning entry into the US ( on first blush invariably caused by local uniformed small minds )
to go low profile accusing others of "small minds"


Nope - don't need to wrap my head around anything.

(1) If they "go the way they came", then as US citizens on the inbound segment of a US-originating round trip, they "came" from the US. And that is where they should "go". Not to a third country.

(2) Valid documents do not obligate any immigration authority in the world to let a foreign citizen enter/re-enter.

To put it very simply, if you show up at a border post and tell the border police:

- You have no purpose for entering
- You dont actually want to return but were forced by Aeroflot
- You haven't made any arrangements for staying because you had no intention of returning
- You will only leave when Aeroflot is willing to take you back

How do you think that will end?

If this had been an Indian citizen sent back to the US under similar circumstances, what do you think US CBP would do? Let him/her enter? Or escort him/her back to the plane and fine Aeroflot?

Aeroflot is lucky Indian immigration didn't throw the book at them. They would not have been so lucky elsewhere.

(3) What's wrong with calling a spade a spade? Anyone who insists they are talking to Indians (while holding their US passports) evidently because their brain can't process the fact that people who look like Indians can be American citizens is, by definition, small minded. And racist.

Perhaps I am being harsh. Maybe the person in question suffers from an extreme cognitive disability. In which case, I suppose we should all applaud Aeroflot's employment equity policies, insofar as they're willing to employ the severely cognitively handicapped.

(4) I'm not interested in games of whataboutism. That "malfunctioning" entries (or indeed outright racism) occur in the US or elsewhere does not excuse what occurred here. My response would have been the same if this had involved UA, AA etc, or AF,KL etc.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:55 pm
by ElPistolero
WIederling wrote:
DDR wrote:
..........


What about those two having their visa expiry too near term versus most other travellers still having leeway?


The interweb tells me foreign nationals (including US nationals) don't need a transit visa for a less-than-24 hour transit. Unless "most other travellers" were planning to stay for more than 24 hours, they wouldn't have had visas and would consequently face the exact same "visa expiry" issue. Yet they were treated differently.

That is the crux of the issue: Aeroflot treated two sets of US citizens, subject to the exact same "visa conditions", differently on the basis of their appearance.

Perhaps you should consider looking into/ understanding the issue before making such authoritative statements.

Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:47 pm
by thekorean
http://www.newsweek.com/russian-airline ... dia-867094

Apparently, Aeroflot thought just because they had the same skin color, and was coming from Delhi, their nationality was Indian and not US.

Bizarre. Won't help Russian reputation when it comes to racisim.

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:02 pm
by sanjet
I wondered why minorities traveled through Russia, rough place to transit through if you are not white in my opinion.

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:06 pm
by ScottB
thekorean wrote:
Apparently, Aeroflot thought just because they had the same skin color, and was coming from Delhi, their nationality was Indian and not US.


The aggrieved passengers allege that "white American passengers who had been on the same flight from Delhi were alleged to have been offered tickets for other connections." That may or may not be true. But in general this is one of the risks of transiting through a country which requires a visa to enter but offers transit without visa: You may end up in an awkward situation if your onward flight is cancelled and you cannot be reaccommodated within the visa-free transit period. In that situation, the normal practice would indeed be for the transit passenger to be returned on a flight to his or her point of origin, whether or not that happens to be the country of his or her citizenship.

The airline can't issue a transit visa; that's a function of the Russian government and typically requires a visit to a consulate.

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:07 pm
by EvanWSFO
It's not going to get better anytime soon. Some weirdly convoluted form of the cold war is returning.

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:08 pm
by deltadawg
sanjet wrote:
I wondered why minorities traveled through Russia, rough place to transit through if you are not white in my opinion.


To be totally fair, this comment is somewhat inflammatory in and of itself. To broad stroke an entire nation is paramount to being reckless. That being said, there is always some sort of bigotry or racism that exists in the world no matter where it may be. There is no corner of the globe that is immune. However, the story does not state if the passengers presented any sort of identification (passport) to authenticate their nationality so IF the Aeroflot employee was ignorant or bigoted then yes he or she could have done exactly what was described for no other reason than he or she felt some sort of ill will toward minorities presented in the article. Additionally, each person in the world, be it Bellingham, Washington, USA or Masasi, Tanzania is subject to unique circumstances that affect their feelings toward other races, cultures or creeds.

That being said, I have been to Russia three times, St. Petersburg back in the early 90's, Svetogorsk, north of St. Petersburg and right on the Finnish border (actually crossed over from Finland) and Moscow back in 2006 several years after the Beslan School shootings. I do remember that there was a lot of talk about hatred for Muslims and Chechens due to the school shootings. For all we know the Aeroflot employee could have been either in the Beslan School that day or a relative of deceased victim. I could definitely understand any hate or dislike of "others" that are not like yourself if subject to any terror like the school hostage shootings.

Step into someone else's shoes to understand why they do what they do.

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:10 pm
by lhrsfosyd
Perhaps that will teach them not to transit primitive countries in future.

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:16 pm
by andrefranca
and here we go, at this moment while I type I am hearing from CNN on the background that Aeroflot had its plane "randomly searched" without explanation in LHR and the crew were told to leave.... so the tit for tat is here....

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:27 pm
by ltbewr
Probably Aeroflot offered the cheapest price to get to/from the USA and India for the times, dates they wanted, maybe they bought a 'restricted' ticket through some discount ticket broker with lower priority of new connections. While you get what you pay for and their their limited transit visas meant they had to return to India, it seems racial/ethnic discrimination could be at play, for sure Aeroflot could have found some way around it like a flight to Europe and not look like United.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:03 am
by texdravid
I have never heard of using Aeroflot and Moscow as a one stop to India from the US!
My, that is really asking for it! It seems they got what they paid for. It’s like the international version of travel hell from Allegiant or Spirit airlines.

And yes they also found out the hard way that ethnicity and all the racism that surrounds that still exists in 2018.

They are many instances of older white patients in America that come across an Indian doctor and state flatly that they want a white doctor instead, not realizing that the scorned doctor was born in Houston, trained in New York and is married to a white woman.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:11 am
by dz09
what if things were reversed? say any American traveling from Moscow back to the US via some city in india, no available flights and no transit visa? would the outcome been different? knowing how Indians operate, these americans would have been sent back to Moscow for sure. I have never been to india but I had my share of conflicts with indian airport agents in the UAE, Saudi and elsewhere in the ME. I can tell you that dealing with most of them was not pleasant.

there must be some rules on handling situations like this. Curious to know what they are.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:40 am
by PayaLebar
ElPistolero wrote:
(And no, India does not allow dual citizenship.)


What about this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_ ... p_of_India?

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:02 am
by andrefranca
PayaLebar wrote:
ElPistolero wrote:
(And no, India does not allow dual citizenship.)


What about this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_ ... p_of_India?


But most of them have the "Person of Indian Origin card" which is pretty much an Indian green card for them and their descendants ....

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:04 am
by Varsity1
I'm American, however they sound like two 'special snowflakes' that barked up the wrong tree. In the US that might get your way, in Russia, it gets you sent to India.

Tough lesson to learn, but they don't have a legal leg to stand on. The rest of the world isn't as soft and nice as the USA.

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:21 am
by Kashmon
thekorean wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/russian-airline-threatened-deport-transiting-asian-americans-back-india-867094

Apparently, Aeroflot thought just because they had the same skin color, and was coming from Delhi, their nationality was Indian and not US.

Bizarre. Won't help Russian reputation when it comes to racisim.


I think Russians are quite proud to be racist
unlike western countries they do not keep apologizing for their existence or culture

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:20 am
by eta unknown
I agree there is more to this story. Aeroflot does not care what your nationality is, whereas Russian immigration is another story- they are deporting the pax, not the airline which is caught in the middle. The tickets are most likely non-endorseable/re-routable so if pax didn't want to get sent back to India, they would have needed to pay for their own tickets to the US via another European point.
Now this is what I find interesting- how were these pax allowed back into India? DId they have a second passport (yeah lots of people here are saying dual citizenship isn't allowed, but come on guys you know there are many ways around this) or a multiple-entry visa? And why did they voluntarily enter?

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:25 am
by tjcab
Kashmon wrote:
thekorean wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/russian-airline-threatened-deport-transiting-asian-americans-back-india-867094

Apparently, Aeroflot thought just because they had the same skin color, and was coming from Delhi, their nationality was Indian and not US.

Bizarre. Won't help Russian reputation when it comes to racisim.


I think Russians are quite proud to be racist
unlike western countries they do not keep apologizing for their existence or culture


I always prefer directness over a facade of acceptance while behaving very badly. Lets just discuss this incident without the blanket, non-quantifiable generalizations. Many other countries come to mind before them.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:34 am
by STLflyer
texdravid wrote:
I have never heard of using Aeroflot and Moscow as a one stop to India from the US!
My, that is really asking for it! It seems they got what they paid for. It’s like the international version of travel hell from Allegiant or Spirit airlines.


That was my first thought. I would never, ever transit in a country I didn't have permissions to enter in the event of IRROPS unless I literally had no other choice. I would like to know that if I'm delayed until the next day, I can freely enter the country, get a hotel and eat a decent meal.

I hope for their sake, the Aeroflot flight was significantly cheaper than the other dozen options they had for getting from the U.S. to India.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:51 am
by smallvoyageur
Interesting there is a YouTube clip about this episode, https://youtu.be/k0Lfw8DZpBU .

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:38 am
by lhrsfosyd
Aeroflot could have easily rerouted them via AMS, CDG FCO or LHR to the US from Moscow. It only goes to show how incompetent, racist and primeval Russia gets.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:49 am
by globetrotter94
The only rational explanation I can think of for this is the PIO/OCI point mentioned by a previous poster. Even if a person surrenders Indian citizenship, they and their descendants (up to couple generations) can get Person of Indian Origin or Overseas Citizen of India status. This would enable them to move in and out of India visa-free. If, at the time, all of SU's alternate flights were cancelled, and they were unable to hold the passengers at SVO or provide all of them with onward connections to the US, they would have sought to minimize the damage (including possible deportation of the passengers from Russia) by sending those with no ability to re-enter India onward to the US, and those with the ability back to India. In terms of why they could not forward them to other airlines--possibly lack of seats? (I have gotten stuck at DEL flying India-US once, and during the winter holidays, it does take quite a while for any airline to sort out passage on other airlines)--or hold them at other SkyTeam hubs in the EU, etc.--there would be no reason to do that over sending them back to India.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:58 am
by lhrsfosyd
The video clearly shows how the agent referes to US citizens as 'I'm talking to Indian people' followed by a reminder by passengers that they are in fact US citizens followed by the agent storming off. This video cannot be misinterpreted and indeed the airline should have rerouted them via Sky Team hubs instead it chose to perpetuate a racist agenda.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:14 pm
by ElPistolero
PayaLebar wrote:
ElPistolero wrote:
(And no, India does not allow dual citizenship.)


What about this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_ ... p_of_India?


What about it? IIRC:

Can't vote.
Can't own certain types of land.
Can't visit certain parts of the country without a permit.
Can't work in the Government.

It's a limited form of permanent residency.

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:24 pm
by ElPistolero
deltadawg wrote:
sanjet wrote:
I wondered why minorities traveled through Russia, rough place to transit through if you are not white in my opinion.


To be totally fair, this comment is somewhat inflammatory in and of itself. To broad stroke an entire nation is paramount to being reckless. That being said, there is always some sort of bigotry or racism that exists in the world no matter where it may be. There is no corner of the globe that is immune. However, the story does not state if the passengers presented any sort of identification (passport) to authenticate their nationality so IF the Aeroflot employee was ignorant or bigoted then yes he or she could have done exactly what was described for no other reason than he or she felt some sort of ill will toward minorities presented in the article. Additionally, each person in the world, be it Bellingham, Washington, USA or Masasi, Tanzania is subject to unique circumstances that affect their feelings toward other races, cultures or creeds.

That being said, I have been to Russia three times, St. Petersburg back in the early 90's, Svetogorsk, north of St. Petersburg and right on the Finnish border (actually crossed over from Finland) and Moscow back in 2006 several years after the Beslan School shootings. I do remember that there was a lot of talk about hatred for Muslims and Chechens due to the school shootings. For all we know the Aeroflot employee could have been either in the Beslan School that day or a relative of deceased victim. I could definitely understand any hate or dislike of "others" that are not like yourself if subject to any terror like the school hostage shootings.

Step into someone else's shoes to understand why they do what they do.


I'm sure most Russians are fine people. It's equally true that many western governments and companies give their non-white employees a choice on travelling to Russia for work. They didn't make that decision in a vacuum. Poland and the Ukraine have similar issues.

The terrorisn stuff is a non-sequitur. If people are so severely traumatized, they shouldn't be in customer-facing jobs at international airports. There are more suitable jobs out there. And no, being caught in a traumatic event does not justify racism.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:33 pm
by eta unknown
lhrsfosyd wrote:
The video clearly shows how the agent referes to US citizens as 'I'm talking to Indian people' followed by a reminder by passengers that they are in fact US citizens followed by the agent storming off. This video cannot be misinterpreted and indeed the airline should have rerouted them via Sky Team hubs instead it chose to perpetuate a racist agenda.

And what was the SU agent saying to the group of people of various nationalities before that part of the video was edited? Yes, the SU agent is holding a US passport, but it's not necessarily the affected pax's. Also, the pax said they "feared for their safety" and yes, I would call them snowflakes. Again, I don't understand why they voluntarily boarded the flight to DEL and again entered India.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:40 pm
by ElPistolero
Varsity1 wrote:
I'm American, however they sound like two 'special snowflakes' that barked up the wrong tree. In the US that might get your way, in Russia, it gets you sent to India.

Tough lesson to learn, but they don't have a legal leg to stand on. The rest of the world isn't as soft and nice as the USA.


What's the lesson? That being a US citizen counts for nought if you're not white? Or is that only "snowflakes" think racism is unacceptable while..err.. "tough" (?) guys like you have no issue with US citizens being treated differently because of their appearance?

They're not Indian nationals. India doesn't have an obligation to let them in even if they have valid visas.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:44 pm
by ElPistolero
eta unknown wrote:
And what was the SU agent saying to the group of people of various nationalities before that part of the video was edited? Yes, the SU agent is holding a US passport, but it's not necessarily the affected pax's.


In that case, he could just ask them for their passports and carry on from there. Instead of insisting that they're Indians based on their appearance.

Not rocket science, although it assumes a semblance of intelligence on the CSR's part.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:48 pm
by eta unknown
The SU agent is talking to a GROUP of pax. We don't know how many of them were holding Indian passports. We do not have the full conversation on video- only a selected part, yet the OP posted this thread with a pre-determined mindset. The fact the SU agent happens to be holding a US passport while talking about the Indian pax is perhaps why the video is public- to create a (I hate these words) fake news story.
Again, the SU agent is not Russian Immigration- he does not care what their nationalities are. For the record, the pax aren't deportees, rather they are "inadmissible" due to Russian transit restrictions. I'm more shocked that several posters here actually think an airline ops agent can send pax somewhere based on skin color rather than official documentation.

Re: Aeroflot threatens to deport US CITIZENS to India

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:51 pm
by ElPistolero
Kashmon wrote:

I think Russians are quite proud to be racist
unlike western countries they do not keep apologizing for their existence or culture


Hmmm? That doesn't make any sense. One can be proud of ones existence and culture without being racist.

Unless you're arguing that the entire point of Russia's existence and culture is to be racist? Even that doesn't make sense.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:54 pm
by ElPistolero
eta unknown wrote:
The SU agent is talking to a group of pax. We don't know how many of them were holding Indian passports. We do not have the full conversation on video- only a selected part, yet the OP posted this thread with a pre-determined mindset. Again, the SU agent is not Russian Immigration- he does not care what their nationalities are. For the record, the pax aren't deportees, rather they are "inadmissible" due to Russian transit restrictions.


Regardless of the video, they got sent back to India. Prima facie, then, the video is an accurate representation of what eventually transpired.

Or perhaps they got mistakenly herded into the plane to India. Either which way, doesn't reflect well on the CSR.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:01 pm
by ElPistolero
globetrotter94 wrote:
The only rational explanation I can think of for this is the PIO/OCI point mentioned by a previous poster. Even if a person surrenders Indian citizenship, they and their descendants (up to couple generations) can get Person of Indian Origin or Overseas Citizen of India status. This would enable them to move in and out of India visa-free. If, at the time, all of SU's alternate flights were cancelled, and they were unable to hold the passengers at SVO or provide all of them with onward connections to the US, they would have sought to minimize the damage (including possible deportation of the passengers from Russia) by sending those with no ability to re-enter India onward to the US, and those with the ability back to India. In terms of why they could not forward them to other airlines--possibly lack of seats? (I have gotten stuck at DEL flying India-US once, and during the winter holidays, it does take quite a while for any airline to sort out passage on other airlines)--or hold them at other SkyTeam hubs in the EU, etc.--there would be no reason to do that over sending them back to India.


PIOs and OCIs are not entitled to visa-free travel. They have to apply for OCI and PIO visas. Having ancestors from India is not enough (for obvious reasons: lots of Pakistanis have Indian ancestry too).

As visa holders (ie not Indian nationals), they are not guaranteed entry into India. Border officials have final say. It's the same all around the world.

Re: Aeroflot sent American citizens to New Delhi

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:20 pm
by 9w748capt
texdravid wrote:
I have never heard of using Aeroflot and Moscow as a one stop to India from the US!


Of course not - SU doesn't fly to MAA. They might even hate South Indians more than AI!