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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:52 pm

Part of me wonders if this was leaked on purpose to see what the reaction would be. If this was the purpose, I'd be ok with it as long as they're just testing the waters and not actually going with this.
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:59 pm

frigatebird wrote:
I'm totally lost why they have this caricature of a large eyed green elephant next to the PIA title however.


Looks more like the white plumage has blown of the head of a great bald eagle (though a green and doey eyed eagle in this case) and it is desperately trying to hold it in it's beak from getting away!! What in heaven''s name are they doing to the National flag!!
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:08 pm

[quote="cedarjet"]It’s a mess[/quote

I agree. A jumble of images slapped onto a white fuselage with no logic or sense or balance, proportionality, etc. One of the worse I've seen.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:44 pm

KrustyTheKlown wrote:
The flag looks like it's being cut with a scythe


That was my thought too...is it a traditional Pakistani sword or something??
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:55 pm

kjeld0d wrote:
KrustyTheKlown wrote:
The flag looks like it's being cut with a scythe


That was my thought too...is it a traditional Pakistani sword or something??


Nope lol

In case anyone wondered how such a horrendous livery came to exist, this is what happens when you create an open contest to let anyone enter their submission and decide the fate of the new livery. This was not a design by PIA, this was the result of someone's (awful) design being selected by PIA's contest. If PIA had actually taken the time to do it themselves, we might've had something great, but instead, we have this, yet another example of why outsourcing work is always a bad idea.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:03 pm

Captain77W wrote:
The source also mentions that there is a 5% chance that this may not be the final design.


More like a 95% chance this Twitter author is delusional. That's horrid.

neomax wrote:
In case anyone wondered how such a horrendous livery came to exist, this is what happens when you create an open contest to let anyone enter their submission and decide the fate of the new livery. This was not a design by PIA, this was the result of someone's (awful) design being selected by PIA's contest. If PIA had actually taken the time to do it themselves, we might've had something great, but instead, we have this, yet another example of why outsourcing work is always a bad idea.


I suspect that if this is a contest submission, that the submitter is trying to hype their design, and I seriously doubt it's actually been selected. If it ends up being true though, I fully agree with neomax.
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:04 pm

This livery looks stunning! apart from all the white, it looks fantastic!
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:06 pm

Except for the flag the livery itself is really good. It's definitely an improvement over the last one, and it's more colourful. I do hope they apply it to the whole fleet, and at the same time renew those ancient interiors.

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Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:33 pm

I thought April Fools day was over? That proposed design looks atrocious!
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:35 pm

neomax wrote:
kjeld0d wrote:
KrustyTheKlown wrote:
The flag looks like it's being cut with a scythe


That was my thought too...is it a traditional Pakistani sword or something??


Nope lol

In case anyone wondered how such a horrendous livery came to exist, this is what happens when you create an open contest to let anyone enter their submission and decide the fate of the new livery. This was not a design by PIA, this was the result of someone's (awful) design being selected by PIA's contest. If PIA had actually taken the time to do it themselves, we might've had something great, but instead, we have this, yet another example of why outsourcing work is always a bad idea.


One time I used a "crowdsource" logo design company. I received 300 awful, awful logos. A contest is not a good way to choose, asking people who have no design experience to look at a computer rendering and then pick is just asking for trouble. The tools of designing are more available than ever, and the tradition of graphic design is nowhere to be found. Awful, awful, awful.
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:56 pm

Their current livery with the outdated font looks like it’s straight from the 90s. The Pakistani flag and animal on the tail gives a nice sense of motion. As MapleLeaf789 said, this is a very lively livery. I also love the usage of gradients in this livery, and despite the subtle similarities to QR’s, I hope this livery is the final product because it is a stunning and dramatic improvement.
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:27 am

My question is... Why is everyone bashing this Livery?

It looks stunning and so much can be done in the terms of a “special livery”!!

I’m excited to see this become a reality
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:44 am

Did no one stop to think that during boarding, especially on the narrowbodies where you board through the L1 door, the open door creates a huge "hole" right in the middle of the flag?
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:54 am

Here is a link to a Pakistan Forum dedicated to PIA. This provides a brief background to the competition for the new branding. Looks like the Markhor is here to stay.

http://www.historyofpia.com/forums/view ... =1&t=25980
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:30 am

TWA772LR wrote:
I kinda like it, kinda. It seems very QR to me.
Captain77W wrote:
Apparently the animal on the tail is called a Markhor and is the national animal of the nation

I actually like the PIA tail you have as your avatar.

Thanks! It was a part of a concept livery I created for the PIA livery Competition
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:52 am

Captain77W wrote:
https://twitter.com/hkaviator/status/981510644863090688?s=21

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According to this tweet , this is the new livery of Pakistan International Airlines , which is expected to be revealed by the end of this month.

Note:The source also mentions that there is a 5% chance that this may not be the final design.

So what do the People of this forum think ? Is it any good or does it add another horrible design into the era of bad liveries we are currently experiencing ?


Better than LH. Dislike the flag, looks tacky!
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:02 am

Balloonchaser wrote:
My question is... Why is everyone bashing this Livery?

Because some people are apparently never happy unless they're complaining.

We hear whining all day long about all-white lookalike tail-centric liveries; so we get something that (oddball though it may be) is different and stands out.... and people cry foul.

Cray.
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:28 am

It looks like the design agency said “here, you 3 designers work on the front, and you 3 designers work on the back...then will take the one we like the best from each and put them on the plane” and pray for an holistic design.
I do not have an issue re: QATAR, the execution of the “goat” is different enough. I’m glad it’s not a: flag, bird or flying thing, globe or name on the tail.
It is a total un-integrated mess however. Lacks a single minded idea that PIA stands for.
As a brand designer myself, if I had been awarded a project such as a redesign of PIA I would be ecstatic. What a rich, and historical culture to mine for ideas and design...such a wealth of inspiration to draw from. I prefer the old giant helvetica PIA livery.
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:17 am

I like the tail, but I think it would look better if adapted to the current green base. The forward fuselage is an absolute mess. The graphics look forced and the "PIA" font is awful. Frankly, I think their current livery is just fine.
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:20 am

The flag needs a fix. The wind blows from the nose to the tail not from the back.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:35 am

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Thanks! It was a part of a concept livery I created for the PIA livery Competition
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Very smart. A contemporary interpretation of classic.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:42 am

Captain77W wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
I kinda like it, kinda. It seems very QR to me.
Captain77W wrote:
Apparently the animal on the tail is called a Markhor and is the national animal of the nation

I actually like the PIA tail you have as your avatar.

Thanks! It was a part of a concept livery I created for the PIA livery Competition
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Love that design. Send it to them ! Unreal that they pay someone to come up with rubbish when often we see liveries on here posted by members 100 times better.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:32 am

Mumrik wrote:
I thought this was the new livery they introduced in October last year.

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Yep... my thought too.
What's wrong with this livery BTW?
So classy, why change it?
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:38 am

Captain77W wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
I kinda like it, kinda. It seems very QR to me.
Captain77W wrote:
Apparently the animal on the tail is called a Markhor and is the national animal of the nation

I actually like the PIA tail you have as your avatar.

Thanks! It was a part of a concept livery I created for the PIA livery Competition
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Did you mean changing the airline name and color pattern on Eva Air livery?
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:56 am

Captain77W wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
I kinda like it, kinda. It seems very QR to me.
Captain77W wrote:
Apparently the animal on the tail is called a Markhor and is the national animal of the nation

I actually like the PIA tail you have as your avatar.

Thanks! It was a part of a concept livery I created for the PIA livery Competition
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Replace the PIA on the tail and fill it in all green. Then put that deer thing from the other livery on yours. Add PIA somewhere on the fuselage and boom: you have yourself a winner imo.

The one thing I like about the rumored PIA new livery is the animal on the tail, if it were on a dark green background that matched the green on the flag.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:30 pm

NeBaNi wrote:
Did no one stop to think that during boarding, especially on the narrowbodies where you board through the L1 door, the open door creates a huge "hole" right in the middle of the flag?


They probably did think about it, but then realised that it wasn't actually worth worrying about. In many instances the passengers will walk through an aerobridge that will largely cover the side of the fuselage anyway. What's important is what it looks like with the door closed, when it flies.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:03 pm

VC10er wrote:
It looks like the design agency said “here, you 3 designers work on the front, and you 3 designers work on the back...then will take the one we like the best from each and put them on the plane” and pray for an holistic design.
I do not have an issue re: QATAR, the execution of the “goat” is different enough. I’m glad it’s not a: flag, bird or flying thing, globe or name on the tail.
It is a total un-integrated mess however. Lacks a single minded idea that PIA stands for.
As a brand designer myself, if I had been awarded a project such as a redesign of PIA I would be ecstatic. What a rich, and historical culture to mine for ideas and design...such a wealth of inspiration to draw from. I prefer the old giant helvetica PIA livery.



I totally agree!

But calling QR's logo a "goat" is like saying the American Bald Eagle is a chicken. lol Its the mightly Arabian Oryx.
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:58 pm

Let me put it this way,as simple as possible: You have three separate elements in a row that do not blend. One-two-three splashes. If you want all three, then you must arrange them in a different way. Let's go to the tail now: Sorry,this is Tunis Air not even Qatar. What else can I say, what is the point? And yet,there is something more: Now I begin to understand Lufthansa better: Theirs is such a classic,that only a minimalist approach makes sense!
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:00 pm

Groover158 wrote:
NeBaNi wrote:
Did no one stop to think that during boarding, especially on the narrowbodies where you board through the L1 door, the open door creates a huge "hole" right in the middle of the flag?


They probably did think about it, but then realised that it wasn't actually worth worrying about. In many instances the passengers will walk through an aerobridge that will largely cover the side of the fuselage anyway. What's important is what it looks like with the door closed, when it flies.

But that's the point. In many instances, I'd argue that passengers do not do aerobridge boarding, certainly, in many of PIA's (regional) destinations, there is only ramp boarding. Imagine walking across a ramp and seeing the flag with a hole on it.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:11 pm

Yes, too many elements all thrown onto the plane body. Love the Islamic script but not the flag or the PIA...the tail art is ok but needs to be tweaked bit more. Has potential.

Put a simplified version of the gazelle animal shape over the entire body and put the Islamic script on the tail on one side and PIA on the other.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:19 pm

OA260 wrote:
If this does turn out to be the livery what a shame. They should go back to the 1980 livery with a modern facelift.


This was one of the entries in the contest and is closest to what you have suggested.

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Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:42 pm

The tail is great. I also like the PIA font and the Arabic lettering next to it. Wish the engine cowlings were a little more colorful, but they are okayish.

I agree the fail is the flag. It does not look like a flag. To me it looks like part of the head of a bird, or part of the body of a whale.
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:26 pm

I will give you an idea: do you remember the old livery of SAA South African Airways? It worked very well on their 747s. You can use similar arrow lines around the cockpit windows in green instead of blue, have the crescent and star near the front door and put the gold artwork on the radome. And leave the rest as it is.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:40 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Balloonchaser wrote:
My question is... Why is everyone bashing this Livery?

Because some people are apparently never happy unless they're complaining.

We hear whining all day long [FROM SOME PEOPLE] about all-white lookalike tail-centric liveries; so we get something that (oddball though it may be) is different and stands out.... and [OTHER PEOPLE] people cry foul.

Cray.


Fixed that for you. This forum is made up of many hundreds of individuals who all have different artistic tastes. Some like more standard liveries, others like more unique ones.

I, personally, hate this livery, but I don't think that anybody who likes it is empirically "wrong" or anything, they just happen to have different tastes than I do. This is what discussion forums are for- stating your opinion and explaining why you hold it.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:53 pm

N415XJ wrote:
Fixed that for you. This forum is made up of many hundreds of individuals who all have different artistic tastes. Some like more standard liveries, others like more unique ones.

I, personally, hate this livery, but I don't think that anybody who likes it is empirically "wrong" or anything, they just happen to have different tastes than I do. This is what discussion forums are for- stating your opinion and explaining why you hold it.


I recommend you to don't waste your time replying the (probably) most obnoxious member here (i've seen this description here too, and it fits so well).
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:17 pm

Too messy for me. The Markhor on the tail and engines looks OK, but the flag is applied in a clumsy way. I don't like the 'PIA' font either, this will look outdated rather quickly.

There are too many elements screaming for attention: the flag, the letters 'PIA', the Arabic script, and the markhor.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:22 pm

artofzen wrote:
OA260 wrote:
If this does turn out to be the livery what a shame. They should go back to the 1980 livery with a modern facelift.


This was one of the entries in the contest and is closest to what you have suggested.

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I really like this. Classic and modern at the same time. Well done.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:55 pm

Phew! A senior engineer at PIA has denied that this is the official livery , it will be a eurowhite with stickers on the tail
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:34 pm

The "secret leak" design strikes me as an amateurish Photoshop mashup... esp. the elephant tusk below the cockpit window. I can believe it was a "contest submission"... but not a "contest winner". Rule 1 of graphic design for corporate identity: clarity of symbols, unambiguous association with corporate vision.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:17 pm

Captain77W wrote:
Phew! A senior engineer at PIA has denied that this is the official livery , it will be a eurowhite with stickers on the tail


Thank goodness!!!!
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:10 am

[twoid][/twoid]
neomax wrote:
Captain77W wrote:
Phew! A senior engineer at PIA has denied that this is the official livery , it will be a eurowhite with stickers on the tail


Thank goodness!!!!

Unfortunately that was not true
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:29 am

Captain77W wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
neomax wrote:
Captain77W wrote:
Phew! A senior engineer at PIA has denied that this is the official livery , it will be a eurowhite with stickers on the tail


Thank goodness!!!!

Unfortunately that was not true


Damn it, that suuucks
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:17 pm

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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:54 pm

Flightsimboy wrote:


It looks ok, yet the flag is strange, like others point out. A stylised flag covering the tail, with the markhor across the rear of the fuselage (a la NZ or TK) would be better. This would also reduce the impact of yet more infuriating eurowhite.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:59 pm

Balloonchaser wrote:
My question is... Why is everyone bashing this Livery?

Because this is a.net, and this is what they do . . .

Add another like! Love the rendition of the flag. :checkmark:
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:01 pm

Man, this thing was hyped into oblivion and then crashed and burned in spectacular fashion. I can't remember the last time a rumor was so bang on that it was...correct! I mean they literally used the exact picture that was leaked!
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:20 pm

Captain77W wrote:
... Is it any good or does it add another horrible design into the era of bad liveries we are currently experiencing ?

Could you please explain what "era of bad liveries" you are referring to? What is an "era of bad liveries"? Who decides that we are currently experiencing an "era of bad liveries"? Are there any facts to back this up?
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:08 pm

Wow, too busy and does not look visually cohesive, plus a copy of Qatar Airways. Bring back the classic look from late 80s with an elegant twist.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:13 pm

You like this flag? A flag should be billowing high and proud,not to mention the other way around! It looks as if a magic carpet bows to let you step on it. Tasteless like servile flattery.
 
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Re: The New Livery of PIA gets leaked

Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:41 pm

I'm surprised that no one has discussed the fact that they released a (ridiculous) video on facebook featuring the new livery on an A380. https://www.facebook.com/PakistanIntAirlines/videos/2027722623923419/

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Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos