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Confirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:53 pm

According to skyscanner and sources at work (work at EDI) EY are cancelling their flights from AUH to EDI.

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Re: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:14 pm

Because there is no link provided, the title will be changed to "unconfirmed" until the news is confirmed per forum rules.

UPDATE APRIL 7: A link confirming the story has now been posted, so the thread has changed to "confirmed".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edi ... e-43646021

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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:37 pm

Interesting if it turns out to be true, back when Etihad and Qatar began rival services from EDI alongside the established Emirates service from GLA, it was widely predicted that one would not last. Again if true, then the prediction was for Etihad to quit first.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:46 pm

I wonder why they have dropped it.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:35 pm

Commercial reality finally hitting home?
Let’s see how long Qatar last at CWL.....
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:49 pm

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I wonder why they have dropped it.

If it happen, probably due to Brexit to me.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:55 pm

I'm sorry, but what is the link between Brexit, and people wanting to travel on an EY flight between EDI and AUH (and beyond)? For pleasure or for business?

The world will continue to turn as it does today after Brexit.

Anyway, Brexit (whatever that will mean in 12 months time) does not happen until 12 months from now (if the plans don't slip).
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:01 pm

I hope not! I understand that a flight isn't profitible if the aircraft is completely full but out of the ME3 they had the cheapest fares from Edinburgh and were fairly popular. As stated above, maybe there isn't a market for all ME3. What would be the most popular routes for passengers originating from Edinburgh? Guessing it'll be AUH,BKK,MEL,SYD,PER, Brisbane? India/Pakistan?
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:10 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Commercial reality finally hitting home?
Let’s see how long Qatar last at CWL.....

Completely different market with no competition.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:51 pm

Jerry123 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Commercial reality finally hitting home?
Let’s see how long Qatar last at CWL.....

Completely different market with no competition.


QR will have free reign of Wales/Bristol/The southwest area. EY at EDI are fighting QR and EK not too far away.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:04 pm

Etihad will also drop Ho Chi Minh on 30AUG18.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:04 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Jerry123 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Commercial reality finally hitting home?
Let’s see how long Qatar last at CWL.....

Completely different market with no competition.


QR will have free reign of Wales/Bristol/The southwest area. EY at EDI are fighting QR and EK not too far away.


Why didn't QR end up in Bristol rather than Cardiff? Bristol is the more populous of the two cities. Is the runway at BRS too short?
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:10 pm

Last flight of ey028/027 is scheduled for 1st November also spoken to etihad staff and they confirmed that they are stopping, have no idea as to the reasoning, I assume its also co in siding with hanians services to PEK and DUB as they arrive at the same time as etihads and as we know EDI canny cope with 2 a330s a 787 and multiple 76's and 75,s until the extended part becomes operational
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:11 pm

Last flight of ey028/027 is scheduled for 1st November also spoken to etihad staff and they confirmed that they are stopping, have no idea as to the reasoning, I assume its also co in siding with hanians services to PEK and DUB as they arrive at the same time as etihads and as we know EDI canny cope with 2 a330s a 787 and multiple 76's and 75,s until the extended part becomes operational
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:18 pm

Not surprising as EY carried 117,646 passengers for 2017, which was actually 8% lower than 2016 (127,346); while EK have a growth of 9% at GLA (466,953 vs 428,098) and QR -1% (132,788 vs 133,983). Out of all ME3 that serve Scotland, EK seems to do better than the others.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:42 pm

Does Newcastle have much of an impact?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:56 pm

I see Ho Chi Min has been dropped by EY. No brsxit there that I’m aware of.

Armaghman wrote:
Does Newcastle have much of an impact?


NCL does well according to anecdotal evidence I hear but EK double daily from GLA and QR from EDI plus a bit of TK,IAG, AFKLM and I’m sure it’ll all be stiff competition.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:08 pm

Could EK serve EDI? Maybe even with one of the Glasgow flights when the upgrade work is done.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:10 pm

Adz787 wrote:
Last flight of ey028/027 is scheduled for 1st November also spoken to etihad staff and they confirmed that they are stopping, have no idea as to the reasoning, I assume its also co in siding with hanians services to PEK and DUB as they arrive at the same time as etihads and as we know EDI canny cope with 2 a330s a 787 and multiple 76's and 75,s until the extended part becomes operational

But Hainan's service will be operating for a few months before this gets dropped, and isn't the new expansion adding widebody stands?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:32 pm

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Could EK serve EDI? Maybe even with one of the Glasgow flights when the upgrade work is done.


Well given EDI's attempt in recent years to host ALL of Scotland's major air routes, you'd have to think Gordon Dewar will be off to Dubai soon to place an offer on the table...
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:33 pm

Adz787 wrote:
I assume its also co in siding with hanians services to PEK and DUB as they arrive at the same time as etihads and as we know EDI canny cope with 2 a330s a 787 and multiple 76's and 75,s until the extended part becomes operational


Highly unlikely. EDI wouldn't have taken on Hainan if they didn't have the space for them. They are not going to give one airline the boot to make room for another. As others have said, Qatar and Etihad have been offering some really good fares from EDI, even at last minute. It's unlikely they've been making a profit off the flights, and as such one has decided to quit.

Don't forget Qatar have also decided to upgrade to an A350, which is now due to operate year round, so that's going to put even more of a squeeze on the market.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:48 pm

globetrotter94 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Jerry123 wrote:
Completely different market with no competition.


QR will have free reign of Wales/Bristol/The southwest area. EY at EDI are fighting QR and EK not too far away.


Why didn't QR end up in Bristol rather than Cardiff? Bristol is the more populous of the two cities. Is the runway at BRS too short?


BRS was on the cards years ago. The idea was to open with an A319-100LR and then upgaugue to A332/788, much like BCN and other destinations were opened back in 2010ish. Then Thomson badly bent a 767 in a landing accident there, which highlighted the weather issues BRS experiences, compounded by a short runway. For this reason, BRS was abandoned, but I do not believe CWL to be a substitute - it's a completely different market.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:54 pm

JannEejit wrote:
bergkampsticket wrote:
Could EK serve EDI? Maybe even with one of the Glasgow flights when the upgrade work is done.


Well given EDI's attempt in recent years to host ALL of Scotland's major air routes, you'd have to think Gordon Dewar will be off to Dubai soon to place an offer on the table...

Why not? Anywhere else would do the same.
 
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skipness1E wrote:
Commercial reality finally hitting home?
Let’s see how long Qatar last at CWL.....


People should be rooting for routes like this to survive.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:08 pm

globetrotter94 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Jerry123 wrote:
Completely different market with no competition.


QR will have free reign of Wales/Bristol/The southwest area. EY at EDI are fighting QR and EK not too far away.


Why didn't QR end up in Bristol rather than Cardiff? Bristol is the more populous of the two cities. Is the runway at BRS too short?

Runway restrictions, Cardiff being a capital city of a country and no doubt the Welsh government were all factors.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:13 pm

sevenair wrote:
I see Ho Chi Min has been dropped by EY. No brsxit there that I’m aware of.

Armaghman wrote:
Does Newcastle have much of an impact?


NCL does well according to anecdotal evidence I hear but EK double daily from GLA and QR from EDI plus a bit of TK,IAG, AFKLM and I’m sure it’ll all be stiff competition.


Sevenair, I fear you have fallen hook line and sinker for a tongue in cheek comment regarding the propensity to blame anything and everything on brexit these days.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:30 pm

bergkampsticket wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
bergkampsticket wrote:
Could EK serve EDI? Maybe even with one of the Glasgow flights when the upgrade work is done.


Well given EDI's attempt in recent years to host ALL of Scotland's major air routes, you'd have to think Gordon Dewar will be off to Dubai soon to place an offer on the table...

Why not? Anywhere else would do the same.


You haven't had the misfortune of being stuck on the M8 motorway between Glasgow and Edinburgh have you ? :shock: ;) :D

If you have you'll understand why I'm keen for some of Scotland's major air routes to remain at Glasgow instead of being aggressively hoovered up by EDI. :hissyfit:
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:05 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
globetrotter94 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

QR will have free reign of Wales/Bristol/The southwest area. EY at EDI are fighting QR and EK not too far away.


Why didn't QR end up in Bristol rather than Cardiff? Bristol is the more populous of the two cities. Is the runway at BRS too short?


BRS was on the cards years ago. The idea was to open with an A319-100LR and then upgaugue to A332/788, much like BCN and other destinations were opened back in 2010ish. Then Thomson badly bent a 767 in a landing accident there, which highlighted the weather issues BRS experiences, compounded by a short runway. For this reason, BRS was abandoned, but I do not believe CWL to be a substitute - it's a completely different market.


A completely different market? Could you elaborate why you think it's a different market?

I think CWL is certainly the substitute - Qatar over a year ago stated they was looking to fly into the southwest of england/wales market. If Bristol had everything Qatar required facilities wise it would of been Bristol due to the purchasing power and size of the population.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:59 pm

JannEejit wrote:
bergkampsticket wrote:
JannEejit wrote:

Well given EDI's attempt in recent years to host ALL of Scotland's major air routes, you'd have to think Gordon Dewar will be off to Dubai soon to place an offer on the table...

Why not? Anywhere else would do the same.


You haven't had the misfortune of being stuck on the M8 motorway between Glasgow and Edinburgh have you ? :shock: ;) :D

If you have you'll understand why I'm keen for some of Scotland's major air routes to remain at Glasgow instead of being aggressively hoovered up by EDI. :hissyfit:


Yeah I'm Scottish. Just can't blame the EDI management for doing their best to get the best flights though.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:59 pm

bergkampsticket wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
bergkampsticket wrote:
Why not? Anywhere else would do the same.


You haven't had the misfortune of being stuck on the M8 motorway between Glasgow and Edinburgh have you ? :shock: ;) :D

If you have you'll understand why I'm keen for some of Scotland's major air routes to remain at Glasgow instead of being aggressively hoovered up by EDI. :hissyfit:


Yeah I'm Scottish. Just can't blame the EDI management for doing their best to get the best flights though.


If doing their best means offering bargain basement deals to airlines whilst turning the airport into a shopping mall to pay for it, then I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll certainly not be happy if Dewar achieves his aim of turning EDI into "Scotland's Airport" as he has stated in the past, and end up spending all my time driving to a small former RAF aerodrome that has taken on more than it can chew. We might well be a small nation but the logistics of going cross country for a sizeable chunk of the population do not add up to Edinburgh. Yes there may well be an over provision of airfields in the central belt, one at least needs to forget about providing commercial airline services, the other two need to find a more balanced approach, or we need to get back to that discussion about providing one centrally located 'MAN' style operation for all of Scotland's air travellers. Concentrating the spoils in one corner of the country is another 'mini Heathrow' scenario in the making. It's about time the Scottish Goverment comissioned a proper study on the future needs of Scotland as air travellers. Unfortunately they themselves are influenced by their own location and their life support funding of Prestwick.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:07 am

Arion640 wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
globetrotter94 wrote:

Why didn't QR end up in Bristol rather than Cardiff? Bristol is the more populous of the two cities. Is the runway at BRS too short?


BRS was on the cards years ago. The idea was to open with an A319-100LR and then upgaugue to A332/788, much like BCN and other destinations were opened back in 2010ish. Then Thomson badly bent a 767 in a landing accident there, which highlighted the weather issues BRS experiences, compounded by a short runway. For this reason, BRS was abandoned, but I do not believe CWL to be a substitute - it's a completely different market.


A completely different market? Could you elaborate why you think it's a different market?

I think CWL is certainly the substitute - Qatar over a year ago stated they was looking to fly into the southwest of england/wales market. If Bristol had everything Qatar required facilities wise it would of been Bristol due to the purchasing power and size of the population.


Yeah I also don't see BRS and CWL as 'completely different' markets. There's about an hour's drive from one to the other, perhaps slightly more, which still makes it far easier for Bristol residents to fly out of CWL than out of London.

In addition to the factors others have mentioned, I understand another factor to be that QR wanted an aerobridge which, of course, CWL has and BRS does not.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:19 am

JannEejit wrote:
bergkampsticket wrote:
JannEejit wrote:

You haven't had the misfortune of being stuck on the M8 motorway between Glasgow and Edinburgh have you ? :shock: ;) :D

If you have you'll understand why I'm keen for some of Scotland's major air routes to remain at Glasgow instead of being aggressively hoovered up by EDI. :hissyfit:


Yeah I'm Scottish. Just can't blame the EDI management for doing their best to get the best flights though.


If doing their best means offering bargain basement deals to airlines whilst turning the airport into a shopping mall to pay for it, then I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll certainly not be happy if Dewar achieves his aim of turning EDI into "Scotland's Airport" as he has stated in the past, and end up spending all my time driving to a small former RAF aerodrome that has taken on more than it can chew. We might well be a small nation but the logistics of going cross country for a sizeable chunk of the population do not add up to Edinburgh. Yes there may well be an over provision of airfields in the central belt, one at least needs to forget about providing commercial airline services, the other two need to find a more balanced approach, or we need to get back to that discussion about providing one centrally located 'MAN' style operation for all of Scotland's air travellers. Concentrating the spoils in one corner of the country is another 'mini Heathrow' scenario in the making. It's about time the Scottish Goverment comissioned a proper study on the future needs of Scotland as air travellers. Unfortunately they themselves are influenced by their own location and their life support funding of Prestwick.


Glasgow to Edinburgh is hardly cross-country.... and the M8 is not the worst of roads....

My nearest airport with an International service is 90 miles away at NCL, then GLA and EDI at about 135 miles and MAN at 142 miles...

Driving to EDI for me means using the A702, a much worse road than the M8, but it wouldn't put me off using EDI.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:26 am

Jerry123 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Commercial reality finally hitting home?
Let’s see how long Qatar last at CWL.....

Completely different market with no competition.

Rubbish, the reason BRS and CWL lack long haul is their proximity to LHR via the M4. They’ll be competing with the ME3. Also Etihad were not only competing with QR at EDI but EK at GLA in a needlessly fragmented market. These airports have massively overlapping market reach.
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Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:33 am

LAXLHR wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Commercial reality finally hitting home?
Let’s see how long Qatar last at CWL.....


People should be rooting for routes like this to survive.

You want me to cheer as if it’s a football team? “Yaaaay go Wales, the plucky taxpayer funded airport!” went the chant.
Marketing analytics is my day job, I’m not meant to be a fan boy. Qatar are in Wales because they got a taxpayer funded advantage to be there. One solitary daily flight competing with 5 QR, 3 EY and 6 EK at LHR. We’ve been here before, I know how this ends. It’s like plucky CO at BRS who left when they realised they could still get access to the same market but by flying ten mins further west, they coild actually fill the front cabin and not give it away on upgrades.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:52 am

skipness1E wrote:
Jerry123 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Commercial reality finally hitting home?
Let’s see how long Qatar last at CWL.....

Completely different market with no competition.

Rubbish, the reason BRS and CWL lack long haul is their proximity to LHR via the M4. They’ll be competing with the ME3. Also Etihad were not only competing with QR at EDI but EK at GLA in a needlessly fragmented market. These airports have massively overlapping market reach.

Not rubbish as they'll be offering the only ME3 service to Wales and the South West.
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:58 am

skipness1E wrote:
LAXLHR wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Commercial reality finally hitting home?
Let’s see how long Qatar last at CWL.....


People should be rooting for routes like this to survive.

You want me to cheer as if it’s a football team? “Yaaaay go Wales, the plucky taxpayer funded airport!” went the chant.
Marketing analytics is my day job, I’m not meant to be a fan boy. Qatar are in Wales because they got a taxpayer funded advantage to be there. One solitary daily flight competing with 5 QR, 3 EY and 6 EK at LHR. We’ve been here before, I know how this ends. It’s like plucky CO at BRS who left when they realised they could still get access to the same market but by flying ten mins further west, they coild actually fill the front cabin and not give it away on upgrades.

Do you have evidence of a taxpayer funded advantage? And do you not think that Cardiff Airport and Qatar Airways have not done their own analysis?
And god forbid little old Wales could actually be an attractive destination in it's own right and that many of it's own people actually would like to fly from their own country instead of another country!
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:08 am

No you’re missing my point.
CWL, BRS and BHX are all well within the LHR catchment area, hence their ability to attract long haul is constrained. Wales does not exist in a self contained bubble (news to some, I know) but exists in a marketplace with many more frequent and attractive options. You keep thinking this service runs in isolation, it does not.

A once daily CWL-DOH should enjoy a premium to avoid the Heathrow hassle but due to the relative weakness of the market, I suspect discounting will be the norm. Hence when the route is reviewed, the arguement will then be “Why not just increase capacity out of LHR?” releasing the CWL 787 to other markets while keeping enough market share.

But this is Qatar so economics have little to do with the politics.
And not to be pedantic (he lied) but Wales is a Principality, conquered by the Plantaganet English, it was never a country.
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:49 am

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No you’re missing my point.
CWL, BRS and BHX are all well within the LHR catchment area, hence their ability to attract long haul is constrained. Wales does not exist in a self contained bubble (news to some, I know) but exists in a marketplace with many more frequent and attractive options. You keep thinking this service runs in isolation, it does not.

A once daily CWL-DOH should enjoy a premium to avoid the Heathrow hassle but due to the relative weakness of the market, I suspect discounting will be the norm. Hence when the route is reviewed, the arguement will then be “Why not just increase capacity out of LHR?” releasing the CWL 787 to other markets while keeping enough market share.

But this is Qatar so economics have little to do with the politics.
And not to be pedantic (he lied) but Wales is a Principality, conquered by the Plantaganet English, it was never a country.


I can see your looking to wind people up this busy Tuesday morning.

We all know 4 countries make up the United Kingdom..Wales hasn't been a principality for quite some time now.

I don't want to come across as a fan boy here - but there are plenty of people willing to fly from CWL and avoid the drive to LHR. All the fairs have to be is competative with the ones at LHR and the leakage stops.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:02 am

skipness1E wrote:
No you’re missing my point.
CWL, BRS and BHX are all well within the LHR catchment area, hence their ability to attract long haul is constrained. Wales does not exist in a self contained bubble (news to some, I know) but exists in a marketplace with many more frequent and attractive options. You keep thinking this service runs in isolation, it does not.

A once daily CWL-DOH should enjoy a premium to avoid the Heathrow hassle but due to the relative weakness of the market, I suspect discounting will be the norm. Hence when the route is reviewed, the arguement will then be “Why not just increase capacity out of LHR?” releasing the CWL 787 to other markets while keeping enough market share.

But this is Qatar so economics have little to do with the politics.
And not to be pedantic (he lied) but Wales is a Principality, conquered by the Plantaganet English, it was never a country.


Wales IS a country just not a sovereign state which you seem to be confused by my little cherub. ;)
I'd love to know where you get your information from.

That said, whilst CWL is my nearest airport I can't see them sustaining daily flights from QR 3 times a week just maybe, but I can't see them being there for the long term, 1 year max.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:14 am

andz85 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
No you’re missing my point.
CWL, BRS and BHX are all well within the LHR catchment area, hence their ability to attract long haul is constrained. Wales does not exist in a self contained bubble (news to some, I know) but exists in a marketplace with many more frequent and attractive options. You keep thinking this service runs in isolation, it does not.

A once daily CWL-DOH should enjoy a premium to avoid the Heathrow hassle but due to the relative weakness of the market, I suspect discounting will be the norm. Hence when the route is reviewed, the arguement will then be “Why not just increase capacity out of LHR?” releasing the CWL 787 to other markets while keeping enough market share.

But this is Qatar so economics have little to do with the politics.
And not to be pedantic (he lied) but Wales is a Principality, conquered by the Plantaganet English, it was never a country.


Wales IS a country just not a sovereign state which you seem to be confused by my little cherub. ;)
I'd love to know where you get your information from.

That said, whilst CWL is my nearest airport I can't see them sustaining daily flights from QR 3 times a week just maybe, but I can't see them being there for the long term, 1 year max.


3 times a week is probably too little, daily is too much. 5 weekly is probably what's warranted to give enough flexibility.

I'm on the service next month, hoping to make a flat bed out of a row of 3 economy seats!
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:43 am

Cardiff is probably a bit too far for much of the SW, because of the need to loop around for the bridge at Bristol and double back. It's only another 40 mins drive to Heathrow for much greater choice. If travelling by Public transport then Heathrow is much more accessible (either by direct coach or via Reading Rail-Air) Cardiff is more difficult from much of the SW peninsular

ETD also have feed using Flybe from Exeter and Newquay.

I think Bristol could work demand wise (though would be marginal) but Runway and Taxi restrictions would cause problems. I believe TUI now take the B788 in, but a 789 is too big.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:49 am

In amongst the the Cardiff?? debate, are we any closer to confirming if EDI-AUh is actually being pulled?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:52 am

Arion640 wrote:
I don't want to come across as a fan boy here - but there are plenty of people willing to fly from CWL and avoid the drive to LHR. All the fairs have to be is competative with the ones at LHR and the leakage stops.

It's "fares", an not "fairs" #irony.
What you suggest on fares is bang on accurate and unlikely, as they need to charge a premium to make the additional service pay, not drive fares even lower than the multiple A380s out of T4 at LHR.
Economies of scale play a part here, CWL isn't far enough away from LHR in the way that EDI is.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:52 am

DeltaB717 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:

BRS was on the cards years ago. The idea was to open with an A319-100LR and then upgaugue to A332/788, much like BCN and other destinations were opened back in 2010ish. Then Thomson badly bent a 767 in a landing accident there, which highlighted the weather issues BRS experiences, compounded by a short runway. For this reason, BRS was abandoned, but I do not believe CWL to be a substitute - it's a completely different market.


A completely different market? Could you elaborate why you think it's a different market?

I think CWL is certainly the substitute - Qatar over a year ago stated they was looking to fly into the southwest of england/wales market. If Bristol had everything Qatar required facilities wise it would of been Bristol due to the purchasing power and size of the population.


Yeah I also don't see BRS and CWL as 'completely different' markets. There's about an hour's drive from one to the other, perhaps slightly more, which still makes it far easier for Bristol residents to fly out of CWL than out of London.

In addition to the factors others have mentioned, I understand another factor to be that QR wanted an aerobridge which, of course, CWL has and BRS does not.


It comes down to physical geography and the transport network. The location of BRS mean it competes with CWL for traffic in the wider region, but CWL is not in a good position to compete with BRS outside of the immediate South Wales area. This is evidenced by the catchment data both airports provide and ultimately the substantially stronger growth of BRS, despite it's inferior infrastructure. For this reason an airline choosing to serve CWL is assessing it predominantly as an independent market, irrespective of what the CWL PR team are pushing out about access to the South West.

Having a quick look at driving times helps highlight the issue. From Bristol it's about 20 minutes further to BHX and 30 minutes further to LHR, both of which provide significantly more flight options and better public transport links too:

Bristol - CWL = 1h 14m
Bristol - BHX = 1h 34m
Bristol - LHR = 1h 48m

It's going to be tough for this service to survive, but I wish it well.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:06 am

PlymSpotter wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Having a quick look at driving times helps highlight the issue. From Bristol it's about 20 minutes further to BHX and 30 minutes further to LHR, both of which provide significantly more flight options and better public transport links too:

Bristol - CWL = 1h 14m
Bristol - BHX = 1h 34m
Bristol - LHR = 1h 48m

It's going to be tough for this service to survive, but I wish it well.


I lived in Bristol for 6 months. Had to take National Express to get to Heathrow a couple of times. I don't quite remember, but isn't that 1h 48m figure more accurate if you do not consider the congestion that forms quite often as you approach London?
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:13 am

A thread with 47 replies about AUH-EDI and literally over half of the posts are about Cardiff and Qatar Airways.

Meanwhile no closer to finding out if AUH-EDI is staying or going.....
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:27 am

skipness1E wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
I don't want to come across as a fan boy here - but there are plenty of people willing to fly from CWL and avoid the drive to LHR. All the fairs have to be is competative with the ones at LHR and the leakage stops.

It's "fares", an not "fairs" #irony.
What you suggest on fares is bang on accurate and unlikely, as they need to charge a premium to make the additional service pay, not drive fares even lower than the multiple A380s out of T4 at LHR.
Economies of scale play a part here, CWL isn't far enough away from LHR in the way that EDI is.


A simple spelling mistake - I can see how small things amuse you.

Multiple A380's out of T4? It's actually just two a day. I think you may of confused yourself with another gulf airline based across the way in Dubai. The rest they send into LHR are the 777, A350 and 787.

You're forgetting the much lower operating costs into CWL than into LHR, I wouldn't be surprised if they are flying to CWL for free or are even getting some incentive to do so. Just to add, I haven't even compared CWL & QR to EDI for a second.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:29 am

User001 wrote:
A thread with 47 replies about AUH-EDI and literally over half of the posts are about Cardiff and Qatar Airways.

Meanwhile no closer to finding out if AUH-EDI is staying or going.....

Yes...please keep to topic raised ! EDI-AUH still showing and bookable for November on Galileo ...at the moment anyway.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:34 am

Do we have a confirmation for the thread title yet ?? :biting:
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Etihad cancels EDI

Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:42 am

EDI flights are bookable through their website.

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